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    New Sustain Alpha Info?


    Just wondering why the new directions on Sus Alpha say to cycle 5 days on and 2 off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    Just wondering why the new directions on Sus Alpha say to cycle 5 days on and 2 off?
    Its recommended to maximize the sensitivity of the GnRH receptors and leydig cells…

    Basically, the 2 days off gives your body a chance to become responsive to the LH & FSH stimulation again, so you can reap the maximum benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Its recommended to maximize the sensitivity of the GnRH receptors and leydig cells…

    Basically, the 2 days off gives your body a chance to become responsive to the LH & FSH stimulation again, so you can reap the maximum benefit.

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    I see, so could one switch to another agent in those off days? One perhaps that does not work via opoid modulation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    I see, so could one switch to another agent in those off days? One perhaps that does not work via opoid modulation?
    I suppose, but I honestly don’t know exactly how a lot of these herbal T boosters work… in fact I don’t think anyone really does.

    What where you thinking?

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    Recognize this 5 on, 2 off micro-cycle from another company's recommendations for what I think is a similar product.

    Do we know if 5 on-2 off means exactly what it says or if it is just a total of 5&2, as in the two off days can be separated into two single off days, like, say, 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off with equal effect?

    Putting that another way, how would you recommend the on days and the off days coincide with training days, off and on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    I suppose, but I honestly don’t know exactly how a lot of these herbal T boosters work… in fact I don’t think anyone really does.

    What where you thinking?

    -Eric
    I was looking to use T-Bol as it has a lot of good feedback. But now you got me thinking - any mechanism of elevating T is going to eventually down regulate, so best case would IMHO to cycle Sustain Alpha and then switch to another mechanism of action. Plus is 2 days in a row really long enough for keeping sensitivity high? I wonder what is better - 4 weeks on straight and then switch to something else, or 5 on/2 off indefinately?
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    Can I throw some 7-OXO in sustain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupont View Post
    Recognize this 5 on, 2 off micro-cycle from another company's recommendations for what I think is a similar product.

    Do we know if 5 on-2 off means exactly what it says or if it is just a total of 5&2, as in the two off days can be separated into two single off days, like, say, 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off with equal effect?

    Putting that another way, how would you recommend the on days and the off days coincide with training days, off and on?
    It wouldn’t make a difference on training days IMO.

    You can cycle the product anyway that best fits your schedule. We found 5 days on, 2 days off is probably easiest for most people working a 5 day work week.

    Doing something like 2 days on, 1 off though probably wouldn’t be enough “off” time since you will still have some residual Sustain absorbing topically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by he_hate_me View Post
    Can I throw some 7-OXO in sustain?
    You wouldn’t want to do this. Sustain is totally maxed out solubility wise.

    We sell the topical solution alone for this though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    You wouldn’t want to do this. Sustain is totally maxed out solubility wise.

    We sell the topical solution alone for this though...

    -Eric
    And you should be able to pick up the topical solution at NP pretty soon, but until then
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    I am on HRT for the past 3 months, I use 75mg of test. cream. I had blood work done and my DHEA level was really low, I did not notice any benefits from the cream to date, but after adding 50mg of oral DHEA, I feel alot better. My question is would adding the new Sustain be a better option that oral DHEA.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    I am on HRT for the past 3 months, I use 75mg of test. cream. I had blood work done and my DHEA level was really low, I did not notice any benefits from the cream to date, but after adding 50mg of oral DHEA, I feel alot better. My question is would adding the new Sustain be a better option that oral DHEA.....
    Well I think Dermacrine would be a better option than oral DHEA if your main goal is to increase DHEA.

    Are you having certain symptoms you are trying to remedy? Sustain may be better for libido purposes…

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    Yea, the libido is one thing thats not really responding to the T cream, any suggestions on how to apply other than the usual 5 on 2 off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    Yea, the libido is one thing thats not really responding to the T cream, any suggestions on how to apply other than the usual 5 on 2 off...
    You can try the 3 on, 3 off protocol [6 pumps] as a way to extend the bottle out and still reap positive benefits..... the libido related benefits should be become obvious within a few days.

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    Cool, we will see what happens.......
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    How old is safe to use sustain aplha? I know it effects the endocryne system but dont really see how it would do harm, just wondering whether its safe to use at 17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    How old is safe to use sustain aplha? I know it effects the endocryne system but dont really see how it would do harm, just wondering whether its safe to use at 17
    Well it won't hurt your endocrine system (ProHormones and steroids will do that for you ) but the usefulness will be rather limited. Your money would probably be better spent on more staple supplements in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    [I]s 2 days in a row really long enough for keeping sensitivity high? I wonder what is better - 4 weeks on straight and then switch to something else, or 5 on/2 off indefinately?
    Bump. This is a good question that I never saw an answer to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    Bump. This is a good question that I never saw an answer to.
    I would guess the 2 days off would be sufficient. This is the general recommendation for LH/FSh boosters stimulators with a relatively short half-life.

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    Phytoestrogen Resveratrol Suppresses Steroidogenesis by Rat Adrenocortical Cells by Inhibiting Cytochrome P450 c21-Hydroxylase




    "Corticosterone production was inhibited 47% by 50 µM resveratrol in vitro and 20% ex vivo, while progesterone production was elevated to 400% of the control value in in vitro experiments"



    I never knew Resvertrol increased Progesterone and lowered Cortisol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
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    Phytoestrogen Resveratrol Suppresses Steroidogenesis by Rat Adrenocortical Cells by Inhibiting Cytochrome P450 c21-Hydroxylase




    "Corticosterone production was inhibited 47% by 50 µM resveratrol in vitro and 20% ex vivo, while progesterone production was elevated to 400% of the control value in in vitro experiments"



    I never knew Resvertrol increased Progesterone and lowered Cortisol.
    Sounds like a good combo for those concerned about hairloss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    Sounds like a good combo for those concerned about hairloss.

    That sounds like a disaster to me. People dont need there Cortisol lowered its a very important hormone. People dont walk around with high Cortisol levels constantly, more people have lower levels from stress not high. This Cortisol lowering fad is bad news. Any time ive tried things that lower Cortisol its been a disaster.



    Progesterone is also bad news its very hard to get rid of once your levels go up. Its stored in fat tissue are hard to get rid of. It also mimicks Cortisol at the receptor sites and can cause low Cortisol symptoms and also cause bloating and fat gain.



    Anytime ive tried anything with Pregnenolone in it ( converts to progesterone ) its been a disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    That sounds like a disaster to me. People dont need there Cortisol lowered its a very important hormone. People dont walk around with high Cortisol levels constantly, more people have lower levels from stress not high. This Cortisol lowering fad is bad news. Any time ive tried things that lower Cortisol its been a disaster.
    You're joking, yes? Virtually everyone you will ever meet, including yourself, is experiencing excessive cortisol secretion from psychological and physiological stress in his or her daily life. Eventually this constant state of high(er) cortisol release overworks the adrenal glands and they tire, producing less adrenal hormone (including cortisol). In other words, almost everyone who has deficient cortisol levels was put there by a long period of excessive cortisol secretion. It is somewhat like Type I diabetes in this regard.

    As such, taking something that lowers cortisol levels, like reducing stress, would be a good way to avoid adrenal fatigue. But I agree, once you got adrenal fatigue, lowering cortisol is probably not a good strategy. It sounds like you have adrenal fatigue.

    Progesterone is also bad news its very hard to get rid of once your levels go up. Its stored in fat tissue are hard to get rid of. It also mimicks Cortisol at the receptor sites and can cause low Cortisol symptoms and also cause bloating and fat gain.

    Anytime ive tried anything with Pregnenolone in it ( converts to progesterone ) its been a disaster.
    Progesterone/pregnenolone are some of the body's best natural anti-inflammatories. In addition, progesterone inhibits 5-alpha reductase, which is a huge for hairloss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC;
    ...Progesterone/pregnenolone are some of the body's best natural anti-inflammatories. In addition, progesterone inhibits 5-alpha reductase, which is a huge for hairloss.
    Could you clarify this? 5-AR inhibition correlates with lower expression of DHT, producing a favourable environment for (head) hair growth (and an unfavourable environment for body-hair growth).
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    "As such, taking something that lowers cortisol levels, like reducing stress, would be a good way to avoid adrenal fatigue. But I agree, once you got adrenal fatigue, lowering cortisol is probably not a good strategy. It sounds like you have adrenal fatigue."


    Hmmmm, this is a very interesting perspective. So it would be better to address adrenal fatigue FIRST before using SA or other supps that lower cortisol?

    Then the question becomes, what's the best way to address adrenal fatigue? I would think limiting the negative effects of stress would be part of the solution - this would imply the use of some sort of cortisol reduction supplement.

    Ok - now I'm confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Could you clarify this? 5-AR inhibition correlates with lower expression of DHT, producing a favourable environment for (head) hair growth (and an unfavourable environment for body-hair growth).
    Sorry, "huge" as in "hugely positive." In other words, a substance that inhibits 5-AR, as you point out, would be hugely beneficial for those fighting loss of head hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC;
    Sorry, "huge" as in "hugely positive." In other words, a substance that inhibits 5-AR, as you point out, would be hugely beneficial for those fighting loss of head hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyc33 View Post
    "As such, taking something that lowers cortisol levels, like reducing stress, would be a good way to avoid adrenal fatigue. But I agree, once you got adrenal fatigue, lowering cortisol is probably not a good strategy. It sounds like you have adrenal fatigue."


    Hmmmm, this is a very interesting perspective. So it would be better to address adrenal fatigue FIRST before using SA or other supps that lower cortisol?

    Then the question becomes, what's the best way to address adrenal fatigue? I would think limiting the negative effects of stress would be part of the solution - this would imply the use of some sort of cortisol reduction supplement.

    Ok - now I'm confused.
    This is a good question, and I definitely don't have all the answers. I think the short answer is that, before you have adrenal fatigue, anything that promotes a modest reduction in cortisol (or, if you prefer, does not stimulate its release) is probably a good thing.

    Our body is, by evolutionary design, a bit oversensitive to the prospect of a famine or other disaster. Stress because we're starving or because we are stuck in traffic and late for a meeting looks the same to the body. The problem is that while cortisol does something helpful in the former scenario (down regulates metabolism, catabolizes metabolically expensive lean tissue for fuel, etc.), it does nothing in the latter.

    Obviously, in this day and age, we face much more of the sort of harmless, psychological stress. Blunting the cortisol release in that instance would probably not be a terrible thing, because the cortisol really has nothing to do (no inflammation to quench, no famine to prepare for). You are, in other words, lowering cortisol that is unnecessarily high.

    When adrenal fatigue sets in, however, the game changes. In that instance, the body can't supply enough cortisol to meet the requirements for daily activities. As such, suppressing cortisol (with a supplement) would further exacerbate the deficiency. Often times, people with adrenal fatigue are given synthetic cortisol like Cortef. I suspect this has two functions: One, obviously, is to supply the much needed cortisol (i.e., to raise cortisol that is dangerously too low). But the addition of synthetic cortisol may also give the adrenal gland a chance to rest and eventually resume its normal function.

    As you can see, though, limiting stress is always a good idea because it is an unnecessary call for cortisol release. Ideally, you would only want your body to call for cortisol when it is really necessary and have adrenals that are able to respond to that call.

    I also think that it is useful to avoid things that overly stimulate the adrenals, such as caffeine and other stimulants. Overtraining is also a bad idea. In general, we all endure too much stress, train too much, and use too many stimulants. When adrenal fatigue sets in, I think the answer may simply be a dedicated reduction of stress-inducing activities, stimulants, lots of rest, and in some cases, perhaps a synthetic cortisol preparation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    This is a good question, and I definitely don't have all the answers. I think the short answer is that, before you have adrenal fatigue, anything that promotes a modest reduction in cortisol (or, if you prefer, does not stimulate its release) is probably a good thing.

    Our body is, by evolutionary design, a bit oversensitive to the prospect of a famine or other disaster. Stress because we're starving or because we are stuck in traffic and late for a meeting looks the same to the body. The problem is that while cortisol does something helpful in the former scenario (down regulates metabolism, catabolizes metabolically expensive lean tissue for fuel, etc.), it does nothing in the latter.

    Obviously, in this day and age, we face much more of the sort of harmless, psychological stress. Blunting the cortisol release in that instance would probably not be a terrible thing, because the cortisol really has nothing to do (no inflammation to quench, no famine to prepare for). You are, in other words, lowering cortisol that is unnecessarily high.

    When adrenal fatigue sets in, however, the game changes. In that instance, the body can't supply enough cortisol to meet the requirements for daily activities. As such, suppressing cortisol (with a supplement) would further exacerbate the deficiency. Often times, people with adrenal fatigue are given synthetic cortisol like Cortef. I suspect this has two functions: One, obviously, is to supply the much needed cortisol (i.e., to raise cortisol that is dangerously too low). But the addition of synthetic cortisol may also give the adrenal gland a chance to rest and eventually resume its normal function.

    As you can see, though, limiting stress is always a good idea because it is an unnecessary call for cortisol release. Ideally, you would only want your body to call for cortisol when it is really necessary and have adrenals that are able to respond to that call.
    I also think that it is useful to avoid things that overly stimulate the adrenals, such as caffeine and other stimulants. Overtraining is also a bad idea. In general, we all endure too much stress, train too much, and use too many stimulants. When adrenal fatigue sets in, I think the answer may simply be a dedicated reduction of stress-inducing activities, stimulants, lots of rest, and in some cases, perhaps a synthetic cortisol preparation.



    No im not koing at all. This would only be in aperfect world im afraid.


    Cortisol is needed all the time. Cortisol is needed to carry thyroid hormones from your blood into the cells. When you have naturally high normal thyroid levels like me, you need even more Cortisol because thyroid hormones especially T3 clear Cortisol from your system faster.



    I dont beleive most people have high Cortisol levels from stress and if they do as soon as you calm down your Cortisol levels will lower again. It is very unneccecary to take something like Resveratrol or any other Cortisol lowering product unless you KNOW you have high Cortisol from doing saliva testing and knowing WHEN your Cortisol shoots high.



    Lots of people have food allergies and food sensativities because of LOW Cortisol. Lots of people have these problems improve on Cortisol.



    Pregnenolone and Progesterone are not as powerfull anti-inflammatories as Cortisol is, by FAR and i know this not only from research but from personal experience.


    Too much Pregnenolone caused somebody that visits an adrenal help group a heart attack.


    Ive been through mounds of stress in my life and ive never had a problem. As soon as that stressfull day is over and you get some sleep, everything returns back to normal.



    Your body or emotions have to go through a real SHOCK to get adrenal fatigue, or you have to be under CONSTANT chronic stress, no sleep ever, bad diet,ect. For MOST people this is not the case.



    When i blew out my adrenals with stimulants, i thought from all the high Cortisol hype on the internet that i had high Cortisol, when i did ZRT labs saliva testing it turned out that i had LOW Cortisol. When Cortisol is low it makes you hypothyroid because Cortisol is needed to carry thyroid hormones into the cells, and also you are in a state of constant inflamation as Cortisol is the best natural anti-inflammatory hormone.



    There are a couple of older people i know that i did a Blood Pressure test on, sitting to standing blood pressure and your Systolic numbers should rise atleast 10 points whe standing. Both of there's dropped when standing indicating adrenal fatigue.



    It is stimated that around 85% of people in New York City suffer from adrenal fatigue.



    People drink coffee all day long which trashed the adrenals and when they need their "morning coffee" to get them going you can bet they screwed their adrenals up.



    Simply taking something like Resveratrol doesnt protect anybody from adrenal fatigue just by preventing your Cortisol from shooting too high. Thats not the way it works your still can trash your adrenal glands. Your body NEEDS to be able to release as much Cortisol as it needs and if your taking a Cortisol lowering product then that can be dangerous because your body is releasing that Cortisol for an important reason the human body isnt stupid.



    Resveratrol isnt an adaptogen like an herb like Ashwagandha is. Something like Ashwagandha is a good thing to take if you are stressed out out because it will lower Cortisol when it gets too high and increase it when its too low. It adapts to your bodies needs.



    People dont walk around with high Cortisol levels all day long. A lot of people have irregular pattens when at 8am they can have low levels and later in the day have high levels.


    This lowering Cortisol thing is a serious bunch of Crap unless you get your 8am, 12pm, 5pm, and 12am Cortisol levels tested by saliva and they all come back high, which is extremely rare.



    The best thing to do is only take something like phosphatidylserine at the time when your Cortisol levels are high assuming you dont have LOW Cortisol at any other time of the day. When you are developing adrenal fatigue your Cortisol patterns will stay the same and only get lower and lower across the boards.



    If you have low Cortisol in the monring and high Cortisol in the evening taking something like 10mg of Cortef in the monring will raise your low monring Cortisol, allow the adrenals to rest and repair, and this will bring down the high evening Cortisol levels aswell.



    To avoid adrenal fatigue you have to cut out everything that is putting a stress on them and support them with the proper nutrition, vitamins and minerals. Simply taking something like Reveratrol to lower Cortisol will not work at all.



    Plus the fact that stress damages the thyroid aswell and there is nothing you can do to prevent that.



    The best thing you can do if you are a stressed out person is take lots of vitamin c, b12 and b complex, lots of freshly juiced green juices, adaptagenic herbs like Ashwagandha that help your body adapt to stress, stay away from ALL stimulants, chemicals,ect.



    Daily stress or an argument wont raise your Cortisol levels so high that they would show up HIGH on a saliva test and like i said they will come down after you calm down and repair when you sleep.



    BTW i speak from personal experience with all of this. Ive ben the guinny pig with all this and luckily i found a doctor who has run lots of blood work, saliva testing, prescribes me Cortef, had before and after blood work, i test my own sitting and standing blood pressure at home, have tried a slew of products,ect.




    About the Progesterone, you dont even know how many times on these boards and others ive seen these guys post there blood work showing HIGH Progesterone levels and them saying how they feel the worst even and have a long list of horrible symptoms.



    Sure its good for hairloss but so is Propecia and there is no difference between Progesterones effects on hairloss and Propecia's, they both lower DHT levels but ive gotton worse side effects from Progesterone than Propecia.



    My Progesterone levels were 7 ( range 1-8 ), so if i took Resveratrol and raised my Progesterone levels 400% that would leave me with sky high Progesterone levels that would be a real bitch to lower as it stays in the body and fat tissues for a long time once there. Plus it block your own Cortisol from working and entering the cells but Progesterone doesnt carry thyroid hormones from the blood to the cells only Cortisol does that.
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    For anybody interested in adrenal fatigue at all, this is a must read [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Adrenal-Fatigue-Century-Stress-Syndrome/dp/1890572152/ref=pd_sim_b_3"]Amazon.com: Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome: James L. Wilson, Johnathan V. Wright: Books[/ame] . The problem is more widespread than people realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
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    Phytoestrogen Resveratrol Suppresses Steroidogenesis by Rat Adrenocortical Cells by Inhibiting Cytochrome P450 c21-Hydroxylase




    "Corticosterone production was inhibited 47% by 50 µM resveratrol in vitro and 20% ex vivo, while progesterone production was elevated to 400% of the control value in in vitro experiments"



    I never knew Resvertrol increased Progesterone and lowered Cortisol.

    I don’t have time to jump into a cortisol requirement argument right now but…

    Rats have different cytochromes enzymes than humans, and that was only testing adrenal cell influence, not testicular influence ….you can’t really apply any of this info to humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    I don’t have time to jump into a cortisol requirement argument right now but…

    Rats have different cytochromes enzymes than humans, and that was only testing adrenal cell influence, not testicular influence ….you can’t really apply any of this info to humans.

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    Well i know all about Cortisol requirments, Nobody can tell me anything regarding this that i dont know or havent experienced pesonally myself.


    We ALL need Cortisol levels in the normal range for optimal health. And testing has to be done with a 4 times per day saliva test.


    8am Cortisol levels should be at the top of the normal range, same with noon Cortisol levels. 4-5pm Cortisol levels can be at the middle of normal range same with midnight Cortisol levels. This is for optimal health. Im living breathing experience on how much Cortisol is required to function optimally. Thyroid levels are also important as they go hand in hand with adrenals. Free T4 should be midrange and Free T3 top of the high normal range to slightly over.




    As far as the rats, thats cool, i was just curious because im interested in Resveratrol, but i dont want to touch it if its going to lower Cortisol and increase Progesterone. Nobody needs there Cortisol levels lowered unless they test high For Cortisol and something should only be taken at the time of day your Cortisol pattern goes high if all other Cortisol patterns are normal at all other times of the day. If people taking Cortisol lowering products or drugs had normal Cortisol levels in the first place, they wont feel to good after a little while, they will start to feel the negative effects of low Cortisol. Before testing mt levels i assumed i had high Cortisol so i took Cortisol lowering products and got sick and felt the worst ive ever felt.


    HC can be used to treat high Cortisol as dosed properly will actually lower Cortisol levels. High Cortisol is the stage before adrenal fatigue and Cortef HC allows the adrenals to rest and repair, supporting them before they burn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Well i know all about Cortisol requirments, Nobody can tell me anything regarding this that i dont know or havent experienced pesonally myself.


    We ALL need Cortisol levels in the normal range for optimal health. And testing has to be done with a 4 times per day saliva test.


    8am Cortisol levels should be at the top of the normal range, same with noon Cortisol levels. 4-5pm Cortisol levels can be at the middle of normal range same with midnight Cortisol levels. This is for optimal health. Im living breathing experience on how much Cortisol is required to function optimally. Thyroid levels are also important as they go hand in hand with adrenals. Free T4 should be midrange and Free T3 top of the high normal range to slightly over.




    As far as the rats, thats cool, i was just curious because im interested in Resveratrol, but i dont want to touch it if its going to lower Cortisol and increase Progesterone. Nobody needs there Cortisol levels lowered unless they test high For Cortisol and something should only be taken at the time of day your Cortisol pattern goes high if all other Cortisol patterns are normal at all other times of the day. If people taking Cortisol lowering products or drugs had normal Cortisol levels in the first place, they wont feel to good after a little while, they will start to feel the negative effects of low Cortisol. Before testing mt levels i assumed i had high Cortisol so i took Cortisol lowering products and got sick and felt the worst ive ever felt.


    HC can be used to treat high Cortisol as dosed properly will actually lower Cortisol levels. High Cortisol is the stage before adrenal fatigue and Cortef HC allows the adrenals to rest and repair, supporting them before they burn out.

    A cortisol lowering drug is not the same as a dietary nutrient that will lower cortisol. [protein for instance]

    I have no doubt you understand the importance of cortisol are are familiar with having side-effects from too low/high cortisol, but your broad spaning fear of “lowing cortisol” stems from a mis-understanding of the function and proper rhythm of cortisol release… as it is for a lot of people.

    I’ll be writing a full review on cortisol, insulin and possibly thyroid in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    A cortisol lowering drug is not the same as a dietary nutrient that will lower cortisol. [protein for instance]

    I have no doubt you understand the importance of cortisol are are familiar with having side-effects from too low/high cortisol, but your broad spaning fear of “lowing cortisol” stems from a mis-understanding of the function and proper rhythm of cortisol release… as it is for a lot of people.

    I’ll be writing a full review on cortisol, insulin and possibly thyroid in the near future.

    -Eric


    No im fully aware of the function and proper rhythm of Cortisol release.








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    No im fully aware of the function and proper rhythm of Cortisol release.


    Thats why i dont think anybody should take anything that lowers Cortisol without checking their Cortisol levels at 8am - 12pm - 4 or 5pm - and midnight first. Its not wise to start messing with these hormones without knowing what your levels are and when. I dont think its wise to start messing with this hormone. When my levels were low i put muscle without even trying but i felt like ****. To protect from stress and high Cortisol levels that can happen anytime after training, when you are stresses,ect, adapagenic herbs are best along with plenty of multi B vitamins, vitamin c,ect.


    This gives the proper picture of your daily Cortisol rhythms and along with monring DHEA-S levels to give a picture to how your adrenals are functioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    No im fully aware of the function and proper rhythm of Cortisol release.


    Thats why i dont think anybody should take anything that lowers Cortisol without checking their Cortisol levels at 8am - 12pm - 4 or 5pm - and midnight first. Its not wise to start messing with these hormones without knowing what your levels are and when. I dont think its wise to start messing with this hormone. When my levels were low i put muscle without even trying but i felt like ****. To protect from stress and high Cortisol levels that can happen anytime after training, when you are stresses,ect, adapagenic herbs are best along with plenty of multi B vitamins, vitamin c,ect.


    This gives the proper picture of your daily Cortisol rhythms and along with monring DHEA-S levels to give a picture to how your adrenals are functioning.
    Eating protein will lower cortisol, are you suggesting this is a bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Eating protein will lower cortisol, are you suggesting this is a bad idea?

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    Not to the extent that will show up a significant difference on a saliva test.
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    sustain alpha


    hey could i use this product while taking tri city chemicals spawn in an attempt to help with libido? Also to help slowdown the shutdown process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Not to the extent that will show up a significant difference on a saliva test.
    You sure? Try not eating protein for a couple weeks and then re-check your cortisol. The point Eric and I are making is that a great many things lower cortisol, yet no reasonable person would consider them a problem (e.g., avoiding psychological stress, getting adequate sleep, eating sufficient nutrients, avoiding too much exercise, avoiding infections). If you have no problem with those, why do you question nutritional things (e.g., resveratrol, PS) which also help lower cortisol levels? Unless you believe that we should all be going around doing everything possible to raise cortisol. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    You sure? Try not eating protein for a couple weeks and then re-check your cortisol. The point Eric and I are making is that a great many things lower cortisol, yet no reasonable person would consider them a problem (e.g., avoiding psychological stress, getting adequate sleep, eating sufficient nutrients, avoiding too much exercise, avoiding infections). If you have no problem with those, why do you question nutritional things (e.g., resveratrol, PS) which also help lower cortisol levels? Unless you believe that we should all be going around doing everything possible to raise cortisol. . .

    Yeah im sure, i DO eat protein regularily and i do test my blood pressure here at my house, sitting to standing blood pressure to check if my adrenals are supported and Cortisol levels are good, and even eating 6 scoops per day, 150 grams of protein from this alone, doesnt lower my Cortisol levels enough for it to make a significant differance. I check my blood pressure 3 times per day at the same times everyday. This way i can see what helps or hurts my adrenals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Yeah im sure, i DO eat protein regularily and i do test my blood pressure here at my house, sitting to standing blood pressure to check if my adrenals are supported and Cortisol levels are good, and even eating 6 scoops per day, 150 grams of protein from this alone, doesnt lower my Cortisol levels enough for it to make a significant differance. I check my blood pressure 3 times per day at the same times everyday. This way i can see what helps or hurts my adrenals.
    You didn't understand what I'm saying. If you want to see a change in cortisol based on protein, try not eating it AT ALL for a couple weeks and re-test.
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