if you are still eating grains, read this
- 04-29-2011, 10:32 AM
if you are still eating grains, read this
T NATION | The Truth About Gluten
and if you think that you are a lucky person that can tolerate gluten, give it 10-20 years and that inflammation will build up. this is why we eliminate grains from our diet. paleo is not a diet, its a way to eat to reduce inflammation.BJJ = life
- 04-29-2011, 10:40 AM
- 04-29-2011, 10:51 AM
04-29-2011, 10:53 AM
hmm, i still like bread and beer too much to give it up lol. very interesting article though, i didnt know that many people were intolerant / allergic to gluten. makes you wonder how many people don't even know they have a gluten intolerance.
04-29-2011, 11:04 AM
I think everyone to a certain extent is gluten intolerant. Some obviously more than others, some have full blown celliac disease, others not so much. But I believe everyone is intolerant a little, simply because there is no getting around it the fact is that GLUTEN IS INFLAMMATORY.
04-29-2011, 11:14 AM
So even in that opinion article, it doesn't hazard a guess as to what % of people have a gluten allergy, much less show any actual studies with numbers. Why do you think it actually affects any significant % of people?
04-29-2011, 11:15 AM
04-29-2011, 11:16 AM
04-29-2011, 11:19 AM
honestly dude i dont want to argue with you again. eat your bread and gluten and whatever you want. obviously there is no financial gain in banishing gluten/grains so there arent many studies being funded that would prove to you that this food is crap. stick to your guns and good luck.
BJJ = life
04-29-2011, 11:26 AM
No, its just amazing that you'd call something poison that humans have been eating for 10,000 years with no evidence but that you and a small number of other people feel better not eating it. Sure some peoples have allergic reactions to it to varying degrees, that doesn't make it poison, and it certainly doesn't mean any majority of people have negative reactions or allergies to it.
And so long as you eat plenty of antiinflammatory foods getting some amount of proinflammatory in isn't terrible either. Heck if you are trying to entirely avoid inflammatory response why would you exercise even?
04-29-2011, 11:30 AM
04-29-2011, 11:31 AM
I can see the argument to reduce consumption of ADDED gluten, since it is in just about every processed food imaginable; however, to go so far as to claim the causality in the entire population that some of the paleo proponents (and I think paleo is a poor title choice) has yet to be scientifically founded.
04-29-2011, 11:35 AM
04-29-2011, 11:36 AM
04-29-2011, 11:42 AM
04-29-2011, 11:43 AM
I eat a variety of whole grains: wheat, rice, oats, quinoa, etc.
And, I feel fine and perform well. But, that's not a very good argument in either direction. N=1 means very little.
I think we need to place emphasis on balancing potentially inflammatory foods with foods that hold anti-inflammatory properties.
For example, peanuts are inflammatory. Jalepeno peppers are quite anti inflammatory.
And the problem with a lot of the gluten research, is that it is conducted in people who are already at high risk for systemic inflammation: the sedentary.
So, I think a lot more research needs to be done before we go demonizing a nutrient (when consumed as part of a whole food, not additive) in the general population.
04-29-2011, 11:48 AM
And just to be clear, I do agree that dropping gluten can benefit a decent amount of people most likely people who have the tendency to be a "hardgainer" as malabsorption of nutrients can definitely lead to hard gaining. Theres definitely no harm in dropping gluten, heck if you can substitute in quinoa + quinoa flour for all the other grains you eat you end up way ahead of the game with the ecdysterone content of quinoa.
I just don't see that dropping gluten will make a noticeable impact on the majority of people. Could it be useful for 20-30% of people? Possibly so I can definitely see where its worth trying a decent time span gluten free, but if you don't have enough of a difference in that time to notice it, returning to using grains with gluten shouldn't hurt either. For most non-bodybuilding people clipping sugar intake and vegetable fats would have more benefit than dropping grains.
04-29-2011, 11:51 AM
04-29-2011, 12:27 PM
04-29-2011, 01:00 PM
04-29-2011, 01:01 PM
There is a role behind inflammation in the body, and it does result in adaptation (such as muscle growth, for one).
Omega-6 fatty acids are inflammatory; however, eliminating them entirely from the diet will have catastrophic effects as they are need for certain biological processes.
Just as we know there is an optimal balance between omega 3 to 6, I think whats most important is to balance infammation - both in the diet and in the environment.
04-29-2011, 01:43 PM
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04-29-2011, 02:08 PM
8am) 4-5 eggs with 1 whole avocado 1 whole tomato
11am) 5-6 hardboiled eggs, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots
1pm) 1 can wild alaskan salmon (7.5 oz), 2 servings spinach, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots
4pm) 4 hardboiled eggs, fresh fruit salad
preworkout and postworkout ill have a little fruit
9pm) 1 pound ground bison scrambled with 1 whole avocado, 1 whole tomato, 3-4 eggs.
throughout the day i snack on raw almonds
BJJ = life
04-29-2011, 02:22 PM
04-29-2011, 02:24 PM
04-29-2011, 02:39 PM
I need to find another place around me that sells ground bison. Was near a butcher shop at the last house that had it but none of the ones near me now have it.
04-29-2011, 02:46 PM
bison steaks are too much. $10 plus change for not even a pound. the ground bison costs me $8.79 for a pound.
BJJ = life
04-29-2011, 02:52 PM
The only place i've bought bison lately only sells premade 1/4 lb burgers, and its $12 for 4 1/4lb ones. They are good, but crap thats barely 2 meals.
04-29-2011, 02:53 PM
yeah, i dont have 9 bucks to spend on 1 pound of bison. i think ill settle for 93% lean ground beef at 3.25/lb
04-29-2011, 02:59 PM
04-29-2011, 06:25 PM
How do you guys respond when you eat enriched vs whole grain? I personally tolerate whole grain well. Enriched makes me bloated, gasy, and sometimes constipated. Definetely stomach issues. I can't say that I notice any other effects besides that.
ôLord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"- John 6:68
WHAT has science offered?
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
04-29-2011, 07:48 PM
why not more chicken and fish?
bison looks interesting... expensive but interesting..
im also gluten intolerant... and ive been for a few months
its strange how this happened to me, i used to be able to eat anything... but now, if i eat ANY gluten, im on the toilet for hours with horrible stomach pains/bloat and lethargy.... this all happened DAY 1 of pct after a dzine run
i looked into everything from ibs to chrons and colitis...... i saw specialist after doctor after hospital visit, to come to find out that gluten was causing me to react this way
going from 218 to 200 within a month of going gluten free sucked, but im learning how to get the cals in without the gluten
to me, it is TOXIC and would have probably killed me if i didnt stop eating it
i spent 5 months eating it, shatting my ass off, and hurting myself every day without a clue as to what it can be...
my girlfriend, her mother, her brother and a few friends have all gone gluten free after looking into the benefits of avoiding it.. AND THEY DONT HAVE THIS THING LOL
good to know im not the only one... antong, those almonds are a life saver when it comes to getting extra cals in right?
04-29-2011, 08:42 PM
04-29-2011, 08:44 PM
How is that too many eggs? Eggs are natures perfect protein and if your gripe is the cholesterol content, then you need to do some major research regarding serum cholesterol.
I have been one of the larger Paleo/Primal proponents on this board for a long time and most simply are too ingrained (no pun intended) with the "BB'ing norms" regarding nutrition to even give it a chance.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Believe T-nation believe anyone...
Once nutrition programs becomes my way is the only way, it's time to bail and cover your ears but there is good in almost every dieting philosophy...except the cookie diet, that dude should be drowned...
Proper way to learn nutrition is to learn the basic function of a carbohyrdate, fat, and protein and the ultimate principle of caloric value and move from there...
Don't dring the koolaid....
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
I started eating 8-12 eggs a day maybe 2 months ago and believe I've added some muscle while gaining no extra fat. Eggs Are indeed a wonderful BBing food. I will never go back to egg whites as my only source for egg protein
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
Do NOT assume that people that adhere to Paleo support CrossFit. I, for one, loathe and abhor their whole philosophy. I learned about Paleo via my BJJ coach ~5 years ago before CF really exploded.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-29-2011, 08:52 PM
This is total crap. It's a problem that affects a small but I guess significant proportion of white people, who are a minority among all living humans, and suddenly gluten is labeled bad for everyone. Jokes.
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