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  1. NO!! EVEN BETTER.

    Dana will have Fedor live in the house with other heavy weights on next season's TUF!!
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    I would really like to see Brock win even though I like Mir a lot! Then I want to see Shane Carwin beat Cain and then I want to see Brock vs Shane. Imagine those 2 big mofos square off.
    I like Carwin as well, however I think Cain beats him. I do think Cain will have a very difficult time with Lesnar though
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  3. I think the best chance we have at seeing Fedor in the UFC is if all these once every so often fight promotions(who pay fighters a crap load of money) go under otherwise it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor is going to say no to 1 fight contracts worth more and no limitations. Plus why would Dana want Fedor for 1 fight? WHEN Fedor wins and gets the common UFC fans attention then they will watch the next fight promotion Fedor is a part of. Just a thought.

  4. I agree with everything, save for the very last part. At this point, "the" UFC is a brand, which entails certain advantages; namely, that the assets that make up your brand (fighters) are expendable, while the brand is ultimate. The NBA kept going without Jordan, the NHL kept going without Gretzky, the NFL lived on after Montana, and so on. What differentiates the UFC from other promotions is that, for the most part, people watch the UFC, rather than an individual fighter within it; as a result, Fee-yay-dor could come and go with little consequence, unfortunately.

  5. I do agree with the whole "the sport is bigger than one athlete" idea but do you seriously think Dana wants to risk having his fans fall in love with another fighter then that fighter goes on to another promotion after destroying 1 of Dana's fighters? Dana seems to have a decent idea of how things will play out.
    Plus it is one thing for an asset to retire its another thing for an asset to go to another brand.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I do agree with the whole "the sport is bigger than one athlete" idea but do you seriously think Dana wants to risk having his fans fall in love with another fighter then that fighter goes on to another promotion after destroying 1 of Dana's fighters? Dana seems to have a decent idea of how things will play out.
    Plus it is one thing for an asset to retire its another thing for an asset to go to another brand.
    I see your point, but again I have to disagree. If your premise held true, then the UFC would have suffered in the wide-range of circumstances that fighters left for other organizations. Unfortunately, the casual, domestic fan is highly unfamiliar with Fedor, and would likely be un-phased by a quick departure on his part.

    You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.

    Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.

  7. I'm sure this has already been discussed elsewhere, but since we're on the subject of the big boys, what do you think of Bobby Lashley? I don't have a cultured of an eye as the most of you for observing the technicalities of a great execution, but he seems really explosive with those single leg TD's, and he hits it with intent. His punches also look like they have power behind them and not just strength.
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  8. I think the comparisons between Brock and Lashley are bound to emerge, but I see a fundamental difference between them at this point: refinement. From my perspective, Brock's overall MMA game seems much more refined than Lashley's, particularly his stance, angles and execution in the stand-up. I also never noted what Jas said, which was that Lashley is nowhere near the natural giant that Brock is: he wrestled at a much lighter weight in University, and is mostly excess muscle. I think his management his handling him great, however, and I would expect to see him against an Arlovski or Buenetello soon.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I think the comparisons between Brock and Lashley are bound to emerge, but I see a fundamental difference between them at this point: refinement. From my perspective, Brock's overall MMA game seems much more refined than Lashley's, particularly his stance, angles and execution in the stand-up. I also never noted what Jas said, which was that Lashley is nowhere near the natural giant that Brock is: he wrestled at a much lighter weight in University, and is mostly excess muscle. I think his management his handling him great, however, and I would expect to see him against an Arlovski or Buenetello soon.
    Ahhhh... a naturally larger & heavier bone structure has a different set of benefits then having that size primarily through muscle. The first little thing with potentially large implications that comes to mind are simply some of the neural aspects laced in an inherently larger structure. More motor units? Larger sarcolemma for greater calcium release? All of which are related to greater force production. A different and more brick wall-like type of weight behind the punches.... hmm, that's an interesting point. Does that contemplative cool-point go to you or Jas?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Ahhhh... a naturally larger & heavier bone structure has a different set of benefits then having that size primarily through muscle. The first little thing with potentially large implications that comes to mind are simply some of the neural aspects laced in an inherently larger structure. More motor units? Larger sarcolemma for greater calcium release? All of which are related to greater force production. A different and more brick wall-like type of weight behind the punches.... hmm, that's an interesting point. Does that contemplative cool-point go to you or Jas?
    That is all Jas. As you know, a naturally larger body with Brock will also inherently come equipped with a greater proportionate endurance; all that muscle requires a massive amount of aerobic/anaerobic metabolism. Combined, this leads to high fatigue. Brock, on the other hand, has been training with that size of a body his entire life.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I see your point, but again I have to disagree. If your premise held true, then the UFC would have suffered in the wide-range of circumstances that fighters left for other organizations. Unfortunately, the casual, domestic fan is highly unfamiliar with Fedor, and would likely be un-phased by a quick departure on his part.

    You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.

    Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.
    Ya I think I gave to much credit to the average UFC fan. My bad I forgot who we were talking about.
    Although I still don't see it being good for business if some "no named"(Fedor) comes in and kills UFC's HW champ. I think it would take lots of money to get Fedor to fight in the UFC so they would have to make it a title fight or it isn't worth it.
    My whole point is it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor will be in the UFC not that 1 fighter can make a promotion although other fight promotion who throw money at fighters seem to lean more towards fighters>promotion.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    That is all Jas. As you know, a naturally larger body with Brock will also inherently come equipped with a greater proportionate endurance; all that muscle requires a massive amount of aerobic/anaerobic metabolism. Combined, this leads to high fatigue. Brock, on the other hand, has been training with that size of a body his entire life.

    True, true and true, might I also add the potential of having larger and more voluminous mitochondria. We could also get into the fact that Brock has also worked with heavier extremities (his whole life as you pointed out), thus, invoking Newton's First Law to a greater degree in comparison to a lighter object, ie Lashley's arms & legs, therefore, potentially allowing for greater deactivation of the Golgi Tendon, allowing for greater projectile velocity, both at the elbow flexors & shoulder joints, I would have added leg joints but I don't think Brock kicks.

    How's that for a pretentious conversation about MMA?

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    No but seriously, these are all legitimate arguments. As far as man-handling ability, I'd pick having a naturally larger bone structure then muscle. Well, to a degree.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I see your point, but again I have to disagree. If your premise held true, then the UFC would have suffered in the wide-range of circumstances that fighters left for other organizations. Unfortunately, the casual, domestic fan is highly unfamiliar with Fedor, and would likely be un-phased by a quick departure on his part.

    You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.

    Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.
    Very true, and agreed. The smartest thing Dana ever did "money-wise" was bring the sport to cable television (via Spike) and get it out there past just PPV, bringing the profits skyrocketing. Unfortunately as a result, many of the people who watch UFC are not mma fighters themselves, not vivid long time fans, do not know the sport as a whole( other organizations, etc) and/or simply just watch it to see a bunch of dudes beat the crap outta each other. Like you said a fighter could come in and fade away just as easily. Look at Arlovski, once at the top, everyone was talking about how badazz he was, then BAM! Tim sylvia comes in, takes it, and AA fades away. Then someone else big and badder comes in later, astonishes crowds and its another payday for Dana or "UFC". Then the cycles continue. I also find that some of the people I know who watch UFC only know the names of the fighters that get pronounced on the PPV commercials. Ha! Figures.

  14. I think Mirs going to win by submisson once again and Im calling it in the 2nd round.
    I also hope Mir wins b/c Lesnar didnt deserve the title shot in the first place with what like 4 fights under his belt and one of them being the loss to Mir. Dana White blows off about how they used Kimbo as a means of making money and then he goes and signs Brock Lesnar (even though granted Brock is a way better fighter than Kimbo) and gives him a title shot against Couture, like that fight didnt make any money.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by UGHQTempus View Post
    And when the UFC signs Fedor none of this will matter.
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    when will this happen?
    Never. He makes more money not fighting in the UFC.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Ya I think I gave to much credit to the average UFC fan. My bad I forgot who we were talking about.
    Although I still don't see it being good for business if some "no named"(Fedor) comes in and kills UFC's HW champ. I think it would take lots of money to get Fedor to fight in the UFC so they would have to make it a title fight or it isn't worth it.
    My whole point is it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor will be in the UFC not that 1 fighter can make a promotion although other fight promotion who throw money at fighters seem to lean more towards fighters>promotion.
    As much as I despise Dana White, it appears [....at times...] he is interested in recruiting the best fighters. This being said, the issue about Sambo is key to Fee-aye-deyor and this may be a sticking point.

  17. Outside of the combat Sambo issue, it is standard for every UFC contract to have a "champions" clause. This essentially says that if you are a champion, the you may not fight in another organization. If you do, then you be stripped of the title (e.g. BJ Penn).
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by brk_nemesis View Post
    Very true, and agreed. The smartest thing Dana ever did "money-wise" was bring the sport to cable television (via Spike) and get it out there past just PPV, bringing the profits skyrocketing. Unfortunately as a result, many of the people who watch UFC are not mma fighters themselves, not vivid long time fans, do not know the sport as a whole( other organizations, etc) and/or simply just watch it to see a bunch of dudes beat the crap outta each other. Like you said a fighter could come in and fade away just as easily. Look at Arlovski, once at the top, everyone was talking about how badazz he was, then BAM! Tim sylvia comes in, takes it, and AA fades away. Then someone else big and badder comes in later, astonishes crowds and its another payday for Dana or "UFC". Then the cycles continue. I also find that some of the people I know who watch UFC only know the names of the fighters that get pronounced on the PPV commercials. Ha! Figures.
    Bingo, this is what I mean. Unless a fighter is on a main card, 95% of people have no clue who he is. This means that, unfortunately, the very assets that comprise the business (fighters) have become entirely incidental to the operation of the league.

  19. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQwMTQ1MDQ=.html

    Couture and Lesnar's fight. Upon a second watch, Brock was much less panicky than I remember. I think he will overpower Mir.

  20. Look at the knees at the 1:20 mark of the above video: Brock's knees significantly move Randy's entire body.

  21. I heard a funny quote by Joe Rogan( who I particularly don't like) but it was rather hilarious:

    When being asked about who would win the fight, Lesnar or Mir, Rogan replied:

    "Its like playing tennis with a wall...... the wall is going to win."

    If Lesner comes in with great conditioning(he should) and uses hes strength/ size to his advantage, not leaving himself open,( knee bars anyone), he should dominate Mir. With more fights under his belt he probably will be less "skittish" in the ring also. But who ever wins, Im sure it will be a good fight. And I hope Bisping gets his head ripped off too.

  22. does mir even have the power to knock him out with a punch?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Bingo, this is what I mean. Unless a fighter is on a main card, 95% of people have no clue who he is. This means that, unfortunately, the very assets that comprise the business (fighters) have become entirely incidental to the operation of the league.
    Best example of this is the thought of most UFC watchers thought Kimbo Slice was an awesome fighter.

    At work I was talking to friends and when I said Kimbo sucked they all thought I was insane, that he was great and that he's going to destroy on the UFC and UFer.

    So there's your average UFC crowd for you.

  24. Ya I thought it was funny how people loved Kimbo youtube videos. Even earlier on I wasnt all that impressed. He was basically paying not even cans to take a beating. Wow how well would that translate into a fight with a well rounded professional fighter who lives and breathes fighting?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Look at the knees at the 1:20 mark of the above video: Brock's knees significantly move Randy's entire body.
    I agree, I just rewatched it a few days ago, and outside of another submission I dont think Mir stands much of a chance. Brock's striking is certainly apt to KO Mir who doesnt have a real solid chin. If Brock stays calm (which he did with Randy) he will TKO Mir in the first rd
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