Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
- 05-16-2007, 05:24 PM
- 05-16-2007, 05:50 PM
What kind of comments were you looking for, perhaps people need more details as to what you are looking for?
05-16-2007, 05:52 PM
1) how do you feel?
2) what was your current TRT regimen at the time when you took the tests and how long had you been steady?
3) what vitamins and supps do you take?
4) what is your diet like?
5) what is your exercise regimen?
05-16-2007, 07:49 PM
I am 67yo, 6'9", 160#
Other than my aching back I feel ok, but could use more energy.
Almost every other day I need to take afternoon nap, this is new for me.I do one hour per week gym under supervision. Generally to improve my overall strength and core muscles. I wish I had enough energy for another gym day.
I do dancing (aerobics) about 4 hours /week and attend dancing classes 6hrs/week, not sure how to count that it is much less energetic.
My diet is not really organized but probably not really bad.
I eat lots of nuts and fruits, should eat more vegetables.
I used to use 10grams of Androgel and had TT=932ng/dL(241-827)
I switched to equal amount by Test content, Tcream 1gram/day, 100mg/1gram, and my TT falled to 456, most likely part of the reason for lower energy.
I have increased Tcream dose to 2gram/day, if that is not enough I will probably try shots. I have grandson running around and can use only my calves to put Tcream on.
Current test shows too much copper, I stopped my LEF multivitamins with extra niacin and ordered same minus copper.
My current test shows DHEAs 3x over limit I attribute that to my using pregnenolone prescription cream 100mg/1gram, 1gram/day.
I stopped DHEA supplementation.
My current test shows decent cholesterol, possibly too low. This is first in very long time. I attribute that to red yeast rice that I started few months back. It is supported by CoQ10 and Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract from LEF.
I take a tons of supplements from LEF. I stopped their recommended Sytrinol as it did not do its job.
My current test shows Total estrogen and Estrone within range, they were way over range before (and I was told here that nothing can be done about it, and better to not test it). Also my Estradiol stays put at 27. I attribute it to six pills of DualAcrion and 2 pills of TMG both from LEF. DualAction is their version of DIM, heavily supported with I3C, cruciferous extracts, resveratol and others.
I changed to 4 pills of DualAction.
I started 0.25cc/day of LiquiDex, equal to 1/4 pill of Arimidex. After about a week I had to stop that, my nightly wood told me to do that. I guess I am good at E2=27. Scratching my head, I would like to prop my # of ejaculations/week and do not know how.
My Prolactin went slightly up and last test show it at =5.9, since Dr Shippen likes it at 3 I started Vitex 2 pills daily, after about week and half I see no difference.
My previous test show FreeT3=2.9 (2.3-4.2) so I (slowly) added 4 grains Armour Thyroid (and 10mg Cortef), latter stopped Cortef. Last test show FreeT3=486(230-420), over the range, I now take 3grains. Must say that other than little higher body temperature I do not see any difference. I was actually expecting to achieve huge difference in energy levels. Nothing, but my body temp is at desired 36.5C=97.7F slightly less than 36.6C=97.9F I had at my youth.
My SHBG=20 is not that bad, but is slightly below normal range. I have reduce number prostate pills that I take and Super MiraForte, a Chrysin and Nettle product.
My DHT was 226 now 143 (25-75), it is to high, not sure if I should take Avodart. Lower values now are probably due to lower cream application area and lower TotalT.
I have some tests that are (somewhat) over the range it is either Quest or LEF range, ferritin, sodium, Fibrinogen, Hemoglobin A1C, Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A), Glucose. Could use some guidance.
Please look over my test and try to divine some advice.
Mostly how to make me go to gym second day within a week and how to stop afternoon naps.
Edited, my height is 5'9"
05-16-2007, 08:13 PM
Fibrinogen: fish oil, niacin
sodium: drink plenty of H2O, reduce dietary sodium to around 2000 mg/day or less;
ferritin: switch to a multi-vit that has no iron, get transferrin saturation done to check for iron overload;
HbA1C: restrict carbohydrate intake, stick to low-glycemic, get plenty of healthy fats and protein
glucose: same as for HbA1C;
not sure about Lp (A).
05-16-2007, 08:23 PM
You are 6'9? Do you mean 5'9? If your 6'9, that in itself explains your bad back. This world is not designed for 6'9 people, pretty much every guy over 40 I know that is excessively tall has back issues to do this. All the extra bending over/cramming you people have to do aint easy. Makes me glad Im a short guy, everything is desgined for me
JansZ, you need more T. Bottom line, no escaping it. Switching over to shots might be your best route. You can(and I advise it) to keep using pregnenolone cream, just get it without T.
Your DHT will continue to go down as you keep up with preg cream, and even more so when you switch over to shots.
Is chrysin in your cream? Dump it, your SHBG low no reason to lower it.
Ferritin is a marker for iron. You like alot of people probably avoid iron like the plague, hence the lower range. Find a good chelated mineral supp and try throwing in low dose iron for a bit and see ferritin go up to normal.
Lp(A) can be lowered with green leafy vegetable intake and B vitamin supplementation. I keep on you jansZ about eating your veggies you must listen. If I can't get you to cook you should try my latest venture Im on and start juicing - Official Site : Jack LaLanne's Power Juicer As Seen On TV - The Official Power Juicer Site for Fast Healthy Fresh Fruit Juice and Vegetable Juice in Seconds.
In reference to Hemoglobin and Glucose check out the links I left for you. If you mistyped and you are only 5'9 at 160 Im assuming you might be carrying around a little extra weight.
05-16-2007, 08:27 PM
Again, Im wary of Vitex from most places. When Biotest comes out with Vitex product you will be first to know.
05-16-2007, 08:57 PM
your elevated dhea is probably throwing off your PSA as well as your estrogen metabolism. E2 could come down a bit may be to 15-20 it may open up your free test levels. Copper is probably depleting iron since they compete..Copper is due to probably adrenal secreting it out of the tissue from some kind of detoxification. I bet the lowering of total estrogen might have freed it up from the tissue..
05-16-2007, 11:40 PM
05-17-2007, 07:16 AM
05-20-2007, 04:39 PM
My fasting glucose is either 98 or 105mg/dL, LEF likes it at (70-85)
Actually I have a old meter I used to use for my late diabetic dog. Will double check tommorow morning.
Reading thru LEF articles I found supplements that they recomend:
200 mcg , 365 capsules
Item Catalog Number: 169
Chromium Polynicotinate, 200 Mcg 365 Capsules
February 28, 2006
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Super Carnosine, 500 Mg 90 Capsules
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Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500 Mg 100 Capsules
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October 31, 2006
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Mega Silymarin with Isosilybin B 100 capsules Item Catalog Number: 702
Enhanced Cinnulin Pf® With Glucose Management Proprietary Blend, 90 Vegetarian Capsules
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There is a description of tonns of ingredients under a link provided.
Looking for opinions.
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05-20-2007, 06:50 PM
250IU HCG EOD retains baseline funtioning. Do not raise, as it will desensitize testes and possible E2 increase. Stick with that.
Your trying more cream? I would look to using a combo preg cream + Injects. No more rubbing insane amounts of cream into calves. Will cut down on that.
Best thing to do to get glucose under control is to follow a natural diet. Lots of lean meats, nutts, seads, fatty fish, eggs, veggies and fruit. Take in lots of olive and coconut oil and walnutts as well.
I haven't figured out how Im going to do the juice thing yet, but again I will be using the same frozen fruits veggies that i use. I tend to stick with broccoli, spinich, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries. I will buy carrots, apples, and cucumbers fresh.
I was thinking 1 apple, 1/4 cup of frozen veggie and 1/4 cup frozen fruit as blend, with olive and coconut oil dumped in. I'll let ya know.
Im not an advocate of lifting super heavy weights. I feel stiff and sluggish when I do so. I like staying lean and limber. I do alot of high intensity movements like sprinting and plyo's, these cut my legs up better than squats and don't leave me dragging for three days the way heavy squats do. Plus, given my profession Im on my feet alot I need to be quick. I love doing Bikram yoga. I also dig this DVD - Testosterone Nation - MAGNIFICENT MOBILITY DVD
Given your age High intensity stuff like plyos is out, however good ol fashion walking is great. Resristance training is good, stick with moderate reps and weights. And don't be afraid to skimp a little on calories, cut down on meal sizes.
05-20-2007, 09:49 PM
I found this site with some pictures.
fitness exercise descriptions
I will have to start doing it with arabesque, nice to keep balance (in old age).
05-21-2007, 06:51 PM
I love getting ART, can't speak highly enough about it, I try and go once every couple months, in between foam roller/ball exercises help. I love that DVD I posted above, GET IT! :bb2:
05-21-2007, 07:21 PM
I can do only very basic, popular steps.
It can get quite energetic when you get into proper group of people.
Plus it newer hurts being in close proximity to energetic hot girls.
If you cannot get salsa, Lindy is not bad either.
You will do most everything I see on your tape, except faster and often backward.
I only want what is best for you.
05-22-2007, 10:54 PM
06-15-2007, 10:26 PM
When I switched from 10gram Androgel to 100mg/1gram Tcream, I used 1gram/day of that cream.
Blood test got me low TT so I am doing 2gram/day of that Tcream.
I was planning to test and see my new levels but lost patience.
Called doctors office, most likely by middle of next week I will have vial of Depo-Testosterone.
I will try Wallgreens and Wallmart for good price.
Before calling doc's office, I called my compounding pharmacy.
They do not sell original Depo-Testosterone
They compound it in sezame oil, 10ml vial 200mg/mL, $40
They could compound in cotton seed oil, $109
Cotton seed oil is used in Depo-T the original manufactured by Pfizer
I am sure either of the three would work, but my concern is about which one would flow easier thru 28 or 29ga needle that I plan on using.
I use HCG, I do not think my testis are producing T
What would be the good weekly dose, I am aiming at the top of the ranges, 5-10% above it would probably be also ok.
I am going to inject (T+HCG) SubQ at the same time, two syringes.
E3D or E2D
If E2D T+250IU
If E3D T+500IU
I am planning on 100-120mg/week
but I think I have seen 150
200 is too much.
Comments, information ..
06-18-2007, 02:41 PM
Input # of mg on days you plan on getting the shots.
Click view diagram
Below is a study done using Roid Calculator
The attached picture assumes average 100mg/week of Tcypionate,
From left to right:
once every two weeks
The table shows blood levels starting from day 1 to day 56, 8 weeks.
One should probably pay attention to levels starting at week 4 until week 8.
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06-18-2007, 03:08 PM
06-18-2007, 03:32 PM
cool indeed...your welcome for the link... i just couldnt figure the damn thing out....
to me... doesnt look like its all that benefitial E3d over E2d..
i was planning on going every mon and frid..
06-18-2007, 04:35 PM
But just look at once a week graph and think of the stress body have to go thru to live with these waves.
Just hire a 30' fishing boat off Belmar NJ, once on a calm day and then when you have still no newer mind 4 footers.
And then if you lucky get into 8-10 footers.
I have made another presentation of same problem.
These are just numbers, do not jump.
I assumed 1000mg average weekly dose.
I also calculated for daily injections.
On my monitor I do no even have to open the chart, I can see the action on the icon representing the chart.
normal schedule, note time in days to stabilize
levels on 1/2weeks, 1/week, E3D, E2D & ED injections
06-19-2007, 11:01 AM
Ok, when we start new dose we would like to get to a steady state as fast as possible. Well RoidCalculator would have to be used to input last week or so of old schedule and then the new schedule.
Easier case, for someone who just starts clean.
The attached chart includes 1/week, E3D, E2D, every day easy rampup ideas.
Now, if only Dr John would buy this work, someone doing daily injections would not have to wait 4-6 weeks to stabilize and be able to do blood test, he could do testing (theoretically) on the day 5 or 6, playing safe on end of second week.
Also someone on E3D would be good to go on day 4
06-20-2007, 04:03 PM
So my glucose is little high, 98 or 105.
Better indicator of Average Blood Sugar is Hemoglobin A1c
I have 5.4%
On this web site
Health Library Provided by Private MD - Confidential Online Lab Testing Services
I found relationship between the two.
If one beliewes numbers the relationship is linear.
A1c is better indicator than one time glucose check.
I have made a little table that will help figuring out the two for numbers that are not specifically posted.
This sucks, my glucose is actually worst than I thught.
What to do.
So far I was able to get from LEF
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Will check in a month or so how/if it works.
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What does the test result mean?
The hemoglobin A1c percentage rises as your average blood sugar level rises.
The normal range for a person without diabetes is 4 to 6%.
The goal for most adults with diabetes is an A1c below 7%. For some people the goal should be 6% or less. For others, the A1C goal may need to be slightly higher than 7% (for example, the very elderly).
The following chart shows examples of how the hemoglobin A1c is related to your average blood sugar level:
Hemoglobin A1c Average Blood Sugar
6% 135 mg/dL
7% 170 mg/dL
8% 205 mg/dL
9% 240 mg/dL
10% 275 mg/dL
06-20-2007, 07:41 PM
They had generic for $100+-, I requested brand name
got screwed in a way
Wallgrens is 7 miles away, when I called them I thought the $100 was for brand name.
I could have got the thing in my local pharmacy, 2 miles way.
Important note, have to buy all my refills within 6 months.
Either that or bug doc for new script, will see.
Got 29 & 28Ga 1/2cc needles
actually I also ordered 29ga 3/10cc needles
will see how they will work.
Per one of your previous statements, the 1/2cc is required because it have a smaller piston so I am assuming the 3/10cc should be even smaller, easier to handle suction and then injection. Will see.
I will do E3D SubQ injections, each shot 28units on syringe
I may change to E2D SubQ injections, each shot 19units on syringe
With E3D injections I will do at the same time 500iu HCG
if E2D injections I will do at the same time 250iu HCG
Using new found knowledge from Roid Calculator
I am assuming that current 2grams of Tcream gives me TT~750
The switch to 130mg/week Of Depo-T should put me at around TT~1100
Eyballing the Roid Calculator chart,
Today--I had Tcream
Tomorow Day1-0.28cc +250iu HCG
Day3-0.28cc +500iu HCG
Day6-0.28cc +500iu HCG
normal schedule E3D
When I was on 10grams of Androgel I had TT=932, felt better then now, but high DHT.
Hopefully injections will make me feel better and will not screw DHT, will see its effect on E2.
Will have to start putting together (short) list for my next blood test 1-2 months away.
06-20-2007, 07:58 PM
STICK TO 42.5 mgs of test every 3 days with 250 ius hcg and then you can increase it, but Shippen told me average male makes 50-70 mgs of testosterone a week !!
06-20-2007, 08:44 PM
This is 1-2 months plan, then I am going to check
Estrogens, Total, Serum
and adjust dose
using T creme I ended with low TT=400's on 1 gram, I had to increase to 2grams
I do not want to do blood test now to see where I am at
I will test within 2 months.
Before Tcream I was on 10grams of Androgel, TT=932, felt better.
06-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Ok, got my first T shot.
28 units on insuline syringe.
Used 29ga 1/2cc, it flows in real easy from the vial and then shot,
wonder if I should try 30Ga, specially if it was 3/10cc (hopefully even smaller piston)??
Then on the other side of my navel 250iu HCG
Tomorrow shots free day.
start of normal E3D schedule
Shots were done hour ago, still waiting for any pain, so far nothing at all.
I used container from old medicine to store Depo-T vial.
I put the little cap on top of vial and then closed the whole thing, fits snug.
Look at the picture
06-21-2007, 12:14 PM
Jansz your going taking 3 steps backwards and one forward.
what is dosage of testosterone you are taking every 3 days?
The dosages you are doing are crossing the benefit/risk ratio of TRT and are headed into steroid usage which will only put stress on entire endocrine system and will feel good for 2-3 weeks untill your testosterone and estrogen receptors are over loaded and then you will crash. Been there did that done that. Your adrenals are already stress and adjusting your testosterone dosge to 800-900 on blood test on second day after the injection will give you a good average. Your e2 and DHT are going to go out the roof and like Dr Shippen told me using another drug inorder to offset side effects to push above the numbers all the way to high end is fuked up.
Think of it this way
bypossible swtiching over to hcg +injections and keeping them in upper 25% of the range you will lower dht and e2 which will reduce the need for finisterde and armidex. More is not better Bro and personally you are going to end up causing major cardiovascaular problems in the future tinkering around with those dosages. Go 42.5 mgs every 3 days with 250 ius retest in 4 weeks then increase if not into target range
06-21-2007, 12:53 PM
Free T, FreeE
Within last week Phil posted his dose IIRC about 150, he eats the T like nobody else.
There was another bro, he went down from 200 to 140/week on doctors advice.
My dose is designed to be 130/week on average.
I will do blood test within 2 months or sooner if I feel need for it, I will do adjustments at that time.
I do not use Arimidex, hopefully will stay that way.
I do 6 pills of DualAction and 2 pills of TMG, so far that was working good for me.
Recently I added 3 pills of Resveratrol (300mg/day), this is on top of what Resveratrol is in DualAction.
I am not really clear how Resveratol influences Estrogens, but supposedly it is good to take so I do.
DHT, I am hoping/expecting to end up with lower values than when on cream or gel. Supposedly it is largely a function of skin area, time will tell. I am out of Avodart (and Proscar) for long time, minimizing medicines.
06-21-2007, 02:58 PM
120 mgs a week put me at trough at 1111 TT but bio T was only mid way ? and that was on a 2 week split m,th 60 mgs with 250 ius hcg day before the shot. Blood was drwn on monday morning before shot and i was on .5 mgs armidex on day of shot but quest did the wrong test for e2 and royally set me back almost 2 months because of it..Now on stable test E at 42.5 mgs every 3 days with 250 ius of hcg with .5 mgs armidex on day of the shot to help bring down the e2 levels of 73 will retest in 4 weeks
e2, dht, biotest, TT, homocysteine, Lp(a), ft4, ft3, copper, ferritin, CBC, CMP
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