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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Creatine Mono + Spinach!

    i know spinach is high in nitrates... but this would really work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefall365 View Post
    i know spinach is high in nitrates... but this would really work?
    X2 would it be the same feel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefall365 View Post
    i know spinach is high in nitrates... but this would really work?
    We all know CM has about a ridiculous amount of research proving it's ability.

    Lets not forget saliva contains an enormous amount of nitrates, and simply avoiding mouthwash will be beneficial.

    http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...2811%2900014-3

    http://www.laibamedical.com/food-and...-exercise.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by wideguy View Post
    Is it bettet then yoked (wich imo blows) in terms of pump ? Btw chances are yes if its that great I willbuy it.
    I beta-tested Yok3d and seemed to be a non-responder to it. I tried several dosing protocols and just didn't get much of anything noticeable from it.

    I ran APS's Creatine Nitrate prior to that and noticed amazing pumps from it.




    As far as creatine monohydrate is concerned; I still have a tub of the stuff that I'm using now and have had for quite some time. I'll continue to use it as my regular creatine. I see CN as more of a pre-workout (just how I saw its benefits and enjoyed it), so it will be something I treat myself to from time to time and probably utilize during stimulant breaks as part of a pre-workout supplementation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    We all know CM has about a ridiculous amount of research proving it's ability.

    Lets not forget saliva contains an enormous amount of nitrates, and simply avoiding mouthwash will be beneficial.

    http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...2811%2900014-3

    http://www.laibamedical.com/food-and...-exercise.html

    http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science...t-health-Study
    You could also buy a juicer and make a mix of beets and spinach along with a more pleasant tasting fruit and make a hell of a drink for pre-WO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    You could also buy a juicer and make a mix of beets and spinach along with a more pleasant tasting fruit and make a hell of a drink for pre-WO.
    I agree... Most dont realize you do not need the latest pill to get a great ergogenic aide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I agree... Most dont realize you do not need the latest pill to get a great ergogenic aide.
    I just bought a juicer last week and I use it twice a day and haven't felt this good in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I just bought a juicer last week and I use it twice a day and haven't felt this good in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I agree... Most dont realize you do not need the latest pill to get a great ergogenic aide.
    just adding spinach or beet juice which are both high in natural nitrates won't be the same as bonding the creatine to nitrate, imo. guys on other forums have been trying to simulate the effects of creatine nitrate with less than stellar results. besides a $40 bottle of creatine nitrate goes a long way, why not go with what has been shown to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Jack Lalange is proud!
    A posthumous purchase, but still something I should have done a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    just adding spinach or beet juice which are both high in natural nitrates won't be the same as bonding the creatine to nitrate, imo. guys on other forums have been trying to simulate the effects of creatine nitrate with less than stellar results. besides a $40 bottle of creatine nitrate goes a long way, why not go with what has been shown to work?
    Any research by chance? I have yet to see research other than ThermoLifes that shows any semblance of proof that ionically bonding the two does anything.

    Just like the debunked ionically bonded Citrulline Malate was better than ingesting the two separately.

    I assume the research comes from the same research that somehow CN is 1000x more bioavailable than monohydrate.

    I get a great pump every workout, and I ingest lots of green leafs, and plenty of monohydrate. I was thinking of trying CN, but why when I get plenty in my Kilo of Monohydrate and tons of veggies.... and my constant supply of saliva!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    A posthumous purchase, but still something I should have done a long time ago.
    No doubt! I go through veggies like nothing. Drinking a good fresh juices cup would be phenominal... plus the vitamins get absorbed easier and quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Any research by chance? I have yet to see research other than ThermoLifes that shows any semblance of proof that ionically bonding the two does anything.

    Just like the debunked ionically bonded Citrulline Malate was better than ingesting the two separately.

    I assume the research comes from the same research that somehow CN is 1000x more bioavailable than monohydrate.

    I get a great pump every workout, and I ingest lots of green leafs, and plenty of monohydrate. I was thinking of trying CN, but why when I get plenty in my Kilo of Monohydrate and tons of veggies.... and my constant supply of saliva!
    i know you are a studies man, and place more faith in them than i do. but the proof is in the results, creatine mono and 10 bushels of veggies won't give the results that creatine nitrate gives, imo. in my personal experience-which means a hellava lot more to me than any study, creatine nitrate blows the doors off mono. try the cn and see for yourself-that is the study i would trust, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    No doubt! I go through veggies like nothing. Drinking a good fresh juices cup would be phenominal... plus the vitamins get absorbed easier and quicker.
    Indeed. I don't let the pulp go to waste either: I use them as a base for a smoothie with almond or coconut milk. I also never have trouble getting a pump even when I don't train for a pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Indeed. I don't let the pulp go to waste either: I use them as a base for a smoothie with almond or coconut milk. I also never have trouble getting a pump even when I don't train for a pump.
    I get what you and DAdams are saying but i too have tried both Cm and CN nitrate (been two weeks) and I gotta say the pumps are out of this world. I have no problem getting pumps in the gym either but CN takes it to the next level of feeling full. In my experience NOTHING has given me fuller pumps,ever. I've tried 100g of carbs w/ P-slin, Apump, Glycerol (mono and liquid), etc. and have to say i am a CN believer. Just saying, the stuff works for me.

    FWIW I use PP creapure on off days and CN preworkout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    I get what you and DAdams are saying but i too have tried both Cm and CN nitrate (been two weeks) and I gotta say the pumps are out of this world. I have no problem getting pumps in the gym either but CN takes it to the next level of feeling full. In my experience NOTHING has given me fuller pumps,ever. I've tried 100g of carbs w/ P-slin, Apump, Glycerol (mono and liquid), etc. and have to say i am a CN believer. Just saying, the stuff works for me.

    FWIW I use PP creapure on off days and CN preworkout.
    The pump is not from the creatine portion of CN, it is from the nitrates. Right now in your post you are comparing creatine mono to nitrates... two different things. Apples to refrigerators. All CN did was combine the two.

    Take my opinion for what it is worth. I am not saying anything is bad. Just saying this combination has been in the fitness community for along time if one did eat healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i know you are a studies man, and place more faith in them than i do. but the proof is in the results, creatine mono and 10 bushels of veggies won't give the results that creatine nitrate gives, imo. in my personal experience-which means a hellava lot more to me than any study, creatine nitrate blows the doors off mono. try the cn and see for yourself-that is the study i would trust, lol.
    To each their own. Physiologically, the same things are happening. The mind is a powerful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    To each their own. Physiologically, the same things are happening. The mind is a powerful thing.
    like confucius said-'if this is placebo i'll take it'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    The pump is not from the creatine portion of CN, it is from the nitrates. Right now in your post you are comparing creatine mono to nitrates... two different things. Apples to refrigerators. All CN did was combine the two.

    Take my opinion for what it is worth. I am not saying anything is bad. Just saying this combination has been in the fitness community for along time if one did eat healthy.
    Good points as always. You could argue (assuming solubility/bioavailabilty is better with cn) that the increase in intracellular water should add significantly to the pump. Or basically what mcc has been proven to do.

    The nitrates obviously further improve the pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    like confucius said-'if this is placebo i'll take it'.
    Exactly, I wasn't saying that in a negative light.

    CN hype follows almost exactly like CEE did. I was just giving people what they wanted in this thread. Creatine + Nitrates!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Exactly, I wasn't saying that in a negative light.

    CN hype follows almost exactly like CEE did. I was just giving people what they wanted in this thread. Creatine + Nitrates!
    apparently they already had what they wanted-aps creatine nitrate!!!


    haven't seen one bad review, and it is not that expensive for what you get.


    please, da-don't compare cn to cee-that is a joke, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    apparently they already had what they wanted-aps creatine nitrate!!!


    haven't seen one bad review, and it is not that expensive for what you get.


    please, da-don't compare cn to cee-that is a joke, lol.
    Like I said, to each their own.

    People said the same thing when comparing Creatine Mono to CEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Like I said, to each their own.

    People said the same thing when comparing Creatine Mono to CEE.
    this might be true if i were the only one experiencing such good results, but i doubt so many guys are having a collective delusion at the same time, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    this might be true if i were the only one experiencing such good results, but i doubt so many guys are having a collective delusion at the same time, lol.
    Again, same thing with CEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Again, same thing with CEE.
    lol-ok.


    i guess we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one.
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    Someone send me some CN and I will answer this debate! I am interested to see if it works as everyone says as I don't get "crazy pumps" unless I have the reps high or do a lot of drop sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Any research by chance? I have yet to see research other than ThermoLifes that shows any semblance of proof that ionically bonding the two does anything.

    Just like the debunked ionically bonded Citrulline Malate was better than ingesting the two separately.

    I assume the research comes from the same research that somehow CN is 1000x more bioavailable than monohydrate.

    I get a great pump every workout, and I ingest lots of green leafs, and plenty of monohydrate. I was thinking of trying CN, but why when I get plenty in my Kilo of Monohydrate and tons of veggies.... and my constant supply of saliva!

    I can't rep you enough. Creatine Mono is king. Its been around forever and has the most studies backing up its Safety and results. There is no more studied supplement than creatine mono. I can get a pump working out without any supplementation at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I can't rep you enough. Creatine Mono is king. Its been around forever and has the most studies backing up its Safety and results. There is no more studied supplement than creatine mono. I can get a pump working out without any supplementation at all.
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    observation: I ate a decent sized bowl of fresh spinach before gym today and noted no observable increase in pump.
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    as far as nitrate containing greens go, I dont think AOR's greens n berries can be beat. 2250mg beet juice,1388mg spinach, not to mention many other fruits and vegetables. awesome for health and peformance-been using it in my pre-wo ****tail for a while now.
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    It appears Purus' new product is DAA nitrate (just saw a post on fb).
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    as far as nitrate containing greens go, I dont think AOR's greens n berries can be beat. 2250mg beet juice,1388mg spinach, not to mention many other fruits and vegetables. awesome for health and peformance-been using it in my pre-wo ****tail for a while now.
    Is there any sugar in it? There is a decent amount of sugar in beets.
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    Beets are loaded with nitrates indeed.

    Is creatine nitrate a bound molecule or just a 1:1 mixture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Beets are loaded with nitrates indeed.

    Is creatine nitrate a bound molecule or just a 1:1 mixture?
    It's a bond assuming we are referring to Thermolife's patent.
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    rodja, i have also been interested in getting a juicer. Can you tell me how you are using the juicer?

    just plain health benefits?
    getting more fruit in your diet?
    Fiber in your diet?
    PWO carbs?

    what have you experimented with and really liked so far ? What combinations?

    thanks for answering any questions

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    I just bought a juicer last week and I use it twice a day and haven't felt this good in a long time.
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    Having used CEE/Creatine Monohydrate in the past, I'd say with confidence that Creatine Nitrate blows them away in terms of the effects. CEE was a fad supplement and died out accordingly, and monohydrate while proven, can cause bloating for some individuals including myself. I'd count myself as one of many, who rarely ever get a good pump if any at all, at least not the kind that I've experienced when using CN, and it's something I had never experienced before. It allowed me to remain lean/dry, while my strength increased weekly - with absolutely no change in diet. If that's a placebo effect, then I wish many more supp companies would bottle a placebo attached to a nitrate, because I'd be all over it. Just my personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    I get what you and DAdams are saying but i too have tried both Cm and CN nitrate (been two weeks) and I gotta say the pumps are out of this world. I have no problem getting pumps in the gym either but CN takes it to the next level of feeling full. In my experience NOTHING has given me fuller pumps,ever. I've tried 100g of carbs w/ P-slin, Apump, Glycerol (mono and liquid), etc. and have to say i am a CN believer. Just saying, the stuff works for me.

    FWIW I use PP creapure on off days and CN preworkout.
    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    The pump is not from the creatine portion of CN, it is from the nitrates. Right now in your post you are comparing creatine mono to nitrates... two different things. Apples to refrigerators. All CN did was combine the two.

    Take my opinion for what it is worth. I am not saying anything is bad. Just saying this combination has been in the fitness community for along time if one did eat healthy.
    I wasn't actually comparing CM to mono... I compared it to GDA's + carbs and glycerol (cause they give me increased pumps too). I said I use Mono on off days cause I recognize it's effectiveness but I use CN on workout days... for the pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    I wasn't actually comparing CM to mono... I compared it to GDA's + carbs and glycerol (cause they give me increased pumps too). I said I use Mono on off days cause I recognize it's effectiveness but I use CN on workout days... for the pumps.
    Then you are comparing two completely different pumps in that regard. One is responsible for Glut4 trans-location actually shuttling nutrients to muscle fibers. You are in a sense comparing a Ferrari to a scooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Then you are comparing two completely different pumps in that regard. One is responsible for Glut4 trans-location actually shuttling nutrients to muscle fibers. You are in a sense comparing a Ferrari to a scooter.
    Science aside and comparing this to that, its pretty clear that it works. A lot of people, well basically every person, says CN does what it is claimed to do. That for me is enough to try it and find out for myself. Let's net get too technical here and try to turn this into a pissing match of who's more knowledgeable than who. The best part of being consumers is if you think it is a fad, don't buy it, you spoke the loudest you could against it.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
  

  
 

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