- 02-21-2008, 09:35 PM
- 02-26-2008, 07:23 PM
need help with what to use for havoc cycle
Trauma1 could you give me some help on setting up the perfect cycle with havoc. what would you recommend i use for pre, during and post cycle to make sure im completely covered. Thanks
- 03-02-2008, 01:11 AM
03-02-2008, 01:19 AM
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
03-02-2008, 01:04 PM
Thanks for replying, i will check out other threads and see what i can come up with. I didnt know if you had more experience in this and had something you preferred more than the other or not. Again thanks
03-02-2008, 01:42 PM
Ok, after reading about other cycle support i have come to the conclusion i will use Cycle support while on havoc thruout the whole cycle. And post cycle will consist of Post Cycle support and Diesel test hardcore, along with creatine. Does this sound good while running havoc at 10/30/30/30. I would appreciate all the input you guys can give me on this. Thanks
03-02-2008, 02:31 PM
03-02-2008, 03:03 PM
I agree don't waste a week at 10 as you will not see anything significant. I felt the most gains came from 40mg but so did the sides so see first how 30 will do for you then go with how your body responds...if I were you I'd go for a SERM in PCT since that is the holy grail of PCT now-a-days. Some would even say it's a necessity. Cycle Support is a must but start it 2 weeks or so prior to starting your cycle, through your cycle, continue through PCT, and few weeks or so beyond after your PCT is finished...
03-02-2008, 04:09 PM
03-02-2008, 08:29 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Trauma i am planning on running this straight cycle. Id like to run a SERM but the stuff is impossible to get ahold of. Any helpfull info on something near as good being i cant get this.
03-05-2008, 08:55 PM
This is what i have come to a conclusion on after researching the web for about 6hrs. So many different people saying so many different ways. How does this sound to you guys.
Cycle Support- during cycle
Liver Longer- during and after cycle
cissus- 3 wks before, during and after cycle
Post cylce Support- after cycle for 6 wks
Diesel test- after cycle for 4 wks
6 oxo- after cycle 4 wks--------Different opinions on this
Size-On creatine- after cycle
Any other recommendations please let me know. I cant seem to get ahold of a SERM Online so unless someone can hook me up that is un realistic for me. But i wish i had one.
And of course taking daily Multi's and Protein.
03-05-2008, 09:12 PM
03-05-2008, 09:14 PM
again...cycle support through PCT also...if you end up finding and using a SERM for PCT...then cycle support use should go into PCT and few weeks or so beyond...
03-05-2008, 09:33 PM
03-05-2008, 09:35 PM
03-05-2008, 09:38 PM
Is there a board sponsor who carrys "research chems"..
The list goes on and on...
Most boards have a sponsor of the sorts.. I can post various companys that you can purchase these from which is openly discussed on most boards, but I dont know if that goes against the rules here.. soo...
03-05-2008, 09:42 PM
03-05-2008, 10:02 PM
03-06-2008, 08:09 AM
03-06-2008, 09:09 AM
Though personally I wouldn't see anything wrong with doing it PM...
03-06-2008, 09:16 AM
03-06-2008, 01:01 PM
03-06-2008, 01:15 PM
03-07-2008, 12:43 AM
03-07-2008, 05:45 PM
03-09-2008, 03:50 PM
I am wondering why it is believed that cycle support should be run after cycle during PCT? Considering the fact, that you will not be putting Havoc into your system during PCT, why do you feel you would need the supplements included in cycle support for PCT? Do you think that taking Post cycle support will not be sufficient enough to counteract the effects sustained during immediate post cycle?
03-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Someone please correct me if this is not correct.
03-09-2008, 11:00 PM
It's more of a safety measure if anything but if you were using a SERM, you'd should def consider running CS through PCT as a SERM is still just as stressful on the liver but overall I think you're missing the point of what each of these products do or should I safely say what they are intended to do for us...
POST cycle support is supposed to help you recover and retain your gains while CS is supposed to help protect/relieve stress on the organs affected by doing steroids (injectable or oral)
Including on top of that, our bodies don't just repair and forget what stress we just put ourselves through. Yes the compound can still remain active a day/few days later depending on half-life duration and what-not but our bodies need time to get back to normal I guess if you want to say that and it is just an extra measure to ease it back to good health as it takes time...hence continuing through PCT and if using SERM I'd recommend few weeks after PCT but that is just me and that is what I do...again for safe measure...when it comes to my body and organs...I'd like to help them out and 40 extra bucks is not that much in this regard...
03-09-2008, 11:52 PM
03-10-2008, 05:46 PM
I've searched high and low but still seem unable to get ahold of any torem. I've found nolva and already have some ready for pct, but after reading I'm thinking I want to still try for the torem. Can some kind person help me "search" for it?
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