Havoc Write-up

**Trauma1** · 05-01-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HEALTH MODE

non methyl (wet) please thanks

A few off the top of my head........Revolt, X-Mass, and Ergomax-LMG.

Bravoboy · 05-02-2008, 07:42 AM

IMO, propadrol (EST) is another.....

HEALTH MODE · 05-02-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trauma1

A few off the top of my head........Revolt, X-Mass, and Ergomax-LMG.

thanks

AM07 · 05-03-2008, 01:31 AM

Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?

Bravoboy · 05-03-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AM07

Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?

I think it would be fine....You might just want to pulse. Couldn't imagen the results being much different. JMO.

**Trauma1** · 05-03-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AM07

Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?

I would not run a straight cycle for 45 days with havoc even at 20mg/day. I would suggest pulsing if you wanted to go this route. If you need help setting one up give me shout.

Ole Skl · 05-08-2008, 12:50 PM

Just about got my sups and pct together for my first Havoc cycle(20/20/30/30 maybe kick it up to 40 for the last week if im feeling it), the only thing im not sure about is my training/diet while cycling.IM looking to get as much lean, long lasting mass as I can out of it, so my question is; should I follow a cutting style diet and training routine or should I do more of a bulk style and begin to cut during/after PCT?

AM07 · 05-08-2008, 01:52 PM

I would guess that you would want to eat slightly over maintenance, maybe 500 calories or so. If I were you, I would just train really hard and smash some food, and make sure to do some form of cardio, whether it's running, cycling, punching bag, jump roping, etc.

**Trauma1** · 05-08-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Skl

Just about got my sups and pct together for my first Havoc cycle(20/20/30/30 maybe kick it up to 40 for the last week if im feeling it), the only thing im not sure about is my training/diet while cycling.IM looking to get as much lean, long lasting mass as I can out of it, so my question is; should I follow a cutting style diet and training routine or should I do more of a bulk style and begin to cut during/after PCT?

You can use havoc as a bulker, or to maintain size while cutting. This largely depends on how you have your diet/training set up. You can try adding in DCP to help achieve even more of a lean bulk overall. You diet is the key here. You have to decide what it is you ultimately want to get out of this havoc cycle.

Ole Skl · 05-09-2008, 03:45 PM

Trauma, if I were to PM you with the basics of my diet, training routine, and plans for my cycle, would you be able to give it a once over for me? or at least point me in the direction of someone who could...

**Trauma1** · 05-09-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Skl

Trauma, if I were to PM you with the basics of my diet, training routine, and plans for my cycle, would you be able to give it a once over for me? or at least point me in the direction of someone who could...

I'd be happy to. Hit me up.

Bigguy851 · 05-18-2008, 03:49 PM

havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad

**Trauma1** · 05-18-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigguy851

havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad

Yes, adequate fluid intake is an absolute must in muscle pump prevention. Adding in taurine and electrolytes(sodium,potassium,calcium) will also add a great deal of benefit.

dsade · 05-18-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigguy851

havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad

ouch....I don't envy how that must have felt.

Your body will tell you what it needs if you listen; though..

Bigguy851 · 05-18-2008, 06:51 PM

hey trauma i just ordered some bcaa and taurine i have about two weeks left of havoc i was wondering how i should take the taurine and bcaa with the havoc. also i am takin venom by alr to cut weight should i stop takin that