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    This is what i have come to a conclusion on after researching the web for about 6hrs. So many different people saying so many different ways. How does this sound to you guys.

    Cycle Support- during cycle
    Liver Longer- during and after cycle
    cissus- 3 wks before, during and after cycle

    Post cylce Support- after cycle for 6 wks
    Diesel test- after cycle for 4 wks
    6 oxo- after cycle 4 wks--------Different opinions on this
    Size-On creatine- after cycle

    Any other recommendations please let me know. I cant seem to get ahold of a SERM Online so unless someone can hook me up that is un realistic for me. But i wish i had one.

    And of course taking daily Multi's and Protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguns View Post
    This is what i have come to a conclusion on after researching the web for about 6hrs. So many different people saying so many different ways. How does this sound to you guys.

    Cycle Support- during cycle
    Liver Longer- during and after cycle
    cissus- 3 wks before, during and after cycle

    Post cylce Support- after cycle for 6 wks
    Diesel test- after cycle for 4 wks
    6 oxo- after cycle 4 wks--------Different opinions on this
    Size-On creatine- after cycle

    Any other recommendations please let me know. I cant seem to get ahold of a SERM Online so unless someone can hook me up that is un realistic for me. But i wish i had one.

    And of course taking daily Multi's and Protein.
    dude, I think that looks sweet! I wouldn't hesitate a second to run that stack but that's just me.
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    again...cycle support through PCT also...if you end up finding and using a SERM for PCT...then cycle support use should go into PCT and few weeks or so beyond...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    again...cycle support through PCT also...if you end up finding and using a SERM for PCT...then cycle support use should go into PCT and few weeks or so beyond...
    Thanks alot for the help. I will start my cycle on the 1st of april once everything arrives and keep you posted on my results. Again thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguns View Post
    Thanks alot for the help. I will start my cycle on the 1st of april once everything arrives and keep you posted on my results. Again thanks
    Good luck bro and you should like the results as I have had with Havoc!!!
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    Is there a board sponsor who carrys "research chems"..
    Nolva
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    Clomid
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    clen
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    Most boards have a sponsor of the sorts.. I can post various companys that you can purchase these from which is openly discussed on most boards, but I dont know if that goes against the rules here.. soo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpDogg View Post
    Is there a board sponsor who carrys "research chems"..
    Nolva
    Letro
    Clomid
    Arimidex
    clen
    keto
    T3
    The list goes on and on...


    Most boards have a sponsor of the sorts.. I can post various companys that you can purchase these from which is openly discussed on most boards, but I dont know if that goes against the rules here.. soo...
    I believe that would break the rules here...but is def mentioned in the rules section thread...
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    Cool.. We will leave that alone then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpDogg View Post
    Cool.. We will leave that alone then..
    nothing wrong with pm's though.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by icanrace View Post
    nothing wrong with pm's though.........
    "Soliciting for sources of steroids or 'research' ancillaries via PM is a violation of board rules."

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    Though personally I wouldn't see anything wrong with doing it PM...
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    oh, good call. Sorry for the inaccurate suggestion
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    "Soliciting for sources of steroids or 'research' ancillaries via PM is a violation of board rules."

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    I'm excited to start after reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper1088 View Post
    I'm excited to start after reading
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    I am wondering why it is believed that cycle support should be run after cycle during PCT? Considering the fact, that you will not be putting Havoc into your system during PCT, why do you feel you would need the supplements included in cycle support for PCT? Do you think that taking Post cycle support will not be sufficient enough to counteract the effects sustained during immediate post cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firsttofight View Post
    I am wondering why it is believed that cycle support should be run after cycle during PCT? Considering the fact, that you will not be putting Havoc into your system during PCT, why do you feel you would need the supplements included in cycle support for PCT? Do you think that taking Post cycle support will not be sufficient enough to counteract the effects sustained during immediate post cycle?
    I believe its the fact that even though you stop taking Havoc or any other ph for that matter that it remains and stays active in your body weeks after your cycle. Just because you stop taking it doesn't mean it's out of your body.
    Someone please correct me if this is not correct.
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    It's more of a safety measure if anything but if you were using a SERM, you'd should def consider running CS through PCT as a SERM is still just as stressful on the liver but overall I think you're missing the point of what each of these products do or should I safely say what they are intended to do for us...

    POST cycle support is supposed to help you recover and retain your gains while CS is supposed to help protect/relieve stress on the organs affected by doing steroids (injectable or oral)

    Including on top of that, our bodies don't just repair and forget what stress we just put ourselves through. Yes the compound can still remain active a day/few days later depending on half-life duration and what-not but our bodies need time to get back to normal I guess if you want to say that and it is just an extra measure to ease it back to good health as it takes time...hence continuing through PCT and if using SERM I'd recommend few weeks after PCT but that is just me and that is what I do...again for safe measure...when it comes to my body and organs...I'd like to help them out and 40 extra bucks is not that much in this regard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    It's more of a safety measure if anything but if you were using a SERM, you'd should def consider running CS through PCT as a SERM is still just as stressful on the liver but overall I think you're missing the point of what each of these products do or should I safely say what they are intended to do for us...

    POST cycle support is supposed to help you recover and retain your gains while CS is supposed to help protect/relieve stress on the organs affected by doing steroids (injectable or oral)

    Including on top of that, our bodies don't just repair and forget what stress we just put ourselves through. Yes the compound can still remain active a day/few days later depending on half-life duration and what-not but our bodies need time to get back to normal I guess if you want to say that and it is just an extra measure to ease it back to good health as it takes time...hence continuing through PCT and if using SERM I'd recommend few weeks after PCT but that is just me and that is what I do...again for safe measure...when it comes to my body and organs...I'd like to help them out and 40 extra bucks is not that much in this regard...
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    I've searched high and low but still seem unable to get ahold of any torem. I've found nolva and already have some ready for pct, but after reading I'm thinking I want to still try for the torem. Can some kind person help me "search" for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    It's more of a safety measure if anything but if you were using a SERM, you'd should def consider running CS through PCT as a SERM is still just as stressful on the liver but overall I think you're missing the point of what each of these products do or should I safely say what they are intended to do for us...
    Thanks for your opinion.
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    Havoc ate away all my water weight, I love it! I am only on day 10. I was never fat or overweight, only "big", now I am getting leaner, cutter, and putting lean mass with no problem!
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    nice write-up, very helpful
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    Very nice! Should be a Sticky! Throw up its own thread and put a link in your sig Trauma...
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    Very nice write up bro.. It needs to be a FAQ like there is for pct etc... I like the additional advice concerning tylenol and Advil etc..
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    I'd include the pulse dosing protocol in this since people do like that idea also...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    I'd include the pulse dosing protocol in this since people do like that idea also...
    I'll definitely be adding that in there. I've just had a lot going on as of late and my overall time is limited. I will be doing much more adding and editing though. The finished product should be very nice. I'm glad you guys like it thusfar.

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    good to know...I have 8 friends lined up that now are on Havoc or will be and I'd love to direct them to a one-page-explains-all (well in a perfect world "all" haha) but this will hit the key points!!!
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    Can anyone tell me the half life of Havoc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnDiesel View Post
    Can anyone tell me the half life of Havoc?
    Last thing I heard it was 6 hours...and superdrol was 8...if I mixed it up someone plz correct...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    Last thing I heard it was 6 hours...and superdrol was 8...if I mixed it up someone plz correct...
    6hours was the consensus among the various websites. But i was thrown for a loop when i read: (From PAs test thread on BB.com)

    "Mild methylated compounds often have a half-life of four hours, but this isn't indicative of anything. It depends on the therapeutic index of Havoc. Havoc has an extra sulfur group that puts it in a weird fourth dimension.

    Educated guess: 2 hours an effective concentration, after 8 hours loss of effective concentration."


    ...anyone have further info, thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnDiesel View Post
    6hours was the consensus among the various websites. But i was thrown for a loop when i read: (From PAs test thread on BB.com)

    "Mild methylated compounds often have a half-life of four hours, but this isn't indicative of anything. It depends on the therapeutic index of Havoc. Havoc has an extra sulfur group that puts it in a weird fourth dimension.

    Educated guess: 2 hours an effective concentration, after 8 hours loss of effective concentration."


    ...anyone have further info, thx.
    Isn't that generally how it works anyways? haha. It has been in range of 6-10 hours usually for a general idea for Havoc, Superdrol and the like...as no one really knows or has a definate answer (but have seen it specific to Havoc 6 Superdrol 8 somewhere in AM) and for I have seen this question asked numerous times in here and elsewhere being generalized for the most part...
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    THanks for the write up Trauma.

    Probably a stupid question, but what is DHEA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttony View Post
    THanks for the write up Trauma.

    Probably a stupid question, but what is DHEA?
    DHEA(Dehydroepiandrosterone): It's basically a precursor to an androgen/estrogen. Our adrenal glands also produce it endogenously. Check out some of our board sponsors that sell products that contain it.

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    hey guys, I am not up to date with the NON-methyl(wet)compounds out there, which ones would you recommend?

    This would be for my second cycle this summer, ran havoc alone and getting ready to finish up, gave me the results I wanted! NO sides, maybe a pimple or two, but I attribute that to stress and sweating at work.
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    Trauma,

    What's the word on availability?

    Looking forward to your pulse write-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpk View Post
    Trauma,

    What's the word on availability?

    Looking forward to your pulse write-up.
    I apoligize for the delay in the pulse write-up. I just have tons going on right now, but all for the better. I will get it up shortly as well as a havoc PCT guideline for all to follow.

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    I meant when will NutraPlanet have more Havoc for me to stock up on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpk View Post
    I meant when will NutraPlanet have more Havoc for me to stock up on?
    Havoc shipments have been staggered for many reasons including ensuring quality control of product. I believe it should be back in stock in roughly a weeks time.

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    Bump! I've added some more stuff today, let me know what you think guys.

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