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    FYI - I'm still putting together some pulse cycle guidelines for havoc that will be put in this write-up shortly. I also have a few more Q&A's to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I'd like to hear any questions or success stories that you all have had with havoc. Post them up!!!

    Did A Havoc Cycle last month
    Pos:
    Gained 8 lean lbs.
    Strength went up
    Energy was amazing
    1/2in added to arms
    1in added to legs
    1/2 added to waist
    Chest filled out with shoulders

    Neg.
    Mild Back pumps
    Tired until middle of 2nd week

    Great product
    Ran cycle at
    20/30/40/40
    Strength started kicking in at 30 size and weight gains at 40!

    Thanks RPN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by striking View Post
    Did A Havoc Cycle last month
    Pos:
    Gained 8 lean lbs.
    Strength went up
    Energy was amazing
    1/2in added to arms
    1in added to legs
    1/2 added to waist
    Chest filled out with shoulders

    Neg.
    Mild Back pumps
    Tired until middle of 2nd week

    Great product
    Ran cycle at
    20/30/40/40
    Strength started kicking in at 30 size and weight gains at 40!

    Thanks RPN!
    Great to hear that you had some very nice results!

    Thank you for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striking View Post
    Did A Havoc Cycle last month
    Pos:
    Gained 8 lean lbs.
    Strength went up
    Energy was amazing
    1/2in added to arms
    1in added to legs
    1/2 added to waist
    Chest filled out with shoulders

    Neg.
    Mild Back pumps
    Tired until middle of 2nd week

    Great product
    Ran cycle at
    20/30/40/40
    Strength started kicking in at 30 size and weight gains at 40!

    Thanks RPN!
    Congrats!
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    I really don't understand if a SERM is so strongly emphasized then why use a pro-hormone other than being currently non-restricted.
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    I am not against using it but don't understand the hesitation to using gear if SERM if needed anyway to do it right. I am convinced from what I read it is a good product otherwise. Please explaing the pro's as I am open minded to trying it.
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    Sorry, but... Havoc and Epistane... are the same?

    Which would you use?

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I'd like to hear any questions or success stories that you all have had with havoc. Post them up!!!
    I dont have a high post count on here so my input may not be as valuable to some but I have been lurking and reading up for the last few months on here and a year or two on PM.

    Anyways after stumbling across this website and seeing how much people swore by this product I decided to try it. The was the first "cycle" I had done in two years and in that time the only supps I had used were multi's, other vitamins, and TP's Whey Isolate Cold Filtration.

    Now onto the good stuff. I did a 20/20/30/30/40 split for 5 weeks total and during that time I put on a fairly LEAN 22lbs. I was absolutly amazed at what this product did especially because I noticed much more and leaner gains on this than I did with enan/eq 2 years prior.

    I have 2 more bottles of this stuff sitting at home and I plan to do a cycle over the winter and another at the beggining of summer next year and I am completly exicted about doing so.

    RPN has an awesome product in HAVOC and hopefully this stuff will be on shelves for a long time to come (and if it wont, let me know so I can stock up )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangepeel View Post
    I dont have a high post count on here so my input may not be as valuable to some but I have been lurking and reading up for the last few months on here and a year or two on PM.

    Anyways after stumbling across this website and seeing how much people swore by this product I decided to try it. The was the first "cycle" I had done in two years and in that time the only supps I had used were multi's, other vitamins, and TP's Whey Isolate Cold Filtration.

    Now onto the good stuff. I did a 20/20/30/30/40 split for 5 weeks total and during that time I put on a fairly LEAN 22lbs. I was absolutly amazed at what this product did especially because I noticed much more and leaner gains on this than I did with enan/eq 2 years prior.

    I have 2 more bottles of this stuff sitting at home and I plan to do a cycle over the winter and another at the beggining of summer next year and I am completly exicted about doing so.

    RPN has an awesome product in HAVOC and hopefully this stuff will be on shelves for a long time to come (and if it wont, let me know so I can stock up )
    I sincerely thank you for your excellent review my friend. It's nice to see guys that have such great success with havoc.

    I don't know for certain what the time table for havoc is, but get it while you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I sincerely thank you for your excellent review my friend. It's nice to see guys that have such great success with havoc.

    I don't know for certain what the time table for havoc is, but get it while you can.
    No problem, I wish I had before and after pictures because the difference was incredible. My flat bench which had been stuck at just under 225x1 for the better part of a year (which really pissed me of for that better part of the year) jumped to a 275X1 Max, with dumbell flat going to 100x8 and DB inclines at 85x8, my shrugs jumped to 405x8 and EVERYTHING else whent up too. The best part, now a month or so later I still have most of it, but through a carb cycling diet I dropped about 15 of the 22lbs and still look much bigger and leaner.
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    Hey Orange, did u notice any shedding. I have thinned a little more in the last year and this is one of the main reasons I have yet to try Havoc, as it sits n my cabinet screaming to start. R U prone to thinning, I am trying to wait on the Viril Main comes out in hopes of preventing any more shedding.
    Trauma your input on shedding would be appreciated as well...
    I only have about 25, err 24 hairs left and would like to hang on to the few remaining ones....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    Hey Orange, did u notice any shedding. I have thinned a little more in the last year and this is one of the main reasons I have yet to try Havoc, as it sits n my cabinet screaming to start. R U prone to thinning, I am trying to wait on the Viril Main comes out in hopes of preventing any more shedding.
    Trauma your input on shedding would be appreciated as well...
    I only have about 25, err 24 hairs left and would like to hang on to the few remaining ones....
    I thought you were talking about shredding, like cutting weight at first, In which case while I was on I was pounding food, I mean i ate all my clean meals 6 a day all with 50G of protein, plenty of good, carbs, and fats while I was on and then I had quite a few days were I just couldn't hold back from the stuff I really shouldn't eat, I mean for like a week oreo's became a staple of my diet, bad i know. But I put on 22lbs and I really feel like i lost BF. I was honestly getting comments from everyone around me about "what was I taking" all the time, hell my family even started to wonder on some of the weekends I was home from college

    As for shedding hair, I didn't, but I'm 20 years old with a full head of hair and no signs of it going any-were, except for that I shave my head. So that may be different for you.
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    Ok guys I am interested in some input

    I'm am currently taking 40mg havoc a day (split).

    Any Reason to stack Novedex XT with it?

    And is Novedex XT sufficient for PCT? I am not into taking anything illegal, I travel a lot for work.

    I am also taking liver aid and taurine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staytrue View Post
    Ok guys I am interested in some input

    I'm am currently taking 40mg havoc a day (split).

    Any Reason to stack Novedex XT with it?

    And is Novedex XT sufficient for PCT? I am not into taking anything illegal, I travel a lot for work.

    I am also taking liver aid and taurine.
    Hit me up with a PM, and i'll help you out here.

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    Hey Trauma, you didn't forget about me did you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odouls268 View Post
    Hey Trauma, you didn't forget about me did you?
    No, i didn't. I've had a VERY busy week this week and have fallen behind. I'll get to it shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    No, i didn't. I've had a VERY busy week this week and have fallen behind. I'll get to it shortly.
    Sweeeeeet
    Thanks alot
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    hey can you guys check out my proposed cycle and see how it looks.

    any comments or hints would be greatly appreciated.

    i will try to get the nolvadex to have on hand also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    hey can you guys check out my proposed cycle and see how it looks.

    any comments or hints would be greatly appreciated.

    i will try to get the nolvadex to have on hand also.
    Honestly bro I think you should continue to gain naturally until you are 160-170lbs, and then consider the cycle. I think right now you are just not quite there yet to be playing around with your hormones. Build a solid base first, and then cycle.
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    Ok I have been reading for days and my supply was ordered on the 9th waiting on it to arrive.

    I bought the Nutra Planet combo w/ pct and cycle support of havoc

    My questions are simple

    Is this enough ? Im going to be taking some protein shakes (probably 1-2 a day along with 3-4 meals) and the cycle support as directed on the label.

    Should I get some Taurine? Do I need anything else for my PCT? Any things I should include in the pct that I can get over the counter? Thanks!
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    I would buy a test booster like DTH or Activate Extreme. also I would def. get Taurine. wal-mart or wherever.

    Activate Extreme, DTH, Hyperdrive, or whatever test booster
    Taurine
    Fish Oil(omega 3)
    Lean Extreme if you want.
    and if you can you better get some Nolvadex just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omegax View Post
    Ok I have been reading for days and my supply was ordered on the 9th waiting on it to arrive.

    I bought the Nutra Planet combo w/ pct and cycle support of havoc

    My questions are simple

    Is this enough ? Im going to be taking some protein shakes (probably 1-2 a day along with 3-4 meals) and the cycle support as directed on the label.

    Should I get some Taurine? Do I need anything else for my PCT? Any things I should include in the pct that I can get over the counter? Thanks!
    dude..ahah..are u sure ur ready to do this? in fact you need to read the first post in this thread by Trauma1

    after some research i posted a proposed cycle couple of posts up..look at that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravoboy View Post
    I would buy a test booster like DTH or Activate Extreme. also I would def. get Taurine. wal-mart or wherever.

    Activate Extreme, DTH, Hyperdrive, or whatever test booster
    Taurine
    Fish Oil(omega 3)
    Lean Extreme if you want.
    and if you can you better get some Nolvadex just in case.
    Can any of these be bought at the store ? What dossages just what it says on the bottle? Where do I go about getting nolvadex, and when the gyno becomes obvious is when im supposed to take it or what ?

    The shippment doesnt arrive for another week or two - so im doing as much reading as I can, ill re-read the original post thought it was out dated but ill re-read thanks ndnguy85 ill checkout your proposed pct as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by omegax View Post
    Ok I have been reading for days and my supply was ordered on the 9th waiting on it to arrive.

    I bought the Nutra Planet combo w/ pct and cycle support of havoc

    My questions are simple

    Is this enough ? Im going to be taking some protein shakes (probably 1-2 a day along with 3-4 meals) and the cycle support as directed on the label.

    Should I get some Taurine? Do I need anything else for my PCT? Any things I should include in the pct that I can get over the counter? Thanks!
    Hit me up with a PM and i'll help you get this going. I'm a bit behind in answering (due to a busy week), but i'll get to it shortly.

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    Whats the shelf life of Havoc roughly?

    Can't remember if it was answered in this thread or not. I did read it all a couple months back, ta!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    Whats the shelf life of Havoc roughly?

    Can't remember if it was answered in this thread or not. I did read it all a couple months back, ta!
    standard shelf life is 2 years from date of production, which is stamped on the bottle.

    Correct storage conditions can extend this for another year or so, then the product will begin to slowly lose potency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    standard shelf life is 2 years from date of production, which is stamped on the bottle.

    Correct storage conditions can extend this for another year or so, then the product will begin to slowly lose potency.
    Alright cool ta. Been quite interested in the results of Havoc lately. been reading up a lot on it. I know i don't need to run a cycle at the moment but i was thinking of buying a bottle for safe keeping
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    My new cycle to start in early novemeber.....stay tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    My new cycle to start in early novemeber.....stay tuned.
    Hey T1 how long has it been since your last havoc cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    My new cycle to start in early novemeber.....stay tuned.
    have you planned it out yet? otc pct? or serm?
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    I'll post up a general layout in a bit. It's basically going to be a Phera-Plex (AX version)/Havoc bridge cycle. M-TST will be utilized as well.

    And yes, very much a SERM based pct.
    Last edited by Trauma1; 10-17-2008 at 11:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    Hey T1 how long has it been since your last havoc cycle?
    Over a year.

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    I started my own log check it out if you guys want and give me any tips

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    I've had a look around and haven't been able to find any logs with IGF-2 as PCT. What would the dosing be like and how long would you run it for? Would it be better to run it while on cycle or saving it till PCT?
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    are there any pulse examples for havoc thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    are there any pulse examples for havoc thanks.
    Check out the pulse logs for Epistane and you should be able to use a similar format.
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    pct havoc


    Getting ready to finish up my Havoc cycle in 2 wks and just had a few questions with the pct. Yes i have read all other posts but just wanted feedback on mine if its suffiecient enough without the SERM.

    Cycle support ( during and 4wks after)
    Post Cycle Support ( after)
    Diesel Test Hardcore ( after as directed)
    Liver Longer ( 4 wks after)
    super cissus (during and after)
    Size on creatine ( after)
    And of course all the small stuff like multivitamins, protein,taurine....etc..


    6 oxo ???? on how to dose this

    Should i add in anything else like sustain alpha or am i overdoing it already. This is my first cycle and i must say so far im very impressed with havoc.. Thanks to anyone who replies for the help
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguns View Post
    Getting ready to finish up my Havoc cycle in 2 wks and just had a few questions with the pct. Yes i have read all other posts but just wanted feedback on mine if its suffiecient enough without the SERM.

    Cycle support ( during and 4wks after)
    Post Cycle Support ( after)
    Diesel Test Hardcore ( after as directed)
    Liver Longer ( 4 wks after)
    super cissus (during and after)
    Size on creatine ( after)
    And of course all the small stuff like multivitamins, protein,taurine....etc..


    6 oxo ???? on how to dose this

    Should i add in anything else like sustain alpha or am i overdoing it already. This is my first cycle and i must say so far im very impressed with havoc.. Thanks to anyone who replies for the help
    I think it looks pretty good the way you have it set up. I always suggest a serm, but if not available, i like what you have laid out. You won't need the 6-oxo. The DTH and AI products are a great addition to a havoc pct, and i highly recommend them!

    My only other suggestion would be some type of anticort. Other than that, looks good bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguns View Post
    Getting ready to finish up my Havoc cycle in 2 wks and just had a few questions with the pct. Yes i have read all other posts but just wanted feedback on mine if its suffiecient enough without the SERM.

    Cycle support ( during and 4wks after)
    Post Cycle Support ( after)
    Diesel Test Hardcore ( after as directed)
    Liver Longer ( 4 wks after)
    super cissus (during and after)
    Size on creatine ( after)
    And of course all the small stuff like multivitamins, protein,taurine....etc..


    6 oxo ???? on how to dose this

    Should i add in anything else like sustain alpha or am i overdoing it already. This is my first cycle and i must say so far im very impressed with havoc.. Thanks to anyone who replies for the help
    Any idea how the body fat to weight gain is working for you? Any new sides. Anything you'ed do different next time if there is a next time?
    Enjoyed following this thread.
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    Thanks alot trauma for the advice. I will throw in an anticort also. Any recommendations for a well reputed anti cort?


    Graglor, as far as weight gain.. i have gained 6 pds in the first 2 wks of havoc. Of course my diet has been eating like a horse also and a clean bulk. Im taking in about 1.5 gallons of water a day if not more and about 2g protein per pd of body weight. ( may be 2 much but its been working great for me)
    Believe it or not i look like im leaning out but still gaining weight. So far i highly recommend Havoc and if the next 2 wks go this good i will have a nice 12lb gain. No sides yet....knock on wood...

    I will keep posted on my results
  

  
 

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