Frank Mir is looking ripped!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I agree, I just rewatched it a few days ago, and outside of another submission I dont think Mir stands much of a chance. Brock's striking is certainly apt to KO Mir who doesnt have a real solid chin. If Brock stays calm (which he did with Randy) he will TKO Mir in the first rd
    It would be the most satisfying victory for me all year if Brock takes it, not so much because I'm SUCH a huge Brock fan, though I do love Brock and have high hopes for him, it's the compounding factor of how much I dislike Mir. I respect Mir's new found heart & passion for the sport, but I still hate that guy.
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  2. I dont even care i just want it to be badass becauses im buying it!
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  3. i myself very interested in this i just hope it goes all 5 rounds. i will be terribly mad if it ends within 1min ro so

  4. Id be disappointed if it went 5 rounds because I think they would just gas out. Outside of 3 rounds I think they will gas and do some laying. Id say give me an explosive 3rd rd KO or a nasty submission.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    I dont even care i just want it to be badass becauses im buying it!
    as long as we get a couple rounds from everyone I'll be happy...unless brock lays on mir all day
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    he will TKO Mir in the first rd
    This. He has dropped or nearly dropped all three of his opponents in the UFC with a hard right jab in the first round. Unfortunately, his little experience striking has not afforded him that killer instinct, or else all three of his victories would be first round TKO. He dropped Mir with the first shot, Herring with the first shot, and Randy wobbled early in the first as well [though he recuperated]. Despite what some of the more "purist" pundits may be pretentiously promulgating [that was for Volcom], Brock has the decided advantage in striking.

  7. yeah he does need a better ground n pound like wandys killer instinct. he will get it, some of these guys have had 25 plus amateur fights some over 50. if he did jsut sit for 5 rounds that would suck. also having 5 rounds i cant really seem them having a war it would get boring they are fast enough like these small guys battles even 205's.

  8. Mir via submission

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    This. He has dropped or nearly dropped all three of his opponents in the UFC with a hard right jab in the first round. Unfortunately, his little experience striking has not afforded him that killer instinct, or else all three of his victories would be first round TKO. He dropped Mir with the first shot, Herring with the first shot, and Randy wobbled early in the first as well [though he recuperated]. Despite what some of the more "purist" pundits may be pretentiously promulgating [that was for Volcom], Brock has the decided advantage in striking.

    Power and strength aside don't you think he's getting a little predictable? Say for instance Machida puts on 20+ pounds and avoids all his strikes like he does so well with Rash and Titso, and was able to let him run out his gas tank I think his potential weakness might be capitalized on. Unfortunately for Mir he's as lightning quick...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Power and strength aside don't you think he's getting a little predictable? Say for instance Machida puts on 20+ pounds and avoids all his strikes like he does so well with Rash and Titso, and was able to let him run out his gas tank I think his potential weakness might be capitalized on. Unfortunately for Mir he's as lightning quick...
    The dude is 285 and runs the 40 in 4.7, hah. Predicting something is all well and good, but stopping it is another.

  11. Are there no holes in his game at all?

  12. There are holes of course but respect/fear of his KO power and takedown help keep people honest.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Are there no holes in his game at all?
    People often forget that this will be Brock's 5th fight. He's still new to the game and will continue to improve the longer he trains.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Are there no holes in his game at all?
    Yes, that is exactly what I said. There are a lot of holes in his game, but I was just saying that exploiting them are difficult. He is a 285lb-beast who moves faster than a LW.

  15. I'm just seeing more people giving the win to Brock but I think he's still just as suseptable to a submission assuming Mir aviods any potentially knock out capable strikes. And as mentioned above he's on his 5th fight which works for and against him.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    The dude is 285 and runs the 40 in 4.7, hah. Predicting something is all well and good, but stopping it is another.
    Agreed. Knowing someone's game plan isn't as great of an advantage if that person excels at executing it. Por jemplo, GSP's game plan is quite predictable, poke, determine spatial & pace variables, the take is coming for SURE, wrestling will be a 99% chance probability in the fight. Every KNOWS the takedown is coming, but nobody has been able to stop it.

    Obviously Brock isn't anywhere near the technician GSP is in terms of executing a plan, but Brock's dangerous level of execution is in his sheer strength, agility, (wrestling) competition experience and general athleticism. He's abnormal in terms of size AND speed.

    Brock isn't a Bob Sapp fighter, which he gets ignorantly categorized as. Sapp is 99% size & brute strength, but talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct are all divided into that last 1%. I don't know what Brock's ratio in those terms would be, but the talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct portion would be at a respectable level, on top of how overwhelming his strength & size is.

    [I have to throw in Mirko's signature high kick in the mix, too. If anyone was "expected" to do something with 100% probability, it was Mirko's high kick, but he excelled at that, in terms of speed, timing and instinct "at the time." RIP]

    In closing, I don't think Brock is the best fighter or anywhere near it, I don't think Brock is anywhere, ANYWHERE near unbeatable, even by Mir, but I do have high hopes for Brock. I admire his freakish athleticism more then his MMA talent, but I also recognized as soon as he got on the scene, that with that much raw athleticism, he would have great potential for MMA.

    I'm much more excited about Brock's potential, then where he stands currently (notwithstanding tomorrow's fight).
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  17. Indeed his potential will bring and has already brought a lot more excitement to UFC's HW division.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Agreed. Knowing someone's game plan isn't as great of an advantage if that person excels at executing it. Por jemplo, GSP's game plan is quite predictable, poke, determine spatial & pace variables, the take is coming for SURE, wrestling will be a 99% chance probability in the fight. Every KNOWS the takedown is coming, but nobody has been able to stop it.

    Obviously Brock isn't anywhere near the technician GSP is in terms of executing a plan, but Brock's dangerous level of execution is in his sheer strength, agility, (wrestling) competition experience and general athleticism. He's abnormal in terms of size AND speed.

    Brock isn't a Bob Sapp fighter, which he gets ignorantly categorized as. Sapp is 99% size & brute strength, but talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct are all divided into that last 1%. I don't know what Brock's ratio in those terms would be, but the talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct portion would be at a respectable level, on top of how overwhelming his strength & size is.

    [I have to throw in Mirko's signature high kick in the mix, too. If anyone was "expected" to do something with 100% probability, it was Mirko's high kick, but he excelled at that, in terms of speed, timing and instinct "at the time." RIP]

    In closing, I don't think Brock is the best fighter or anywhere near it, I don't think Brock is anywhere, ANYWHERE near unbeatable, even by Mir, but I do have high hopes for Brock. I admire his freakish athleticism more then his MMA talent, but I also recognized as soon as he got on the scene, that with that much raw athleticism, he would have great potential for MMA.

    I'm much more excited about Brock's potential, then where he stands currently (notwithstanding tomorrow's fight).
    Exactly. Game-plans are wonderful, but: the execution depends solely on the fighter, who either makes it predictable, or difficult to stop. As you said, speed and agility play largely into whether or not a game plan is effective; for example, GSP's TDs are the most effective in MMA because of his timing and ability to vary his striking. Brock is inexperienced, and Mir is dangerous in guard, but Mir is a perfect match-up for Brock: Mir will not stop his TDs, most likely cannot knock him out, is susceptible to the "canned-ham" jab. I still give Mir a chance in this fight, but Brock is too imposing, IMO.

    War GSP.

  19. P.S.,

    What makes Mir dangerous is that he can pull a submission victory, even while being dominated, as he aptly showed in the first fight; same goes with Thiago, but for striking.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    P.S.,

    What makes Mir dangerous is that he can pull a submission victory, even while being dominated, as he aptly showed in the first fight; same goes with Thiago, but for striking.

    Thats true but as Brocks trainer said in the pre show the other day... it may not have happened if Steve M hadn't stood them up..

    Brock: "I'd like to punch that mustach off his face!"

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    P.S.,

    What makes Mir dangerous is that he can pull a submission victory, even while being dominated, as he aptly showed in the first fight; same goes with Thiago, but for striking.
    Yep, Mir exploited a window of opportunity admirably, to my dismay. I consider a sub by Mir a dangerous and likely outcome. If Mir wins by sub, I'd be severely disappointed, but not shocked & crushed. However, if Mir for some reason wins on his feet, I'm quitting my job.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Yep, Mir exploited a window of opportunity admirably, to my dismay. I consider a sub by Mir a dangerous and likely outcome. If Mir wins by sub, I'd be severely disappointed, but not shocked & crushed. However, if Mir for some reason wins on his feet, I'm quitting my job.
    Haha. Either way, I am not going to see this bout. If GSP wins, I will be running naked through the streets with a Canadian flag draped on my back; if he loses, I will string up.

  23. You're refusing to watch the final bout??

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    You're refusing to watch the final bout??
    Canadian Bill of Lefts, Section I, Paragraph 3(a)(iii).: Thou art under oath, with unwavering duty, regarding and aboot the wrapping of our Canadia's flag nigh ye unclothen cornhole and run ye aboot the streets at the resolve of any and all Georges Saint Pierre's fights, with undaunted expedience.

    However, thus thou, ye must string ye nigh the flag of our Canadia, in the unjust outcome of a loss, and in ye thy circumstance of said lost, thou whilst henceforth, slain ye, the closest American, sellah.

    [Personally, I think this article is whack, but Mullet is a bit of a patriot.]
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  25. I found Saint Pierre much better than Saint Peter.
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