Frank Mir is looking ripped!
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07-06-2009, 01:52 PM
07-06-2009, 02:41 PM
07-06-2009, 03:59 PM
I would really like to see Brock win even though I like Mir a lot! Then I want to see Shane Carwin beat Cain and then I want to see Brock vs Shane. Imagine those 2 big mofos square off.
07-06-2009, 04:18 PM
hhahaha i like cain a lot but carwin is so fuking sick. that little punch of his could knock someone out. the HW's are more exciting now but i feel like if they lose 2 in a row they leave unlike other classes. i hope out of this next season of TUF some good HW's stick around.
07-06-2009, 04:24 PM
07-06-2009, 04:28 PM
I cant remember off the top of my head when, but there was a "supposed" contract sign and meet a while back between Dana and Fedor, years ago. I think one of them pulled out at the last minute. But,.. who knows...
07-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Funny thing is people will still hate Brock even if he blows through Mir with brute force and little technique. But if its close and say he wins or loses but shows some ground defense or jj or something that shows he's got more going on in his head other than SMASHY SMASHY, then more people will walk away from this fight saying man I wanna see him fight again. Kinda like (not really all that similar in form) Jardine IMO. I'm kinda looking forward to seeing him up against TS because he showed some heart in his last fight against Rampage. Seeing him fight a crazy hard and arguably close fight has won me over. Now I'm not saying Brock doesn't have heart, but I'm hoping to see a mixed martial artist.
As far as Fedor I think from the sound of it Dana is tired of hearing his name but if and when Affliction is a thing of the past then Dana would be stupid not to bring him in. He can fight Kimbo Slice in Dana's back yard or something.
07-06-2009, 07:21 PM
NO!! EVEN BETTER.
Dana will have Fedor live in the house with other heavy weights on next season's TUF!!
07-06-2009, 07:22 PM
07-06-2009, 08:19 PM
I think the best chance we have at seeing Fedor in the UFC is if all these once every so often fight promotions(who pay fighters a crap load of money) go under otherwise it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor is going to say no to 1 fight contracts worth more and no limitations. Plus why would Dana want Fedor for 1 fight? WHEN Fedor wins and gets the common UFC fans attention then they will watch the next fight promotion Fedor is a part of. Just a thought.
07-06-2009, 08:32 PM
I agree with everything, save for the very last part. At this point, "the" UFC is a brand, which entails certain advantages; namely, that the assets that make up your brand (fighters) are expendable, while the brand is ultimate. The NBA kept going without Jordan, the NHL kept going without Gretzky, the NFL lived on after Montana, and so on. What differentiates the UFC from other promotions is that, for the most part, people watch the UFC, rather than an individual fighter within it; as a result, Fee-yay-dor could come and go with little consequence, unfortunately.
07-06-2009, 08:41 PM
I do agree with the whole "the sport is bigger than one athlete" idea but do you seriously think Dana wants to risk having his fans fall in love with another fighter then that fighter goes on to another promotion after destroying 1 of Dana's fighters? Dana seems to have a decent idea of how things will play out.
Plus it is one thing for an asset to retire its another thing for an asset to go to another brand.
07-06-2009, 10:17 PM
You have to understand that 95% of the UFC's audience is not watching "a" fighter, they are watching "the" UFC; in reality, the fighters that comprise the UFC at any given time are somewhat incidental to the entire activity. The UFC is now a functioning league, and therefore any one fighter's impact at any given time can be chalked up as secondary to the motion of the league as a whole.
Fedor would come in, destroy his competition, leave, and most people would forget he existed in due time. The Ferittas and Dana White are nothing if not phenomenal marketers, and "this thing" that Dana incessantly ****ing refers to ad nauseum is now a brand that is primary to the fighters. Again, I say this not endorsing it, as it is really unfortunate; however, it's the truth.
07-06-2009, 10:33 PM
I'm sure this has already been discussed elsewhere, but since we're on the subject of the big boys, what do you think of Bobby Lashley? I don't have a cultured of an eye as the most of you for observing the technicalities of a great execution, but he seems really explosive with those single leg TD's, and he hits it with intent. His punches also look like they have power behind them and not just strength.
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07-06-2009, 10:39 PM
I think the comparisons between Brock and Lashley are bound to emerge, but I see a fundamental difference between them at this point: refinement. From my perspective, Brock's overall MMA game seems much more refined than Lashley's, particularly his stance, angles and execution in the stand-up. I also never noted what Jas said, which was that Lashley is nowhere near the natural giant that Brock is: he wrestled at a much lighter weight in University, and is mostly excess muscle. I think his management his handling him great, however, and I would expect to see him against an Arlovski or Buenetello soon.
07-06-2009, 10:58 PM
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07-06-2009, 11:11 PM
07-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Although I still don't see it being good for business if some "no named"(Fedor) comes in and kills UFC's HW champ. I think it would take lots of money to get Fedor to fight in the UFC so they would have to make it a title fight or it isn't worth it.
My whole point is it doesn't seem reasonable to think Fedor will be in the UFC not that 1 fighter can make a promotion although other fight promotion who throw money at fighters seem to lean more towards fighters>promotion.
07-06-2009, 11:49 PM
True, true and true, might I also add the potential of having larger and more voluminous mitochondria. We could also get into the fact that Brock has also worked with heavier extremities (his whole life as you pointed out), thus, invoking Newton's First Law to a greater degree in comparison to a lighter object, ie Lashley's arms & legs, therefore, potentially allowing for greater deactivation of the Golgi Tendon, allowing for greater projectile velocity, both at the elbow flexors & shoulder joints, I would have added leg joints but I don't think Brock kicks.
How's that for a pretentious conversation about MMA?
No but seriously, these are all legitimate arguments. As far as man-handling ability, I'd pick having a naturally larger bone structure then muscle. Well, to a degree.
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07-07-2009, 01:36 AM
07-07-2009, 01:48 AM
I think Mirs going to win by submisson once again and Im calling it in the 2nd round.
I also hope Mir wins b/c Lesnar didnt deserve the title shot in the first place with what like 4 fights under his belt and one of them being the loss to Mir. Dana White blows off about how they used Kimbo as a means of making money and then he goes and signs Brock Lesnar (even though granted Brock is a way better fighter than Kimbo) and gives him a title shot against Couture, like that fight didnt make any money.
07-07-2009, 01:57 AM
07-07-2009, 10:21 AM
07-07-2009, 10:23 AM
Outside of the combat Sambo issue, it is standard for every UFC contract to have a "champions" clause. This essentially says that if you are a champion, the you may not fight in another organization. If you do, then you be stripped of the title (e.g. BJ Penn).
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07-07-2009, 10:23 AM
07-07-2009, 05:45 PM
07-07-2009, 05:47 PM
Look at the knees at the 1:20 mark of the above video: Brock's knees significantly move Randy's entire body.
07-08-2009, 01:17 AM
I heard a funny quote by Joe Rogan( who I particularly don't like) but it was rather hilarious:
When being asked about who would win the fight, Lesnar or Mir, Rogan replied:
"Its like playing tennis with a wall...... the wall is going to win."
If Lesner comes in with great conditioning(he should) and uses hes strength/ size to his advantage, not leaving himself open,( knee bars anyone), he should dominate Mir. With more fights under his belt he probably will be less "skittish" in the ring also. But who ever wins, Im sure it will be a good fight. And I hope Bisping gets his head ripped off too.
07-08-2009, 02:19 AM
07-08-2009, 01:12 PM
At work I was talking to friends and when I said Kimbo sucked they all thought I was insane, that he was great and that he's going to destroy on the UFC and UFer.
So there's your average UFC crowd for you.
07-08-2009, 01:45 PM
Ya I thought it was funny how people loved Kimbo youtube videos. Even earlier on I wasnt all that impressed. He was basically paying not even cans to take a beating. Wow how well would that translate into a fight with a well rounded professional fighter who lives and breathes fighting?
07-08-2009, 01:51 PM
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07-08-2009, 04:31 PM
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07-08-2009, 10:56 PM
i myself very interested in this i just hope it goes all 5 rounds. i will be terribly mad if it ends within 1min ro so
07-08-2009, 11:49 PM
Id be disappointed if it went 5 rounds because I think they would just gas out. Outside of 3 rounds I think they will gas and do some laying. Id say give me an explosive 3rd rd KO or a nasty submission.
07-09-2009, 02:00 AM