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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Manimalia View Post
    yeah, i ran some when i did this diet previously, and i remember that i got burnt out and my lifts did suffer. that and the lack of good carb-up probably did me in. you know what? i'm gonna go ahead and just do my 'brisk-walks.' i go to a nice walking trail by my house and just walk like them 40-year-old women, all fast-like, although i don't do that weird stuff with my arms, though. thanks againx10 botch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    For sure man, it's all about calories in = calories out. If you just adjust your caloric intake accordingly then there is no need for cardio. And you might as well save that intensity for the depletion workout because you're sure as hell gonna need it!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    Something that I always craved during the carb up was pizza so I would make a low fat version myself izza:.
    I literally just made a **** TON of home-made pizza dough at my grandparents, for tomorrow. I got like 12 pizzas worth, which i will freeze and use 1-2 every sat. ALso made some fresh pizza/marinara sauce.. Can't wait...lol

    For ME, i need to keep protein high.. My strength continues to climb, and i have been steady dropping BF.

    At first i had to play around with the ratios of Pro/fat, i tried keeping fats at 60-70% but strength was suffering, and weight loss was pretty stagnant.

    When protein got upped, total cals stayed the same, then fat started coming off, while strength slowly but surely climbed. I have been taking it nice and slow though.

    Normally at this point, on a carb based "calorie restricted" diet, i feel like TOTAL ****.. I drag ass in the gym, strength goes in the toilet, and i feel like hell all day. Right now, i feel GREAT.

    Like botch said, it is very individual. Play around with your macros, food selection, etc.
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  3. Hey bro I was wondering when you were going to make an appearance around here!
    Man, all this pizza talk is making me hungry. Luckily there is a pizza joint less than a block from my apartment. Damnit, why do they have to make it so easy for me to cheat?!?!

  4. So let's take a vote. Who thinks I should try and keep my cals the same during carb up and who thinks I should just scarf? I'm trying to cut fyi

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    Hey bro I was wondering when you were going to make an appearance around here!
    Man, all this pizza talk is making me hungry. Luckily there is a pizza joint less than a block from my apartment. Damnit, why do they have to make it so easy for me to cheat?!?!
    haha.. i'd love to see everyone throw up pics of their carb up meals, to see some of the wacky **** we all eat after a week of low carbin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    So let's take a vote. Who thinks I should try and keep my cals the same during carb up and who thinks I should just scarf? I'm trying to cut fyi
    I take in prob 3x my cals on carb ups. Last saturday, my breakfast alone was about 1500 cals if i recall.

    I wouldn't say just "scarf" but either do a protocol similar to the "duchane" one, or slam the carbs heavy, paying attention to the fats.

    I had been doing the duchane way, but the last couple of months, i just go VERY heavy on the carbs, and keep fat low.
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  6. I'm doing CKD with IF, question is, I limit my carbs to 20-30 grams a day, do they have to be from "good sources" fruits/vegetables?

    I only eat meat and eggs as I hate vegetables, so can I add some crackers or some junk as long as it doesn't exceed 20-30 grams a day?

  7. I'm also at about 20g a day. My carbs come from string cheese, peanut butter, eggs and a bratwurst

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I'm also at about 20g a day. My carbs come from string cheese, peanut butter, eggs and a bratwurst
    Can they come from junk as long they don't exceed 20g?

    I don't see a difference.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    So let's take a vote. Who thinks I should try and keep my cals the same during carb up and who thinks I should just scarf? I'm trying to cut fyi
    i likely know even less about this diet than you do, but i'd suggest you go ahead and look to some stats for what you should be speculatively consuming. and then adjust from there after a few weeks or a month. cause' there is that "fat spillover" when you consume too many carbs. but not enough will stifle progress and therefore keep you from losing that fat/gaining.

    i'm going for 900g carbs, as that was the amount suggested through "the equation." i'll adjust from there after a few weeks if i need to.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    As long as you're getting a good portion of your fats from other sources as well I don't see why you can't have a steak or two a day. I have had no problems doing this in the past. However, this will vary from individual to individual. If you already have any kind of heart condition I would recommend limiting the red meat (or maybe this isn't the diet for you). But otherwise, eating red meat always seems to give me a nice energy boost. Animal fat is all fair game on this diet. It is when you eat these fats in the presence of carbs that the saturated fat becomes more of a problem (turns into steric acid). Just make sure your getting at least 1g of EPA/DHA per day and are eating plenty of EVOO with your shakes inbetween meals and you should be good to go.
    Thanks Botch. Appreciate all your help!

  11. I just drank 180g of liquid carbs. BARF!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    So let's take a vote. Who thinks I should try and keep my cals the same during carb up and who thinks I should just scarf? I'm trying to cut fyi
    I second the vote that you up the cals. Remember, this is more of a recomposition diet than an all out cut diet. Just watch the fat melt off while you retain all of your muscle or maybe even add a lil' bit.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I just drank 180g of liquid carbs. BARF!
    BUWAHAHAHAHahhahahAHAHAH!!! It gets easier as the meals progress through the day, I swear! Just man up, and eat that shlt.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    I'm doing CKD with IF, question is, I limit my carbs to 20-30 grams a day, do they have to be from "good sources" fruits/vegetables?

    I only eat meat and eggs as I hate vegetables, so can I add some crackers or some junk as long as it doesn't exceed 20-30 grams a day?
    Eat your veggies!!! They do more during this diet for you than you may think. For instance, they will help keep your stomach feeling okay (base/acidity wise) on top of all of the nutrients that you get from them. Also, they are a great source of fiber and it is recommended that you are taking in at least 30g per day on this diet. However, you can go ahead and still eat your 20g of junk carbs, just make sure you're getting some veggies in there too. Honestly, after being on this diet for a while I wouldn't even count the carbs that come from veggies. But still eat them even if you despise them.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Manimalia View Post
    i likely know even less about this diet than you do, but i'd suggest you go ahead and look to some stats for what you should be speculatively consuming. and then adjust from there after a few weeks or a month. cause' there is that "fat spillover" when you consume too many carbs. but not enough will stifle progress and therefore keep you from losing that fat/gaining.

    i'm going for 900g carbs, as that was the amount suggested through "the equation." i'll adjust from there after a few weeks if i need to.
    As long as you're cycling your macros correctly you would be surpised at the amount of carbs you would need to eat in order to achieve something like this. It is extremely difficult to get a "fat spillover" if your macros are on point...even if you are eating a ridiculous amount of carbs.

  16. What did you eat so far today BOTCH?

  17. I'm not CKD'ing it right now. I got off of the CKD to do a bulking cycle 6 weeks ago which I just finished up. And WOW, my stomach did not like me introducing carbs as fast as I did. Luckily after 6 weeks it is beginning to even out. I think from going carb depleted at a relatively low body fat straight into my cycle with really almost no diet guideline helped me to gain some quality weight. I went from 166 lbs. (depleted) to 184 lbs. (not at all depleted) and still just about as lean as when I went into the cycle. IGF-1 injections during PCT are keeping me able to eat tons of carbs right now though. I also just started some gut health which will hopefully take care of the rest.

  18. ok, just finished reading this whole thread. have a question about training di i do 1 full body glycogen depletion/wk or more??so if i plan my carb load for fri/half saturday, i should workout on friday???what can i do throughout the week, or just concentrate on the diet??? also im gonna do the 36hr carb load using anabolic pump. try and get 900g within 1st 24hrs then 450g next 12hrs.

  19. ok, just finished reading this whole thread. have a question about training di i do 1 full body glycogen depletion/wk or more??
    You should be doing one full-body depletion workout per week with your carb up immediately following the workout.

    so if i plan my carb load for fri/half saturday, i should workout on friday???
    Yes, and your workout should be performed BEFORE you begin the carb load.

    what can i do throughout the week, or just concentrate on the diet???
    I'm not sure I get exactly what you mean. You should perform tension workouts on Mon, Tues, and maybe Wed. lifting at around 80% of your 1RM.

    also im gonna do the 36hr carb load using anabolic pump. try and get 900g within 1st 24hrs then 450g next 12hrs.
    I would leave the anabolic pump out of the carb up. Many people still use it while carbing up, but I challenge you to do a carb load with and without it and tell me what difference you find. I don't know your body weight but that seems like a small amount of carbs for the carb load. It is still a good place to start.

  20. well right now im 250 with a high estimate at 17%bf. from the meso article 900g carbs 1st 24hrs is right and 2nd 12hrs at 450g carbs is right too.

  21. WHOO! what a terrible feeling! just drank me 130g carbs-worth of gatorade powder and then two scoops whey. i forgot that the first re-feed feels WEIRD. i'm a bit nauteous now. gon' go lay down now. meh.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Manimalia View Post
    WHOO! what a terrible feeling! just drank me 130g carbs-worth of gatorade powder and then two scoops whey. i forgot that the first re-feed feels WEIRD. i'm a bit nauteous now. gon' go lay down now. meh.
    Don't forget to drink lots of water during your refeed! It'll make you feel better.

  23. really looking to kick up the fatloss due to herniated disk in lower back. ideally i would like to cut down to 195 over the rest of the year. what kinda of macros should i be trying to achieve while being 6'2 250.

    just the bare bones, not including other staple supps:
    fat 70%
    protein 30%
    fiber 35-50g/day

  24. I'd laike to add that alcohol amakes a great carbloadsss

  25. also, what would be the lowest caloric intake i could consume per day, being 6.2 250. if i lose some muscle, so be it. getting my weight down is key
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