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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I would cycle off DAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    hmm let's see this is the 10th..

    whatdya think, another 3-4 days before the majority of those resolution ppl have had enuff resoluting?

    I think it has already started to thin out. Normally pretty close to completely normal by the beginning of February.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I think it has already started to thin out. Normally pretty close to completely normal by the beginning of February.
    Yah way less folks this morning...
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    Matt and Snags, I agree, I started up the Massularia today, it should be a fun ride from all of the logs and feedback. Something to stimulate the LH from another angle can't hurt. Also adding in Glycobol.

    Okay here are yesterdays eats I only went to 2400 because it was an Arm Day not a large body part so no need for hyper caloric intake.

    Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
    Fast Breaker
    Barilla - Whole Grain Thin Spaghetti (Cooked), 1.4 oz 140 29g 1g 5g 0mg 7mg 1g 4g
    Starkist - Tuna Chunk Light In Water 113 g, 339 g 300 0g 3g 60g 150mg 1,080mg 0g 0g
    Emerald - Cocoa Roast Almonds (Per Nut Serving), 1 oz. (23 almonds) 150 6g 13g 6g 0mg 25mg 1g 3g
    Dinner
    Turkey Chili - 93/7% Lean, 16 oz 336 26g 10g 32g 64mg 300mg 0g 8g
    Rice - White, long-grain, regular, cooked, 2 cup 411 89g 1g 9g 0mg 3mg 0g 1g
    San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 3 Scoop 330 2g 0g 81g 0mg 150mg 0g 0g
    Snacks
    Trunutrition Sciences - Trutein - Banana Cream, 2.5 Scoop (34g) 300 13g 3g 63g 50mg 250mg 3g 6g
    Emerald - Cocao Roast Almonds, 0.5 oz. 75 3g 7g 3g 0mg 13mg 1g 2g
    Quaker Oats - Old Fashioned Oatmeal - Dry, 0.5 cup 150 27g 3g 5g 0mg 0mg 1g 4g
    Finaflex - Cell Shock Recovery Drink, 2 scoops 200 50g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 15g 0g
    TOTAL: 2,392 245g 41g 264g 264mg 1,828mg 22g 28g

    This was last nights lift, it went really well. Rest periods were 1 minute and then 30 seconds for the FST-7 sets

    Close Grip Bench Press - 135x15, 185x12, 205x11, 205x8 - was very happy to get up over 200 with no pain in the shoulder at all!
    Dips w/ 27.5 lb DB between legs - 12, 12, 9 - Nice I was shocked by the contraction in my triceps with these the CGP had really pushed then and this had them burning.

    FST-7 Overhead Cable Extensions
    - 90x12, 110x12, 120x12, 120x12, 120x10, 120x8, 110x9 - talk about feel the burn
    FST-7 Skull Crushers - 85x9, 75x10, 65x8, 55x11, 55x7, 45x10, 45x8 Holy Bat Crap these were beastly and my triceps were so pumped they ached!

    Seated Alternate DB Curl - 20x12, 42.5x10, 42.5x6, 32.5x6
    EZ Bar Curls - 80x12, 80x8, 75x7

    FST-7 Preacher Curl Machine - 90x6, 70x8, 65x7, 55x8, 50x7, 45x8, 35x11 - My biceps were screaming at me after this. Since I dont do a ton of biceps work this volume was brutal for me.

    My arms were so full and swollen they looked like they were 18 inchers... I can't tell you that doing this workout is really going to agree with my physique and bring up my arms.

    Okay on to today's work out! It was a beast! This extra volume is really taking a toll on me but I know my body will respond to it VERY WELL!

    Leg Ext - 150x15, 190x15, 230x11, 230x6 - obviously trying to really work the quads hard and it worked I couldn't even reach 8 on the last set of these. On to squats... WHY????
    Squats - 225x12, 275x11, 275x10, 275x10 man the leg extensions really took a lot out of me, these were a bitch!
    Leg Press Feet Close together and low on platform - 540x15, 720x12, 860x8 - Man the last rep on this was KILLER!

    FST-7 Leg Extensions
    150x15, 130x10, 110x9, 90x10, 90x9, 90x9, 90x8 - Holy Mother Of God! The burn was ridiculous, I thought it was going to set off the sprinkler system!

    Up Position Lying Leg Curls - 65x15, 85x15, 95x6 - Hamstrings were pretty toasty from the squats so not surprised that they gave out here.
    Stiff Leg Dead lifts - 225x12 x 3 sets

    I ran out of time and couldn't do my FST-7 sets on Hamstrings... Although the squats really push my hamstrings harder than my quads so they were burning during squatting. I don't think they got short changed by not being able to do the FST-7 but may have to remove an exercise next time to get them in there.
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    Bro! I mean really. That is a whole lotta volume brotha. Our workouts are looking pretty similar at the moment. I do leg extensions all the time before squats for the warmup but I got legs today and have decided to hit up squats first for a change then use FST-7 to burn em out at the end. Just have to see how it goes. GOOD NUMBERS. For an old guy... Ha just messing
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Bro! I mean really. That is a whole lotta volume brotha. Our workouts are looking pretty similar at the moment. I do leg extensions all the time before squats for the warmup but I got legs today and have decided to hit up squats first for a change then use FST-7 to burn em out at the end. Just have to see how it goes. GOOD NUMBERS. For an old guy... Ha just messing
    LMAO, good to hear from a young buck.
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    How long are your sessions lasting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    GOOD NUMBERS. For an old guy...
    i laffed




    (until i remembered, i'm older than kleen)
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    Hey kleen hope you don't mind but I stole your leg workout. Thanks for that
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    No one and I mean no one does a log like this beast! Wicked updates all the time and love the lay outs! Kleen for Pres!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Matt and Snags, I agree, I started up the Massularia today, it should be a fun ride from all of the logs and feedback. Something to stimulate the LH from another angle can't hurt. Also adding in Glycobol.

    Okay here are yesterdays eats I only went to 2400 because it was an Arm Day not a large body part so no need for hyper caloric intake.

    Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
    Fast Breaker
    Barilla - Whole Grain Thin Spaghetti (Cooked), 1.4 oz 140 29g 1g 5g 0mg 7mg 1g 4g
    Starkist - Tuna Chunk Light In Water 113 g, 339 g 300 0g 3g 60g 150mg 1,080mg 0g 0g
    Emerald - Cocoa Roast Almonds (Per Nut Serving), 1 oz. (23 almonds) 150 6g 13g 6g 0mg 25mg 1g 3g
    Dinner
    Turkey Chili - 93/7% Lean, 16 oz 336 26g 10g 32g 64mg 300mg 0g 8g
    Rice - White, long-grain, regular, cooked, 2 cup 411 89g 1g 9g 0mg 3mg 0g 1g
    San - Platinum Isolate Supreme - All Flavors, 3 Scoop 330 2g 0g 81g 0mg 150mg 0g 0g
    Snacks
    Trunutrition Sciences - Trutein - Banana Cream, 2.5 Scoop (34g) 300 13g 3g 63g 50mg 250mg 3g 6g
    Emerald - Cocao Roast Almonds, 0.5 oz. 75 3g 7g 3g 0mg 13mg 1g 2g
    Quaker Oats - Old Fashioned Oatmeal - Dry, 0.5 cup 150 27g 3g 5g 0mg 0mg 1g 4g
    Finaflex - Cell Shock Recovery Drink, 2 scoops 200 50g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 15g 0g
    TOTAL: 2,392 245g 41g 264g 264mg 1,828mg 22g 28g

    This was last nights lift, it went really well. Rest periods were 1 minute and then 30 seconds for the FST-7 sets

    Close Grip Bench Press - 135x15, 185x12, 205x11, 205x8 - was very happy to get up over 200 with no pain in the shoulder at all!
    Dips w/ 27.5 lb DB between legs - 12, 12, 9 - Nice I was shocked by the contraction in my triceps with these the CGP had really pushed then and this had them burning.

    FST-7 Overhead Cable Extensions
    - 90x12, 110x12, 120x12, 120x12, 120x10, 120x8, 110x9 - talk about feel the burn
    FST-7 Skull Crushers - 85x9, 75x10, 65x8, 55x11, 55x7, 45x10, 45x8 Holy Bat Crap these were beastly and my triceps were so pumped they ached!

    Seated Alternate DB Curl - 20x12, 42.5x10, 42.5x6, 32.5x6
    EZ Bar Curls - 80x12, 80x8, 75x7

    FST-7 Preacher Curl Machine - 90x6, 70x8, 65x7, 55x8, 50x7, 45x8, 35x11 - My biceps were screaming at me after this. Since I dont do a ton of biceps work this volume was brutal for me.

    My arms were so full and swollen they looked like they were 18 inchers... I can't tell you that doing this workout is really going to agree with my physique and bring up my arms.

    Okay on to today's work out! It was a beast! This extra volume is really taking a toll on me but I know my body will respond to it VERY WELL!

    Leg Ext - 150x15, 190x15, 230x11, 230x6 - obviously trying to really work the quads hard and it worked I couldn't even reach 8 on the last set of these. On to squats... WHY????
    Squats - 225x12, 275x11, 275x10, 275x10 man the leg extensions really took a lot out of me, these were a bitch!
    Leg Press Feet Close together and low on platform - 540x15, 720x12, 860x8 - Man the last rep on this was KILLER!

    FST-7 Leg Extensions
    150x15, 130x10, 110x9, 90x10, 90x9, 90x9, 90x8 - Holy Mother Of God! The burn was ridiculous, I thought it was going to set off the sprinkler system!

    Up Position Lying Leg Curls - 65x15, 85x15, 95x6 - Hamstrings were pretty toasty from the squats so not surprised that they gave out here.
    Stiff Leg Dead lifts - 225x12 x 3 sets

    I ran out of time and couldn't do my FST-7 sets on Hamstrings... Although the squats really push my hamstrings harder than my quads so they were burning during squatting. I don't think they got short changed by not being able to do the FST-7 but may have to remove an exercise next time to get them in there.
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    Okay so here is todays update, I kept everything moderate yesterday regarding food during the day because I had a dinner date then went to the theater to watch a dance company perform. For dinner I had a 12 Oz NY Strip, grilled asparagus and a little spaghetti with meat sauce. I would estimate my totals for the day were about 260 protein, 70 fats and 220 carbs. I can't really put up a detailed printout of that because I don't know exactly what I had. Today will be similar since we are taking the family to eat dinner then going to the monster truck rally.

    Todays lift was Chest and Triceps, going into it my arms were still a bit sore from the other day but I pushed hard anyway and got the thang done.


    Life Fitness Chest Press - 155x12, 185x12, 190x9, 185x6 - this machine is awesome although it feels much heavier than doing the same weight with a barbell. Part of what I like about it...
    Flat DB Flies - 25x12, 30x12, 30x12
    Decline Hammer Strength weight only and per side- 55x12, 70x15, 90x12, 100x12 - this one felt good and no issues!
    Was time for crossovers or flies but due to NY Resolutioners all the machines were full. To keep the pump I did 3 sets of push ups with 30 seconds rest between them
    Push Ups - 15, 12, 11
    FST-7 Free Motion Cable Crossover - 40x15, 50x15, 70x12, 70x12, 70x7, 50x11, 50x12

    Close Grip Bench - 155x13, 175x10, 165x6, 145x9
    Dips 12, 11, 9
    FST-7 Overhead Cable Triceps Extension - 100x12, 110x12, 110x12, 110x12, 110x12, 110x10, 110x12
    FST-7 Reverse Grip Cable Triceps Extensions - 80x12, 80x11, 70x12, 70x12, 70x12, 70x10, 70x11

    I can tell you my triceps are tore up at this point since they are already tired.

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    How long are your sessions lasting?
    Right about 60 minutes sometime a little over sometimes a little under but they are fast paced like no more than 1 minutes rest.
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    Hey kleen hope you don't mind but I stole your leg workout. Thanks for that
    Knock yourself out my legs are toast from it!
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    No one and I mean no one does a log like this beast! Wicked updates all the time and love the lay outs! Kleen for Pres!
    Thank you Sir!
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    Your unreal Kleen just smashing. Everything I read your log and DW log just make me want march to come soon so I can join the 1-alpha gang.
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    Awesome update brother. We go to the rally every year for my sons bday and we were going to go today but decided on next Saturday instead. Lemme know how it was!

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    Thanks Guys it was great last night. I will be going to the gym later this afternoon. I will also post of a video of Grave Digger doing an end over end in the freestyle round was pretty cool. Was the first monster truck show I have been to... Kids loved it too.
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    As long as you stay away from all the guys in cutoff tshirts dipping skoal and wearing trucker hats its a great time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    As long as you stay away from all the guys in cutoff tshirts dipping skoal and wearing trucker hats its a great time
    Precisely!
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    I didn't end up lifting today decided to have a movie day with the wife. Kept carbs extremely low today and calories under 2000.

    FOODS Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
    Morning Fasting
    Ihop - Big Steak Omelete No Hashbrowns No Pancakes, 0.5 omelete 383 1g 31g 26g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
    Eggs - Scrambled (Egg White) , 3 Large egg white 51 1g 0g 11g 0mg 165mg 0g 0g
    Egg - Large , 1 egg (53g) 70 1g 5g 6g 195mg 65mg 0g 0g
    Oscar Mayer - Turkey Bacon (50% Less Fat), 3 slice 105 0g 9g 6g 45mg 540mg 0g 0g
    Jennie-O - Turkey Breakfast Sausage Links, 0.5 Links (56g/2oz) 23 0g 1g 3g 12mg 93mg 0g 0g
    Dinner
    Generic - Top Sirloin Steak, 24 oz 1,266 0g 42g 204g 606mg 450mg 0g 0g
    TOTAL: 1,898 3g 88g 256g 858mg 1,313mg 0g 0g
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    Yah if you alter the schedule like that, sometime during the week the diet should reflect that. It's always a trade off. If I decide to have a rest day instead of doing some extra cardio that effects my total for the week.
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    Yeah when I set it up I didn't take into account that sometimes on a weekend you just want a whole day where you don't HAVE to do anything. So Sunday is going to be that day. I kept pretty much the same pattern just moved days around a little so now it will look more like this.

    Monday - AM Arms - PM Cardio or GPP
    Tuesday - Legs
    Wednesday - AM Chest & Triceps - PM Cardio or GPP
    Thurs - Cardio Only
    Friday - Back and Calves
    Saturday - Shoulders and Biceps

    I may do cardio at other times also but for sure I am going to hold myself to at least 3 cardio sessions a week. I was up to 219 this morning I don't look any worse so I think it is just a bit of muscle responding to being trained hard again after the almost a month of light to non-existent workouts.

    This morning I had a great arm workout. I did an extra 5 minutes warm up on the elliptical so I got 10 minutes and 150 calories out of that. Then I matched or beat almost every lift from my last arm workout. I don't have the exact numbers here with me but I did quiter a bit more on my Cable Over Head Triceps Extensions during my FST Sets, also improved on my Weighted Dips by 20 lbs. Seated DB Curls I got a couple more reps at the 42.5 and went heavier on EZ Bar Curls as well as getting more reps.
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    I guess u like the FST-7 huh? I had an amazing pump this morning after FST-7 straight arm lat pulldowns. Walked outside and the wind almost knocked me over with the wings being puffed out :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I guess u like the FST-7 huh? I had an amazing pump this morning after FST-7 straight arm lat pulldowns. Walked outside and the wind almost knocked me over with the wings being puffed out :P
    I do like it, it is quite a bit more volume than I am used to. I typically only lift 3 days a week so getting used to 5 is hard when you want to add in cardio. I may still change it to 4 days a week if I can come up with a nice split that works arms twice a week but the workouts are already almost too long for my morning workouts. Yeah the pump is ridiculous. I go to a different gym for my back workouts specifically because I want to do the Cybex Pullovers as my FST sets. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I do like it, it is quite a bit more volume than I am used to. I typically only lift 3 days a week so getting used to 5 is hard when you want to add in cardio. I may still change it to 4 days a week if I can come up with a nice split that works arms twice a week but the workouts are already almost too long for my morning workouts. Yeah the pump is ridiculous. I go to a different gym for my back workouts specifically because I want to do the Cybex Pullovers as my FST sets. LOL
    I looked at i t Chirs and it's a good concept but here is what I would do iwth it, keep your 3 days but add the 7 sets for lagginng body parts. I was going to start doing this but forgot. Even if you work full body just schedule 3 body parts per week to do at the end of your workout. I think my alterations will be pretty solid. Just apply the basic concept to your own lifting style.
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    Yeah I have thought of doing something like that too but I am going to give this a few full weeks of hitting it. I really do like the singular work and if I were not trying to hit arms twice a week it would be different. However I am really trying to bring them up without going to crazy heavy. So this is what I am trying I think it is working well just an adjustment. Once I know how well it works as is I can modify it or just take the FST-7 sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmftisftw View Post
    still killing it up in here i see!!
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    Kleen have you thought of dropping dips for a while to see how that effects your shoulder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I have thought of doing something like that too but I am going to give this a few full weeks of hitting it. I really do like the singular work and if I were not trying to hit arms twice a week it would be different. However I am really trying to bring them up without going to crazy heavy. So this is what I am trying I think it is working well just an adjustment. Once I know how well it works as is I can modify it or just take the FST-7 sets.
    I am not a big advocate of hitting arms twice a week either, which is another reason I didn't really bond with this protocol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calebsmitty View Post
    Kleen have you thought of dropping dips for a while to see how that effects your shoulder?
    No, it is not an issue with the rotator cuff dips don't have any effect on it. I only go to 90 degrees or just under now though after learning that going much deeper is not good on the rotator cuff. The only things that have any effect are incline bench and shoulder press if I put my elbows too far back and now even that is minimal. I did choose to not do the inclines on my last chest workout and go with a few different exercises. Doc thinks I just roughed up a spot of cartilage on my posterior labrum, but that it will heal on it's own with use of an Anti-Inflammatory and avoiding the things that cause me discomfort when I do them. I think with in another few weeks I will be right as rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post

    No, it is not an issue with the rotator cuff dips don't have any effect on it. I only go to 90 degrees or just under now though after learning that going much deeper is not good on the rotator cuff. The only things that have any effect are incline bench and shoulder press if I put my elbows too far back and now even that is minimal. I did choose to not do the inclines on my last chest workout and go with a few different exercises. Doc thinks I just roughed up a spot of cartilage on my posterior labrum, but that it will heal on it's own with use of an Anti-Inflammatory and avoiding the things that cause me discomfort when I do them. I think with in another few weeks I will be right as rain.
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    I started doing all bench press movements with tucked elbows and relatively narrow grip. This has taken alot of stress off my shoulders. Havn't had any problems once I did that.

    Just recently since I have added volume my left shoulder has started to go numb toward the end of my chest training, very annoying, I'm assuming it is due to swelling from the pump.
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    I did not lift today since I I am going to the Rockets and Clippers game tonight with Oufinny. No need for me to get up at 3:50 when I will be up late and have a couple beers tonight. I also decided to go ahead and revamp my workout program to a 4 days plit but still basing it off of FST-7 and also getting in 2 triceps and biceps workouts a week for a little while.

    Here is what it looks like as of right now. Some of the days may be switched around but I think it is a decent lay out. I took advantage of the pump and work I would get from chest and back and just did an FST-7 set for the biceps with back and triceps with chest.

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    So I was talking to Snags and we decided I was going to go to a 5-6 meal a day plan again for a while to see how well my body responds, plus it will increase my eating discipline. I will stick to it for the next several months all the way up to my show just to make sure I have maximum muscle and minimum fat. Should be an interesting ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So I was talking to Snags and we decided I was going to go to a 5-6 meal a day plan again for a while to see how well my body responds, plus it will increase my eating discipline. I will stick to it for the next several months all the way up to my show just to make sure I have maximum muscle and minimum fat. Should be an interesting ride.
    I gotta say, from my experience 5+ meals a day keeps my energy level up thru the whole day rather than feeling groggy and lethargic after big meals. I sleep better, I have better sex, I think better... etc. Kill it Kleen! Don't try to fix what ain't broke
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    I gotta say, from my experience 5+ meals a day keeps my energy level up thru the whole day rather than feeling groggy and lethargic after big meals. I sleep better, I have better sex, I think better... etc. Kill it Kleen! Don't try to fix what ain't broke
    Fasting does not make one lethargic unless they have a very fast metabolism. I have more energy fasted than at any other time. It's eating that makes me sleepy which is natural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So I was talking to Snags and we decided I was going to go to a 5-6 meal a day plan again for a while to see how well my body responds, plus it will increase my eating discipline. I will stick to it for the next several months all the way up to my show just to make sure I have maximum muscle and minimum fat. Should be an interesting ride.
    If discipline is a problem then maybe the conventional method may be what you need who knows. I am the opposite my discipline is tough when I have to eat a small meal, it just pisses me off to no end. I have been able to do it during shorter periods like contest prep but it's really unpleasant for me.
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    I have adopted fasting and I love it. My only problem is consuming enough calories but its not like I have a wasting problem. I don't count calories or generally worry about it. If I feel sluggish and tired I need to eat. If I feel good I'm fine. If I look bloated or fat I know I need to reduce, if I look skinny or small I need to increase. This will change some as I move to clean some things up and drop some BF. But I'm not competing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calebsmitty View Post
    I have adopted fasting and I love it. My only problem is consuming enough calories but its not like I have a wasting problem. I don't count calories or generally worry about it. If I feel sluggish and tired I need to eat. If I feel good I'm fine. If I look bloated or fat I know I need to reduce, if I look skinny or small I need to increase. This will change some as I move to clean some things up and drop some BF. But I'm not competing.
    You get better at gorging, you'd be surprised but there are times when you actually have to do some force feeding...
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    you all know how i feel about fasting, for the true bb'er who is after continued musculature gains
    LG/IF great - if it suits your lifestyle, and if you just wanna be lean
    you are not gonna add massive amounts of muscle on it tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    you all know how i feel about fasting, for the true bb'er who is after continued musculature gains
    LG/IF great - if it suits your lifestyle, and if you just wanna be lean
    you are not gonna add massive amounts of muscle on it tho
    just ain't gonna happen
    I agree. You definately need continued feeding to gain large amounts of muscle. I am not looking at it as a bodybuilder. And frequent feedings do not suit my schedule as a teacher/coach. For me IF and carbloading allows me more flexibility especially on long work days and travel.
  

  
 

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