Running Serm inverse to ADT??

[DR.D]

If you're on short esters and SD, I don't think you really need a PCT. I am worried that we should wait and see what the next round of tests reveal before I suggest anything else my friend.

[ABiLiTY]

ok, i will be getting the tests this week, and will let you know asap.

[DR.D]

ok, i will be getting the tests this week, and will let you know asap.

Please do keep me posted. Don't worry man, we'll get you straightened out somehow.

[ABiLiTY]

i appreciate it.

[somewhatgifted]

ability i cant believe you went back " On " with the continuing problems, this recent series of events should prove as a sort of signal. In the end you will have to live with your self so do as you will but at what cost are you willing to continue regaurdless of what your body is telling you.

[RenegadeRows]

I had a question. With gyno that is produced by progest., and not directly estrogen, what are the signs? Other than actually lactating?

I finished a 3 week PP cycle, been doing PCT for 1.5 weeks. My nipples are still puffy. They aren't sore, or itchy, I've had pre-pubescent gyno and know the signs. I'm thinking it's either fat deposits around my nipples or maybe progest? I'm not showing any signs of lactating. I figure if it was estrogen related puffyness, my nolvadex/ATD would have taken care of it.

40mg Nolva / 25mg ATD week 1
30mg Nolva / 50mg ATD week 2
20mg Nolva / 50mg ATD week 3

[somewhatgifted]

I had a question. With gyno that is produced by progest., and not directly estrogen, what are the signs? Other than actually lactating?

I finished a 3 week PP cycle, been doing post cycle therapy for 1.5 weeks. My nipples are still puffy. They aren't sore, or itchy, I've had pre-pubescent gyno and know the signs. I'm thinking it's either fat deposits around my nipples or maybe progest? I'm not showing any signs of lactating. I figure if it was estrogen related puffyness, my nolvadex/ATD would have taken care of it.

40mg Nolva / 25mg ATD week 1
30mg Nolva / 50mg ATD week 2
20mg Nolva / 50mg ATD week 3

Aye i have some nip puffyness thats residual from my halo cycle 5 months ago. Wondering about using some cab. Maybe im just fatter but the fat deposit, gyno thing could be an issue.

[cobra77]

DR.D anything else you would add to this.

3-4 week PP cycle, using cycle support while on.
I usually take Shock Therapy in the morningings is it ok to use while on cycle?

For PCT Toremifene @

Week 1 - Day 1-2 120mg Tore, Day 3-5 90mg Tore.
Week 2 - 60mg Tore.
Week 3 - 60mg Tore.
week 4 - 30mg Tore.

I was also thinking about adding ActivaTe or Rebound Reloaded.
I also have heard that combining Toremifene/ Aromasin was good to use on PCT?

Thanks.

[ABiLiTY]

Dr D

out of all the things i was\am taking, which hits the prostate the hardest?
mast, sdrol, prop, letro, cab, rebound reloaded? do fat burners or ephedra have any effect?

had the ultra sound today.

thanks again.

[DR.D]

DR.D anything else you would add to this.

3-4 week PP cycle, using cycle support while on.
I usually take Shock Therapy in the morningings is it ok to use while on cycle?

For post cycle therapy Toremifene @

Week 1 - Day 1-2 120mg Tore, Day 3-5 90mg Tore.
Week 2 - 60mg Tore.
Week 3 - 60mg Tore.
week 4 - 30mg Tore.

I was also thinking about adding ActivaTe or Rebound Reloaded.
I also have heard that combining Toremifene/ Aromasin was good to use on PCT?

Thanks.

That looks fine. The Shock Therapy while on is a good idea. You may be able to drop the tor to 30mg by wk3, and add either Aromasin or RR at that point, if not from the very start in progressive doses.

[cobra77]

That looks fine. The Shock Therapy while on is a good idea. You may be able to drop the tor to 30mg by wk3, and add either Aromasin or RR at that point, if not from the very start in progressive doses.

DR.D, Thanks for the info.

[US-Marine]

Hey Cobra, your PCT looks like mine that I'll be running


120mg tor for first 2-3 days then 60mg remainder
45mg
30mg
week 4 I'm introducing Nolva for just a few days to get some of the benefits from that serm. Best of both worlds type of deal. Can't hurt.


Using ALRI's RESTORE starting week 1 in progressive Dosages (Inverse to Serm) 1 cap 2 caps 3 caps etc run that till the bottle is gone

good luck. I'm starting my cycle the 25th

[RenegadeRows]

Hey Cobra, your post cycle therapy looks like mine that I'll be running


120mg tor for first 2-3 days then 60mg remainder
45mg
30mg
week 4 I'm introducing Nolva for just a few days to get some of the benefits from that serm. Best of both worlds type of deal. Can't hurt.


Using ALRI's RESTORE starting week 1 in progressive Dosages (Inverse to Serm) 1 cap 2 caps 3 caps etc run that till the bottle is gone

good luck. I'm starting my cycle the 25th

You decided to use the Restore? Cool. Make sure to keep a log.

[US-Marine]

You decided to use the Restore? Cool. Make sure to keep a log.

yeah, most def, I like ALRI so I'm hoping for the best, but I'll be keeping you guys updated.

[cobra77]

Hey Cobra, your post cycle therapy looks like mine that I'll be running


120mg tor for first 2-3 days then 60mg remainder
45mg
30mg
week 4 I'm introducing Nolva for just a few days to get some of the benefits from that serm. Best of both worlds type of deal. Can't hurt.


Using ALRI's RESTORE starting week 1 in progressive Dosages (Inverse to Serm) 1 cap 2 caps 3 caps etc run that till the bottle is gone

good luck. I'm starting my cycle the 25th

I decided against nolva after reading this on another form.


Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. Macrophage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with Macro, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.


Good luck on your cycle US-Marine.

[RenegadeRows]

I decided against nolva after reading this on another form.


Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. Macrophage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with Macro, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.


Good luck on your cycle US-Marine.

I'd like to start a small discussion on this, as I have read alot pertaining to this subject. I have used Nolvadex for PCT after pheraplex twice, and had not had any problems. I have heard negative things when using an AI for PCT, such as Letro/Aromasin. The idea behind this is strong AI's will obviously create an imbalance of hormones, and the object of PCT is to create a homeostasis as fast as possible. So wouldn't a SERM that keeps your nipples estro-free but still allows the estrogen to circulate our best bet?


My question is, since Nolvadex binds to the receptors, wouldnt progestin induced gyno not be able to form because the lack of estrogen binding???

I'm still learning, please post.

[US-Marine]

side note, guys if you are running a cycle you have to add

Liv 52 to your supprt stack, real cheap and is wayyyyyyy more effective than milk thistle which is probably garbage anyway

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start checking out around 197... "As an adjuvant with hepatotoxic drugs"

Booyah!

[RenegadeRows]

side note, guys if you are running a cycle you have to add

Liv 52 to your supprt stack, real cheap and is wayyyyyyy more effective than milk thistle which is probably garbage anyway

Natural herbal remedies India,Liv.52,Pure herbs,Ayurvedic products India,Herbal health care,Herbal care India,Himalaya herbal healthcare,Herbal medicines India,Ayurvedic herbs India,Alternative medicines India,Herbal products India

start checking out around 197... "As an adjuvant with hepatotoxic drugs"

Booyah!

Hey man, check out Cycle Support by AnabolicInnovations.com , one of the sponsers. It features ALL the support herbs you need on cycle in one or two easy doses per day. And its a flavored powder so you can mix it in your protein shakes. It makes it alot easier than taking many pills...

[US-Marine]

Hey man, check out Cycle Support by AnabolicInnovations.com , one of the sponsers. It features ALL the support herbs you need on cycle in one or two easy doses per day. And its a flavored powder so you can mix it in your protein shakes. It makes it alot easier than taking many pills...

LOL I already have cycle support! Amazing product

Liv 52 is separate with different herbs for added support.

[DR.D]

... Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins ... Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does) ... aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.

I've been saying this for a long time now! superdrol is not a major progestin, but all orals are to an extent by virtue of the 17-aa addition. Nolva is likely the reason for the "delayed gyno" reported by some people in association with SD. Nolva should always be avoided if possible.

RR is another AI that's nice on lipids. In the alpha testing, lipids continued to show a favorable ratio shift (HDL climbs and LDL falls) even though test was rising and estrogen was lowering week after week. SS saw the same phenomenon with his bloodwork.