Havoc Write-up

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by HEALTH MODE View Post
    non methyl (wet) please thanks
    A few off the top of my head........Revolt, X-Mass, and Ergomax-LMG.

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  2. IMO, propadrol (EST) is another.....
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    A few off the top of my head........Revolt, X-Mass, and Ergomax-LMG.
    thanks

  4. Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?
    I think it would be fine....You might just want to pulse. Couldn't imagen the results being much different. JMO.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Trauma, is it safe to run Havoc for 45 days at 20mg/day? If so, does one need an SERM PCT, or would old JW suffice?
    I would not run a straight cycle for 45 days with havoc even at 20mg/day. I would suggest pulsing if you wanted to go this route. If you need help setting one up give me shout.

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  7. Just about got my sups and pct together for my first Havoc cycle(20/20/30/30 maybe kick it up to 40 for the last week if im feeling it), the only thing im not sure about is my training/diet while cycling.IM looking to get as much lean, long lasting mass as I can out of it, so my question is; should I follow a cutting style diet and training routine or should I do more of a bulk style and begin to cut during/after PCT?

  8. I would guess that you would want to eat slightly over maintenance, maybe 500 calories or so. If I were you, I would just train really hard and smash some food, and make sure to do some form of cardio, whether it's running, cycling, punching bag, jump roping, etc.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Ole Skl View Post
    Just about got my sups and pct together for my first Havoc cycle(20/20/30/30 maybe kick it up to 40 for the last week if im feeling it), the only thing im not sure about is my training/diet while cycling.IM looking to get as much lean, long lasting mass as I can out of it, so my question is; should I follow a cutting style diet and training routine or should I do more of a bulk style and begin to cut during/after PCT?
    You can use havoc as a bulker, or to maintain size while cutting. This largely depends on how you have your diet/training set up. You can try adding in DCP to help achieve even more of a lean bulk overall. You diet is the key here. You have to decide what it is you ultimately want to get out of this havoc cycle.

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  10. Trauma, if I were to PM you with the basics of my diet, training routine, and plans for my cycle, would you be able to give it a once over for me? or at least point me in the direction of someone who could...
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Ole Skl View Post
    Trauma, if I were to PM you with the basics of my diet, training routine, and plans for my cycle, would you be able to give it a once over for me? or at least point me in the direction of someone who could...
    I'd be happy to. Hit me up.

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  12. havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Bigguy851 View Post
    havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad
    Yes, adequate fluid intake is an absolute must in muscle pump prevention. Adding in taurine and electrolytes(sodium,potassium, calcium) will also add a great deal of benefit.

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Bigguy851 View Post
    havoc is a beast and listen when it says drink plenty of fluids because i went a few days without drinking lots of water and i got muscle pumps in my back so bad i was nearly down to my knees it hurt so bad
    ouch....I don't envy how that must have felt.

    Your body will tell you what it needs if you listen; though..
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  15. hey trauma i just ordered some bcaa and taurine i have about two weeks left of havoc i was wondering how i should take the taurine and bcaa with the havoc. also i am takin venom by alr to cut weight should i stop takin that

  16. Iam onmy last week of Havoc and Hdrol. Very happy with the gains. The pumps at 40 are amazing. I did not feel much at 30
    I did 30/30/40/40 with Hdrol at 50/75/100/100. Very minimal sides, I started at 193 and today I was at 211. It hell crazy that I gained all my weight though in one week. That I do not understand. I was thinking lots of water retention, but these compunds are supposed to be dry, And I drink coffee 3 days a week at night to keep me awake through the night. The only thing I can think of is I added albuterol just prior to my workouts starting on my 3rd week. Just to give me some added energy. Strengh wise, it worked wonders for me.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bigguy851 View Post
    hey trauma i just ordered some bcaa and taurine i have about two weeks left of havoc i was wondering how i should take the taurine and bcaa with the havoc. also i am takin venom by alr to cut weight should i stop takin that
    I would definitely stop taking the venom until after your pct is complete. Otherwise you'll be sacrificing hard earned muscle at this point. There will be plenty of time to cut up and show off your new muscle.

    I like to drink my BCAA's intraworkout while at the gym. As far as taurine goes, i usually take a dose pre-workout(3g) and then again post workout(3g).

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    Iam onmy last week of Havoc and Hdrol. Very happy with the gains. The pumps at 40 are amazing. I did not feel much at 30
    I did 30/30/40/40 with Hdrol at 50/75/100/100. Very minimal sides, I started at 193 and today I was at 211. It hell crazy that I gained all my weight though in one week. That I do not understand. I was thinking lots of water retention, but these compunds are supposed to be dry, And I drink coffee 3 days a week at night to keep me awake through the night. The only thing I can think of is I added albuterol just prior to my workouts starting on my 3rd week. Just to give me some added energy. Strengh wise, it worked wonders for me.
    Glad you enjoyed the havoc. I will say though that running two methylated compounds together is not a wise choice overall, however i won't preach and will leave it at that. Remember safety ALWAYS comes first. Just make sure you get some bloodwork done when your cycle is done to make sure all is fairly decent with lab values.

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  19. Subbed. Looking forward to the pulse advice.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Graglor View Post
    Subbed. Looking forward to the pulse advice.
    I hope to get to it shortly. I just have a lot on my plate right now, but i assure you it WILL be done......eventually.

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    A few off the top of my head........Revolt, X-Mass, and Ergomax-LMG.
    How bout san attitude? non methyl?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by timmmah View Post
    How bout san attitude? non methyl?
    I had no idea what it was so i looked it up. San's "Attitude" is a test booster using the aromatase inhibition of ATD and 3-OHAT. Not something you'd want to add in during your havoc cycle.

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  23. how much negative effect does Havoc have on the Liver or can someone point me in the direction of a post already covering this. yes I "got search" already

  24. subbed..foe..sho

  25. Quote Originally Posted by wrkn4bigrmusles View Post
    how much negative effect does Havoc have on the Liver or can someone point me in the direction of a post already covering this. yes I "got search" already
    liver function tests from numerous testers, both during and after cycle, while elevated slightly show the compound to be comparably benign.

    Havoc IS a 17a methylated compound and it is most definitely not wonderful on the liver, so all due diligence should be taken.

    As indicated, avoid ALL alcohol while on cycle, supplement with milk thistle and NAC, and run a conservative Post Cycle Therapy.
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  26. I think dsade summed that up nicely.

    Anything that is 17a methylated prevents the liver from oxidizing the compound during the first pass effect. This means that it has to work very hard to eventually metabolize the compound. Avoid anything that would cause added stress to you liver. The havoc write-up Q&A sums it up pretty good.

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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I had no idea what it was so i looked it up. San's "Attitude" is a test booster using the aromatase inhibition of ATD and 3-OHAT. Not something you'd want to add in during your havoc cycle.
    Thanx, how about formadrol by legal gear or axis ht?

  28. If you are looking to add something to Havoc, you don't really need anything. Save the formadrol and any other test booster for PCT. MMV2 would be a great addition to havoc if you wanted. if never ran just go solo.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by timmmah View Post
    Thanx, how about formadrol by legal gear or axis ht?
    If you're looking to add a great compound to stack with Havoc i would suggest Anabolic Xtreme's: 3-AD. I think the two would have a very good synergy. I logged the beta for 3-AD a few months ago. Do a quick search for the log(T1's 3-AD Tester Log Redux) in the supplement review/log section.

    Havoc as a compound will give you amazing gains all in itself. If you haven't used havoc before i'd suggest running a Havoc cycle solo to gain knowledge of the compound and its effects on your body.

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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    If you're looking to add a great compound to stack with Havoc i would suggest Anabolic Xtreme's: 3-AD. I think the two would have a very good synergy. I logged the beta for 3-AD a few months ago. Do a quick search for the log(T1's 3-AD Tester Log Redux) in the supplement review/log section.

    Havoc as a compound will give you amazing gains all in itself. If you haven't used havoc before i'd suggest running a Havoc cycle solo to gain knowledge of the compound and its effects on your body.
    Thanx a lot bro! I'll try the first cycle solo Havoc, but should I add tribulus to offset libido? What effects would that have on the potency of havoc?
  

  
 

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