Test E with SD kicker SUPERDARKSIDE TIME!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    You will get there bro. Dedication is all it takes. Stick to lifting hard, eating good and cycling properly.

    IGF and MGF are so cheap its almost a no brainer to run em in my opinion. A bottle of MGF is like $25, that's cheaper than protein and its about 3 weeks worth. The recovery is money! Worth every penny. I run it on cycle and off. 3 weeks on 4 off. My muscles are fuller, keep more shape/density, pumps are crazy and recovery is fast as fuk.
    This is music to my ears -or eyeballs. . . whatever.

    I'll be PMing you DD after I do some more research and can formulate some educated questions.
    AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post

    This is music to my ears -or eyeballs. . . whatever.

    I'll be PMing you DD after I do some more research and can formulate some educated questions.
    Ok bro. Hit me up
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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  3. Just did second injection, left quad this time. Seemed a lot better this time, no pain at all even though a virgin site, but we'll see if any PIP arises later. It's day 4 and I'm gonna be hitting Chest and Tris in a couple hours, this SD should start workin' it's magic any day now!

    On another note my other leg(that I pinned last time) wasn't bad at all sat and sun, but yesterday it was killing me. Maybe because I had to go to work and was walking around all day idk. It still hurts a little hopefully gone by tomorrow it's mostly a couple inches under where I pinned and it feels kinda hard. No redness or visible damage though so I think I'm gtg. I'll give an update on my workout and everything for today tomorrow morning since I work a swingshift that will be easiest for me.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  4. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    Just did second injection, left quad this time. Seemed a lot better this time, no pain at all even though a virgin site, but we'll see if any PIP arises later. It's day 4 and I'm gonna be hitting Chest and Tris in a couple hours, this SD should start workin' it's magic any day now!

    On another note my other leg(that I pinned last time) wasn't bad at all sat and sun, but yesterday it was killing me. Maybe because I had to go to work and was walking around all day idk. It still hurts a little hopefully gone by tomorrow it's mostly a couple inches under where I pinned and it feels kinda hard. No redness or visible damage though so I think I'm gtg. I'll give an update on my workout and everything for today tomorrow morning since I work a swingshift that will be easiest for me.
    That leg hurting randomly is just because its virgin bro. When you walked around all day the muscles shifted, contracted and loosened (I'm sure you know that lol). But when they do that they rub the crystals that are attached to the testosterone and they are small and sharp. Those crystals agitate the muscle and cause minor inflammation. Pop a few anti-inflammitory pills and be easy on it. Eventually that won't keep happening. Don't pin a muscle if you plan working it out anytime 48ish hours after injection.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    That leg hurting randomly is just because its virgin bro. When you walked around all day the muscles shifted, contracted and loosened (I'm sure you know that lol). But when they do that they rub the crystals that are attached to the testosterone and they are small and sharp. Those crystals agitate the muscle and cause minor inflammation. Pop a few anti-inflammitory pills and be easy on it. Eventually that won't keep happening. Don't pin a muscle if you plan working it out anytime 48ish hours after injection.
    Ah that makes sense, didn't think about crystals. It makes sense because the first couple days I was like "damn I was expecting a lot worse than this", but it came to me later lol.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  6. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    Ah that makes sense, didn't think about crystals. It makes sense because the first couple days I was like "damn I was expecting a lot worse than this", but it came to me later lol.
    Yeah man its differnt from some brands to others. eventually nothing will hurt ha. Think of your injection like this.. The plunger is a pressure washer and the smaller the needle gauge the more powerful a stream comes out as pressure is applied. Those crystals come out with some force and smash into tender little muscle fibers that have never seen retarded amounts of amazing testosterone like that. The big bad test comes in and beats the crap out of the poor little fibers and they swell up. After getting beaten up like a wimp on a playground for weeks the fibers finally get tough and set sh*t straight with the Testosterone. lol just made that anaolgy up. so much better than a scientific answer
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post

    Yeah man its differnt from some brands to others. eventually nothing will hurt ha. Think of your injection like this.. The plunger is a pressure washer and the smaller the needle gauge the more powerful a stream comes out as pressure is applied. Those crystals come out with some force and smash into tender little muscle fibers that have never seen retarded amounts of amazing testosterone like that. The big bad test comes in and beats the crap out of the poor little fibers and they swell up. After getting beaten up like a wimp on a playground for weeks the fibers finally get tough and set sh*t straight with the Testosterone. lol just made that anaolgy up. so much better than a scientific answer
    Lol awesome
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  8. Day 4 - Tuesday

    Test E: 250mg
    SD: 20mg
    Workout: Chest and Tris
    PRs: None
    Weight: 177
    Notes: PIP gone in right leg, was on feet all night last night and by this morning PIP in left quad has died down a lot. I think the second injection went a lot smoother, wasn't as shaky lol. I did have something happen last night that scared the sh!t out of me but idk if I just ate something bad or what. I woke up at like 4am and felt sick as ****, halfway to the bathroom I passed out(like full on collapsed) then got back up and went and threw up, but then I felt fine after I threw up. I think maybe I just passed out from the mix of being super tired from just waking up and being light headed from feeling nauseous but still scared me.

    Felt like a beast in the gym though! No PRs but had great energy and had good energy all day no idea why that incident at night happened.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post

    Yeah man its differnt from some brands to others. eventually nothing will hurt ha. Think of your injection like this.. The plunger is a pressure washer and the smaller the needle gauge the more powerful a stream comes out as pressure is applied. Those crystals come out with some force and smash into tender little muscle fibers that have never seen retarded amounts of amazing testosterone like that. The big bad test comes in and beats the crap out of the poor little fibers and they swell up. After getting beaten up like a wimp on a playground for weeks the fibers finally get tough and set sh*t straight with the Testosterone. lol just made that anaolgy up. so much better than a scientific answer
    Haha way to dumb it down Dave lol, i laughed.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Haha way to dumb it down Dave lol, i laughed.
    Ha I just typed that out like that really quick and read it. I was like wtf. Am I 6? Made it grunt easy to understand
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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  11. Day 5 - Wednesday

    SD: 20mg
    Workout: Back and Bis
    PRs: None
    Weight: 180
    Notes: SD is kickin' in for sure! Had some back pumps going on after deadlifts, took some taurine and they were gone in like 10min though. Didn't lift too heavy on deads have had some lower back pain this last week, didn't go any higher than 315, should be fine by next week. Weight is jumpin' up couldn't believe it when I stepped on the scale this morning and I was at 180. Goin' good already

    Also no more nausea or anything weird so idk wtf was up with that, I guess people just get sick sometimes lol.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  12. Day 6 - Thursday

    SD: 20mg
    Workout: Shoulders
    PRs: None
    Weight: 180
    Notes: Back pumps again, not as bad as back day though. Sex drive is definitely up for now. Muscles are looking a little fuller and I got a really sick pump in my traps. Debating moving SD to 30mg next week and maybe even trying 40 on the last week, have to see how back pumps get though because when I ran SD with 4ad I had none at all and it's not happening that way this time.

    I will have to move my last workout day to saturday due to some personal stuff, will have appointments on friday mornings(nothing that will affect cycle). So it will be legs this saturday, I will pin post workout. Also just a note I may sometimes switch my shoulder and leg day depending on how I feel any given week, just something I do sometimes but chest/tris and back/bis will always be first 2 days.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  13. Cap SD dose at 30mg. I have a freak tolerance to gear and 40mg made me wanna die. I didn't have a test base that time other than RS-Transaderm. I see it and some other guys will agree the gains to risk ratio goes towards the bad side past 30mg.

    Try it by all means if you want I'm just sharing my experience. Everyone should push the doseage and find the spot that they get crappy sides. Thats what builds cycle experience. It won't kill you and if sides get crazy just back off. Not that serious really. The lethargy was so bad for me and blood pressure was crazy Haha.

    Let us know if you are gunna try 40mg SD and go ape sh*t Hulk on some weights lol.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  14. If I do it it will be on the last week of SD and I'll definitely let you know. Gotta see how 30 goes this time but my last run it wasn't bad, I may need to order some more bulk taurine tho I'm gonna be tearing through this stuff lol.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  15. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    If I do it it will be on the last week of SD and I'll definitely let you know. Gotta see how 30 goes this time but my last run it wasn't bad, I may need to order some more bulk taurine tho I'm gonna be tearing through this stuff lol.
    Hahaha I'm tearing through taurine and potassium like its going out of style on this tren. I feel ya man.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  16. I've ran sd up to 50mg. The only difference between 30 & 50 is more back pumps. I'd stay at 30.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  17. Day 8 - Saturday

    Test E: 250mg
    SD: 20mg
    Workout: Legs
    PRs: None
    Weight: 181
    Notes: Pinned right glute today(after workout), did it myself so it was pretty hard but it worked out. Still no substantial strength increases, weight seems to be increasing steadily. I know you aren't supposed to feel much from test e until ~4 weeks but I have great energy and I don't think the SD would have any effect like that. I do have random bouts of lethargy but they only last a short time, maybe 20min if that, and I never feel tired in the gym. Going to go ahead and start 30mg SD tomorrow.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  18. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post
    Day 8 - Saturday

    Test E: 250mg
    SD: 20mg
    Workout: Legs
    PRs: None
    Weight: 181
    Notes: Pinned right glute today(after workout), did it myself so it was pretty hard but it worked out. Still no substantial strength increases, weight seems to be increasing steadily. I know you aren't supposed to feel much from test e until ~4 weeks but I have great energy and I don't think the SD would have any effect like that. I do have random bouts of lethargy but they only last a short time, maybe 20min if that, and I never feel tired in the gym. Going to go ahead and start 30mg SD tomorrow.
    Man you start feeling it before week 4. You def start tofeel some physiological changes from week 2 onward. Week four is when it starts getting crazy tho, all day pumps an vascularity with a mega alpha male feeling. Fun times.

  19. Sd makes you feel awesome!!
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Man you start feeling it before week 4. You def start tofeel some physiological changes from week 2 onward. Week four is when it starts getting crazy tho, all day pumps an vascularity with a mega alpha male feeling. Fun times.
    Can't wait! Only gettin better from here!
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  21. Just got back from a mile and a half run/walk with my wife. She hasn't really ran much before so we are doing couch to 5k, will be running 3 times a week now on top of lifting. Should be good for me to have some cardio mixed in.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  22. Day 11/12 - Tuesday/Wednesday

    Test E: 250mg(Tuesday)
    SD: 30mg/30mg
    Workout: Chest and Tris/Back and Bis
    PRs: None
    Weight: 185
    Notes: Holy crap I'm up about 12 pounds! Pinning left glute was a pain, got it done though, PIP doesn't seem as bad to me in glutes as it was in quads though. I'm getting back up to my pre-cutting strength so things should start getting good in that department. Actually did 205 for 5 reps pretty easily on tuesday, my "PR" for reps before with no spotter(which I don't have so no 1RM) is 215x6, I'm gonna be hitting 225x6 by the end of this cycle for sure. Back day didn't go so smooth, forgot to take taurine and hams and lower back were cramping so bad on heavy weight I couldn't even lift over 315. Still tore sh!t up though and got my back real sore so it's all good. For an idea of macros I've been at around 180-200 grams of protein each day and about 500 grams of carbs, which I think is the reason I haven't really felt the hunger

    Loving the cycle, haven't had bad lethargy so far, back pumps are kinda bad but not worse than 100mg of hdrol was. Gaining like a beast!
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  23. I'd seriously bump up that protein intake man. On cycle protein synthesis goes through the roof! I take in easy 2g/lb BW on cycle.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'd seriously bump up that protein intake man. On cycle protein synthesis goes through the roof! I take in easy 2g/lb BW on cycle.
    I know a lot of people do that I've never felt it was necessary. Also I'll note there's a Nasser El Sonbaty interview where he says in the off season he would take in 100g of protein and the rest carbs and fats. Personally I think a lot of people take in way too much protein, if you are in a low carb/fat cut then high high protein is important(when I was cutting I took in 250g+ of protein on an 1800 calorie diet) but otherwise carbs are just as important, if not more. If I took in 2g of protein per lb of body weight that would be 360g of protein a day and my carbs would probably drop to about half of what they are now, my prediction is I would sh!t pale yellow bricks.

    Nasser El Sonbaty interview link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson322.htm

    The part I was talking about is about halfway down the page.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  25. Sorry I think that sounded a little harsh the protein could stand to go up some but I think 2g per pound is excessive.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  26. Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro View Post

    I know a lot of people do that I've never felt it was necessary. Also I'll note there's a Nasser El Sonbaty interview where he says in the off season he would take in 100g of protein and the rest carbs and fats. Personally I think a lot of people take in way too much protein, if you are in a low carb/fat cut then high high protein is important(when I was cutting I took in 250g+ of protein on an 1800 calorie diet) but otherwise carbs are just as important, if not more. If I took in 2g of protein per lb of body weight that would be 360g of protein a day and my carbs would probably drop to about half of what they are now, my prediction is I would sh!t pale yellow bricks.

    Nasser El Sonbaty interview link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson322.htm

    The part I was talking about is about halfway down the page.
    He also says he would be alot bigger if he did take in more protein.....
    If you have no problems taking protein in, just go ahead. The more protein, the better the muscles will build up. My off-season weight goes up to 330 pounds. With a higher protein intake off-season, I probably would be even bigger. Also I do have a so-called mesomorph type of body and was very athletic from beginning. And my metabolism is not too fast and not too slow.

  27. Right, I'll try to increase the protein but I don't think I would try for any higher than 250g per day. Anyway on to business:

    Day 13 - Thursday

    SD: 30mg
    Workout: Shoulders
    PRs: None
    Weight: 185
    Notes: Thinking about possibly switching C&Js for shoulder presses since the back and leg pumps are getting so ridiculous. Going to increase taurine as well. I had to rest for a few minutes between each set of C&Js and stretch, it was pretty bad. I'm actually getting the worst of it in my lower back of course and oddly my quads, calves a little bit but not even enough to bother me. Also I think if I just did BB shoulder presses I could be doing the same weight or more for my rep range.
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti

  28. I only count solid foods for protein and try for 300g ed. After shakes I'm at around 400g. Seems like a lot but I'm also 205 so before liquid that's 1.5g per pound.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  29. Lower your carb intake. Sd needs carbs but at 500g aday your going to get fat. You can rotate 250g one day 350 day 2 500g leg day. Protein needs to be around 300g. So 250 is good. Fats are what I fill with. Don't be afraid of fats, health fats that is.

    Sd is going strong, I doubt anything will tame the back pumps on leg/back day. I keep a inclined bench close by. After each set I sit in it until pumps subside. People get pissed but no one does anything. About 30-45 degree angle pump will calm after about 3-5mins. Slows down the work out but at least it doesn't stop it.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  30. About to go do legs, just did 250mg in right delt. I managed to get every drop from the first vial when I emptied it but there were a lot of bubbles so that took me awhile to straighten out, then when I pulled the needle out I had obviously gone through a vein because blood ran down my arm instantly all the way about halfway down my forearm, stopped bleeding immediately when I wiped it off though and no blood when I aspirated so it's all good. Was a "messy" experience though.

    On another note gonna be working on increasing my protein since the general consensus is that I need more
    "Lifting and Game of Thrones share the same calendar, there's only two seasons: cutting and bulking. And guess what? Winter's comin' so it's time to bulk up!"
    -Dom Mazzetti
  

  
 

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