Havoc Write-up

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by timmmah View Post
    Thanx a lot bro! I'll try the first cycle solo Havoc, but should I add tribulus to offset libido? What effects would that have on the potency of havoc?
    I would add DHEA to hep with libido and joints.

    I've also been using Diesel Test Hardcore, and find it impressive.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I would add DHEA to hep with libido and joints.

    I've also been using Diesel Test Hardcore, and find it impressive.
    I'm looking forward to trying it myself.

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  3. hows it going fellas i am currently running a 2 week cycle of havoc at 20 mg a day and i can already see a shrinkin of my glandular gyno and a tightening of my puffy a** nips. I am going to buy my PCT supplies tommrow i am going to go with 60x0 extreme tribulus and creatine...should i run the 60x0 for just weeks like my cycle and how about the tribulus? need a little input here gents ur help is greatly appreciated. This stuff is crazy on my strenght!!!

  4. how do you recommend dosing the DCP during cycle, I was thinking

    3- pre cardio
    2- 30 min before lunch and dinner

    is it as simple as that?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by wasupmuh33 View Post
    hows it going fellas i am currently running a 2 week cycle of havoc at 20 mg a day and i can already see a shrinkin of my glandular gyno and a tightening of my puffy a** nips. I am going to buy my PCT supplies tommrow i am going to go with 60x0 extreme tribulus and creatine...should i run the 60x0 for just weeks like my cycle and how about the tribulus? need a little input here gents ur help is greatly appreciated. This stuff is crazy on my strenght!!!
    Start at page one of this thread. Neoborn also has another thread with everything you need to know. All your answers are in both. Good luck.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by wrkn4bigrmusles View Post
    how do you recommend dosing the DCP during cycle, I was thinking

    3- pre cardio
    2- 30 min before lunch and dinner

    is it as simple as that?
    Yeah - I think that looks pretty good. It should definitely give you some very nice endurance boost effects dosing it pre-workout. The PLCAR in DCP will also enhance androgen receptor proliferation increasing potential muscle mass gains.

    Feel free to play around with the dosing a bit to see what works best for you, however what you've mapped out looks solid to me.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by wasupmuh33 View Post
    hows it going fellas i am currently running a 2 week cycle of havoc at 20 mg a day and i can already see a shrinkin of my glandular gyno and a tightening of my puffy a** nips. I am going to buy my PCT supplies tommrow i am going to go with 60x0 extreme tribulus and creatine...should i run the 60x0 for just weeks like my cycle and how about the tribulus? need a little input here gents ur help is greatly appreciated. This stuff is crazy on my strenght!!!
    PM me and i'll help you set up a decent PCT for your havoc cycle.

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Graglor View Post
    Start at page one of this thread. Neoborn also has another thread with everything you need to know. All your answers are in both. Good luck.
    Thank you sir. My write-up is still a work in progress. More to be added until i perfect that bad boy!

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  9. Trauma1 I am not sure if my messages are being sent my computer is freaking out have you recieved my personal messages about the PCT? dont want to bother you just checking to see if I am even sending out my questions or not...thanks again

  10. Quote Originally Posted by wasupmuh33 View Post
    Trauma1 I am not sure if my messages are being sent my computer is freaking out have you recieved my personal messages about the PCT? dont want to bother you just checking to see if I am even sending out my questions or not...thanks again
    Sorry man, just been busy lately. I have it and i'll be sending a reply shortly.

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  11. curiousity, the pre-workout dose can or shouldbe taken 30 min or an hour before you workout

  12. Quote Originally Posted by wrkn4bigrmusles View Post
    curiousity, the pre-workout dose can or shouldbe taken 30 min or an hour before you workout
    I'd take it anywhere from 45 mins - 1 hour beforehand for best effect.

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  13. thats what i figured... took it an hour prior for my first dose/day of this deal..

    thanks

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    If you're looking to add a great compound to stack with Havoc i would suggest Anabolic Xtreme's: 3-AD. I think the two would have a very good synergy. I logged the beta for 3-AD a few months ago. Do a quick search for the log(T1's 3-AD Tester Log Redux) in the supplement review/log section.

    Havoc as a compound will give you amazing gains all in itself. If you haven't used havoc before i'd suggest running a Havoc cycle solo to gain knowledge of the compound and its effects on your body.
    Since 3-AD is an "Ester compound" would this add any extra strain on the liver if it were run with a methyl such as Havoc?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Ole Skl View Post
    Since 3-AD is an "Ester compound" would this add any extra strain on the liver if it were run with a methyl such as Havoc?
    Yes - it will add additional stress. However, the degree of that is dependent upon many factors such as dosing, previous/current medical conditions, and total length of time taken.

    A non-methyl like 3-AD won't add the degree of liver stress that a methyl would, but it still adds a bit. As long as you aren't abusing the compounds and taking them irresponsibly everything should workout just fine.
    Last edited by Trauma1; 06-11-2008 at 09:56 AM.

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  16. so after reading much of the forum on havoc and post cycle therapy, I honest feel like i have gotten myself in two deep and am looking for some advice. I was recommended havoc by a friend. I am entering week 4 of my cycle of 10/20/20/30. Starting weight: 189 lbs Current weight: 195 lbs. I do not plan on exceeding 4 weeks in this cycle, however, I'm pretty confused about the post cycle therapy and what I should get as a first timer. Can you help??

  17. I also failed to mention I am running a 12 week stack of BSN's Nitrix, Cellmass, and NoXplode that will continue until August. I need some serious help I think

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigverm23 View Post
    so after reading much of the forum on havoc and post cycle therapy, I honest feel like i have gotten myself in two deep and am looking for some advice. I was recommended havoc by a friend. I am entering week 4 of my cycle of 10/20/20/30. Starting weight: 189 lbs Current weight: 195 lbs. I do not plan on exceeding 4 weeks in this cycle, however, I'm pretty confused about the post cycle therapy and what I should get as a first timer. Can you help??

    You should ALWAYS have your PCT supplements in hand and mapped out before you even start your cycle. PM me and i'll help you get this together.
    Last edited by Trauma1; 06-11-2008 at 09:56 AM.

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    You should ALWAYS have you PCT supplements in hand and mapped out before you even start your cycle. PM me and i'll help you get this together.
    Good man Trauma. Way to help out!!!! Reps when I can.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Graglor View Post
    Good man Trauma. Way to help out!!!! Reps when I can.

    Thank you sir!

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  21. I'll be tweaking and adding more to the Havoc Write-Up either tonight or tomorrow guys. I hope to get in a sample PCT also for guidance in setting it up.

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  22. I keep hearing that Havoc and Epistane are the same and should be treated as such; can anyone explain to me why they look rather different and if there are any pros/cons of the two?
    Epistane - 2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol
    Havoc - 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan- 17b-ol

  23. they are both technically the same, but we chose the common name in accordance with the labeing guidelines set forth, rather than try to obscure the name to deflect attention.
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  24. got it

  25. can i use an anti estrogen w/havoc while i am dieting?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by grazidi View Post
    can i use an anti estrogen w/havoc while i am dieting?
    Do you mean on cycle with havoc?

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  27. yes, use both because i am dieting down. i do not want to put weight on. i want to cut and harden.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by grazidi View Post
    yes, use both because i am dieting down. i do not want to put weight on. i want to cut and harden.
    Havoc in itself will suppress estrogen to a degree due to the compounds AI qualities. You don't need to use an AI with it.

    If you diet is geared correctly, you can make a very nice lean bulk/recomp cycle with Havoc. Remember - Having a diet specifically set-up for something like this is absolutely paramount. If done correctly, the results should be amazing.

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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Havoc in itself will suppress estrogen to a degree due to the compounds AI qualities. You don't need to use an AI with it.

    If you diet is geared correctly, you can make a very nice lean bulk/recomp cycle with Havoc. Remember - Having a diet specifically set-up for something like this is absolutely paramount. If done correctly, the results should be amazing.
    yea, thats the thing is i am not concerned with any lean/bulking. its a little to late to put on size. i am only concerned with cutting/hardening. my diet and training and cardio r dialled in. check out my pix from last summer, just so u know i live for this sport and am serious. steroid free!

  30. Pics look good! As long as you have you diet dialed in you should be good to go. Good luck with this bud and make sure to post up a thread when you start it.

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