Frank Mir is looking ripped!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I see your point, but again I have to disagree. If your premise held true, then the UFC would have suffered in the wide-range of circumstances that fighters left for other organizations. Unfortunately, the casual, domestic fan is highly unfamiliar with Fedor, and would likely be un-phased by a quick departure on his part.

    You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.

    Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.
    Ya I think I gave to much credit to the average UFC fan. My bad I forgot who we were talking about.
    Although I still don't see it being good for business if some "no named"(Fedor) comes in and kills UFC's HW champ. I think it would take lots of money to get Fedor to fight in the UFC so they would have to make it a title fight or it isn't worth it.
    My whole point is it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor will be in the UFC not that 1 fighter can make a promotion although other fight promotion who throw money at fighters seem to lean more towards fighters>promotion.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    That is all Jas. As you know, a naturally larger body with Brock will also inherently come equipped with a greater proportionate endurance; all that muscle requires a massive amount of aerobic/anaerobic metabolism. Combined, this leads to high fatigue. Brock, on the other hand, has been training with that size of a body his entire life.

    True, true and true, might I also add the potential of having larger and more voluminous mitochondria. We could also get into the fact that Brock has also worked with heavier extremities (his whole life as you pointed out), thus, invoking Newton's First Law to a greater degree in comparison to a lighter object, ie Lashley's arms & legs, therefore, potentially allowing for greater deactivation of the Golgi Tendon, allowing for greater projectile velocity, both at the elbow flexors & shoulder joints, I would have added leg joints but I don't think Brock kicks.

    How's that for a pretentious conversation about MMA?

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    No but seriously, these are all legitimate arguments. As far as man-handling ability, I'd pick having a naturally larger bone structure then muscle. Well, to a degree.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I see your point, but again I have to disagree. If your premise held true, then the UFC would have suffered in the wide-range of circumstances that fighters left for other organizations. Unfortunately, the casual, domestic fan is highly unfamiliar with Fedor, and would likely be un-phased by a quick departure on his part.

    You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.

    Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.
    Very true, and agreed. The smartest thing Dana ever did "money-wise" was bring the sport to cable television (via Spike) and get it out there past just PPV, bringing the profits skyrocketing. Unfortunately as a result, many of the people who watch UFC are not mma fighters themselves, not vivid long time fans, do not know the sport as a whole( other organizations, etc) and/or simply just watch it to see a bunch of dudes beat the crap outta each other. Like you said a fighter could come in and fade away just as easily. Look at Arlovski, once at the top, everyone was talking about how badazz he was, then BAM! Tim sylvia comes in, takes it, and AA fades away. Then someone else big and badder comes in later, astonishes crowds and its another payday for Dana or "UFC". Then the cycles continue. I also find that some of the people I know who watch UFC only know the names of the fighters that get pronounced on the PPV commercials. Ha! Figures.

  4. I think Mirs going to win by submisson once again and Im calling it in the 2nd round.
    I also hope Mir wins b/c Lesnar didnt deserve the title shot in the first place with what like 4 fights under his belt and one of them being the loss to Mir. Dana White blows off about how they used Kimbo as a means of making money and then he goes and signs Brock Lesnar (even though granted Brock is a way better fighter than Kimbo) and gives him a title shot against Couture, like that fight didnt make any money.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by UGHQTempus View Post
    And when the UFC signs Fedor none of this will matter.
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    when will this happen?
    Never. He makes more money not fighting in the UFC.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Ya I think I gave to much credit to the average UFC fan. My bad I forgot who we were talking about.
    Although I still don't see it being good for business if some "no named"(Fedor) comes in and kills UFC's HW champ. I think it would take lots of money to get Fedor to fight in the UFC so they would have to make it a title fight or it isn't worth it.
    My whole point is it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor will be in the UFC not that 1 fighter can make a promotion although other fight promotion who throw money at fighters seem to lean more towards fighters>promotion.
    As much as I despise Dana White, it appears [....at times...] he is interested in recruiting the best fighters. This being said, the issue about Sambo is key to Fee-aye-deyor and this may be a sticking point.

  7. Outside of the combat Sambo issue, it is standard for every UFC contract to have a "champions" clause. This essentially says that if you are a champion, the you may not fight in another organization. If you do, then you be stripped of the title (e.g. BJ Penn).
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by brk_nemesis View Post
    Very true, and agreed. The smartest thing Dana ever did "money-wise" was bring the sport to cable television (via Spike) and get it out there past just PPV, bringing the profits skyrocketing. Unfortunately as a result, many of the people who watch UFC are not mma fighters themselves, not vivid long time fans, do not know the sport as a whole( other organizations, etc) and/or simply just watch it to see a bunch of dudes beat the crap outta each other. Like you said a fighter could come in and fade away just as easily. Look at Arlovski, once at the top, everyone was talking about how badazz he was, then BAM! Tim sylvia comes in, takes it, and AA fades away. Then someone else big and badder comes in later, astonishes crowds and its another payday for Dana or "UFC". Then the cycles continue. I also find that some of the people I know who watch UFC only know the names of the fighters that get pronounced on the PPV commercials. Ha! Figures.
    Bingo, this is what I mean. Unless a fighter is on a main card, 95% of people have no clue who he is. This means that, unfortunately, the very assets that comprise the business (fighters) have become entirely incidental to the operation of the league.

  9. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQwMTQ1MDQ=.html

    Couture and Lesnar's fight. Upon a second watch, Brock was much less panicky than I remember. I think he will overpower Mir.

  10. Look at the knees at the 1:20 mark of the above video: Brock's knees significantly move Randy's entire body.

  11. I heard a funny quote by Joe Rogan( who I particularly don't like) but it was rather hilarious:

    When being asked about who would win the fight, Lesnar or Mir, Rogan replied:

    "Its like playing tennis with a wall...... the wall is going to win."

    If Lesner comes in with great conditioning(he should) and uses hes strength/ size to his advantage, not leaving himself open,( knee bars anyone), he should dominate Mir. With more fights under his belt he probably will be less "skittish" in the ring also. But who ever wins, Im sure it will be a good fight. And I hope Bisping gets his head ripped off too.

  12. does mir even have the power to knock him out with a punch?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Bingo, this is what I mean. Unless a fighter is on a main card, 95% of people have no clue who he is. This means that, unfortunately, the very assets that comprise the business (fighters) have become entirely incidental to the operation of the league.
    Best example of this is the thought of most UFC watchers thought Kimbo Slice was an awesome fighter.

    At work I was talking to friends and when I said Kimbo sucked they all thought I was insane, that he was great and that he's going to destroy on the UFC and UFer.

    So there's your average UFC crowd for you.

  14. Ya I thought it was funny how people loved Kimbo youtube videos. Even earlier on I wasnt all that impressed. He was basically paying not even cans to take a beating. Wow how well would that translate into a fight with a well rounded professional fighter who lives and breathes fighting?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Look at the knees at the 1:20 mark of the above video: Brock's knees significantly move Randy's entire body.
    I agree, I just rewatched it a few days ago, and outside of another submission I dont think Mir stands much of a chance. Brock's striking is certainly apt to KO Mir who doesnt have a real solid chin. If Brock stays calm (which he did with Randy) he will TKO Mir in the first rd

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I agree, I just rewatched it a few days ago, and outside of another submission I dont think Mir stands much of a chance. Brock's striking is certainly apt to KO Mir who doesnt have a real solid chin. If Brock stays calm (which he did with Randy) he will TKO Mir in the first rd
    It would be the most satisfying victory for me all year if Brock takes it, not so much because I'm SUCH a huge Brock fan, though I do love Brock and have high hopes for him, it's the compounding factor of how much I dislike Mir. I respect Mir's new found heart & passion for the sport, but I still hate that guy.
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  17. I dont even care i just want it to be badass becauses im buying it!

  18. i myself very interested in this i just hope it goes all 5 rounds. i will be terribly mad if it ends within 1min ro so

  19. Id be disappointed if it went 5 rounds because I think they would just gas out. Outside of 3 rounds I think they will gas and do some laying. Id say give me an explosive 3rd rd KO or a nasty submission.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    I dont even care i just want it to be badass becauses im buying it!
    as long as we get a couple rounds from everyone I'll be happy...unless brock lays on mir all day

  21. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    he will TKO Mir in the first rd
    This. He has dropped or nearly dropped all three of his opponents in the UFC with a hard right jab in the first round. Unfortunately, his little experience striking has not afforded him that killer instinct, or else all three of his victories would be first round TKO. He dropped Mir with the first shot, Herring with the first shot, and Randy wobbled early in the first as well [though he recuperated]. Despite what some of the more "purist" pundits may be pretentiously promulgating [that was for Volcom], Brock has the decided advantage in striking.

  22. yeah he does need a better ground n pound like wandys killer instinct. he will get it, some of these guys have had 25 plus amateur fights some over 50. if he did jsut sit for 5 rounds that would suck. also having 5 rounds i cant really seem them having a war it would get boring they are fast enough like these small guys battles even 205's.

  23. Mir via submission

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    This. He has dropped or nearly dropped all three of his opponents in the UFC with a hard right jab in the first round. Unfortunately, his little experience striking has not afforded him that killer instinct, or else all three of his victories would be first round TKO. He dropped Mir with the first shot, Herring with the first shot, and Randy wobbled early in the first as well [though he recuperated]. Despite what some of the more "purist" pundits may be pretentiously promulgating [that was for Volcom], Brock has the decided advantage in striking.

    Power and strength aside don't you think he's getting a little predictable? Say for instance Machida puts on 20+ pounds and avoids all his strikes like he does so well with Rash and Titso, and was able to let him run out his gas tank I think his potential weakness might be capitalized on. Unfortunately for Mir he's as lightning quick...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Power and strength aside don't you think he's getting a little predictable? Say for instance Machida puts on 20+ pounds and avoids all his strikes like he does so well with Rash and Titso, and was able to let him run out his gas tank I think his potential weakness might be capitalized on. Unfortunately for Mir he's as lightning quick...
    The dude is 285 and runs the 40 in 4.7, hah. Predicting something is all well and good, but stopping it is another.

  26. Are there no holes in his game at all?

  27. There are holes of course but respect/fear of his KO power and takedown help keep people honest.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Are there no holes in his game at all?
    People often forget that this will be Brock's 5th fight. He's still new to the game and will continue to improve the longer he trains.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Are there no holes in his game at all?
    Yes, that is exactly what I said. There are a lot of holes in his game, but I was just saying that exploiting them are difficult. He is a 285lb-beast who moves faster than a LW.

  30. I'm just seeing more people giving the win to Brock but I think he's still just as suseptable to a submission assuming Mir aviods any potentially knock out capable strikes. And as mentioned above he's on his 5th fight which works for and against him.
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