Frank Mir is looking ripped!
- 07-12-2009, 03:21 AM
Dude...Hendo completely punking the loud mouth Brit made my night (especially the extra punch/elbow after the KO) and then the GSP fight was great (even though I picked Alves). However, making my buddies eat crow when Brock dominated Mir was priceless. They still don't give him the credit he deserves for the mass/power that he has. They will come around because he will have the belt for a long while!
- 07-12-2009, 03:29 AM
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07-12-2009, 03:41 AM
Speaking of which, I don't know if I've ever seen a fighter genuinely hate another fighter as much as Brock hated Mir. Damn the pre fight dramatics, Brock was in the fight with a real to life personal vendetta, where a victory didn't even fully alleviate that hate.
As far as GSP, if Alves was his best competition and GSP still had his way with TD's at will and leaving the fight utterly unscathed apart from heavy breathing. I may deem GSP with the "Fedor of the UFC welter weight division" award. He is head & shoulders above his competition. That said, Alves was a true warrior until the end. His heart & tenacity was undeniably admirable.
Akiyama was a bit disappointing. I built him up like I built I Mirko during his UFC debut to my friends and he got an arguably, undeserved win.
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07-12-2009, 06:18 AM
that guy [Brock] is missing some marbles. He makes Clay Guida look calm and composed. You see all that saliva come out his mouth as he's screaming into the camera?? With a card that big you can't have all your favs win
07-12-2009, 09:49 AM
I thought it was refreshing, actually - the way Brock screamed at Mir, that is. I get so tired of the daytime-talk show rivalries, that are always "squashed" with a hug; Lesnar truly hated Mir, and he told him that.
As for GSP, he would have to fight both Kampmann and Swick as the same time to make that fight competitive and/or entertaining. As I said all along the pre-fight build-up, Jon Fitch, and not Thiago Alves, was GSP's toughest competition - as in, he at least had a few marks after that fight. Thiago was dangerous, but much less of a comparative threat all along. When it comes down to it, people just love to get behind a striker, especially when UFC is passing around the hype doobie.
07-12-2009, 10:51 AM
All in all, Brock certainly has not won fans tonight, I believe (or last night). But I cannot see anyone in the UFC HW division beating him at the moment, he has a scary combo of speed and of course brute strength. And he's too smart to try things that look good / get more thumbs up from fans, but would put him at a disadvantage.
I found it impressive how he basically ate Mir's knee, Mir must have wondered "Does this guy feel pain at all?"
A match made in heaven would be, of course, Fedor vs Brock - if Dana could stop trashtalking for a while and just arrange for this one fight, it'd be any MMA fans dream come true.
07-12-2009, 11:07 AM
I really want to see who is the better huge muscled up heavy weight now (Brock or Shane Carwin). I think Brock has better athleticism and speed, but Carwin is a KO artist with massive power and strength. Besides him I don't think any other heavies have a chance. I try to back my stance that Brock deserved the shot based on how weak the UFC Heavy weight division was at the time Brock came in. Arloski and Tim Silvia were gone. Randy was "retired". That is like the boxing heavyweight division when Tyson went to jail. :-)
I think the GSP domination set up his fight with Anderson Silva. That will be a sweet fight unless the spider can turn it into a boring fight like his last 2.
07-12-2009, 11:56 AM
I still don't like Brock ! I'm sorry, not to take anything away from his freak nature, but the "Brock Mad....Brock throw man down....Brock hold man down...Brock smashy smashy man with right hand!!!!" thing doesn't impress me at all. But thats just me, and I'm no body so who cares. I just hate to see a champion who can be the champ just by really out sizeing and out weighing everyone, laying on them and smashy smash with right hand! But oh well.
07-12-2009, 12:18 PM
Guy still. ... STILL doesnt get the respect he deserves, I wonder if he wasnt french canadian if more of you yanks would like him and respect him, cause guess what? noone fckn can touch the guy , stand near him, breath near him or change in the same locker room as him.
And in case none of you guys know most Canadian"s arent french, most look just like Americans, dress, etc..etc etc, and most Canadian' s dont even like our French Province.
And if I was to have bet last night id of bet every penny i had on Lesner, one more guy who killed, and I mean killed his opponent, and wasnt getting any respct or votes of confidence.
07-12-2009, 12:49 PM
All that said, people dislike whoever they dislike, so I'm not trying to win you over or win an argument. It's all good, but if you want to get really technical & down to the nitty gritty, Brock's game plan was no different then GSP's. Take down, dominate & control from the top, neutralize the opponent on the ground and do damage. Apart from GSP's obvious superior class in execution, GSP's game plan was no different from Brock's at its roots & premise. TD, control, neutralize and damage. It's the traditional wrestler/striker combo. Again, if you want to see a one-dimensional, all strength & size fighter, just look at Bob Sapp, who outweighs Brock by 40lbs and he gets stopped all the time.
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07-12-2009, 12:55 PM
I was rooting for Alves, but my pick was GSP. I liked both fighters, but in this case, I was just rooting for the under dog. However, I was just as excited when GSP won, it just lacked the dramatics if Alves had won. As I mentioned before, I think GSP has earned the Fedor Award at welter weight.
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07-12-2009, 01:07 PM
All in all, this is what I have to say about Brock's Victory.
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07-12-2009, 01:38 PM
In my opinion its rather easy to be classy in defeat....if your not you will forever be dubbed a sore loser I actually think its easier than most people think, he got beat plain and simple, and yes GSP gets some respect but I truly believe if he wasnt a french Canadian he would be one Of the USA s biggest celebrities.
07-12-2009, 05:24 PM
I don't think GSP being French-Canadian has ANYTHING to do with a lack of U.S. appreciation for him (in your opinion), it's all relative to the popularity of the sport and MMA is not a top sport here. To be a TOP ATHLETE, you'll need to beat out Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James... to name a few, and that's without getting into the Football and baseball celebrities.
The biggest international athlete to ever touch American sole was probably David Beckham, but that's because he moved here and even then, he was only talked about until we realized we don't care for soccer here.
Biggest athlete in the U.S.? That's ridiculous, as big as Chuck Lidell was and Randy Couture was, you weren't going to hear their names called in the same sentence as Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods, Manny Ramirez or Peyton Manning, not even close. It's a matter of the popularity of the sport, not some weird anti French-Canadian argument your making. Holy cow that's ridiculous.
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07-12-2009, 06:23 PM
For an instantiation of this, one need look no further than the Akiyama/Belcher fight: you had, for an appreciable period, the crowd chanting "U-S-A" whenever Belcher would mount an offense. The reason, of course, was not necessarily that the crowed preferred "Belcher" over "Akiyama"; but rather, that Belcher was an American, and Akiyama was not. The fact that Akiyama is Asian and Belcher is American is entirely incidental to the outcome of the fight, and even further secondary to the manner in which that outcome is reached, but Americans tend to ignore this in the face of outward patriotism; as a result, the fighters which they tend to support and/or glamorize and/or adore is often implicitly, if not explicitly, based on their nationality.
As well, one has to understand my perspective is a relative one, not an absolute one - that is, fame relative to achievement. Put otherwise: given the exact same set of achievements, GSP's fame, reputation, and status as a fighter would all be heightened had he been born an American. For example, 90% of Americans who knew what MMA was felt Chuck Liddell was not only the best 205'er in the world, but the best P4P fighter in the world. Now, this is due in part to a confluence of factors, his nationality only being one of them; obviously, though, his status as an American and the lack of obscurity resultant thereof propelled him to these heights. To say that, all things equal, Americans prefer Americans to non-Americans, is just a fact.
07-12-2009, 08:06 PM
belcher won that fight. those leg kicks were nasty
now i really dont like brock at all. i hope someone beats him soon.
07-12-2009, 08:22 PM
Fedor will once Dana signs him, but Lesner will not be a push over for anyone! he is arguably the baddest dude there is right now opposed to Fedor. The UFC is already working on this fight. I guarantee it.
07-13-2009, 01:07 AM
Firstly, true, Americans have an innate preference for American fighters (in mass), such as the Akiyama vs Welch example you brought up. Two relatively unknown fighters (with the exception of Jas' poster of Akiyama in his room) and the bias went to Welch with the chants of U.S.A. However, a heavy, heavy variable is the fact that neither fighters were known or established in the mainstream UFC fan base, and it would be completely odd & unnatural if the crowd would have chanted O-ss-a-k-a, O-ss-a-k-a. I'll give you the innate preference, premise. However, GSP is established and well known, and I don't know if I can yet sign off on innate preferences, having a notable influence on how much respect GSP receives, as an established celebrity.
Secondly, and this is anecdotal, so the validity of this example is of course questionable. Anyone I've ever held an MMA conversation with, friends and strangers alike, either have GSP described as the top dog of his division, pound for pound in the UFC, unstoppable or some form of utter reverence. I don't know how our media portrays him, but as far as "the people," I've yet to meet someone who doesn't have GSP placed in the top 3 of deadliest and most dominant fighters. I consider that plenty of reputation and respect. However, as I mentioned, this is anecdotal to my experience and my surroundings.
Thirdly, your argument that perhaps if GSP was American born, then he would be a bigger MMA star to American fans. I'll concede.
Lastly, the thesis, if it were, of my rebuttal, was I found it ridiculous that GSP would be named one of the best athletes in America, period (were he not French-Canadian). I didn't take his statement as indicating one of America's top athletes in the scope of MMA. His statement was not seemingly limited to MMA, but an encompassing statement of top athletes in America, to which I say, nah bru. MMA is too far behind the mainstream sports of basketball, football, and baseball to have "any" MMA'er to share the lime light to the same effect as a Kobe Bryant, Shaquil O'niel or Terrel Owens. I'll concede that perhaps the whole French-Canadian thing "may" effect his reputation with American UFC fans ("may"), but as far as comparing GSP's celebrity against Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Peyton Manning, or any other "mainstream" sport, my point was that his supposed lack of reputation in comparison to said celebrity athletes, had much more to do with the relative popularity of the sport, as oppose to his nationality.
As mentioned previously, as popular as Chuck Lidell was and the American Hero Randy Couture was, they paled like Michael Jackson's complection in comparison to a Tiger Woods, Barry Bonds, Brett Favre... in regards to the concept of "One of America's top athletes."
Honestly, it's not that big of a deal to me, I just felt like arguing with you
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07-13-2009, 01:11 AM
I'm just kidding, it's understandable, I think the entire arena outside of his corner was booing him, but of course, I disagree. I'm hoping he improves MMA wise and maintains an Iron Fist of dominance.
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07-13-2009, 03:08 AM
yeah i acually would not care if lesner won a couple more then lost. yeah he did act like an idiot but he did have a lot on the line and trained hard. he did go a lil over board tho. i knew he would win like that i jsut thought it would have been quicker but he took his time in the first.
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