phatkid77 log

[phatkid77]

well, DELETESTRYL at 200mg every 2 weeks... i want and will do 100mg every week to be more stable... will doing it every week elevate total testosterone more than every 14 day or does that impact estradiol more??

he wants me to tell him if my mood doesnt improve, we'll stop the deletestryl as its "not needed, or worth the risk?"

phats

 

[JanSz]

well, DELETESTRYL at 200mg every 2 weeks... i want and will do 100mg every week to be more stable... will doing it every week elevate total testosterone more than every 14 day or does that impact estradiol more??

he wants me to tell him if my mood doesnt improve, we'll stop the deletestryl as its "not needed, or worth the risk?"

phats

Testosterone---200 mg/mL
100mg/week=0.5mL/week
E3D dose = 0.5/7*3=0.214mL=0.214cc=21marks on insuline syringe, '=0.21/3*7*200=98
E2D dose = 0.5/7*2=0.143mL=0.143cc=14marks on insuline syringe, '=0.14/2*7*200=98

 

[phatkid77]

if anything i will do .5ml/wk.... when i get my estradiol tested..if elevated i will go to E2D inj...

now... what effect on TOTAL TEST will doing 1x week shot VS every 2 weeks...?? any?

phats

 

[JanSz]

if anything i will do .5ml/wk.... when i get my estradiol tested..if elevated i will go to E2D inj...

now... what effect on TOTAL TEST will doing 1x week shot VS every 2 weeks...?? any?

phats

Most likely negative but you have to try to find out.

 

[phatkid77]

confused?? what negative... there will be NO effect of 1/5ml every week....VS 1ml every 2 weeks on my total test??

phats

 

[JanSz]

confused?? what negative... there will be NO effect of 1/5ml every week....VS 1ml every 2 weeks on my total test??

phats

You asked:
now... what effect on TOTAL TEST will doing 1x week shot VS every 2 weeks...?? any?

phats
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I said:
Most likely negative but you have to try to find out.
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Longer answer:
With the same average dose per week,
usualy people are doing better on more frequent injections.
Once per week is acceptable to many, better E3D.
You are thinking of once every two weeks, that is pushing.
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I am responding only to the "confused?? what negative... "
Do not understand the "1/5ml every week....VS 1ml every 2 weeks "
Probably typo, ment 1/2ml, right?

 

[phatkid77]

hhaaahaha, yeah sorry... 1/2ml....

eventually i will go 1/4ml 2x week... im just wondering if i should do 200mg every 2 weeks as prescribed, and when i get blood work see what my T is at..if still lowish, maybe go up to say 125mg/wk (250/14days)... but if i do MY OWN thing at 1/2ml week....will my test levels be increased??? kinda confusing, but not really...lol

as stated, i know more frequent is good for Estrogen, but will my test levels be higher on 1 week vs every 2weeks?

incidently, i read here i think someone shown a graph of blood concentrations of doing every 2 weeks VS every3day i think...at end of say day 70... there was 400mg of test in the blood vs every 2 week shot was like 40mg?? ill have to look again..

phats

anyone make this work?
The Roid Calculator

 

[plymouth city]

Every two week injects WILL NOT work, I guarantee it. That is stone age thinking. Nobody on the cutting edge is using every two week injects.

I have graphs that I can dig up as proof that T levels decline by nearly 1/3 on the 5th day after injects. You will start crashing, and probably feel like death by day 10.

Just because your DR is advising every 2 week injects doesn't mean you can't go against his orders and inject every week.

 

[phatkid77]

did my first shot on friday... 1/2ml (100mg)... have felt pretty good....not so fatigued??? does it work this quick.....even if its all in my head...im happier...

phats

 

[KSman]

did my first shot on friday... 1/2ml (100mg)... have felt pretty good....not so fatigued??? does it work this quick.....even if its all in my head...im happier...

phats

Some very interesting things happen at the start, but some of those are transient. Yes, you can feel it in your head. The cellular changes and tissue changes will take longer. Watch for changes to skin thickness, tone and elasticity that should be developed in weeks 4 thru 6. You may see changes to fat distribution and amounts in that time frame too. Colors may appear more vivid. You may feel more alive.

 

[JanSz]

did my first shot on friday... 1/2ml (100mg)... have felt pretty good....not so fatigued??? does it work this quick.....even if its all in my head...im happier...

phats

Thanks for Roid Calculator.

Look at a chart I created using Roid Calculator.
It may convince you to do smaller shots more oftem.

Please post your T levels when you get them, and describe in detail when the blood was drawn.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/862826-post18.html

 

[phatkid77]

mmmm.... just got my box of darts in... 23g 1"

if i do E3D injects....how would that measure out on the syringe?? i could go abit higher on one shot if its easier...??

phats

 

[KSman]

mmmm.... just got my box of darts in... 23g 1"

if i do E3D injects....how would that measure out on the syringe?? i could go abit higher on one shot if its easier...??

phats

#23 is way to big for frequent low dose.

How are those sized in ML?

for 100mg/wk, 200mg/ml

EOD is .14ml
E3D is .21ml

A .5ml syringe would be best to manage these.

I inject .14ml EOD with a #29 insulin syringe, slowwww to load. #28 would be better in that regard.

 

[phatkid77]

r u kidding me!!! i about killed the wife as i tried to draw with a 25 gauge i bought..... i REFUSE to draw with 29...although i guess it may not be too bad as your not getting 1ml out....?

oh yeah, i got the 3cc plunger...

 

[KSman]

r u kidding me!!! i about killed the wife as i tried to draw with a 25 gauge i bought..... i REFUSE to draw with 29...although i guess it may not be too bad as your not getting 1ml out....?

oh yeah, i got the 3cc plunger...

The T will flow, just takes time. The time to draw is limited by atmospheric pressure as you pull a vacuum. The 3cc is going to limit the accuracy of the draw, so you will not draw .21 but .2

 

[smc252]

Hold the testosterone vial under some warm water and preheat it, it'll come out way easier!

 

[JanSz]

Hold the testosterone vial under some warm water and preheat it, it'll come out way easier!

Testosterone cypionate need not be refrigirated, right?
But warming it up??? is it not pushing??
when heated up too much it would spoil ??? or not

what would be the max water temperature one would use when heating it up?

my water heater is set at about 140F

inquiring mind want to know

 

[KSman]

Hold the testosterone vial under some warm water and preheat it, it'll come out way easier!

I hope that no one is keeping it refrigerated!

While warming increases flow rates, it also will have some effect on the boiling of the benzyl alcohol. That boiling increases the vapor pressure and thus reduces the relative pressure difference that drives the flow.

 

[JanSz]

I hope that no one is keeping it refrigerated!

While warming increases flow rates, it also will have some effect on the boiling of the benzyl alcohol. That boiling increases the vapor pressure and thus reduces the relative pressure difference that drives the flow.

Nurse just called, I have to go and pick up my script for Depo-T and syringes I requested.

Where can I get it cheep, my choices
Walmart
Wallgreen
local pharmacy Drug-Fair

Good possibility to get DVD with Dr Shippen April's presentation.

 

[phatkid77]

my balls ache!! must be shrinking pains??

 

[KSman]

Nurse just called, I have to go and pick up my script for Depo-T and syringes I requested.

Where can I get it cheep, my choices
Walmart
Wallgreen
local pharmacy Drug-Fair

Good possibility to get DVD with Dr Shippen April's presentation.

10ml 200mg/ml test cyp Watsons generic
-Walgreens $100
-Sam's Club with a Business Membership $42

Syringes 3ml #22 1.5" rom Walgreens, individual, not in a box $1.00 each. Box of 100, #23, 3ml, 1.5" at Sam's Club with a business membership $18.

Insulin syringes, Rely-on, at Sam's or Walmart, $12.60 per 100. No script required in many states.

 

[KSman]

my balls ache!! must be shrinking pains??

Some feel no discomfort when HPTA shuts down and balls shrink, some do. HCG fixed that pain for me.

 

[phatkid77]

well, one week in...been waking up with morning wood.. not sure if its cause i had to go pee...even so, never had them befor...

just need to find someone to deal with it!!!! fack

phats

 

[phatkid77]

10 days in

Morning wood is official...pretty sure..
getting up between 530-830AM, better than the 10-11AM
JOINTS (elbows and shoulders) dont ache... stopped taking mobicox the other day to see if my elbow pain reappears....so far so good.....

phats

 

[fit4life05]

couple questions

-now compared to 10 days ago-
how are energy levels
is your sex drive better
if u lift, is it getting better

anything else in detail?

im in the same boat as u, high 300s Test levels. I start 100mg Test Cyp hopefully tommorow...(well frontloading 200mg first week)

 

[phatkid77]

t levels were between 335-365..although last one was 397??

10days in...have yet to retest...
sex drive is up i think...non-co-operative preggers wife :rasp:
energy is pretty good....not yawning all day ( i was even with theo most potent fat burners in me)
no positve effects on the weights...yet... i think, and so do a few others....i am thinner??

pretty happy at this point

 

[phatkid77]

2 weeks officially over last friday...
no difference in the gym... no chest pains runnig anymore... maybe cause im off the fatburners???
was down 3 lbs first 3-4 days..now i think im up 6lbs...
not sure what to expect..fat loss and muscle gain..so not sure what way the scale will go....lol

i even think my left nipple is getting better...still a little lump, but not as swollen??

phats

 

[phatkid77]

when do i want to get my blood drawn??
day after inject, or day b4 inject??

thnkx

 

[KSman]

when do i want to get my blood drawn??
day after inject, or day b4 inject??

thnkx

1/2 way between injections

too soon to test?

will be testing for E2 as well?

 

[phatkid77]

well, my appt is July 30, so a week b4 that, ill be 4 or 5 weeks in

fool DR wrote to test LH and FSH...lol
ill be writing in total test (im curious)
bio-test
estadiol ultra sens (tested the wrong one b4)


i LOVE to know what my IGF1 levels are...dont want to piss him off tho....

phats

 

[plymouth city]

well, my appt is July 30, so a week b4 that, ill be 4 or 5 weeks in

fool DR wrote to test LH and FSH...lol
ill be writing in total test (im curious)
bio-test
estadiol ultra sens (tested the wrong one b4)


i LOVE to know what my IGF1 levels are...dont want to piss him off tho....

phats

LOL, Dr's. They remind me of that cartoon on comedy central called Little Bush.

You can go threw LEF and forgo all this mess.

 

[phatkid77]

im in canada...can i still do blood thru LEF>org..how do u do it..
id like to get my GH checked...pretty sure that would be a no go, and he would catch on if the results were on my next blood test....lol

phats

 

[KSman]

im in canada...can i still do blood thru LEF>org..how do u do it..
id like to get my GH checked...pretty sure that would be a no go, and he would catch on if the results were on my next blood test....lol

phats

I don't think that LEF will have anything going on for blood tests in Canada.

 

[phatkid77]

i didnt think so...

 

[JanSz]

im in canada...can i still do blood thru LEF>org..how do u do it..
id like to get my GH checked...pretty sure that would be a no go, and he would catch on if the results were on my next blood test....lol

phats

How far from the border are you?
Possibly you can trawel to the nearesr LabCorp across the border.

 

[phatkid77]

well, 4 weeks in now... up around 8lbs
heres from today after abit of a cheat day yesterday..

 

[phatkid77]

well, my arms are up close to 1/2", waist unchanged, ive read someone with a higher BF % it may take 3-6months to drop abdominal fat...

going tomorrow for blood work, and i just realized this thread didnt have my starting point numbs....

shbg.....24nmol
estradoil...78pmol/L ref...<220pmol/L.....
total test 11.5nmol/L.... 331ng/dL
biotest 6.42nmol/L (4-10nmol/L)....185ng/dL? where do i want it?
my LH normal at 3.4 u/l(iguess?)
my PROLACTIN is high at 10.6 THS normal at 2.12,
dheas.....8.2 umol/L (2.8-12.4umol/L) 302mcg/dl???
tsh.......2.10ug/l
FREE T3 5.8 pmol (4-6pmol)
albumin 4.4

phats

 

[phatkid77]

well, 6 wks in now... i noticed a big physical change last week.... not measurement wise, but it looks it...

these were this AM after my nite shift...weighed 227lbs...around 224lb in the AM however... felt bloated and gassy...but im pretty happy, even I can see the difference in these pics, its even better in the mirror, more vascular.....although pics are gr8, taken in my basement...anywho

 

[phatkid77]

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well, i was a bit nervous since i screwed up at the start of my treatment, and was about 3 shots short of my bottle

well, get these results in you.... respond here or my log...ill update there too...

ALBUMIN 45
SHBG 22
PROLACTIN 20 4-18 i think
ESTROGEN 104pmol WRONG TEST I KNOW..again
TEST 18 (10-28) 518ish 300-1200
SHBG 22
PROGESTERONE 1.7umol RANGE .7-4.7...not sure of units
DHEA-S 6.1umol (2.8-18)

i would of thought starting around 365, my test should of been closer to 800ng, not 533, my SHBG did go down tho.

i wrote for sensitive estradiol, and got the same crap again...range went to 220...not sure what to do here..

i knew i felt better, but still not up to snuff.... cant wait to see specialist.. not to mention...getting results at these subpar levels, nice to see, more to come i hope..

 

[fit4life05]

what do u mean u screwed up at the start??

im also suprised it only went up to 533, do u think you natty test is beging to become really suprressed and time for hcg?

 

[JanSz]

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well, i was a bit nervous since i screwed up at the start of my treatment, and was about 3 shots short of my bottle

well, get these results in you.... respond here or my log...ill update there too...

ALBUMIN 45
SHBG 22
PROLACTIN 20 4-18 i think
ESTROGEN 104pmol WRONG TEST I KNOW..again
TEST 18.5 (10-28) 533ish 300-1200
SHBG 22
PROGESTERONE 1.7 RANGE .6-6.0...not sure of units
DHEA-S 6.1umol (2.8-12?)

i would of thought starting around 365, my test should of been closer to 800ng, not 533, my SHBG did go down tho.

i wrote for sensitive estradiol, and got the same crap again...range went to 220...not sure what to do here..

i knew i felt better, but still not up to snuff.... cant wait to see specialist.. not to mention...getting results at these subpar levels, nice to see, more to come i hope..

What is your weekly dose of testosterone
What kind testosterone it is, brand, density, with script (ie legal)
What is your routine doing shots
Are you rigidly follow this routine?
Have you been at least six weeks on that routine before blood draw?
Desribe when you had your blood drawn

If starting from scratch, with your
SHBG=22
you should aim for
TotalT~900
That should happen when you
use 200mg/mL testosterone
E3D schedule
have weekly dose 125mg=0.625cc/week
that translates to
0.625/7*3=26.8~27 units each shot

When blood testing do it on the day of the shot, time of the shot, before shot.

Get prescription compounded pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram, use 1gram/day

 

[phatkid77]

doin deletestryl 200mg/shot, taking 1/4ml on tues and fri(100mg wk), yes with a script....lol
was exactly 6 wks in for this draw... had my last injection on a friday, blood taken on Tues BEFORE shot..

my previous SHBG was 28, you said i need 950 for that... i agree i need more of something...i can muddle thru ttill OCTOBER.....

although i wonder WHY i only increased form around 400ng to 533 on 100mg/wk???

phats

 

[JanSz]

doin deletestryl 200mg/shot, taking 1/4ml on tues and fri(100mg wk), yes with a script....lol
was exactly 6 wks in for this draw... had my last injection on a friday, blood taken on Tues BEFORE shot..

my previous SHBG was 28, you said i need 950 for that... i agree i need more of something...i can muddle thru ttill OCTOBER.....

although i wonder WHY i only increased form around 400ng to 533 on 100mg/wk???

phats

100mg/week is not same as 125mg/week


27 units each shot
E3D schedule

 

[phatkid77]

yeah, but my script is for 200 every 14days (100mg/wk)....so im stuck with that...for now...

i threw in progesterone this time (actually..it may be pregnalone??? LOL) because i read about it effects estrogen and or adrenals???

what one can aromatize to estrogen....im thinking thats why i ACTUALLY wrote for PREGNALONE..

PHATS

 

[phatkid77]

i updated some units..

also, here is a list... i dont see on E2 crap..also, i see canada does test for DHT ...i heard they didnt..

http://www.hicl.on.ca/Price List.pdf

i requested it two months ago...not sure what my level was, not sure it matters too much at this point...

 

[hardasnails1973]

i updated some units..

also, here is a list... i dont see on E2 crap..also, i see canada does test for DHT ...i heard they didnt..

http://www.hicl.on.ca/Price List.pdf

i requested it two months ago...not sure what my level was, not sure it matters too much at this point...

Since pregnenolone converts to progesterone could this lower your e2 as well?

 

[phatkid77]

wish i knew....wouldnt find out anyway...cant figure out the damn E2 test...lol

phats

 

[phatkid77]

oh yeah... this is how i screwed up the start..

i did screw up at first...did 200mg week one, then i am pretty sure i did 100mg 2x week for the second instead of 50mgx2(damn old habits of going to the 1ml line....LOL)

i did feel better at the start, with morning erections and everything....im sure i need more, and like i said my memory is still crap, not sure if the urologist will care about that, or if hes more plumbing oriented....

phats

 

[JanSz]

oh yeah... this is how i screwed up the start..

i did screw up at first...did 200mg week one, then i am pretty sure i did 100mg 2x week for the second instead of 50mgx2(damn old habits of going to the 1ml line....LOL)

i did feel better at the start, with morning erections and everything....im sure i need more, and like i said my memory is still crap, not sure if the urologist will care about that, or if hes more plumbing oriented....

phats

Use calendar, or any other convenient paper or computer file. Write down what you are suppesed to do, check it out when actually done.

Frequent and consistent dose is important, so is correct dose.
You are going to chase your tail if you cant follow routine/protocol,
every aspect of it.

 

[phatkid77]

since people seem to think my 533 is where 100mg would put me.... i personally dont see a big issue of bumping my dose to 125 or even 150 until October (if that brings me to 8-900)......i would have another blood test to compare against my 100mg/wk, and i could see if i "FEEL" any different.......BUT I DONT WANT TO PISS ANYONE OFF........

opinions??? i do see that the test has dropped my SHBG, thus my free T increased......is it where we want it??

free t...13.1ng....2.53%
bio t....321.......62%