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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Science aside and comparing this to that, its pretty clear that it works. A lot of people, well basically every person, says CN does what it is claimed to do. That for me is enough to try it and find out for myself. Let's net get too technical here and try to turn this into a pissing match of who's more knowledgeable than who. The best part of being consumers is if you think it is a fad, don't buy it, you spoke the loudest you could against it.
    No need to play mr. mediator. I do not believe I was rude to anyone or even say the product did not work in any way shape or form, if I did I apologize as that was not my intention. I honestly could care less who takes what or buys what, I was trying to save people a few bones by offering a science based alternative with added health benefits above and beyond simple vaso-dialation.

    As for your post... really... Science aside?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    No need to play mr. mediator. I do not believe I was rude to anyone or even say the product did not work in any way shape or form, if I did I apologize as that was not my intention. I honestly could care less who takes what or buys what, I was trying to save people a few bones by offering a science based alternative with added health benefits above and beyond simple vaso-dialation.

    As for your post... really... Science aside?
    It's BRO-SCIENCE MAN! And lay off, my brain is flooded with carbs today and does not know what to do with itself, dang refeeds .
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    It's BRO-SCIENCE MAN! And lay off, my brain is flooded with carbs today and does not know what to do with itself, dang refeeds .
    What is bro-science? I provided articles and research already for anything I have posted. Of course I could be misinterpreting. Typed words are a bitch to convey any type of emotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    What is bro-science? I provided articles and research already for anything I have posted. Of course I could be misinterpreting. Typed words are a bitch to convey any type of emotion.
    I was kidding around and I know your sources are legit. No one is questioning anyone here, just trying to have a little fun and learn something in the process.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I was kidding around and I know your sources are legit. No one is questioning anyone here, just trying to have a little fun and learn something in the process.
    See.. damn typed words!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    See.. damn typed words!
    Now if we could only convince women to understand this, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Then you are comparing two completely different pumps in that regard. One is responsible for Glut4 trans-location actually shuttling nutrients to muscle fibers. You are in a sense comparing a Ferrari to a scooter.
    Damn, I can't be seen on a scooter!


    I get what you're saying but it (p-slin and glycergrow )are also marketed as pump products. So as far as pump goes, I like CN the best. right now I'm leaning out and can't use Heavy carbs often, so CN is doing the job well. When my first bottle runs out I will compare CM+ spinach to CN. How would I get the most out of the spinach? Should it be boiled, steamed, or raw and how much should i eat to get a decent amount of nitrates? (no sarcasm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Damn, I can't be seen on a scooter!


    I get what you're saying but it (p-slin and glycergrow )are also marketed as pump products. So as far as pump goes, I like CN the best. right now I'm leaning out and can't use Heavy carbs often, so CN is doing the job well. When my first bottle runs out I will compare CM+ spinach to CN. How would I get the most out of the spinach? Should it be boiled, steamed, or raw and how much should i eat to get a decent amount of nitrates? (no sarcasm)
    I always have a spinach salads for a quick meal... so for me it is raw. But here is a study showing what you are looking for.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...0&searchtype=a
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    Quote Originally Posted by msucurt View Post
    rodja, i have also been interested in getting a juicer. Can you tell me how you are using the juicer?

    just plain health benefits?
    getting more fruit in your diet?
    Fiber in your diet?
    PWO carbs?

    what have you experimented with and really liked so far ? What combinations?

    thanks for answering any questions
    I use it in two different ways: for the juice, obviously, and then the pulp as a base for smoothies.

    What I usually use in the morning is an apple, 2 carrots, and 5-6 strawberries (cleaned and trimmed) and this makes about 12-14 oz of juice. I then take the pulp out of the catcher and place it in a bowl for later. This makes the base of my smoothies along with almond of coconut milk with some extra spinach and frozen berries and some protein powder. The ORAC for these drinks is very high and extremely alkalinic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I use it in two different ways: for the juice, obviously, and then the pulp as a base for smoothies.

    What I usually use in the morning is an apple, 2 carrots, and 5-6 strawberries (cleaned and trimmed) and this makes about 12-14 oz of juice. I then take the pulp out of the catcher and place it in a bowl for later. This makes the base of my smoothies along with almond of coconut milk with some extra spinach and frozen berries and some protein powder. The ORAC for these drinks is very high and extremely alkalinic.
    Are you still trying to keep a relatively alkaline diet? I experimented with that once but missed my oats and rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Are you still trying to keep a relatively alkaline diet? I experimented with that once but missed my oats and rice.
    Yes, and I have been eating this way for several years. White rices are generally fine and make up a decent chunk of my carb intake.
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    Besides the temporary pump, is there any evidence to suggest Creatine Nitrate provides actual muscle building effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Besides the temporary pump, is there any evidence to suggest Creatine Nitrate provides actual muscle building effects?
    Assuming it elevates creatine plasma levels similar to that of mono, it would have all the same benefits as any other creatine.

    If it is actually more soluble, then it should reduce extracellular water bloat. Which imo is worth it. we all want to look better last I checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Assuming it elevates creatine plasma levels similar to that of mono, it would have all the same benefits as any other creatine.

    If it is actually more soluble, then it should reduce extracellular water bloat. Which imo is worth it. we all want to look better last I checked.
    lol-exactly.


    it seems we have detractors on one side-who haven't even used creatine nitrate.

    we have actually users on the other side, who all claim it works as advertised!!!

    i can say from experience it works dammed good!!! comparing creatine nitrate to mono is like comparing everclear to near beer in potency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Assuming it elevates creatine plasma levels similar to that of mono, it would have all the same benefits as any other creatine.

    If it is actually more soluble, then it should reduce extracellular water bloat. Which imo is worth it. we all want to look better last I checked.
    Right. It just seems like most people comment on the temporary effects of Creatine Nitrate rather than any long-term compositional effects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Right. It just seems like most people comment on the temporary effects of Creatine Nitrate rather than any long-term compositional effects...
    i could tell you my experience, but i think i already have. if you are really interested in it, try it for yourself. i don't think anyone has been disappointed yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i could tell you my experience, but i think i already have. if you are really interested in it, try it for yourself. i don't think anyone has been disappointed yet.
    For the record, I've used Creatine Nitrate in two different pre-workout formulations. I can't say either one was superior to any pre-workout I've used to date.

    Just curious, but why are you so adamant about Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph? Do you have any affiliation with APS, or...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Right. It just seems like most people comment on the temporary effects of Creatine Nitrate rather than any long-term compositional effects...
    I've noticed that as well but im not sure people have had a good chance to make it a staple creatine yet.

    I also wonder if some of the extracellular water retention from mono could also be a root cause of the dht increases a couple of studies have reported from mono.

    This could be an important diferentiation if so, and obviously some guys who want to keep their hair are not in the market for something that alters the dht to T ratio. Just a weak hypothesis at this point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    For the record, I've used Creatine Nitrate in two different pre-workout formulations. I can't say either one was superior to any pre-workout I've used to date.

    Just curious, but why are you so adamant about Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph? Do you have any affiliation with APS, or...
    do you see a sig under my name.


    ok, so we have a winner-of all the people on here that have tried creatine nitrate you are the 1st who didn't like it-congratulations!!!


    btw-if a product works this well for me i will support it. mesomorph/creatine nitrate are the best non hormonal products i have used to date. sorry you didn't like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol-exactly.


    it seems we have detractors on one side-who haven't even used creatine nitrate.

    we have actually users on the other side, who all claim it works as advertised!!!

    i can say from experience it works dammed good!!! comparing creatine nitrate to mono is like comparing everclear to near beer in potency.
    Your argument is asinine. because someone has not used it their theory and scientific knowledge has no merit?

    You had no clue before Royd had an actual thought other than "It works". Considering it is a proprietary blend, no one even knows how much is actual creatine vs. nitrates and vitamin C besides the formulator, and APS most likely doesn't even know because Creatrate is licensed and patented. I use micronized creatine at 2Gs a day without any bloat and I get the beneficial effects (Which I pulled from one of those evil studies that showed Mono is effective in that dose).

    I didn't even have an issue till your incessant wobbly argument felt the need to attempt a last jab before an exit. Years from now I give you a 10:1 odds on what the king of creatine will be. history has repeated itself multiple time with all these designer creatines popping up then going quietly into the night... DiCmalate, KreAlkaline, ConCrete, etc... etc..

    I do like how a thread from Nutra asking if someone wanted bulk creatine nitrate turned into all this from me simply saying take your mono and eat your greens.
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    I'm as skeptical about the supplement industry as they come. I've offered my opinions of PWO's like ASGT, not always in flattering fashion. I've yet to come across anything remotely close to Mesomorph and CN. Even my friends who I've offered samples to, came back the next day and asked me where they could order it. I've used nitrate products before, such as Power Shock, but nothing comes close to the pump, vascularity, lean/dry look I get from CN. I've offered reviews on tons of products, 99.9% of which I buy myself and if they did nothing for me, I state that. CN is the real deal. I can only state what I feel it's done for me, as well as my friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Your argument is asinine. because someone has not used it their theory and scientific knowledge has no merit?

    You had no clue before Royd had an actual thought other than "It works". Considering it is a proprietary blend, no one even knows how much is actual creatine vs. nitrates and vitamin C besides the formulator, and APS most likely doesn't even know because Creatrate is licensed and patented. I use micronized creatine at 2Gs a day without any bloat and beneficial effects (Which I pulled from one of those evil studies that showed Mono is effective in that dose).

    I didn't even have an issue till your incessant wobbly argument felt the need to attempt a last jab before an exit. Years from now I give you a 10:1 odds on what the king of creatine will be. history has repeated itself multiple time with all these designer creatines popping up then going quietly into the night... DiCmalate, KreAlkaline, ConCrete, etc... etc..

    I do like how a thread from Nutra asking if someone wanted bulk creatine nitrate turned into all this from me simply saying take your mono and eat your greens.
    great post-thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    do you see a sig under my name.


    ok, so we have a winner-of all the people on here that have tried creatine nitrate you are the 1st who didn't like it-congratulations!!!


    btw-if a product works this well for me i will support it. mesomorph/creatine nitrate are the best non hormonal products i have used to date. sorry you didn't like them.
    Haha, come on now... Creatine Nitrate is relatively new and is not in-stock at NP. Wait until a substantial amount of users provide feedback before singling me out.
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    So when we going to get bulk creatine nitrate again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Haha, come on now... Creatine Nitrate is relatively new and is not in-stock at NP. Wait until a substantial amount of users provide feedback before singling me out.
    sorry, that was unfair and i apologize.
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    I agree with Hoop, this thread shouldn't devolve into arguments over whether or not something works. I would defer to the opinions of those who have used the product, combined with a good program/diet. Volcom is a great example, as I remember him stating something to the effect that CN offered him certain tangible benefits, that he hadn't experienced with CM. I agree specifically in regards to research, that CM has the most backing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Science aside and comparing this to that, its pretty clear that it works. A lot of people, well basically every person, says CN does what it is claimed to do.
    Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".
    Most of those already exist lol
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    On a side note, not a rep, nor an employee of APS. I ordered Meso and Creatine Nitrate myself before judge came on board as a rep, and before APS became very active on this board. Hopefully I've offered enough reviews on products, of which I've spent my own money (non-sponsored) on, that my opinions/feedback might be worth something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".
    Yeah I am not just on AM thanks, most of the reviews are from other boards from people I know and trust and wow you really don't like anything I post do you? I am happy to be at your service.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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    Creatine monohydrate has very poor solubility and dissolution properties, and unfortunately, creatine monohydrate requires a long time to dissolve in water. When an athlete ingests creatine monohydrate, it will stay in his/her gut for a long period of time to dissolve. To assist in the dissolving process, water is pulled into the gut. When excess water is pulled into the gut, we observe the notorious side effects of creatine monohydrate such as water retention, bloating, cramping, and nausea.*

    In addition, creatine monohydrate is not stable in acidic conditions, such as those found in the gastrointestinal tract. With this stability challenge, it is warranted that creatine monohydrate be administered at higher dosages to achieve its benefits. However, with escalating creatine monohydrate dosages, the side effect profile increases.*

    Creatine Nitrate has been shown to have superior solubility

    http://www.premiumingredients.com/in...tudies_002.pdf

    I believe it's much more then just the nitrates producing the amazing pumps, the nitrate bonded to the creatine is what makes the effects so dramatic. If it was just the nitrates then everyone would be raving about Yoked as everyone is about Creatine Nitrate. Everyone who has logged or left a review for Creatine Nitrate it has been amazing, that's because once your done a bottle you will realize it does produce great muscle building effects.

    Nitrates will increase nitric oxide but we believe most of the pumps are coming from the fast absorbed Creatine and again pefect example is AAKG Nitrate reviews havn't been near as positive as Creatine Nitrate, thats because the fast absorption of Creatine will be far superior then fast absorption of AAKG.

    Yes there are way more studies with Mono out, thats because it's been around a lot longer, but you have to give Creatine Nitrate a fair trial before you just give it a no and with all the amazing reviews coming up about Creatine Nitrate, to me, I don't know how you say it's all in our heads.

    Take some Creatine Mono + some beet juice pre-workout and then try 2225mg of Creatine Nitrate pre-workout and let me know how far off you are
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    Interesting read on the performance enhancing effects of Beetroot juice:

    Does dietary nitrate from beetroot juice improve athletic performance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".
    Thats because we choose to do most of our logs on AnabolicMinds, it's a great community with great people and we would rather give out our products to log on this site then anywhere else. But we do have some logs on AAF, MFF and BB.com and what do ya know, amazing feedback on all of them.

    Ya I'd say a lot of people on AM are enjoying Creatine Nitrate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Creatine monohydrate has very poor solubility and dissolution properties, and unfortunately, creatine monohydrate requires a long time to dissolve in water. When an athlete ingests creatine monohydrate, it will stay in his/her gut for a long period of time to dissolve. To assist in the dissolving process, water is pulled into the gut. When excess water is pulled into the gut, we observe the notorious side effects of creatine monohydrate such as water retention, bloating, cramping, and nausea.*

    In addition, creatine monohydrate is not stable in acidic conditions, such as those found in the gastrointestinal tract. With this stability challenge, it is warranted that creatine monohydrate be administered at higher dosages to achieve its benefits. However, with escalating creatine monohydrate dosages, the side effect profile increases.*

    Creatine Nitrate has been shown to have superior solubility

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    I believe it's much more then just the nitrates producing the amazing pumps, the nitrate bonded to the creatine is what makes the effects so dramatic. If it was just the nitrates then everyone would be raving about Yoked as everyone is about Creatine Nitrate. Everyone who has logged or left a review for Creatine Nitrate it has been amazing, that's because once your done a bottle you will realize it does produce great muscle building effects.

    Nitrates will increase nitric oxide but we believe most of the pumps are coming from the fast absorbed Creatine and again pefect example is AAKG Nitrate reviews havn't been near as positive as Creatine Nitrate, thats because the fast absorption of Creatine will be far superior then fast absorption of AAKG.

    Yes there are way more studies with Mono out, thats because it's been around a lot longer, but you have to give Creatine Nitrate a fair trial before you just give it a no and with all the amazing reviews coming up about Creatine Nitrate, to me, I don't know how you say it's all in our heads.

    Take some Creatine Mono + some beet juice pre-workout and then try 2225mg of Creatine Nitrate pre-workout and let me know how far off you are
    Is that the study everyone is basing their stuff off of?

    Can you point me to a real study that has been peer reviewed and not put out by the company that produces the product for sale? That study and their marketing brochure are nearly identical. Your posts is almost word for word from it. If that is considered a study it has so many holes on process and information. Plus that info sheet states solubility in water by 1000% (Which by the way is 10x dissolution, not 1000x) but somehow people are touting it as 1000x bio available absorption, which the two do not 100% correlate to each other.

    Any real research you can provide would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Interesting read on the performance enhancing effects of Beetroot juice:

    Does dietary nitrate from beetroot juice improve athletic performance?
    Wow, a veggie rich in nitrates as mentioned prior showing an increase in athletic performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Wow, a veggie rich in nitrates as mentioned prior showing an increase in athletic performance.
    Like I said Creatine Mono has way more studies so there is no way I could argue and win. So if you would like to have Mono+veggie pre-workout then stick with that.

    But at the end of the day if you ran mono for 30 days and CN for 30 days, you would get much better results with Creatine Nitrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Like I said Creatine Mono has way more studies so there is no way I could argue and win. So if you would like to have Mono+veggie pre-workout then stick with that.

    But at the end of the day if you ran mono for 30 days and CN for 30 days, you would get much better results with Creatine Nitrate.
    You will find I am open to any information you can provide. So far it is just word of mouth. Here is the jist... creatine works, nitrates work, hell vitamin c works... so why would I say it didnt work?

    I just have yet to see any real science yet. I am skeptical because we have seen the same old song with regard to creatine and all the super new forms. Everyone gets great results up and down the gamut, then it fades and people say it was crap.

    If you have something you can share I am always open to learning more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Is that the study everyone is basing their stuff off of?

    Can you point me to a real study that has been peer reviewed and not put out by the company that produces the product for sale? That study and their marketing brochure are nearly identical. Your posts is almost word for word from it. If that is considered a study it has so many holes on process and information. Plus that info sheet states solubility in water by 1000% (Which by the way is 10x dissolution, not 1000x) but somehow people are touting it as 1000x bio available absorption, which the two do not 100% correlate to each other.

    Any real research you can provide would be appreciated.
    I take a moderate level of offense to this, as that Univ happens to be the one I am currently working on my masters from.... :P
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    Good points in this post. Regarding spinach, it has always helped me lose weight, as when I find myself plateaued, it's always been because I'm too acidic, a bit of spinach and within a day or two, I'm back to my losing ways. Definitely a key in my opinion for a high protein diet. On a side note, I noticed the new SuperPump Max by Gaspar has beet extract in it, wondering if it's nitrate related?
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    Quote Originally Posted by subweevil View Post
    Good points in this post. Regarding spinach, it has always helped me lose weight, as when I find myself plateaued, it's always been because I'm too acidic, a bit of spinach and within a day or two, I'm back to my losing ways. Definitely a key in my opinion for a high protein diet. On a side note, I noticed the new SuperPump Max by Gaspar has beet extract in it, wondering if it's nitrate related?
    Considering their beef with Thermolife, it's likely their attempt around using nitrate bonded aminos.
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