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    How do you guys respond when you eat enriched vs whole grain? I personally tolerate whole grain well. Enriched makes me bloated, gasy, and sometimes constipated. Definetely stomach issues. I can't say that I notice any other effects besides that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    How do you guys respond when you eat enriched vs whole grain? I personally tolerate whole grain well. Enriched makes me bloated, gasy, and sometimes constipated. Definetely stomach issues. I can't say that I notice any other effects besides that.
    look on the label of whole grain products, most likely it still says enriched flour
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    ETA: lol I'm an idiot, read that as glucose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    sure:

    8am) 4-5 eggs with 1 whole avocado 1 whole tomato

    11am) 5-6 hardboiled eggs, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots

    1pm) 1 can wild alaskan salmon (7.5 oz), 2 servings spinach, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots

    4pm) 4 hardboiled eggs, fresh fruit salad

    preworkout and postworkout ill have a little fruit

    workout

    9pm) 1 pound ground bison scrambled with 1 whole avocado, 1 whole tomato, 3-4 eggs.

    throughout the day i snack on raw almonds
    clean diet, but thats alot of eggs... too many IMO

    why not more chicken and fish?

    bison looks interesting... expensive but interesting..


    im also gluten intolerant... and ive been for a few months

    its strange how this happened to me, i used to be able to eat anything... but now, if i eat ANY gluten, im on the toilet for hours with horrible stomach pains/bloat and lethargy.... this all happened DAY 1 of pct after a dzine run

    i looked into everything from ibs to chrons and colitis...... i saw specialist after doctor after hospital visit, to come to find out that gluten was causing me to react this way

    going from 218 to 200 within a month of going gluten free sucked, but im learning how to get the cals in without the gluten



    to me, it is TOXIC and would have probably killed me if i didnt stop eating it

    i spent 5 months eating it, shatting my ass off, and hurting myself every day without a clue as to what it can be...

    my girlfriend, her mother, her brother and a few friends have all gone gluten free after looking into the benefits of avoiding it.. AND THEY DONT HAVE THIS THING LOL


    good to know im not the only one... antong, those almonds are a life saver when it comes to getting extra cals in right?
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    i prefer the peanuts,u eat the peppers
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    How is that too many eggs? Eggs are natures perfect protein and if your gripe is the cholesterol content, then you need to do some major research regarding serum cholesterol.

    I have been one of the larger Paleo/Primal proponents on this board for a long time and most simply are too ingrained (no pun intended) with the "BB'ing norms" regarding nutrition to even give it a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    So even in that opinion article, it doesn't hazard a guess as to what % of people have a gluten allergy, much less show any actual studies with numbers. Why do you think it actually affects any significant % of people?
    Cross fit and Paleo is cultish....

    Believe T-nation believe anyone...

    Once nutrition programs becomes my way is the only way, it's time to bail and cover your ears but there is good in almost every dieting philosophy...except the cookie diet, that dude should be drowned...

    Proper way to learn nutrition is to learn the basic function of a carbohyrdate, fat, and protein and the ultimate principle of caloric value and move from there...

    Don't dring the koolaid....
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    I started eating 8-12 eggs a day maybe 2 months ago and believe I've added some muscle while gaining no extra fat. Eggs Are indeed a wonderful BBing food. I will never go back to egg whites as my only source for egg protein

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    Do NOT assume that people that adhere to Paleo support CrossFit. I, for one, loathe and abhor their whole philosophy. I learned about Paleo via my BJJ coach ~5 years ago before CF really exploded.
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    This is total crap. It's a problem that affects a small but I guess significant proportion of white people, who are a minority among all living humans, and suddenly gluten is labeled bad for everyone. Jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    This is total crap. It's a problem that affects a small but I guess significant proportion of white people, who are a minority among all living humans, and suddenly gluten is labeled bad for everyone. Jokes.
    Is this too above your head?

    J Physiol Biochem. 2010 Jun;66(2):153-9. Epub 2010 Jun 1.
    Gliadins induce TNFalpha production through cAMP-dependent protein kinase A activation in intestinal cells (Caco-2).

    Laparra Llopis JM, Sanz Herranz Y.

    Microbial Ecophysiology and Nutrition Group, Instituto de Agroquímica y Tecnología de Alimentos (CSIC), Apartado 73, 46100 Burjassot, Valencia, Spain. mlaparra@iata.csic.es
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    Celiac disease is an autoimmune enteropathy caused by a permanent intolerance to gliadins. In this study the effects of two gliadin-derived peptides (PA2, PQPQLPYPQPQLP and PA9, QLQPFPQPQLPY) on TNFalpha production by intestinal epithelial cells (Caco-2) and whether these effects were related to protein kinase A (PKA) and/or -C (PKC) activities have been evaluated. Caco-2 cell cultures were challenged with several sets of gliadin peptides solutions (0.25 mg/mL), with/without different activators of PKA or PKC, bradykinin (Brdkn) and pyrrolidine dithiocarbamate (PDTC). The gliadin-derived peptides assayed represent the two major immunodominant epitopes of the peptide 33-mer of alpha-gliadin (56-88) (LQLQPFPQPQLPYPQPQLPYPQPQLPYPQ PQPF). Both peptides induced the TNFalpha production triggering the inflammatory cell responses, the PA2 being more effective. The addition of the peptides in the presence of dibutyril cyclic AMP (cAMP), Brdkn or PDTC, inhibited the TNFalpha production. The PKC-activator phorbol 12-myristate 13-diacetate additionally increased the PA2- and PA9-induced TNFalpha production. These results link the gliadin-derived peptides induced TNFalpha production through cAMP-dependent PKA activation, where ion channels controlling calcium influx into cells could play a protective role, and requires NF-kappaB activation.

    PMID: 20514534


    Regardless of your feelings, gluten is inherently inflammatory and should be avoided as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    This is total crap. It's a problem that affects a small but I guess significant proportion of white people, who are a minority among all living humans, and suddenly gluten is labeled bad for everyone. Jokes.

    what does being white have to do with it? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Do NOT assume that people that adhere to Paleo support CrossFit. I, for one, loathe and abhor their whole philosophy. I learned about Paleo via my BJJ coach ~5 years ago before CF really exploded.
    The Gracies have a similar diet.

    Paleo is not ground breaking everyone should be eating fruits, veggies, good protein and eliminating processed food.

    If you understand food, you find a food that fits you but we've been programmed to eat like robots starting in kindergarden...

    My issue is the blind following and the cult like attitude towards food.

    poor kids don't even know what a Cucumber looks like these days....

    Everyone and mean everyone should understand the basic concept of food. the scary part is those that are teaching nutrition in gyms and such are quaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    what does being white have to do with it? lol.
    Because crackers are high in gluten?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Oh yeah, use plum or roma tomatos too (cause they cook nice), and some jalapeno peppers and red onions. Really don't need any other seasonings then.

    I need to find another place around me that sells ground bison. Was near a butcher shop at the last house that had it but none of the ones near me now have it.
    They sell Bison at all the supermarkets here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNew View Post
    The Gracies have a similar diet.

    Paleo is not ground breaking everyone should be eating fruits, veggies, good protein and eliminating processed food.

    If you understand food, you find a food that fits you but we've been programmed to eat like robots starting in kindergarden...

    My issue is the blind following and the cult like attitude towards food.

    poor kids don't even know what a Cucumber looks like these days....

    Everyone and mean everyone should understand the basic concept of food. the scary part is those that are teaching nutrition in gyms and such are quaks.
    Contemporary nutrition is awful. Look at how many fat nutritionists there are in the world. That is all you need to know. Part of the problem is the conflict of interest between companies such as Monsanto and the USDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    This is total crap. It's a problem that affects a small but I guess significant proportion of white people, who are a minority among all living humans, and suddenly gluten is labeled bad for everyone. Jokes.
    White people are Human? Get out of here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    My mom is glucose intolerant....messes her up big time.

    I wonder if this is hereditary?

    Off to read the article.

    So she can't tolerate Sugar?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Contemporary nutrition is awful. Look at how many fat nutritionists there are in the world. That is all you need to know. Part of the problem is the conflict of interest between companies such as Monsanto and the USDA.
    To even call today's diet nutrition is a stretch...its let's feed them to get sick so they can buy our medicine...

    The other day I was at the airport and the head of some government department for the education for obesity was a fat chick....
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    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    I started eating 8-12 eggs a day maybe 2 months ago and believe I've added some muscle while gaining no extra fat. Eggs Are indeed a wonderful BBing food. I will never go back to egg whites as my only source for egg protein
    Nothing wrong with eggs.
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    I've always had a problem with carbs. Every time I eat any type of carb I have to be near a bathroom. I follow the Metabolic Diet now and feel much better on low carb days. I still do the carb ups because I enjoy carbs but not the "side effects" they give me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNew View Post
    To even call today's diet nutrition is a stretch...its let's feed them to get sick so they can buy our medicine...

    The other day I was at the airport and the head of some government department for the education for obesity was a fat chick....
    Guess what the major nutritional guidelines are? Towards a carb-rcih diet based on whole grains. FYI, corn is a whole-grain. Sadly, most people still think corn is a vegetable (along with potatoes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Guess what the major nutritional guidelines are? Towards a carb-rcih diet based on whole grains. FYI, corn is a whole-grain. Sadly, most people still think corn is a vegetable (along with potatoes).
    School food or the general american diet doesn't follow any guidelines, Highly processed and high fat/carbs ****ty protein, no fiber and sugar it up....

    Posion and not the band...

    In this same section someone posted a diet from a IFBB pro....gross.

    Now the skinny kid in the classroom is laughed at...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Guess what the major nutritional guidelines are? Towards a carb-rcih diet based on whole grains. FYI, corn is a whole-grain. Sadly, most people still think corn is a vegetable (along with potatoes).
    I would eat potatoes and corn just wouldnt lather it with butter, sour cream, bacon and chives....
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    Potatoes, yes, but corn, absolutely not. It is a highly GE and practically devoid of any source of nutrition or alkalinity.
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    I'm not sure how gluten containing prducts make me feel since I eat them every day.

    But a few of my cousins have extreme gluten intolerance. If they even consume the slightest bit of gluten the start swelling and their airway becomes restricted and have to be rushed to the hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNew View Post
    School food doesn't follow any guidelines
    What? Where are you getting this information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperNew View Post

    The other day I was at the airport and the head of some government department for the education for obesity was a fat chick....

    Well now everything makes sense. You saw a female which you thought was fat who was the "head of some government for the education for obesity". I guess you think because the person may be slightly overweight in your eyes they can not teach or learn a certain subject. Yeah, that makes sense. So when you go to a restaurant, do check to make sure the cook is fat?. Because really if the cook isn't fat, he must not know enough about food to prepare your meal right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Is this too above your head?

    Regardless of your feelings, gluten is inherently inflammatory and should be avoided as much as possible.
    Yeah, strawberries are also inherently inflammatory ... if you have an allergy to it. That is all this paper says. Next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    what does being white have to do with it? lol.
    Caucasians (or at least Americans) are predisposed to having an allergy to gluten. I forget the number, but anywhere between 10-25% I think may have an allergy to gluten. Such a high prevalence of a gluten allergy is not found amongst other races.
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