Frank Mir is looking ripped!
- 07-09-2009, 01:24 AM
- 07-09-2009, 02:43 AM
yeah he does need a better ground n pound like wandys killer instinct. he will get it, some of these guys have had 25 plus amateur fights some over 50. if he did jsut sit for 5 rounds that would suck. also having 5 rounds i cant really seem them having a war it would get boring they are fast enough like these small guys battles even 205's.
- 07-09-2009, 10:37 AM
07-10-2009, 12:52 PM
Power and strength aside don't you think he's getting a little predictable? Say for instance Machida puts on 20+ pounds and avoids all his strikes like he does so well with Rash and Titso, and was able to let him run out his gas tank I think his potential weakness might be capitalized on. Unfortunately for Mir he's as lightning quick...
07-10-2009, 01:02 PM
07-10-2009, 01:07 PM
Are there no holes in his game at all?
07-10-2009, 01:10 PM
There are holes of course but respect/fear of his KO power and takedown help keep people honest.
07-10-2009, 01:11 PM
07-10-2009, 01:11 PM
07-10-2009, 02:00 PM
I'm just seeing more people giving the win to Brock but I think he's still just as suseptable to a submission assuming Mir aviods any potentially knock out capable strikes. And as mentioned above he's on his 5th fight which works for and against him.
07-10-2009, 02:04 PM
Obviously Brock isn't anywhere near the technician GSP is in terms of executing a plan, but Brock's dangerous level of execution is in his sheer strength, agility, (wrestling) competition experience and general athleticism. He's abnormal in terms of size AND speed.
Brock isn't a Bob Sapp fighter, which he gets ignorantly categorized as. Sapp is 99% size & brute strength, but talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct are all divided into that last 1%. I don't know what Brock's ratio in those terms would be, but the talent, agility, conditioning, speed, tenacity, instinct portion would be at a respectable level, on top of how overwhelming his strength & size is.
[I have to throw in Mirko's signature high kick in the mix, too. If anyone was "expected" to do something with 100% probability, it was Mirko's high kick, but he excelled at that, in terms of speed, timing and instinct "at the time." RIP]
In closing, I don't think Brock is the best fighter or anywhere near it, I don't think Brock is anywhere, ANYWHERE near unbeatable, even by Mir, but I do have high hopes for Brock. I admire his freakish athleticism more then his MMA talent, but I also recognized as soon as he got on the scene, that with that much raw athleticism, he would have great potential for MMA.
I'm much more excited about Brock's potential, then where he stands currently (notwithstanding tomorrow's fight).
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07-10-2009, 02:08 PM
Indeed his potential will bring and has already brought a lot more excitement to UFC's HW division.
07-10-2009, 02:21 PM
07-10-2009, 02:23 PM
What makes Mir dangerous is that he can pull a submission victory, even while being dominated, as he aptly showed in the first fight; same goes with Thiago, but for striking.
07-10-2009, 02:39 PM
07-10-2009, 03:11 PM
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07-10-2009, 03:17 PM
07-10-2009, 04:31 PM
You're refusing to watch the final bout??
07-10-2009, 04:59 PM
However, thus thou, ye must string ye nigh the flag of our Canadia, in the unjust outcome of a loss, and in ye thy circumstance of said lost, thou whilst henceforth, slain ye, the closest American, sellah.
[Personally, I think this article is whack, but Mullet is a bit of a patriot.]
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07-10-2009, 05:08 PM
I found Saint Pierre much better than Saint Peter.
07-10-2009, 05:37 PM
Ya he looks ripped cause hes on fckn cycle....and just before he will come off and hope to not get drug tested...in fact I dont think heavy weights get drug tested.
my 2c, but also look at old pictures of Randy Couture, and GSP, CLEARLY CLEARLY ON SOMETHING!
they dont drug test everyone and I have some inside people who say 95% of these dudes use something and just PCT a few weeks before their matches.
Also even though Mir looks great...Brock is still WAY bigger and way meaner of a fckn dude, he gave away that last fight to Mir, he was Killing Mir and walked right into that submission.
I predict a good fight, but in the end Mir is gonna get slammed on his head
07-10-2009, 05:53 PM
07-10-2009, 06:00 PM
And you 100% positive every guy gets tested? that every guy in the UFC is clean?
did u see Chris Lebian s transformation? I dont need someone to tell me it was a natural transformation, and there are ways to get around fckn drug tests.
your one of those guys that thinks all pro athletes are natural too arent you?
you keep believing that dude, and up until not too long ago NONE OF THEM were tested, that im positive of.
On another note I have never gotten a response from you that has any fckn respect in it at all, I got an idea take your responses to what i say and fck yourself with them cause im tired of the way you continue to respond to me.
07-10-2009, 06:07 PM
one more thing, your the guy who argued with me for an hour saying there was no proof that steroids are bad for you. tell that to flex wheeler, steve stone , Don Long etc etc etc
07-10-2009, 06:11 PM
I believe you hadn't started posting here yet, but upon GSP's last loss I stopped watching MMA for about four months; I wouldn't even speak about it. If GSP lost to Alves, I would most likely record the final bout to watch several months down the road, when I became interested again.You're refusing to watch the final bout??
07-10-2009, 06:19 PM
07-10-2009, 06:30 PM
07-10-2009, 06:30 PM
well put but can you explain to me then where some of these guys physiques come from? I mean some of these guys are so clearly juiced its laughable, again I havent followed the sport in a few years but...do you remember Matthughes physique when he was on top? well I certainly remember him not canging weight classes...but his physique deflated over a few months when drug testing became more of the norm, same for rich Frankland AND gsp.
So you know what maybe its not as bad as I stated, but it sure as hell was 2-3 years ago, and honestly it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out, all you have to do is look at certain physiques and most times you can tell.
Anyways the idea that these guys dont know a way around the tests to me is laughable.
Im sure Radja is trying his best now to have me banned, and if thats your style you go right ahead, all I see from you is cynical, sarcastic posts. Just because someone has a different opinion than him.
07-10-2009, 06:34 PM
07-10-2009, 06:35 PM
07-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Bj could use a cycle
Mir also has had plenty of time to build muscle since he "pulled that knee" or whatever. Maybe it was something else. None the less he was probably praying for some reason to take time and bulk.
07-10-2009, 08:57 PM
07-10-2009, 09:00 PM
im a canuck too and I love GSP, WITHOUT A DOUBT at some point in the year all these guys use something either to cut, to gain strength or to bulk.
Why wouldnt they? million$ contracts, endorsements.... its so obvious to me like I said its laughable.
07-10-2009, 09:24 PM
07-11-2009, 08:56 AM
The weigh-ins for those who missed them.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jQ4bLAPgI"]YouTube - UFC 100 Weigh-Ins - Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir - July 10, 2009[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1VnrqbERQ"]YouTube - UFC 100 Weigh-Ins - Georges St-Pierre vs Thiago Alves - July 10, 2009[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pciv8kAMYM"]YouTube - UFC 100 Weigh-Ins - Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping - July 10, 2009[/ame]
07-11-2009, 11:48 AM
Let's not forget, about thousands of people try to make it in this sport, and only a very few select individuals are able to make it. The ones that are able to make it most likely are the ones more suitable to this (IE: best chin, which is pretty much untrainable, and best suitable to maintain a very good phisique).
I may be hiting a miss on this one, but look at Robdog when he competed. He looked like he was a freaking oversized LHW. Did I think he was on a major series of roids? Yes I do. But his phisique is just able to support that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he did steroids to achieve such condition (rodja will be able to clarify this one better since he's in his corner). And if so, there's your example, someone who looks like he's on a load of steroids but in fact isn't.
07-11-2009, 11:59 AM
LOL, man, Brock looked like he wanted to swing on Mir right then. They both look good though. I think this is the best I've seen Frank and Brock looked slightly leaner then usual.
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07-11-2009, 12:08 PM
As well, I agree with your 1/1000 making it analysis, but consider it differently: from my perspective, that means many of these guys are 1/1000 athletes. What this means is that, for all intents and purposes, they have body frames, skeletal-muscular systems and nervous systems far beyond the capacity of the average joe - i.e., like a Koschek, they need little in the way of weight training to obtain those physiques.
07-11-2009, 01:07 PM
im hoping for a submition from mir. i want mir to win
07-11-2009, 01:12 PM
I am very impressed with Mirs conditioning....I have never ever seen him look that good, either he's trained is butt off or he s using the Clear., lol Jk they both look huge and mean don' t they, imagine making the mistake at a bar of pssing Mir off not knowing what type of machine he was.