Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

ok. thanx for the advice. hopfully it is temporary. it came out of knowere and built throughout the day

i just ran out of zma. i take sesathin, i was taking tribulus up until last sunday. thats about it.

I appreciate your help.

Any NO products? If so, you might consider dropping them until you get your hormones re-balanced. Some people report prolactin issues associated with high NO use concurrent with other products that are skewing their base hormonal balance. I don't know if there is an veracity to this but given your situation, it would seem like a good idea to eliminate anything which might be contributing to the problem.

ability,
if I was you, i will keep away from any supplement including zma. Like yeahright said, wait until the hormanal level at back to normal before continuing the use of supplements. Just keep taking the nolva and the cabergoline and of course hormne free protein and some creatine if you want.

i was taking an NO product. Im done with zma. I was going to start using jungle warfare and rem next week. That wouldn't be a good idea correct? I also smoke pot sometimes, probably shouldn't do that also right?

I will be using igf-1, that will that be ok?

just cab, and nolva at 60mg ed?

the lump on my right is just outside my nipple.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

i was taking an NO product. Im done with zma. I was going to start using jungle warfare and rem next week. That wouldn't be a good idea correct? I also smoke pot sometimes, probably shouldn't do that also right?

I will be using igf-1, that will that be ok?

just cab, and nolva at 60mg ed?

the lump on my right is just outside my nipple.

Dude, my advice (and it's only the advice of a random stranger from the internet) is to stop taking anything excpt thos eitems designed to address your problem. Your hormones are out of whack. Get them back into normal ranges before you start thinking about messing with them again.

i also recently started taking adderol, and melatonin. can these be contributing at all?

what is the verdict on
igf-1
jungle warfare
Rem
lean extreme
albutorol?

I planned on starting all these monday.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

i also recently started taking adderol, and melatonin. can these be contributing at all?

what is the verdict on
igf-1
jungle warfare
Rem
lean extreme
albutorol?

I planned on starting all these monday.

You're joking right?

I don't like supplementation of melatonin. It can really whack out your sleep schedule if you take the standard 3 mgs caps for too long.
It supresses your indeginous melatonin production.

what we have here is a supp- whore

yeah right, i planned on taking those granted i had no gyno problem.

I'm trying to find out which of these will not effect my gyno.

take it easy skull, theres guys taking more then that. cute post though.

thanx again.

Yeah - I agree. I am a supp ho.

I'm still lactating also. I've been using cabergoline for 2 weeks now.
I also have letro. this sucks.

any help will be appreciated, thank you.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

I'm still lactating also. I've been using cabergoline for 2 weeks now.
I also have letro. this sucks.

any help will be appreciated, thank you.

This is my freakin point: YOU'RE LACTATING!

Doesn't this strike you as a problem that you need to get under control?

Doesn't throwing into your body a whole bunch of new chemicals seem like a terrible idea when you cannot even get your hormones under enough control to STOP LACTATING?

A man lactating is a symptom of a serious hormonal imbalance. Focus on getting that fixed before you start playing with your hormones anymore.

yea right, thanx again.

I'm not going to take anything i listed.

Originally Posted by yeahright

This is my freakin point: YOU'RE LACTATING!

Doesn't this strike you as a problem that you need to get under control?

Doesn't throwing into your body a whole bunch of new chemicals seem like a terrible idea when you cannot even get your hormones under enough control to STOP LACTATING?

A man lactating is a symptom of a serious hormonal imbalance. Focus on getting that fixed before you start playing with your hormones anymore.

Bump for that.

And abiliyt, you should stop smoking pot. There are studies that show that smokling pot can lead to gyno. Take care of your problem first and we'll worry about the rest later after your hormanal balance is back to normal. I don't think you would like to be a huge dude but with big tits, wearing a bra and breast feeding your child. How you feel about that? Your health should be your numero UNO priority bro.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

i also recently started taking adderol, and melatonin. can these be contributing at all?

what is the verdict on
igf-1
jungle warfare
Rem
lean extreme
albutorol?

I planned on starting all these monday.

As for the melatonin supplementation, if you are having truble sleeping i suggest you try out Valerian root supplemetation. The smell is pretty strong but it works really good and it does not have the negative side of indeginous melatonin suppression.

Agreed. Those caps smell really, really, really bad.

thanx again guys, i gotta stop being stupid.

Its just rough not getting the gains i could.

I suggest gettin' thee to a doctor. An endocrinologist.

(But, there is a good chance they'll merely prescribe cabergoline -which you are already taking....)

Originally Posted by jmh80

Agreed. Those caps smell really, really, really bad.

Valerian smells like old sneakers.....but it works.

Melatonin works very well for me as well even in tiny does (fraction of a pill). I have one bottle of high-end melatonin I've been nursing for years (keep breaking the pills into fragments and using those).

"Yeah right, no matter what, we air tight. When you hear somethin', make sure you hear it right." - words of wisdom from Diddy.

Yeah, that is what you are supposed to do with melatonin. But, I didn't hear that until about 6 months ago.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

i also recently started taking adderol, and melatonin. can these be contributing at all?

what is the verdict on
igf-1
jungle warfare
Rem
lean extreme
albutorol?

I planned on starting all these monday.

Lean Xtreme is slightly anti-estrogenic, so that may be ok, I dont know about the others listed.

I was told melatonin has estrogenic properties, I dont know if this is tru, but if it is you shouldn't take it.

Start eating organic broccli everyday, drink decaffinated green tea, switch to organic milk+beef, eat organic red grapes.

Also b-6 has been proven to reduce prolactin, there is a study on pubmed, so get some b6, I dont know the dosages.

I also read one time that Tumeric(curcumin, available at NP) provided some men with releif for gyno symptoms, and vitex is supposedly anti-prolactin aswell.

All good suggestions in this thread, but if your problem is really bad, it's time to go to the doctor.

thank you

I've been using b6 for 3-4 weeks now.

My new lump came up about 4-5 days after i started taking melatonin, thats the only thing i changed. so i don't think i'm going to mess with it.

how would i explain this to a doctor?
although i think cissus was the cause.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

thanx again guys, i gotta stop being stupid.

Its just rough not getting the gains i could.

Hey man, let me level with you. You are young and inpatient. That's cool. I know I was too at your age, and learned many things the hard way. I still do stupid **** in fact, even as old as I am! So trust me, life is hard enough without ****ing it up every now and again just because you can or you get impatient. Drop all the drugs and supps you absolutely don't need to survive, and focus on the lactation issue. You are young and probably have many years to smoke pot or do whatever you want later, but this is a turning point for you right now. Don't say "**** it" and just keep doing what your doing or you will pay a price. Focus on the gyno/lactation. Up the cab dose to 1.0mg every other night if the sides are not too bad the next day (stuffy nose, sedation, upset stomach). Then cut the dose back to 0.5 as soon as you stop lactating.

PS- You can tell me to screw off and get the hell outta your life, and I will because it's your life and not mine, but I'm just tring to help if you wanna be helped.

Originally Posted by ABiLiTY

thank you

I've been using b6 for 3-4 weeks now.

My new lump came up about 4-5 days after i started taking melatonin, thats the only thing i changed. so i don't think i'm going to mess with it.

how would i explain this to a doctor?
although i think cissus was the cause.

---how can you say cissus caused this? you already had gyno before you started and your on alot of other things

dr D -cissus review

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Check it out. There are several compounds in it which are both steroidal and anabolic. I think someone in here with the means should verify whether or not it causes any HPTA suppression. Obviously someone who is preferably not on any prohormones, steroids, AIs, or SERMs.


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The Cissus quadrangularis plant contains high amount of vitamin C, carotene A, anabolic steroidal substance and calcium. As analyzed by Murthy & Sheshadri in 1939, Cissus quadrangularis contained ascorbic acid 479 mg, and carotene 267 units per 100g of freshly prepared paste in addition to calcium oxalate. The Cissus quadrangularis stem contains two asymmetric tetracyclic triterpenoids, onocer-7-ene-3µ,21ß-diol (C30H52O2, mp 200-202°) and onocer-7-ene-3 ß,21µ-diol (C30H52O2, m p 233-34°) and two steroidal principles I (C27H45O, m p 249-52°) and II (C23H41O, m p 136-38°). Presence of ß-sitosterol, d-amyrin and d-amyrone is also reported. 6,7,8,9


The aerial parts of Cissus quadrangularis is found to contain a new asymmetric tetracyclic triterpenoid, 7-oxo-onocer-8-ene-3ß, 21-diol (C30H50O3, mp 235-237°C), seven new compounds viz., 4-hydroxy-2-methyl-tricos-2-en-22-one, 9-methyl-octadec-9-ene, heptadecyl octadecanoate, icosanyl icosanoate, 31-methyl-tritriacontan-1-ol, 7-hydroxy-20-oxo-docosanyl cyclohexane, 31-methyl tritiacontanoic acid along with taraxeryl acetate, friedelan-3-one, taraxerol and iso-pentacosanoic acid have been isolated from Cissus quadrangularis.

Analysis of the air-dried Cissus quadrangularis plant reported to contain moisture, 13.1; protein, 12.8; fat and wax, 1.0; fibre, 15.6; carbohydrates, 36.6; mucilage and pectins, 1.2; and ash, 18.2%11. The ash formed from the Cissus quadrangularis contains mostly carbonates, and to a smaller extent phosphates of sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium. Presence of potassium tartarate is also reported. The Cissus quadrangularis stem is also reported to contain a water-soluble glucoside that produces a fall in blood pressure in anaesthetized cats.

Fresh stems of Cissus quadrangularis produce irritating action on the skin, which may be attributed to the presence of calcium oxalate and 31-methyl tritiacontanoic acid along with taraxeryl acetate, friedelan-3-one, taraxerol and iso-pentacosanoic acid and 31-methyl tritiacontanoic acid alongwith taraxeryl acetate, friedelan-3-one, taraxerol and iso-pentacosanoic acid ---drD I recall you asking for a breakdown of cissus -- anything here that could make gyno flair up?

Originally Posted by DR.D

wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 75mg/d
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 50mg/d
wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 25mg/d
wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d

Dr.D could AX's retain and PCT be used instead of the RXT and LX or are the compounds too different?

Originally Posted by skull

... drD I recall you asking for a breakdown of cissus -- anything here that could make gyno flair up?[/SIZE]

No, not off hand, but some of those compounds are rather obscure. I was only aware of the two 7-ene's and the sitosterol. Very interesting. Reps to skull! I'll have to look into these other steroidals, tetracyclics, terpenes, volatile oils, organic acids, etc! Don't have time right now though, but thanks again. What source did you find this info? I don't like the oxalate in it. Very bad stuff internally. I'd hope there isn't much quantitatively but I didn't see an amount on the above analysis. It is an external irritant as well like you guessed. I'll look into the rest.

Originally Posted by ndfan

Dr.D could AX's retain and post cycle therapy be used instead of the RXT and LX or are the compounds too different?

Retain and Post Cycle Therapy are just two brands with the same ingredients? Or two different products? I have used Retain before but still used RXT as well. I think they are different enough not to substitute for one another.

Originally Posted by DR.D

Retain and Post Cycle Therapy are just two brands with the same ingredients? Or two different products? I have used Retain before but still used RXT as well. I think they are different enough not to substitute for one another.

PCT is ALRI's UltraHotter repackaged under the AX label (active ingredient being mATD).