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Lets keep taking pregnenolone
and check blood levels of
pregnenolone
and
progesterone
we will find out real answer very quickly.
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So far, for me, dr Hertoghes prediction panned out just the way he said.
But I do not really care if dr Hertoghe is right or wrong
or
if BigPharma makes a profit or not.
I just worry about my own health.
.............
All the theories still work as discussed, no need to change much.
Supplementing with progesterone creates all the desirable downstream metabolites of progesterone
AND
it raises pregnenolone
so
pregnenolone metaboloites (except for progesterone) are still being created.
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11/6/2010
I started supplementing with 100mg/day Prometrium (micronized progesterone)
had a chance to take a peek at my prog
11/18/2010
progesterone=1.7
more detailed testing I have now planned for a mid January.
I was trying to get it sooner but was not able to talk my doc into doing it.
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It would be nice if you could post details on your own experience, it would increase our very small database.
If you are press for time I can help with organizing presentation of your data.
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I first learned about the 35yo situation here, a week ago:
http://musc lechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121121&postcount=222
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For your convenience I will post the whole post:
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Now the mystery of why women's HRT doctors start with progesterone.
Apparently a route towars allo-pregnenolone still works (after 35yo).
Thank to Google Chrome here is translation to English.
And pregnenolone, why supplements?
Dr. Thierry Hertoghe: Pregnenolone is really to improve memory, quite clear. I am myself 50 mg daily in the morning. It is imperative, and this is very important, take it in the morning. If taken at night before bed, it seems not to work.
By cons, a morning dose of pregnenolone, taken in a certain way, before use, works great.
Pregnenolone is considered a precursor of a whole series of other hormones. But if you have more than 35 years, this transformation does not happen very well. It should theoretically be turned into sex hormones, adrenal hormones, progesterone ... but in reality, this does not happen very well in a majority of patients after 35 years. It is therefore rather be seen as a hormone typically for memory and possibly in some nerve disorders. For example, when some injures nerves in animals the spinal cord, we saw that pregnenolone allow repair of the nerve faster and more efficient.
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It is very easy to find out the real truth.If Dr Hertoghe wrote that the synthesis of pregnenolone is fine, but the synthesis of progesterone is heavily downregulated, in males over 35, then he's plain wrong.
The synthesis reaction which slows down is the synthesis of pregnenolone from LDL cholesterol, and that is the fundmanemtal root cause explanation for why the vast majority of males have rising LDL cholesterol levels as they age.
If the conversion from LDL cholesterol to pregnenolone were working, then there would be no market for statin drugs to suppress LDL cholesterol levels.
The market for statin drugs is in the billions.
The only reason that pregnenolone supplementation isn't being used to keep LDL cholesterol in check is because big pharma would start world war 3 if someone were to go global with the info that pregnenolone is a low cost, bioidentical and extremely reliable alternative to statin drugs.
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My guess is that Dr Hertoghe knows that if he spells out in black-and-white that the synthesis of pregnenolone is the problem, then a few doctors are going to learn very quickly that supplementing pregnenolone reduced their patient's LDL cholesterol levels. And once doctors start prescribing pregnenolone instead of statins, then that's when the first air strikes will be called in.
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Lets keep taking pregnenolone
and check blood levels of
pregnenolone
and
progesterone
we will find out real answer very quickly.
--------
So far, for me, dr Hertoghes prediction panned out just the way he said.
But I do not really care if dr Hertoghe is right or wrong
or
if BigPharma makes a profit or not.
I just worry about my own health.
.............
All the theories still work as discussed, no need to change much.
Supplementing with progesterone creates all the desirable downstream metabolites of progesterone
AND
it raises pregnenolone
so
pregnenolone metaboloites (except for progesterone) are still being created.
--------
11/6/2010
I started supplementing with 100mg/day Prometrium (micronized progesterone)
had a chance to take a peek at my prog
11/18/2010
progesterone=1.7
more detailed testing I have now planned for a mid January.
I was trying to get it sooner but was not able to talk my doc into doing it.
////
It would be nice if you could post details on your own experience, it would increase our very small database.
If you are press for time I can help with organizing presentation of your data.
...............
============================
I first learned about the 35yo situation here, a week ago:
http://musc lechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121121&postcount=222
=================
For your convenience I will post the whole post:
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Thank you, good info.A small excerpt of an interview of Dr Hertoghe on Nutranews - march 2008
Et la prégnénolone, pourquoi une supplémentation ?
Dr Thierry Hertoghe : La prégnénolone
sert en fait à améliorer la mémoire, de
façon assez nette. J’en prends moi-même
50 mg chaque jour au matin. Il faut absolument,
et cela est très important, la prendre
le matin. Si on la prend le soir avant de
se coucher, cela semble ne pas fonctionner.
Par contre, une prise matinale de prégnénolone,
prise d’une certaine façon, avant
de l’utiliser, fonctionne très bien.
La prégnénolone est considérée comme un
précurseur de toute une série d’autres hormones.
Mais si l’on a plus de 35 ans, cette
transformation ne se passe pas très bien. Elle
devrait théoriquement se transformer en
hormones sexuelles, en hormones surrénaliennes,
en progestérone… mais en réalité,
cela ne se passe pas très bien chez une
majorité de patients après 35 ans. Il faut
donc plutôt la voir comme une hormone
typiquement pour la mémoire et, éventuellement,
dans certaines pathologies nerveuses.
Par exemple, lorsqu’on lèse certains
nerfs chez l’animal au niveau de la moelle
épinière, on a vu que la prégnénolone permettait
une réparation de ce nerf plus rapide
et plus efficace.
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Literal translation :
Dr H takes 50 mg of Preg in the morning ( oral ?). He insists that it should be taken in the morning - Why ?
He says that beyond 35 years , the conversion to downstream metabolites is far from perfect in the majority of his patients.
link : http://www.nutranews.org/article.php3?id_rubrique=24&id_article=915
Now the mystery of why women's HRT doctors start with progesterone.
Apparently a route towars allo-pregnenolone still works (after 35yo).
Thank to Google Chrome here is translation to English.
And pregnenolone, why supplements?
Dr. Thierry Hertoghe: Pregnenolone is really to improve memory, quite clear. I am myself 50 mg daily in the morning. It is imperative, and this is very important, take it in the morning. If taken at night before bed, it seems not to work.
By cons, a morning dose of pregnenolone, taken in a certain way, before use, works great.
Pregnenolone is considered a precursor of a whole series of other hormones. But if you have more than 35 years, this transformation does not happen very well. It should theoretically be turned into sex hormones, adrenal hormones, progesterone ... but in reality, this does not happen very well in a majority of patients after 35 years. It is therefore rather be seen as a hormone typically for memory and possibly in some nerve disorders. For example, when some injures nerves in animals the spinal cord, we saw that pregnenolone allow repair of the nerve faster and more efficient.
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http://musc lechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=109770&postcount=499
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