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It is very important to have steady routine and not to get screwed by laboratory. For my next test I will go to Quest lab, script in hand and have them prepare paperwork first. I did that first time and they let me check the tests that they were going to do. I still missed pregnenolone and double Testosterone, but that was realy my fault, one can say. Unfortunately with large tests there is big chance for screw-ups. | ||||
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Rep Power: 0 | Nails, You are 25 to 30 something with testicals that still produce T. JansZ is older with testicals that probably produce nothing. It is very very likely he will need more T than you to end up in upper range. hCG in people with responding testes, healthy young leydig cells will crank up T 200 points(Like in you) JansZ testicals are probably permanently shutdown, leydig cells in testes will become basically 'dead" from having years of no response/use, desensitized. hCG still benefit though because balls will swell up, prevent scrotum from tightening up, for looks as well. I have read stuff that hCG will boost mood, blood flow of genital area even if testicals do not work anymore. There is new cutting edge work now that has shown hCG is a very very potent fat burner and metabolism booster. Exact sceince of such is still unknown. hMG is the new guy on the block. It is basically FSH(follicle stimulating hormone). It combined with hCG(basically LH) and becomes a deadly, potent one-two punch. It will be the new wave, in future everyone will inject hCG and hMG in conjunction. Some are already on bandwagon. hCG and hMG is also the newest and improved way to restard HTPA axis. |
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But now few questions. Have you been on HCG alone for enough time to be able feel difference if any when you added HMG? What is that difference? What brand of HMG that you are using, dose, frequency There is HCG, HMG and FSH, have you considered using all three? How much it cost? Where to buy to get good price? I can get script if I really am convinced of the benefits, so do not hold back. Why are you using HMG, are you trying to get her pregnant or for personal fulfilment? -------------------------------------------------------- Wish you luck -------------------------------------------------------- http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/536457-post31.html In this post, on the bottom, there is a link to a table that shows different brands of FSH HCG HMG | ||||
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| What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? Question: What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? I have heard of quite a few different injectible drugs you can use (i.e., Pergonal, HMG, Humegon, etc) and want to know if there is a drug that is cheaper than the others and also is it effective? Answer: - FSH/LH drugs (HMG): Repronex is cheapest in most places, Humegon next, then Pergonal is much more costly. They are all basically the same. FSH: Only Fertinex to choose from. RhFSH: Follistim is cheaper than Gonal-F in most places. Repronex or Humegon are probably the cheapest injectible meds you can get ahold of right now. - And repronex works, trust me. That's what I'm using. Now if we can just get those darn sperm to swim in the right direction... Gonal -F® 75 IU (Serono Europe Pack) $48.50 Gonal -F® 900 IU PEN (Serono Europe Pack) $580.00 Follistim® (Puregon®) 300 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $172.50 Follistim® (Puregon®) 600 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $345.00 Repronex®(Menopur®) 75 IU (Ferring Europe Pack) $34.00 HMG (Generic Repronex®) 75 IU (Generic Europe Pack) $12.75 Fostimon® (Gen. Bravelle®) 75 IU (IBSA Europe Pack) $28.00 HCG (Pregnyl®) 10,000 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $25.00 Lupron® - 14 day, 2.8 ml (Abbott Europe Pack) $170.00 Synarel® Spray (0.2 mg/0.5ml) (Pharmacia Europe Pack) $190.00 Antagon®(Orgalutran®) .25 mg/.5 ml (Organon Europe Pack) $57.00 Cetrotide® 0.25 mg (Serono Europe Pack) $60.00 Ovidrel® (Ovitrelle®) (250 mcg) (Serono Europe Pack) $58.00 Clomid® 50 mg (each) (Aventis Europe Pack) $1.50 ============================== ============================== =============== Bravelle™ 75 International Units Vial Cetrotide® .25mg prefilled syringe Cetrotide® 3mg prefilled syringe Clomiphene Citrate 50mg Tabs Crinone Gel 8% Vaginal Applicators Fertile One vitamin supplement 120 Tablets Follistim® AQ 300 International Units, 600 International Units and 900 International Units Cartridge 75 International Units and 150 International Units Vial Ganirelix (formerly Antagon) 250mcg Syringe Gonal - F® 450 International Units Multi Dose Vial Gonal - F® RFF 75 International Units Vial Gonal - F® RFF Pen 300, 450 and 900 HCG 10,000 International Units Vial IVIG Varies Lupron® 2 Week Kit Leuprolide Acetate 2 Week Kit Luveris® 75 International Units Vial Menopur® 75 International Units Vial Novarel™ 10,000 International Units Vial Ovidrel® 250mcg Prefilled Syringe Progesterone in Oil 50 mg/ml Vial 10ml Vial Repronex® 75 International Units Vial | |||
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| Using my study above using RoidCalculator, I note that on weekly injection test blood level are half on minimum of what they are at the max. ------ Using this study, I know T levels at the minimum. Blood drawn on the day of weekly shot right before the shot. AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 Table 2 Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism ------------------------ My analysis is shown on the attached chart, also bottom line results are below. Variation= ±75 should be added when reading the table. Also remember that in the study endogenous testosterone was blocked, testis were not producing T during study. DepoT TotalT SHBG FreeT SHBG FreeT 25 353 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 30 381 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 35 410 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 40 438 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 45 466 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 50 494 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 55 522 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 60 551 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 65 579 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 70 607 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 75 635 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 80 663 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 85 692 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 90 720 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 95 748 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 100 776 xx5 300 14.4 250 105 805 xx7 300 16.5 250 110 833 xx9 300 18.6 250 115 861 10.8 300 20.7 250 120 889 xx13 300 xx23 250 125 917 xx15 300 xx25 250 130 946 16.7 300 x27.3 250 135 974 18.7 300 x29.4 250 140 1002 xx21 300 x31.5 250 145 1030 22.6 300 x33.5 250 150 1058 24.5 300 x35.6 250 155 1087 26.4 300 xx38 250 160 1115 28.4 300 xx40 250 165 1143 30.4 300 x42.2 250 170 1171 32.3 300 x44.4 250 175 1199 34.3 300 x46.3 250 180 1228 36.3 300 x48.5 250 185 1256 38.2 300 x50.7 250 190 1284 xx40 300 x52.8 250 195 1312 xxxx 300 xx55 250 200 1340 xx44 300 xx57 250 205 1369 xxxx 300 x59.3 250 210 1397 xx48 300 x61.5 250 215 1425 xxxx 300 x63.4 250 220 1453 51.7 300 xxxx 250 225 1481 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 230 1510 55.6 300 xxxx 250 235 1538 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 240 1566 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 245 1594 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 250 1622 63.5 300 xxxx 250 255 1651 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 260 1679 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 265 1707 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 270 1735 71.0 300 xxxx 250 275 1763 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 280 1792 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 285 1820 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 290 1848 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 295 1876 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 300 1904 83.0 300 99.9 250 ======================= Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator ------------------------------ Unit conversion Conventional units - SI units Chemistry Conversion Unit Prefix Conversion Calculator ------------------------------ SI Units for Clinical Data very big tabeConversion: to convert from the conventional unit to the SI unit, multiply by the conversion factor; to convert from the SI unit to the conventional unit, divide by the conversion factor. Estradiol pg/mL 3.671 pmol/L(30pg/mL * 3.671)=110.13pmol/L Estriol ng/mL 3.467 nmol/L Estrone ng/dL 37 pmoI/L Testosterone ng/dL 0.0347 nmol/L(700ng/dL * 0.0347)=24.9nmol/L DHEA ng/dL 0.0347 nmol/L DHEA Sulfate μg/dL 0.0271 μmol/L DHEAs 100 mcg/dL=100 µg/dL= 2.71µmol/L= 2.71umol/L DHEAs 500mcg/dL=500µg/dL=13.55µmol/L=13.55umol/L DHEAs 640mcg/dL=17.34µmol/L=17.34umol/L http://www.questdiagnostics.com/hcp/...EndoManual.pdf mcg is a casual way of writing microgram. The correct symbol is µg, and there are 1000µg in 1 milligram ------------------------------ Adrenal Labs - How to Interpret them *** Stop The Thyroid Madness :: View topic - *** Adrenal Labs - How to Interpret them *** Stop The Thyroid Madness » ADRENALS FAQ–the most frequently asked questions ------------------------------ | |||
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| Dr Shippen Chart Link to (TT, SHBG, FreeT) chart http://www.andropause.org.uk/nomo_tas.pdf The Andropause Society Home ============================== ============================== ========== Dr Shippen Chart Testosterone Conversion Factor: pg/ml x 3.47 = pMol/L Androgen deficiency in the adult ... - Google Books Androgen Deficiency in the Adult ... - Google Book Search This chart is from a book (second page from the top): Androgen Defficiency in the Adult Male causes, diagnosis and treatment by Malcom Carruthers printed by Taylor and Princes Group search on keyword nomogram androgen deficiency carruthers | |||
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| Interesting....i applied my last two tests - used my shgb and TT and used this to calculate FreeT, and this chart resulted in almost 2x the Free t compared to my Quest results. | |||
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Was your FreeT assayed or calculated by Quest. There is at least two ways (probably more) to get number that is called FreeT. FreeT and BioAvailableT tests are notoriously inaccurate (grossly, over 200%). The chart is a fall-back way out of this confusion. Dr Shippen uses this chart (if that would help getting some confidence). The chart is 1999 vintage, made based on science of about 1990. To my knowledge there are at least two items that greatly influence results in rather uncontrolable ways; recently discovered duality of SHBG and fact that age of person being tested influences results. Wish Dr John had a time to discuss this issue. AnotherOldGuy, hopefully this issue will bother you enough so you will dig deeper, if you find anything helpfull and relevant please post it right here or open new thread. Not sure yet, but I think older guys are infueced more by this than younger whipper snappers. In this post Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Attention all those on Sub-q injections I have made attempt at calculating FreeT using internet provided calculator. Since results come widely scattered I no longer have confidence using it. age-associated Bio-T age-associated Bio-T | ||||
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| My list for blood testing, long, for once/year testing. Latter will add shorter list, for 2-3/year corrective action, tweaks. Below are my ICD-9 codes that helps with insurance. Also place to buy syringes for Testosterone and HCG. (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request) Print from here down to the next blue text. This list is meant to be done at LabCorp.com ============================== ================== 1 --------- Comprehensive Metabolic Panel w/EGFR 2 --------- CBC w/ diff/PLT 3 --------- VAP TM Cholesterol Test 4 --------- Selenium, Whole Blood 5 --------- Copper, serum 6 --------- Zinc 7 --------- Magnesium, RBC 8 --------- Potassium, RBC 9 --------- C-Reactive Protein (CRP), Highly Sensitive, CSF 10 --------- Fibrinogen 11 --------- Homocysteine, cardio 12 --------- Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A) 13 --------- Iron and Iron Binding Capacity 14 --------- Iron, Total 15 --------- Ferritin 16 --------- Transferrin 17 --------- Folate, RBC & Hematocrit 18 --------- Hemoglobin A1c 19 --------- Hemoglobin, Plasma 20 --------- VITAMIN A, E, B3, B12 21 --------- Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 22 --------- T3, Total 23 --------- T4, Total 24 --------- T3, Free 25 --------- T4,Free 26 --------- T3, Reverse 27 --------- Ultrasensitive TSH 28 --------- Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies 29 --------- Thyroglobulin 30 --------- Thyroxine-binding globulin 31 --------- Insulin, serum 32 --------- IGF Binding protein-3 33 --------- IGF-1 34 --------- DHEA Sulfate 35 --------- Aldosterone 36 --------- Renin Activity, Plasma 37 --------- ACTH, Plasma 38 --------- Cortisol Binding Globulin (Transcortin) 39 --------- 7:30AM/12PM/3:30PM---Cortisol, Free and Total 40 --------- Prolactin 41 --------- Progesterone 42 --------- Pregnenolone 43 --------- Androstenedione 44 --------- Estradiol, sensitive 140244 (3-70) 45 --------- Estrone, Serum 46 --------- Total Testosterone 47 --------- SHBG 48 --------- Albumin 49 --------- Dihydrotestosterone 50 --------- 3a-Androstanediol Glucuronide 51 --------- Ceruloplasmin 52 --------- Coenzyme Q10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 244.9 ----- 257.2 ----- 780.79 250.00 ----- 272.4 ----- 788.41 250.01 ----- 601.9 ----- 253.3 255.4 ----- 780.4 ----- 255.8 783.9 ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================== ============================== =============== End of list =========see another lis of ICD-9 codes on the bottom of this post ====== (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request) ICD9Data.com - Free 2007 ICD-9-CM Medical Coding Database 250.00 Diabetes mellitus without complication type ii or unspecified type not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.00 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type Ii Or Unspecified Type Not Stated As Uncontrolled 250.01 Diabetes mellitus without complication type i not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.01 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type I Not Stated As Uncontrolled 255.4 Corticoadrenal insufficiency 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.4 - Corticoadrenal Insufficiency 783.9 Other symptoms concerning nutrition metabolism and development 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 783.9 - Other Symptoms Concerning Nutrition Metabolism And Development 257.2 Other testicular hypofunction 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 257.2 - Other Testicular Hypofunction 272.4 Other and unspecified hyperlipidemia 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 272.* - Disorders of lipoid metabolism 601.9 Prostatitis unspecified 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 601.* - Inflammatory diseases of prostate 780.4 Dizziness and giddiness 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.4 - Dizziness And Giddiness 780.79 Other malaise and fatigue 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.79 - Other Malaise And Fatigue 788.41 Urinary frequency 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 788.41 - Urinary Frequency 253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency 255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Adrenal fatigue, does it really exist? 255 Disorders of adrenal glands For coding adrenal fatigue, I just use the code for Other Specified Disorders of the Adrenal Glands - which I call Adrenal Fatigue 255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands HGH and Insurance Coverage Dr. John 12-17-2006, 06:25 AM ICD-9 253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency ============================== ============================== ========================= EstroEssence that I send for on Monday Oct1/2007 had the following ICD-9 codes 600.0 606.1 257.2 253.4 Genova Diagnostics EstroEssence The EstroEssence check the following 11 (eleven) indicators: Estrone (24hr urine)Male 3.00-12.00 mcg/24 hr Estradiol (24hr urine)Male1.50-6.00 mcg/24 hr Estriol (24hr urine)Male 3.00-28.50 mcg/24 hr 2-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.26-13.68 mcg/24 hr 2-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.34-9.03 mcg/24 hr 16α-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.25-7.89 mcg/24 hr 4-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.33-1.95 mcg/24 hr 4-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.40 0.20-1.60 mcg/24 hr 2-Hydroxyestrone/16α-Hydroxestrone Ratio (24hr urine)0.94-1.56 Ratio 2-Methoxyestrone/2-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.11-4.00 Ratio 4-Methoxyestrone /4-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.18-3.60 Ratio ============================== ============================== ============= The Metabolic profile that I send for on Monday Oct1/2007 had the following ICD-9 codes 536.8 579.8 558.3 783.2 009.1 --------------------------- Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis (HTMA) Hair Analysis At Genova they need 1" of hair from the back of head, approx 2 months growth, last 2 weeks wash hair with Johnson baby shampoo. Today I go to Kim for haircut, 11/16/2007, last time I had hair colored Oct12/2007 Use stainless steel scissors 500 milligrams has been recommended. minimum sample of 250 milligrams (0.25 g) for analysis Genova Diagnostics - Home ------------------------------------------------------- Assessment Categories GDX Laboratory Assessment Categories --------------------------------- EstroEssence --(Cost $384.99 out of pocket $27.49)-- Genova Diagnostics EstroEssence EstroEssence Complete (24hr) this is the one to do next Check differences on taking samples NutrEval and NutrEval-NEW, want the one with 24 hr urine if there is such ============================== ========================== JanSz-Metabolic Analysis and Cellular Energy Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 Magnesium, how to increase Endocrinological charts Endocrinological charts Bill for my blood test at Quest Perfect way of finding right doctor Jansz - more infor on methy estrone imbalnace GLA but AA below range Quality supplements (Wise Guy et alii) -------http://mus--clecha---troom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395&page=2 Symptoms, Diseases and Diagnosis - WrongDiagnosis.com Example of logic algoritm when using Genova tests Genova Diagnostics - Anti-Aging Digest possible underlying causes and contributing factors GDX Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) Comprehensive Nutritional Assessment nutritional supplement program customized to individual requirements https://secure.customvite.com/cvite/default.asp A Canary's-Eye View — Introduction Enzymes & Methylation Nutri-West Articles: HOMOCYSTEINE REDUX vs MSM ---------------------------------------------- One can order over internet many/most tests, if not directly available, send e-mail, ask for it. 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| The Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw® Life Extension News July 2004 Excess amounts of prolactin could also be a hazard because prolactin is known to play a major role in the growth of certain tissues (breast, prostate4). --------------------------------------------------------- June 1999 Le Magazine: In The News: Elevated Prolactin Linked To Breast Cancer LE Magazine June 1999 Late-breaking brief news items to life extensionists, as well as anyone interested in living a longer healthier life. In The News Elevated Prolactin Linked To Breast Cancer In last month's issue of Life Extension magazine, we repeated our recommendation that prostate cancer patients should have there prolactin blood levels checked, as excess amounts of this hormone can promote prostate cancer cell proliferation and prevent successful treatment. A new study indicates that high levels of prolactin predispose healthy women to an increased risk of breast cancer. Prolactin is produced by the pituitary gland and, along with other hormones, stimulates the growth of the mammary glands and the production of milk after childbirth. Postmenopausal women who had blood prolactin levels in the upper 25% of the reference range had about twice the risk of breast cancer compared with those in the lower 25% of the distribution, according to a report in the April 7th issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. The size of this association is similar to that observed between breast cancer and estrogen levels, report Dr. Susan E. Hankinson of Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, and colleagues. The study included 306 women who were healthy at the time blood samples were obtained, but went on to develop cancer. Those women were compared with 448 healthy women who did not develop cancer. This new analysis is part of the ongoing Nurses' Health Study, the largest ongoing study of women's health in human history. There are similarities to breast and prostate cancer cells, and prolactin seems to be a common growth factor in these two cancers. Based on the new report showing that women with high levels of prolactin have twice the risk of breast cancer, it would appear prudent for healthy women to lower their prolactin levels. Here are the standard laboratory reference ranges for blood prolactin levels: Female - Non-pregnant 2.8 to 29.2 ng/ml - Pregnant 9.7 to 208.5 ng/ml - Postmenopausal 1.8 to 20.3 ng/ml Male - 2.1 to 17.7 ng/ml Evidently, prolactin levels have a very wide range that conventional doctors would consider "normal." The problem is that few doctors are aware of the dangers of elevated prolactin, and if their healthy patients are in the high "normal" range, they would do nothing to treat this condition. A "normal" range often means a person has a "normal" risk for contracting a disease. Since members of The Life Extension Foundation don't want to have "normal" risk factors, here are some guidelines for those to follow who care about optimal health: Healthy Female - Non-pregnant - Prolactin level no higher than 7.3 ng/ml - Postmenopausal - Prolactin level no higher than 5.0 ng/ml Female - Breast Cancer Patient - Prolactin level no higher than 1.8 Male - Prostate Cancer Patient - Prolactin level no higher than 2.0 There are three FDA-approved drugs that suppress prolactin secretion. If a blood test reveals prolactin levels are elevated, ask your doctor to prescribe one of the following drugs: - Bromocriptine (2.5 mg one or more times a day) - Pergolide (.25 mg to .50 mg twice a day) - Dostinex (.5 mg twice a week) Check prolactin levels again in 30 days to make sure the drug you choose is suppressing prolactin release from the pituitary gland into the blood. Dostinex is the newest and cleanest drug to use. Dostinex has fewer side effects than the older drugs, is more effective in suppressing prolactin than the older drugs, and requires only twice a week dosing. It should be noted that Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw recommended bromocriptine as a prolactin suppressing agent back in 1982, and the FDA spent millions of taxpayer dollars keeping Americans from accessing this drug for the purpose of disease prevention. Since 1982, about 700,000 American women have died of breast cancer. ============================== ============================== ======= ============================== ============================== ======= Posted by cpeil2 http://anabolicminds.com/forum/921691-post6.html More info: pergolide has been voluntarily withdrawn from the market. Also re: Dostinex - the risk of valve disease is considerably lower in those taking to lower prolactin because the typical dose is much lower. ============================== == Yes, good news. The dose for pituitary problems is so much lower than for Parkinson's that the risk of heart problems appears negligible. Bromocriptine - There have been isolated reports of valve disease after long-term use for Parkinson's. Again, though, it appears that the risk is dose-related | |||
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| My little Adrenals study posted here: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/554378-post13.html =========================== Summary, when testing Adrenals ask for following Quest tests Sodium Potassium Cortisol not sure yet which one, so many tests but noted that AM/PM is not available from Nichols Institute, probably of low value. The VA location have 2,3,4,5,6 specimens, possibly those. http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...SearchString2= Aldosterone, LC/MS/MS, Serum http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title Aldosterone, 24-Hour Urine (19552X) - (7062N) http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title Aldosterone (LC/MS/MS)/Plasma Renin Activity Ratio - (11183Z) http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title Plasma Renin Activity (10537X) Code: 10537N http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title ============================== ============================== ============================== ==================== http://www.endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/p...on/addison.htm Addison's disease Causes Symptoms Diagnosis Other Tests Treatment Special Problems Patient Education For More Information ========================= ======== http://www.endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/info/index.htm Information About Endocrine and Metabolic Diseases Acromegaly Addison’s Disease Cushing’s Syndrome Cystic Fibrosis (from NHLBI) Endocrine and Metabolic Diseases Organizations Graves’ Disease Human Growth Hormone and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Hyperparathyroidism Hyperthyroidism Hypothyroidism Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Type 1 National Hormone and Pituitary Program: Information for People Treated with Human Growth Hormone (Comprehensive Report) National Hormone and Pituitary Program: Information for People Treated with Human Growth Hormone (Summary) Organizations, Directory of Pregnancy and Thyroid Disease Prolactinoma Turner Syndrome (from NHGRI) | |||
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as long as Prolactin is within range it should be ignored and not manipulated. If it is within range then: Prolactin have no known role in male. and that includes effects on sex. This message is copied to my diary as my current view on Prolactin. Thank you Dr John for your persistence thru many posts when holding your view on Prolactin. | |||||
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| What I have learned about TRT (under construction) When on TRT your goal is to keep your FreeT in upper range but not over it. FreeT tests are unreliable, possibly except at Quest Diagnostics and only the one that is on my list of blood tests, post #44 If you have that test available, look also at BAT level, keep it in upper range. Other choice (supposedly used by Dr Shippen) is to use a chart, post #41 On that chart desirable range is (160-250), 100 being really the lowest with any hope. FreeT level depends on Total Testosterone and SHBG and Albumin to some extent, we are not going to worry too much about Albumin. Total Testosterone depends on testicles production and Testosterone injections ( I consider transdermals as rather overly variable specially since many people have some or heavy thyroid problems) Testicles may be able to produce T (Secondary) or not (Primary) Testicles that are able to produce but do not have enough signal (LH, FSH) are induced to production by using HCG. Use of HCG while on T is always recomended because it keeps testicles full (otherwise they will shrink). Sometimes HCG may be used as sole TRT, but it rarely works. Ideal dose of HCG is 100-250iu daily, not practical. Someone who likes to keep their sperm fertile should probably use E2D, every two days schedule, 250iu-dose. If fertility is or is not at issue E3D schedule is also acceptable, every three days, 500iu-dose. Someone who is not able to get HCG should not worry too much, yes his testicles will shrink and stop any production. Testicles can be brought back to size latter on when HCG became available, not sure about fertility. When fertility is at issue (in the worst way), use daily (hcg-100iu and HMG-75iu) for three months to a year while trying to conceive. When there is a need for testosterone injections use cypionate or enanthate. Assuming that testcles are absent or adding (some) correction when indigenous production is known, preliminary dose of testosterone can be calculated when SHBG and last Total T is known. Use chart post #41, and table post #40 table gives weekly dose (XXX mg/week) that dose have to be converted to volume, cc or/and units (on insuline syringe) Density of testosterone need to be known. Most often 200mg/mL is used but also 100mg/mL is available. Weekly volume need to be converted to a volume for each shot for E2D or E3D routine of injections. I do not consider weekly or less often injections, specially for those with low SHBG since the TT variability is a frequent source of emotional stress. Example, calculate size of individual shot weekly dose 130mg 200mg/mL testosterone density E3D routine (130mg)/(200mg/mL)=0.65mL/week 0.65mL/week=0.65cc/week=65 units/week 65/7*3=27.9~28 units each shot E2D or E3D routines that is a lots of shots, specially when considering large needles that are customarily used. Also with large needles injections are very quick causing additional tissue damage and pain lasting sometime days. For this and other reasons I prefer SubQ shots around navel using smallest available needle. It takes 4 minutes to get the testosterone into syringe and then a minute to inject it in. I consider that time well spend, any sorenes last no more than 10 minutes after the shot. I curently use 5/16" long needle, but am considering change to 1/2" long since tiny bit of oil escapes after about every other shot. Not sure if it is worth the effort since going to 1/2"long needle would mean also going to thicker (39ga) needle. There are at least two suitable types of syringes available for purchase: http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code= BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95 and http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code= BD Pen Needle Short 31 Gauge 3/16inch 100/box Bottom line, E3D routine both T&hcg shots on same day, then two days free of shots -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While on TRT estrogens have to be monitored, all estrogens, as in blood test list post #44 I use LEF life Extension Foundation products DualAction 5 pills ( for cruciferous, I3C & DIM content) TMG 2 pills I also use Arimidex or actually the liquid version for ease of use. I use insuline syringe with cut off needle to get my dose. I use Arimidex on E3D schedule, same as my T&hcg for simplicity. I use 0.5cc=50units=1/2pill eact time, dosing must be verified by testing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do blood tests once/year per my list, post #44 also 2-4 tests thruout the year on as need basis. Full test is fully paid by my insurance (Medicare) when supported bt ICD-9 codes (provided in post #41) | |||
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| http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...tml#post991716 ============================== ============================== ============ I am posting this response here and on the thread where dr Delgado made his statement. Hopefully we will get some words from him. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/991716-post165.html http://anabolicminds.com/forum/991863-post166.html Quote:
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Rep Power: 0 | JansZ I noted that you take high dose Chrysin now via lef products. You jumped from 1 - 2 pills to 7 pills right in between BW? Take note that Chrysin might not be an effective form of T boosting or E control I have had discussions with Eric over at PP about this. They removed Chrysin and reworked Dermacrine Sustain - "Basically, we removed chrisin to make room for more resveratrol and 7,8 benzoflavone. Plus there is some research showing that high-doses of chrysin can inhibit the enzyme which converts Adione to Test (17HSD) so we removed it to make room for the more effective T boosters." Primordial Performance - Dermacrine, hormone precursors and estrogen reducers There is also another thread floating around here that has a MD backed study showing Resveratrol to be much more superior than chrysin for controlling E. I would dump the product your taking and just go for straight RSV. Check out this thread, pages 3 in specific Resveratrol really cheap I noted that you cannot go transdermal form, so look for revgentics which sells massive doses of RSV, specifically the X500. 500mg pure RSV. Cut pill in half |
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I stopped using Chrysin over two moths ago. Looking at my April's test, I came to conclussion that I should reduce pressure on my SHBG. Specially that I am aiming at TotalT~(1100-1200) and FreeT~300 per Nick Delgado rather than previous FreeT~250 per dr Shippen. There is two SHBG positions on that test, 20 and 24. I was getting Chrysin from LEF's Super MiraForte with Maximum Strength Chrysin Super Miraforte With Max Strength Chrysin, 120 Caps that product contains Nettle (Urtica dioica) which lowers SHBG. I also take 200mg resveratrol, separately, this is on top of resveratrol that I am getting with DualAction. When I changed from Tcream to Deopo-Testosterone shots on june 19/2007 I added Liquidex 0.5cc with each shot, I use E3D schedule. ===================== I had doctor visit tonight. I will be doing Metabolic Analysis Profile. Genova Diagnostics I have seen (partial) results from my last blood test. Pregnenolone is on the bottom of range I am increasing from 1gram to 2 grams preg cream DHEAs is below range, I will start using DHEA again, probably 100mg Do not know what to think (could use help) about my (blood serum) Aldosterone=1.0ng/dL(<or=28) In April it was=4 Quest Diagnostics: Test Menu I thought that Aldosterone should be in high teens or even 20's Should I reduce salt, increase Potassium, what to do??? Lately I use more salt then I used to use in my life (taste good, not sure if I need the salt). ---- Note on Quest web site. Because serum aldosterone concentrations vary due to dietary sodium intake and body position, some physicians prefer measurement of 24-hour urine concentrations for aldosterone. | ||||
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