Bulk Creatine Nitrate

[southpaw23]

I'm as skeptical about the supplement industry as they come. I've offered my opinions of PWO's like ASGT, not always in flattering fashion. I've yet to come across anything remotely close to Mesomorph and CN. Even my friends who I've offered samples to, came back the next day and asked me where they could order it. I've used nitrate products before, such as Power Shock, but nothing comes close to the pump, vascularity, lean/dry look I get from CN. I've offered reviews on tons of products, 99.9% of which I buy myself and if they did nothing for me, I state that. CN is the real deal. I can only state what I feel it's done for me, as well as my friends.

 

[thebigt]

Your argument is asinine. because someone has not used it their theory and scientific knowledge has no merit?

You had no clue before Royd had an actual thought other than "It works". Considering it is a proprietary blend, no one even knows how much is actual creatine vs. nitrates and vitamin C besides the formulator, and APS most likely doesn't even know because Creatrate is licensed and patented. I use micronized creatine at 2Gs a day without any bloat and beneficial effects (Which I pulled from one of those evil studies that showed Mono is effective in that dose).

I didn't even have an issue till your incessant wobbly argument felt the need to attempt a last jab before an exit. Years from now I give you a 10:1 odds on what the king of creatine will be. history has repeated itself multiple time with all these designer creatines popping up then going quietly into the night... DiCmalate, KreAlkaline, ConCrete, etc... etc..

I do like how a thread from Nutra asking if someone wanted bulk creatine nitrate turned into all this from me simply saying take your mono and eat your greens.

great post-thanks.

 

[hoopem6]

do you see a sig under my name.


ok, so we have a winner-of all the people on here that have tried creatine nitrate you are the 1st who didn't like it-congratulations!!!


btw-if a product works this well for me i will support it. mesomorph/creatine nitrate are the best non hormonal products i have used to date. sorry you didn't like them.

Haha, come on now... Creatine Nitrate is relatively new and is not in-stock at NP. Wait until a substantial amount of users provide feedback before singling me out.

 

[oufinny]

So when we going to get bulk creatine nitrate again?

 

[thebigt]

Haha, come on now... Creatine Nitrate is relatively new and is not in-stock at NP. Wait until a substantial amount of users provide feedback before singling me out.

sorry, that was unfair and i apologize.

 

[southpaw23]

I agree with Hoop, this thread shouldn't devolve into arguments over whether or not something works. I would defer to the opinions of those who have used the product, combined with a good program/diet. Volcom is a great example, as I remember him stating something to the effect that CN offered him certain tangible benefits, that he hadn't experienced with CM. I agree specifically in regards to research, that CM has the most backing.

 

[T-Bone]

Science aside and comparing this to that, its pretty clear that it works. A lot of people, well basically every person, says CN does what it is claimed to do.

Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".

Most of those already exist lol

 

[southpaw23]

On a side note, not a rep, nor an employee of APS. I ordered Meso and Creatine Nitrate myself before judge came on board as a rep, and before APS became very active on this board. Hopefully I've offered enough reviews on products, of which I've spent my own money (non-sponsored) on, that my opinions/feedback might be worth something.

 

[oufinny]

Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".

Yeah I am not just on AM thanks, most of the reviews are from other boards from people I know and trust and wow you really don't like anything I post do you? I am happy to be at your service. :spank:

 

[JudgementDay]

Creatine monohydrate has very poor solubility and dissolution properties, and unfortunately, creatine monohydrate requires a long time to dissolve in water. When an athlete ingests creatine monohydrate, it will stay in his/her gut for a long period of time to dissolve. To assist in the dissolving process, water is pulled into the gut. When excess water is pulled into the gut, we observe the notorious side effects of creatine monohydrate such as water retention, bloating, cramping, and nausea.*

In addition, creatine monohydrate is not stable in acidic conditions, such as those found in the gastrointestinal tract. With this stability challenge, it is warranted that creatine monohydrate be administered at higher dosages to achieve its benefits. However, with escalating creatine monohydrate dosages, the side effect profile increases.*

Creatine Nitrate has been shown to have superior solubility

http://www.premiumingredients.com/ingredients/documents/TechnicalSummary-CreatrateClinicalStudies_002.pdf

I believe it's much more then just the nitrates producing the amazing pumps, the nitrate bonded to the creatine is what makes the effects so dramatic. If it was just the nitrates then everyone would be raving about Yoked as everyone is about Creatine Nitrate. Everyone who has logged or left a review for Creatine Nitrate it has been amazing, that's because once your done a bottle you will realize it does produce great muscle building effects.

Nitrates will increase nitric oxide but we believe most of the pumps are coming from the fast absorbed Creatine and again pefect example is AAKG Nitrate reviews havn't been near as positive as Creatine Nitrate, thats because the fast absorption of Creatine will be far superior then fast absorption of AAKG.

Yes there are way more studies with Mono out, thats because it's been around a lot longer, but you have to give Creatine Nitrate a fair trial before you just give it a no and with all the amazing reviews coming up about Creatine Nitrate, to me, I don't know how you say it's all in our heads.

Take some Creatine Mono + some beet juice pre-workout and then try 2225mg of Creatine Nitrate pre-workout and let me know how far off you are :friday:

 

[hoopem6]

Interesting read on the performance enhancing effects of Beetroot juice:

Does dietary nitrate from beetroot juice improve athletic performance?

 

[JudgementDay]

Really?. Basically every person?. What, you mean on a message board with APS as the Sponsor?. Because I haven't seen these rave reviews you are talking about besides here on anabolicminds. Plus, guess what? you can't trust all reviews you see online. If you were around when CEE first hit the market you would have seen the same exact thing. Its a pattern easily recognizable. Now guess whats gonna happen?. Supplement companies are gonna start coming out with everything "Nitrate"...Daa Nitrate, Glutamine Nitrate, Whey Protein Nitrate. You get the idea. Why mess with something that already works fine?. I'll tell you why....Its so they can charge more for a product they claim to be "Better".

Thats because we choose to do most of our logs on AnabolicMinds, it's a great community with great people and we would rather give out our products to log on this site then anywhere else. But we do have some logs on AAF, MFF and BB.com and what do ya know, amazing feedback on all of them.

Ya I'd say a lot of people on AM are enjoying Creatine Nitrate...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/168241-big-hug-aps.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/168049-aps-mesomorph.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/167505-aps-creatine-nitrate.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/aps-nutrition/167376-volcoms-creatine-nitrate.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/164485-big-beazy-aps.html#post2659096

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/164730-aps-creatine-nitrate.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/164787-midwestbeast-goes-into.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/164978-aps-creatine-nitrate.html#post2667673

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165534-volcoms-creatine-nitrate.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165835-aps-creatine-nitrate.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/166654-bludevils-plasmagen-creatine.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/166752-my-aps-creatine.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/167643-packers6211-aps-mega.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/167678-otang-goes-aps.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/168020-otang-loggs-mesomorph.html#post2729633

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/164725-aps-mesomorph-testatropinv2.html

 

[DAdams91982]

Creatine monohydrate has very poor solubility and dissolution properties, and unfortunately, creatine monohydrate requires a long time to dissolve in water. When an athlete ingests creatine monohydrate, it will stay in his/her gut for a long period of time to dissolve. To assist in the dissolving process, water is pulled into the gut. When excess water is pulled into the gut, we observe the notorious side effects of creatine monohydrate such as water retention, bloating, cramping, and nausea.*

In addition, creatine monohydrate is not stable in acidic conditions, such as those found in the gastrointestinal tract. With this stability challenge, it is warranted that creatine monohydrate be administered at higher dosages to achieve its benefits. However, with escalating creatine monohydrate dosages, the side effect profile increases.*

Creatine Nitrate has been shown to have superior solubility

http://www.premiumingredients.com/ingredients/documents/TechnicalSummary-CreatrateClinicalStudies_002.pdf

I believe it's much more then just the nitrates producing the amazing pumps, the nitrate bonded to the creatine is what makes the effects so dramatic. If it was just the nitrates then everyone would be raving about Yoked as everyone is about Creatine Nitrate. Everyone who has logged or left a review for Creatine Nitrate it has been amazing, that's because once your done a bottle you will realize it does produce great muscle building effects.

Nitrates will increase nitric oxide but we believe most of the pumps are coming from the fast absorbed Creatine and again pefect example is AAKG Nitrate reviews havn't been near as positive as Creatine Nitrate, thats because the fast absorption of Creatine will be far superior then fast absorption of AAKG.

Yes there are way more studies with Mono out, thats because it's been around a lot longer, but you have to give Creatine Nitrate a fair trial before you just give it a no and with all the amazing reviews coming up about Creatine Nitrate, to me, I don't know how you say it's all in our heads.

Take some Creatine Mono + some beet juice pre-workout and then try 2225mg of Creatine Nitrate pre-workout and let me know how far off you are :friday:

Is that the study everyone is basing their stuff off of?

Can you point me to a real study that has been peer reviewed and not put out by the company that produces the product for sale? That study and their marketing brochure are nearly identical. Your posts is almost word for word from it. If that is considered a study it has so many holes on process and information. Plus that info sheet states solubility in water by 1000% (Which by the way is 10x dissolution, not 1000x) but somehow people are touting it as 1000x bio available absorption, which the two do not 100% correlate to each other.

Any real research you can provide would be appreciated.

 

[DAdams91982]

Interesting read on the performance enhancing effects of Beetroot juice:

Does dietary nitrate from beetroot juice improve athletic performance?

Wow, a veggie rich in nitrates as mentioned prior showing an increase in athletic performance.

 

[JudgementDay]

Wow, a veggie rich in nitrates as mentioned prior showing an increase in athletic performance.

Like I said Creatine Mono has way more studies so there is no way I could argue and win. So if you would like to have Mono+veggie pre-workout then stick with that.

But at the end of the day if you ran mono for 30 days and CN for 30 days, you would get much better results with Creatine Nitrate.

 

[DAdams91982]

Like I said Creatine Mono has way more studies so there is no way I could argue and win. So if you would like to have Mono+veggie pre-workout then stick with that.

But at the end of the day if you ran mono for 30 days and CN for 30 days, you would get much better results with Creatine Nitrate.

You will find I am open to any information you can provide. So far it is just word of mouth. Here is the jist... creatine works, nitrates work, hell vitamin c works... so why would I say it didnt work?

I just have yet to see any real science yet. I am skeptical because we have seen the same old song with regard to creatine and all the super new forms. Everyone gets great results up and down the gamut, then it fades and people say it was crap.

If you have something you can share I am always open to learning more.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Is that the study everyone is basing their stuff off of?

Can you point me to a real study that has been peer reviewed and not put out by the company that produces the product for sale? That study and their marketing brochure are nearly identical. Your posts is almost word for word from it. If that is considered a study it has so many holes on process and information. Plus that info sheet states solubility in water by 1000% (Which by the way is 10x dissolution, not 1000x) but somehow people are touting it as 1000x bio available absorption, which the two do not 100% correlate to each other.

Any real research you can provide would be appreciated.

I take a moderate level of offense to this, as that Univ happens to be the one I am currently working on my masters from....

 

[subweevil]

Good points in this post. Regarding spinach, it has always helped me lose weight, as when I find myself plateaued, it's always been because I'm too acidic, a bit of spinach and within a day or two, I'm back to my losing ways. Definitely a key in my opinion for a high protein diet. On a side note, I noticed the new SuperPump Max by Gaspar has beet extract in it, wondering if it's nitrate related?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Good points in this post. Regarding spinach, it has always helped me lose weight, as when I find myself plateaued, it's always been because I'm too acidic, a bit of spinach and within a day or two, I'm back to my losing ways. Definitely a key in my opinion for a high protein diet. On a side note, I noticed the new SuperPump Max by Gaspar has beet extract in it, wondering if it's nitrate related?

Considering their beef with Thermolife, it's likely their attempt around using nitrate bonded aminos.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

We all know CM has about a ridiculous amount of research proving it's ability.

Lets not forget saliva contains an enormous amount of nitrates, and simply avoiding mouthwash will be beneficial.

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(11)00014-3

http://www.laibamedical.com/food-and-diet/596-spinach-may-boost-exercise.html

http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science-Nutrition/Dietary-nitrates-may-be-beneficial-for-heart-health-Study

Did anyone actually do the math on this? The study all three of these articles are referencing is actually this one (although all three reference the commentary from the journal, not the actual study). Anyways, just eye balling it, it appears you would have to eat quite a bit of spinach (example) to reach similar consumption levels of nitrates.

Cell Metab. 2011 Feb 2;13(2):149-59.

Dietary inorganic nitrate improves mitochondrial efficiency in humans.
Larsen FJ, Schiffer TA, Borniquel S, Sahlin K, Ekblom B, Lundberg JO, Weitzberg E.

Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, Karolinska Institutet, 11486 Stockholm, Sweden; Swedish School of Sport and Health Sciences, Karolinska Institutet, 11486 Stockholm, Sweden.

Abstract
Nitrate, an inorganic anion abundant in vegetables, is converted in vivo to bioactive nitrogen oxides including NO. We recently demonstrated that dietary nitrate reduces oxygen cost during physical exercise, but the mechanism remains unknown. In a double-blind crossover trial we studied the effects of a dietary intervention with inorganic nitrate on basal mitochondrial function and whole-body oxygen consumption in healthy volunteers. Skeletal muscle mitochondria harvested after nitrate supplementation displayed an improvement in oxidative phosphorylation efficiency (P/O ratio) and a decrease in state 4 respiration with and without atractyloside and respiration without adenylates. The improved mitochondrial P/O ratio correlated to the reduction in oxygen cost during exercise. Mechanistically, nitrate reduced the expression of ATP/ADP translocase, a protein involved in proton conductance. We conclude that dietary nitrate has profound effects on basal mitochondrial function. These findings may have implications for exercise physiology- and lifestyle-related disorders that involve dysfunctional mitochondria.

Copyright © 2011 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
PMID: 21284982 [PubMed - in process]

 

[mikaveli06]

For the record, I've used Creatine Nitrate in two different pre-workout formulations. I can't say either one was superior to any pre-workout I've used to date.

Just curious, but why are you so adamant about Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph? Do you have any affiliation with APS, or...

I suggest trying Creatine Nitrate in addition to a pre-workout............alot of pre-workouts dont have full doses of creatine in them.....if i remember correctly Mesomorph has roughly 2-3 caps worth of CN, and a full days seving is 8.....so i usually take 3-4 caps CN and meso as pre, then 2 more CN post...and my numbers may be slightly off as i am not a rep or sponser, but going off of memory of what iwas told

 

[hoopem6]

I suggest trying Creatine Nitrate in addition to a pre-workout............alot of pre-workouts dont have full doses of creatine in them.....if i remember correctly Mesomorph has roughly 2-3 caps worth of CN, and a full days seving is 8.....so i usually take 3-4 caps CN and meso as pre, then 2 more CN post...and my numbers may be slightly off as i am not a rep or sponser, but going off of memory of what iwas told

So, one serving of Mesomorph's 4.5 gram Mesoswell-Cell Volumizing ATP Matrix only contains 750 mg's of Creatine Nitrate?

 

[JudgementDay]

So, one serving of Mesomorph's 4.5 gram Mesoswell-Cell Volumizing ATP Matrix only contains 750 mg's of Creatine Nitrate?

Yes there is 750mg's of Creatine Nitrate in 1 scoop of Mesomorph, you do feel a little extra pump off 750mg's, but when you add 4 caps of Creatine Nitrate(1500mg's) to get 2250mg's of CN you get to feel a whole other level of pumps.

 

[T-Bone]

What if I'm not after pumps?

 

[JudgementDay]

What if I'm not after pumps?

If pumps is something you want to stay away from, then I think Creatine Nitrate probably isn't for you.

 

[Rodja]

If pumps is something you want to stay away from, then I think Creatine Nitrate probably isn't for you.

I guess that begs the question of is it merely cosmetic or is there some additional ergogenic benefit over CM?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

I guess that begs the question of is it merely cosmetic or is there some additional ergogenic benefit over CM?

The "pump" is completely besides the point when talking about performance improvements. The following would indicate a potential for ergogenic benefits:

J Appl Physiol. 2010 Jul;109(1):135-48. Epub 2010 May 13.

Dietary nitrate supplementation enhances muscle contractile efficiency during knee-extensor exercise in humans.
Bailey SJ, Fulford J, Vanhatalo A, Winyard PG, Blackwell JR, DiMenna FJ, Wilkerson DP, Benjamin N, Jones AM.

School of Sport and Health Sciences, University of Exeter, Heavitree Rd., Exeter EX1 2LU, UK.

Erratum in:

J Appl Physiol. 2010 Sep;109(3):943.

Abstract
The purpose of this study was to elucidate the mechanistic bases for the reported reduction in the O(2) cost of exercise following short-term dietary nitrate (NO(3)(-)) supplementation. In a randomized, double-blind, crossover study, seven men (aged 19-38 yr) consumed 500 ml/day of either nitrate-rich beet root juice (BR, 5.1 mmol of NO(3)(-)/day) or placebo (PL, with negligible nitrate content) for 6 consecutive days, and completed a series of low-intensity and high-intensity "step" exercise tests on the last 3 days for the determination of the muscle metabolic (using (31)P-MRS) and pulmonary oxygen uptake (Vo(2)) responses to exercise. On days 4-6, BR resulted in a significant increase in plasma [nitrite] (mean +/- SE, PL 231 +/- 76 vs. BR 547 +/- 55 nM; P < 0.05). During low-intensity exercise, BR attenuated the reduction in muscle phosphocreatine concentration ([PCr]; PL 8.1 +/- 1.2 vs. BR 5.2 +/- 0.8 mM; P < 0.05) and the increase in Vo(2) (PL 484 +/- 41 vs. BR 362 +/- 30 ml/min; P < 0.05). During high-intensity exercise, BR reduced the amplitudes of the [PCr] (PL 3.9 +/- 1.1 vs. BR 1.6 +/- 0.7 mM; P < 0.05) and Vo(2) (PL 209 +/- 30 vs. BR 100 +/- 26 ml/min; P < 0.05) slow components and improved time to exhaustion (PL 586 +/- 80 vs. BR 734 +/- 109 s; P < 0.01). The total ATP turnover rate was estimated to be less for both low-intensity (PL 296 +/- 58 vs. BR 192 +/- 38 microM/s; P < 0.05) and high-intensity (PL 607 +/- 65 vs. BR 436 +/- 43 microM/s; P < 0.05) exercise. Thus the reduced O(2) cost of exercise following dietary NO(3)(-) supplementation appears to be due to a reduced ATP cost of muscle force production. The reduced muscle metabolic perturbation with NO(3)(-) supplementation allowed high-intensity exercise to be tolerated for a greater period of time.

PMID: 20466802 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

J Appl Physiol. 2009 Oct;107(4):1144-55. Epub 2009 Aug 6.

Dietary nitrate supplementation reduces the O2 cost of low-intensity exercise and enhances tolerance to high-intensity exercise in humans.
Bailey SJ, Winyard P, Vanhatalo A, Blackwell JR, Dimenna FJ, Wilkerson DP, Tarr J, Benjamin N, Jones AM.

Exeter Univ., Sport and Health Sciences, St. Luke's Campus, Heavitree Rd., Exeter, EX1 2LU UK.

Comment in:

J Appl Physiol. 2009 Nov;107(5):1677; author reply 1678.

Abstract
Pharmacological sodium nitrate supplementation has been reported to reduce the O2 cost of submaximal exercise in humans. In this study, we hypothesized that dietary supplementation with inorganic nitrate in the form of beetroot juice (BR) would reduce the O2 cost of submaximal exercise and enhance the tolerance to high-intensity exercise. In a double-blind, placebo (PL)-controlled, crossover study, eight men (aged 19-38 yr) consumed 500 ml/day of either BR (containing 11.2 +/- 0.6 mM of nitrate) or blackcurrant cordial (as a PL, with negligible nitrate content) for 6 consecutive days and completed a series of "step" moderate-intensity and severe-intensity exercise tests on the last 3 days. On days 4-6, plasma nitrite concentration was significantly greater following dietary nitrate supplementation compared with PL (BR: 273 +/- 44 vs. PL: 140 +/- 50 nM; P < 0.05), and systolic blood pressure was significantly reduced (BR: 124 +/- 2 vs. PL: 132 +/- 5 mmHg; P < 0.01). During moderate exercise, nitrate supplementation reduced muscle fractional O2 extraction (as estimated using near-infrared spectroscopy). The gain of the increase in pulmonary O2 uptake following the onset of moderate exercise was reduced by 19% in the BR condition (BR: 8.6 +/- 0.7 vs. PL: 10.8 +/- 1.6 ml.min(-1).W(-1); P < 0.05). During severe exercise, the O2 uptake slow component was reduced (BR: 0.57 +/- 0.20 vs. PL: 0.74 +/- 0.24 l/min; P < 0.05), and the time-to-exhaustion was extended (BR: 675 +/- 203 vs. PL: 583 +/- 145 s; P < 0.05). The reduced O2 cost of exercise following increased dietary nitrate intake has important implications for our understanding of the factors that regulate mitochondrial respiration and muscle contractile energetics in humans.

PMID: 19661447 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free Article

Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2010 Oct;299(4):R1121-31. Epub 2010 Aug 11.

Acute and chronic effects of dietary nitrate supplementation on blood pressure and the physiological responses to moderate-intensity and incremental exercise.
Vanhatalo A, Bailey SJ, Blackwell JR, DiMenna FJ, Pavey TG, Wilkerson DP, Benjamin N, Winyard PG, Jones AM.

Univ. of Exeter, UK.

Abstract
Dietary nitrate (NO(3)(-)) supplementation with beetroot juice (BR) over 4-6 days has been shown to reduce the O(2) cost of submaximal exercise and to improve exercise tolerance. However, it is not known whether shorter (or longer) periods of supplementation have similar (or greater) effects. We therefore investigated the effects of acute and chronic NO(3)(-) supplementation on resting blood pressure (BP) and the physiological responses to moderate-intensity exercise and ramp incremental cycle exercise in eight healthy subjects. Following baseline tests, the subjects were assigned in a balanced crossover design to receive BR (0.5 l/day; 5.2 mmol of NO(3)(-)/day) and placebo (PL; 0.5 l/day low-calorie juice cordial) treatments. The exercise protocol (two moderate-intensity step tests followed by a ramp test) was repeated 2.5 h following first ingestion (0.5 liter) and after 5 and 15 days of BR and PL. Plasma nitrite concentration (baseline: 454 ± 81 nM) was significantly elevated (+39% at 2.5 h postingestion; +25% at 5 days; +46% at 15 days; P < 0.05) and systolic and diastolic BP (baseline: 127 ± 6 and 72 ± 5 mmHg, respectively) were reduced by ∼4% throughout the BR supplementation period (P < 0.05). Compared with PL, the steady-state Vo(2) during moderate exercise was reduced by ∼4% after 2.5 h and remained similarly reduced after 5 and 15 days of BR (P < 0.05). The ramp test peak power and the work rate at the gas exchange threshold (baseline: 322 ± 67 W and 89 ± 15 W, respectively) were elevated after 15 days of BR (331 ± 68 W and 105 ± 28 W; P < 0.05) but not PL (323 ± 68 W and 84 ± 18 W). These results indicate that dietary NO(3)(-) supplementation acutely reduces BP and the O(2) cost of submaximal exercise and that these effects are maintained for at least 15 days if supplementation is continued.

PMID: 20702806 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

There are more...

 

[Rodja]

The "pump" is completely besides the point when talking about performance improvements. The following would indicate a potential for ergogenic benefits:

There are more...

I know that a pump =/ any ergogenic benefits, which is exactly why I asked if it is more of a cosmetic supplement or something with additional benefits.

 

[subweevil]

On a funny side note, I've noticed bacon contains nitrates. I might have to try an experiment and see how many pounds of bacon to eat for a decent pump. Even if it doesn't work, hey, it's still bacon!!

 

[Royd The Noyd]

On a funny side note, I've noticed bacon contains nitrates. I might have to try an experiment and see how many pounds of bacon to eat for a decent pump. Even if it doesn't work, hey, it's still bacon!!

Bacon nitrates are different. But yeah bacon is good. :mischievous:

 

[hoopem6]

The "pump" is completely besides the point when talking about performance improvements...

Does AMS have any plans to release a Nitrate inspired supplement in the near future?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Does AMS have any plans to release a Nitrate inspired supplement in the near future?

Nope

 

[MidwestBeast]

On a funny side note, I've noticed bacon contains nitrates. I might have to try an experiment and see how many pounds of bacon to eat for a decent pump. Even if it doesn't work, hey, it's still bacon!!

Very amusing, considering all the bacon talk we had in the Testalensis thread...:lol:

 

[Ev52]

nitrates cooked become nitrites= not good

 

[HondaV65]

I got a bottle of APS CN last week ...

Popped four caps before morning workout and went in to hit back ...

Awesome - I don't care about the insane pump - it was awesome though but ...

I was throwing around weight like there was no tomorrow - very satisfying workout.

Where's that bulk CN now?

 

[subweevil]

nitrates cooked become nitrites= not good

I'm a real man, I eat my bacon raw.:rofl:

 

[thebigt]

I'm a real man, I eat my bacon raw.:rofl:

bacon sushi?:bling:

 

[Hawk]

I got a bottle of APS CN last week ...

Popped four caps before morning workout and went in to hit back ...

Awesome - I don't care about the insane pump - it was awesome though but ...

I was throwing around weight like there was no tomorrow - very satisfying workout.

Where's that bulk CN now?

So, how long have you been taking it? When you make a statement like that it tells me I should be expecting huge strength increases within a week.

 

[msucurt]

ok, thanks for that. I think i am going to purchase one, as I think this is a great way to get more nutrients, fiber, etc into your system. As you know most people's systems are acidic which isnt favorable to gains. What brand do you have.

thanks

I use it in two different ways: for the juice, obviously, and then the pulp as a base for smoothies.

What I usually use in the morning is an apple, 2 carrots, and 5-6 strawberries (cleaned and trimmed) and this makes about 12-14 oz of juice. I then take the pulp out of the catcher and place it in a bowl for later. This makes the base of my smoothies along with almond of coconut milk with some extra spinach and frozen berries and some protein powder. The ORAC for these drinks is very high and extremely alkalinic.

 

[Rodja]

ok, thanks for that. I think i am going to purchase one, as I think this is a great way to get more nutrients, fiber, etc into your system. As you know most people's systems are acidic which isnt favorable to gains. What brand do you have.

thanks

Amazon.com: The Sharper Image 8021SI Stainless-Steel 700-Watt Super Juicer: Kitchen & Dining

 

[Milas]

I know that a pump =/ any ergogenic benefits, which is exactly why I asked if it is more of a cosmetic supplement or something with additional benefits.

How would Creatine Nitrate compare to GPLC in that regard?

 

[thebigt]

How would Creatine Nitrate compare to GPLC in that regard?

:wizard:

 

[Milas]

On a funny side note, I've noticed bacon contains nitrates. I might have to try an experiment and see how many pounds of bacon to eat for a decent pump. Even if it doesn't work, hey, it's still bacon!!

Bacon nitrates are different. But yeah bacon is good. :mischievous:

Very amusing, considering all the bacon talk we had in the Testalensis thread...:lol:

I'm a real man, I eat my bacon raw.:rofl:

bacon sushi?:bling:

I like the direction this thread is going... :spam::boobies::usa2:

 

[thebigt]

I like the direction this thread is going... :spam::boobies::usa2:

better than it was, i feel like i took a beating in this thread, lol.

 

[msucurt]

thanks big guy!

Amazon.com: The Sharper Image 8021SI Stainless-Steel 700-Watt Super Juicer: Kitchen & Dining

 

[Rodja]

How would Creatine Nitrate compare to GPLC in that regard?

Well, GPLC has some clinical studies showing it helps on anaerobic fatigue and increasing NO levels. To my knowledge, there is not any study using CN.

 

[JudgementDay]

How would Creatine Nitrate compare to GPLC in that regard?

I like GPLC but I find Creatine Nitrate works much better, hey Milas didn't you find it worked better then GPLC as well?

They are both great ingredients but Creatine Nitrate reviews seem to be amazing, the strength gains some of the people have been getting on Creatine Nitrate have been outstanding, not sure if you checked out bludevils log but his lifts went way up!

 

[Milas]

Well, GPLC has some clinical studies showing it helps on anaerobic fatigue and increasing NO levels. To my knowledge, there is not any study using CN.

Interesting. Have you used GPLC? How were your results?

What would you say is better for anaerobic fatigue and increasing NO; GPLC or Nitrates?

(not necessarily creatine nitrate since there are no studies on that)

 

[Milas]

better than it was, i feel like i took a beating in this thread, lol.

You? You're one of the most cordial folks on here! You're not "repping" Creatine Nitrate again, are you? :nono2: