Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    phil also has hypopititaury that is also being finally treated properly with all hormones inclusing aldosterone which does effect estrogen metabolism in some way but have not found out how but it really will tank ones e2

    120 mgs a week put me at trough at 1111 TT but bio T was only mid way ? and that was on a 2 week split m,th 60 mgs with 250 ius hcg day before the shot. Blood was drwn on monday morning before shot and i was on .5 mgs armidex on day of shot but quest did the wrong test for e2 and royally set me back almost 2 months because of it..Now on stable test E at 42.5 mgs every 3 days with 250 ius of hcg with .5 mgs armidex on day of the shot to help bring down the e2 levels of 73 will retest in 4 weeks
    e2, dht, biotest, TT, homocysteine, Lp(a), ft4, ft3, copper, ferritin, CBC, CMP
    It is complex proposition, but if TT=1111 have given you BioT only in the middle range I would probably stay at that T level and try to straighten up my act in other areas.

    It is very important to have steady routine and not to get screwed by laboratory.
    For my next test I will go to Quest lab, script in hand and have them prepare paperwork first.
    I did that first time and they let me check the tests that they were going to do.
    I still missed pregnenolone and double Testosterone, but that was realy my fault, one can say.
    Unfortunately with large tests there is big chance for screw-ups.


  2. Nails,
    You are 25 to 30 something with testicals that still produce T. JansZ is older with testicals that probably produce nothing.

    It is very very likely he will need more T than you to end up in upper range.

    hCG in people with responding testes, healthy young leydig cells will crank up T 200 points(Like in you)

    JansZ testicals are probably permanently shutdown, leydig cells in testes will become basically 'dead" from having years of no response/use, desensitized. hCG still benefit though because balls will swell up, prevent scrotum from tightening up, for looks as well.

    I have read stuff that hCG will boost mood, blood flow of genital area even if testicals do not work anymore.

    There is new cutting edge work now that has shown hCG is a very very potent fat burner and metabolism booster. Exact sceince of such is still unknown.

    hMG is the new guy on the block. It is basically FSH(follicle stimulating hormone). It combined with hCG(basically LH) and becomes a deadly, potent one-two punch. It will be the new wave, in future everyone will inject hCG and hMG in conjunction. Some are already on bandwagon. hCG and hMG is also the newest and improved way to restard HTPA axis.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    It is complex proposition, but if TT=1111 have given you BioT only in the middle range I would probably stay at that T level and try to straighten up my act in other areas.

    It is very important to have steady routine and not to get screwed by laboratory.
    For my next test I will go to Quest lab, script in hand and have them prepare paperwork first.
    I did that first time and they let me check the tests that they were going to do.
    I still missed pregnenolone and double Testosterone, but that was realy my fault, one can say.
    Unfortunately with large tests there is big chance for screw-ups.
    ACtually by lowering the dosage T will most likely not convert to e2 as much and also give my receptors rest. If i can reduce my medicines such as armidex and increase bioavailable testosterone. i think it will be just easier to reduce the TT and the dht and e2 should come down considerable rather then throwing in more medicines to comepnsate for it..

  4. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Nails,
    You are 25 to 30 something with testicals that still produce T. JansZ is older with testicals that probably produce nothing.

    It is very very likely he will need more T than you to end up in upper range.

    hCG in people with responding testes, healthy young leydig cells will crank up T 200 points(Like in you)

    JansZ testicals are probably permanently shutdown, leydig cells in testes will become basically 'dead" from having years of no response/use, desensitized. hCG still benefit though because balls will swell up, prevent scrotum from tightening up, for looks as well.

    I have read stuff that hCG will boost mood, blood flow of genital area even if testicals do not work anymore.

    There is new cutting edge work now that has shown hCG is a very very potent fat burner and metabolism booster. Exact sceince of such is still unknown.

    hMG is the new guy on the block. It is basically FSH(follicle stimulating hormone). It combined with hCG(basically LH) and becomes a deadly, potent one-two punch. It will be the new wave, in future everyone will inject hCG and hMG in conjunction. Some are already on bandwagon. hCG and hMG is also the newest and improved way to restard HTPA axis.
    Research, and reports of people who used it would help.
    It would have to be from somebody who did not cared for fertility but cared primarily for health and happy love making.
    .

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Research, and reports of people who used it would help.
    It would have to be from somebody who did not cared for fertility but cared primarily for health and happy love making.
    .
    JansZ,

    Im on it, but remember, hMG and hCG in conjunction for HRT is probably only being used by a few hundred people at best right now, probably all within the last year. this is very very new territory
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    JansZ,

    Im on it, but remember, hMG and hCG in conjunction for HRT is probably only being used by a few hundred people at best right now, probably all within the last year. this is very very new territory
    Well, thanks for being open about.
    But now few questions.

    Have you been on HCG alone for enough time to be able feel difference if any when you added HMG?

    What is that difference?

    What brand of HMG that you are using, dose, frequency

    There is HCG, HMG and FSH, have you considered using all three?

    How much it cost?

    Where to buy to get good price?

    I can get script if I really am convinced of the benefits, so do not hold back.

    Why are you using HMG, are you trying to get her pregnant or for personal fulfilment?
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    Wish you luck
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    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/536457-post31.html

    In this post, on the bottom, there is a link to a table that shows different brands of
    FSH
    HCG
    HMG

  7. What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US?
    Question:
    What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? I have heard of quite a few different injectible drugs you can use (i.e., Pergonal, HMG, Humegon, etc) and want to know if there is a drug that is cheaper than the others and also is it effective?


    Answer:
    - FSH/LH drugs (HMG): Repronex is cheapest in most places, Humegon next, then Pergonal is much more costly. They are all basically the same. FSH: Only Fertinex to choose from. RhFSH: Follistim is cheaper than Gonal-F in most places. Repronex or Humegon are probably the cheapest injectible meds you can get ahold of right now. - And repronex works, trust me. That's what I'm using. Now if we can just get those darn sperm to swim in the right direction...




    Gonal -F® 75 IU
    (Serono Europe Pack) $48.50

    Gonal -F® 900 IU PEN
    (Serono Europe Pack) $580.00

    Follistim® (Puregon®) 300 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $172.50

    Follistim® (Puregon®) 600 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $345.00

    Repronex®(Menopur®) 75 IU
    (Ferring Europe Pack) $34.00

    HMG (Generic Repronex®) 75 IU
    (Generic Europe Pack) $12.75


    Fostimon® (Gen. Bravelle®) 75 IU
    (IBSA Europe Pack) $28.00

    HCG (Pregnyl®) 10,000 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $25.00


    Lupron® - 14 day, 2.8 ml
    (Abbott Europe Pack) $170.00

    Synarel® Spray (0.2 mg/0.5ml)
    (Pharmacia Europe Pack) $190.00

    Antagon®(Orgalutran®) .25 mg/.5 ml
    (Organon Europe Pack) $57.00

    Cetrotide® 0.25 mg
    (Serono Europe Pack) $60.00

    Ovidrel® (Ovitrelle®) (250 mcg)
    (Serono Europe Pack) $58.00

    Clomid® 50 mg (each)
    (Aventis Europe Pack) $1.50
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    Bravelle™ 75 International Units Vial
    Cetrotide® .25mg prefilled syringe
    Cetrotide® 3mg prefilled syringe
    Clomiphene Citrate 50mg Tabs
    Crinone Gel 8% Vaginal Applicators
    Fertile One vitamin supplement 120 Tablets
    Follistim® AQ 300 International Units, 600 International Units and 900 International Units Cartridge
    75 International Units and 150 International Units Vial
    Ganirelix (formerly Antagon) 250mcg Syringe
    Gonal - F® 450 International Units Multi Dose Vial
    Gonal - F® RFF 75 International Units Vial
    Gonal - F® RFF Pen 300, 450 and 900
    HCG 10,000 International Units Vial
    IVIG Varies
    Lupron® 2 Week Kit
    Leuprolide Acetate 2 Week Kit
    Luveris® 75 International Units Vial
    Menopur® 75 International Units Vial
    Novarel™ 10,000 International Units Vial
    Ovidrel® 250mcg Prefilled Syringe
    Progesterone in Oil 50 mg/ml Vial
    10ml Vial
    Repronex® 75 International Units Vial

  8. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz
    What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US?
    Question:
    What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? I have heard of quite a few different injectible drugs you can use (i.e., Pergonal, HMG, Humegon, etc) and want to know if there is a drug that is cheaper than the others and also is it effective?


    Answer:
    - FSH/LH drugs (HMG): Repronex is cheapest in most places, Humegon next, then Pergonal is much more costly. They are all basically the same. FSH: Only Fertinex to choose from. RhFSH: Follistim is cheaper than Gonal-F in most places. Repronex or Humegon are probably the cheapest injectible meds you can get ahold of right now. - And repronex works, trust me. That's what I'm using. Now if we can just get those darn sperm to swim in the right direction...
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    Gonal -F® 75 IU
    (Serono Europe Pack) $48.50

    Gonal -F® 900 IU PEN
    (Serono Europe Pack) $580.00

    Follistim® (Puregon®) 300 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $172.50

    Follistim® (Puregon®) 600 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $345.00

    Repronex®(Menopur®) 75 IU
    (Ferring Europe Pack) $34.00

    HMG (Generic Repronex®) 75 IU
    (Generic Europe Pack) $12.75


    Fostimon® (Gen. Bravelle®) 75 IU
    (IBSA Europe Pack) $28.00

    HCG (Pregnyl®) 10,000 IU
    (Organon Europe Pack) $25.00


    Lupron® - 14 day, 2.8 ml
    (Abbott Europe Pack) $170.00

    Synarel® Spray (0.2 mg/0.5ml)
    (Pharmacia Europe Pack) $190.00

    Antagon®(Orgalutran®) .25 mg/.5 ml
    (Organon Europe Pack) $57.00

    Cetrotide® 0.25 mg
    (Serono Europe Pack) $60.00

    Ovidrel® (Ovitrelle®) (250 mcg)
    (Serono Europe Pack) $58.00

    Clomid® 50 mg (each)
    (Aventis Europe Pack) $1.50

    I tihnk you are not allowed to post that

  9. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I tihnk you are not allowed to post that
    One need script to buy from that place.
    I posted to get ball park prices and names.

  10. Using my study above using RoidCalculator, I note that on weekly injection test blood level are half on minimum of what they are at the max.
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    Using this study, I know T levels at the minimum. Blood drawn on the day of weekly shot right before the shot.

    AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 Table 2

    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism

    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism

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    My analysis is shown on the attached chart, also bottom line results are below. Variation= ±75 should be added when reading the table.
    Also remember that in the study endogenous testosterone was blocked, testis were not producing T during study.

    DepoT TotalT SHBG FreeT SHBG FreeT
    25 353 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    30 381 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    35 410 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    40 438 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    45 466 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    50 494 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    55 522 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    60 551 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    65 579 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    70 607 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    75 635 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    80 663 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    85 692 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    90 720 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    95 748 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    100 776 xx5 300 14.4 250
    105 805 xx7 300 16.5 250
    110 833 xx9 300 18.6 250
    115 861 10.8 300 20.7 250
    120 889 xx13 300 xx23 250
    125 917 xx15 300 xx25 250
    130 946 16.7 300 x27.3 250
    135 974 18.7 300 x29.4 250
    140 1002 xx21 300 x31.5 250
    145 1030 22.6 300 x33.5 250
    150 1058 24.5 300 x35.6 250
    155 1087 26.4 300 xx38 250
    160 1115 28.4 300 xx40 250
    165 1143 30.4 300 x42.2 250
    170 1171 32.3 300 x44.4 250
    175 1199 34.3 300 x46.3 250
    180 1228 36.3 300 x48.5 250
    185 1256 38.2 300 x50.7 250
    190 1284 xx40 300 x52.8 250
    195 1312 xxxx 300 xx55 250
    200 1340 xx44 300 xx57 250
    205 1369 xxxx 300 x59.3 250
    210 1397 xx48 300 x61.5 250
    215 1425 xxxx 300 x63.4 250
    220 1453 51.7 300 xxxx 250
    225 1481 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    230 1510 55.6 300 xxxx 250
    235 1538 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    240 1566 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    245 1594 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    250 1622 63.5 300 xxxx 250
    255 1651 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    260 1679 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    265 1707 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    270 1735 71.0 300 xxxx 250
    275 1763 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    280 1792 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    285 1820 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    290 1848 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    295 1876 xxxx 300 xxxx 250
    300 1904 83.0 300 99.9 250
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    Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator
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    Unit conversion
    Conventional units - SI units

    Chemistry Conversion

    Unit Prefix Conversion Calculator
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    http://www.vin.com/calculators/ChemConvRules.htm

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    SI Units for Clinical Data

    very big tabeConversion:

    to convert from the conventional unit to the SI unit, multiply by the conversion factor;
    to convert from the SI unit to the conventional unit, divide by the conversion factor.

    Estradiol pg/mL 3.671 pmol/L(30pg/mL * 3.671)=110.13pmol/L
    Estriol ng/mL 3.467 nmol/L
    Estrone ng/dL 37 pmoI/L
    Testosterone ng/dL 0.0347 nmol/L(700ng/dL * 0.0347)=24.9nmol/L
    DHEA ng/dL 0.0347 nmol/L
    DHEA Sulfate μg/dL 0.0271 μmol/L
    DHEAs 100 mcg/dL=100 µg/dL= 2.71µmol/L= 2.71umol/L
    DHEAs 500mcg/dL=500µg/dL=13.55µmol/L=13.55umol/L
    DHEAs 640mcg/dL=17.34µmol/L=17.34umol/L
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    http://www.qcnet.com/Portals/50/PDFs...mmunoassay.pdf
    DHEA-S μmol/L/0.02714 ⇒μg/dL
    DHEA-S μmol/L ⇒0.02714μg/dL

    0.02714
    275 μg/dL = 7.4635 μmol/L
    400 μg/dL = 10.856 μmol/L
    520 μg/dL = 14.1128 μmol/L
    640 μg/dL = 17.3696 μmol/L
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    Desirable DHEAs levels

    Women (275-400) μg/dL
    Men (520-640) μg/dL
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    Pregnanediol (urine) mg/24h 3.12 µmoI/d
    Pregnanetriol (urine) mg/24 h 2.97 µmol/d
    Progesterone ng/mL 3.18 nmol/L
    1 nmol/L of Progesterone converts to 0.31 ng/mL




    http://www.vin.com/calculators/default.htm

    http://www.vin.com/calculators/ChemConvRules.htmChemConvRules<----------------big list

    http://www.questdiagnostics.com/hcp/...EndoManual.pdf
    mcg is a casual way of writing microgram. The correct symbol is µg, and there are 1000µg in 1 milligram


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    http://books.google.com/books?id=Ylb...page&q&f=false


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  11. Dr Shippen Chart


    Link to (TT, SHBG, FreeT) chart
    http://www.andropause.org.uk/nomo_tas.pdf

    The Andropause Society Home


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    Dr Shippen Chart

    Testosterone Conversion Factor: pg/ml x 3.47 = pMol/L

    Androgen deficiency in the adult ... - Google Books

    Androgen Deficiency in the Adult ... - Google Book Search

    This chart is from a book (second page from the top):

    Androgen Defficiency in the
    Adult Male
    causes, diagnosis and treatment
    by
    Malcom Carruthers

    printed by Taylor and Princes Group

    search on keyword
    nomogram androgen deficiency carruthers
    Attached Images Attached Images     

  12. Interesting....i applied my last two tests - used my shgb and TT and used this to calculate FreeT, and this chart resulted in almost 2x the Free t compared to my Quest results.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AnotherOldGuy View Post
    Interesting....i applied my last two tests - used my shgb and TT and used this to calculate FreeT, and this chart resulted in almost 2x the Free t compared to my Quest results.
    I am not surprised.
    Was your FreeT assayed or calculated by Quest.
    There is at least two ways (probably more) to get number that is called FreeT.
    FreeT and BioAvailableT tests are notoriously inaccurate (grossly, over 200%).
    The chart is a fall-back way out of this confusion.
    Dr Shippen uses this chart (if that would help getting some confidence).

    The chart is 1999 vintage, made based on science of about 1990.
    To my knowledge there are at least two items that greatly influence results in rather uncontrolable ways;
    recently discovered duality of SHBG
    and
    fact that age of person being tested influences results.

    Wish Dr John had a time to discuss this issue.


    AnotherOldGuy, hopefully this issue will bother you enough so you will dig deeper, if you find anything helpfull and relevant please post it right here or open new thread.
    Not sure yet, but I think older guys are infueced more by this than younger whipper snappers.

    In this post
    Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Attention all those on Sub-q injections

    I have made attempt at calculating FreeT using internet provided calculator.
    Since results come widely scattered I no longer have confidence using it.

    age-associated Bio-T
    age-associated Bio-T

  14. My list for blood testing, long, for once/year testing.
    Latter will add shorter list, for 2-3/year corrective action, tweaks.
    Below are my ICD-9 codes that helps with insurance.

    Also place to buy syringes for Testosterone and HCG.
    (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request)
    Print from here down to the next blue text.
    This list is meant to be done at LabCorp.com

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    1 --------- Comprehensive Metabolic Panel w/EGFR
    2 --------- CBC w/ diff/PLT
    3 --------- VAP TM Cholesterol Test
    4 --------- Selenium, Whole Blood
    5 --------- Copper, serum
    6 --------- Zinc
    7 --------- Magnesium, RBC
    8 --------- Potassium, RBC
    9 --------- C-Reactive Protein (CRP), Highly Sensitive, CSF
    10 --------- Fibrinogen
    11 --------- Homocysteine, cardio
    12 --------- Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A)
    13 --------- Iron and Iron Binding Capacity
    14 --------- Iron, Total
    15 --------- Ferritin
    16 --------- Transferrin
    17 --------- Folate, RBC & Hematocrit
    18 --------- Hemoglobin A1c
    19 --------- Hemoglobin, Plasma
    20 --------- VITAMIN A, E, B3, B12
    21 --------- Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy
    22 --------- T3, Total
    23 --------- T4, Total
    24 --------- T3, Free
    25 --------- T4,Free
    26 --------- T3, Reverse
    27 --------- Ultrasensitive TSH
    28 --------- Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies
    29 --------- Thyroglobulin
    30 --------- Thyroxine-binding globulin
    31 --------- Insulin, serum
    32 --------- IGF Binding protein-3
    33 --------- IGF-1
    34 --------- DHEA Sulfate
    35 --------- Aldosterone
    36 --------- Renin Activity, Plasma
    37 --------- ACTH, Plasma
    38 --------- Cortisol Binding Globulin (Transcortin)
    39 --------- 7:30AM/12PM/3:30PM---Cortisol, Free and Total
    40 --------- Prolactin
    41 --------- Progesterone
    42 --------- Pregnenolone
    43 --------- Androstenedione
    44 --------- Estradiol, sensitive 140244 (3-70)
    45 --------- Estrone, Serum
    46 --------- Total Testosterone
    47 --------- SHBG
    48 --------- Albumin
    49 --------- Dihydrotestosterone
    50 --------- 3a-Androstanediol Glucuronide
    51 --------- Ceruloplasmin
    52 --------- Coenzyme Q10
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    244.9 ----- 257.2 ----- 780.79
    250.00 ----- 272.4 ----- 788.41
    250.01 ----- 601.9 ----- 253.3
    255.4 ----- 780.4 ----- 255.8
    783.9 -----
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    End of list =========see another lis of ICD-9 codes on the bottom of this post ======
    (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request)

    ICD9Data.com - Free 2007 ICD-9-CM Medical Coding Database

    244.9 Unspecified acquired hypothyroidism
    250.00 Diabetes mellitus without complication type ii or unspecified type not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.00 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type Ii Or Unspecified Type Not Stated As Uncontrolled
    250.01 Diabetes mellitus without complication type i not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.01 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type I Not Stated As Uncontrolled
    255.4 Corticoadrenal insufficiency 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.4 - Corticoadrenal Insufficiency
    783.9 Other symptoms concerning nutrition metabolism and development 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 783.9 - Other Symptoms Concerning Nutrition Metabolism And Development
    257.2 Other testicular hypofunction 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 257.2 - Other Testicular Hypofunction
    272.4 Other and unspecified hyperlipidemia 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 272.* - Disorders of lipoid metabolism
    601.9 Prostatitis unspecified 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 601.* - Inflammatory diseases of prostate
    780.4 Dizziness and giddiness 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.4 - Dizziness And Giddiness
    780.79 Other malaise and fatigue 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.79 - Other Malaise And Fatigue
    788.41 Urinary frequency 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 788.41 - Urinary Frequency
    253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency
    255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands

    Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Adrenal fatigue, does it really exist?
    255 Disorders of adrenal glands
    For coding adrenal fatigue, I just use the code for Other Specified Disorders of the Adrenal Glands - which I call Adrenal Fatigue
    255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands
    HGH and Insurance Coverage
    Dr. John 12-17-2006, 06:25 AM
    ICD-9 253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency
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    Spectracell codes
    244.90 Unspecified acquired hypothyroidism
    264.00 Vitamin a deficiency
    268.00 Vitamin d deficiency
    269.90 Unspecified nutritional deficiency
    780.79 Other malaise and fatigue
    799.81 Decreased libido
    ------->add something for lipids

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    EstroEssence

    that I send for on Monday Oct1/2007 had the following
    ICD-9 codes
    600.0
    606.1
    257.2
    253.4

    Genova Diagnostics EstroEssence

    The EstroEssence check the following 11 (eleven) indicators:

    Estrone (24hr urine)Male 3.00-12.00 mcg/24 hr
    Estradiol (24hr urine)Male1.50-6.00 mcg/24 hr
    Estriol (24hr urine)Male 3.00-28.50 mcg/24 hr

    2-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.26-13.68 mcg/24 hr
    2-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.34-9.03 mcg/24 hr
    16α-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.25-7.89 mcg/24 hr
    4-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.33-1.95 mcg/24 hr
    4-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.40 0.20-1.60 mcg/24 hr
    2-Hydroxyestrone/16α-Hydroxestrone Ratio (24hr urine)0.94-1.56 Ratio
    2-Methoxyestrone/2-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.11-4.00 Ratio
    4-Methoxyestrone /4-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.18-3.60 Ratio
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    The Metabolic profile that I send for on Monday Oct1/2007 had the following
    ICD-9 codes
    536.8
    579.8
    558.3
    783.2
    009.1
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    Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis (HTMA)
    Hair Analysis

    At Genova they need 1" of hair from the back of head,
    approx 2 months growth,
    last 2 weeks wash hair with Johnson baby shampoo.
    Today I go to Kim for haircut, 11/16/2007, last time I had hair colored Oct12/2007
    Use stainless steel scissors
    500 milligrams has been recommended.
    minimum sample of 250 milligrams (0.25 g) for analysis
    Genova Diagnostics - Home
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    Assessment Categories
    GDX Laboratory Assessment Categories
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    EstroEssence --(Cost $384.99 out of pocket $27.49)-- Genova Diagnostics EstroEssence

    EstroEssence Complete (24hr) this is the one to do next
    Check differences on taking samples NutrEval and NutrEval-NEW, want the one with 24 hr urine if there is such


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    JanSz-Metabolic Analysis and Cellular Energy

    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    Magnesium, how to increase

    Endocrinological charts
    Endocrinological charts

    Bill for my blood test at Quest

    Perfect way of finding right doctor

    Jansz - more infor on methy estrone imbalnace

    GLA but AA below range

    Quality supplements (Wise Guy et alii)

    -------http://mus--clecha---troom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395&page=2

    Symptoms, Diseases and Diagnosis - WrongDiagnosis.com

    Example of logic algoritm when using Genova tests
    Genova Diagnostics - Anti-Aging Digest

    possible underlying causes and contributing factors
    GDX Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)

    Comprehensive Nutritional Assessment
    nutritional supplement program customized to individual requirements
    https://secure.customvite.com/cvite/default.asp

    A Canary's-Eye View — Introduction

    Enzymes & Methylation
    Nutri-West Articles: HOMOCYSTEINE REDUX vs MSM
    ----------------------------------------------
    One can order over internet many/most tests, if not directly available, send e-mail, ask for it.

    Welcome to Integrative Psychiatry Mental Health Testing and Treatment

    Also interpretation of tests and some follow up actions can be discussed over telephone:
    15 minutes $45
    30 minutes $75
    Telephone Consultation
    .
    .

    Use the A4M's directory to search for anti-aging physicians, clinics, spas and products.
    Anti-Aging Physicians, Clinics & Products - WorldHealth.net


    ====================
    Quote Originally Posted by Investmentbanker View Post
    Jan, where do I go to do this? If it is an imbalance will the test results suggest what I do to correct it? Thank you for your help.
    Please do not use full name of GD labs.
    Dr John in the past was objecting.
    He does not object to discussion on health topics that the cover.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    On e-mail request include your zip code and ask for 25 or 50 miles radius, they will send you a list of doctors that have accounts with them.
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Essential & Metabolic Fatty Acids Analysis (EMFA)

    http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/ind...&nav=doc&id=47

    Sample Report:
    http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/fil...MFA_report.pdf

    Interpretation Guide;
    http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/fil...nterpGuide.pdf

    /
    ============================== ============================== ====
    Matrix journal

    Explanation of codes posted by HAN.
    have it with you always when in doctor's office.

    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    244.9 ========== Unspecified acquired hypothyroidism
    250.0 ========== Diabetes mellitus without mention of complication
    253.2 ========== Panhypopituitarism
    255.5 ========== Other adrenal hypofunction
    257.0 ========== Testicular hyperfunction
    259.9 ========== Unspecified endocrine disorder
    272.0 ========== Pure hypercholesterolemia
    275.1 ========== Disorders of copper metabolism
    440.0 ========== Atherosclerosis
    600.0 ========== Hyperplasia of prostate
    611.1 ========== Hypertrophy of breast
    799.81 ========== Decreased libido

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=116624451
    ============================== ====================

    http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1/default.htm
    Unspecified acquired hypothyroidism ========== 244.9 ========== Unspecified acquired hypothyroidism
    Diabetes mellitus without mention of complication ========== 250,0 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../250/250.0.htm
    Panhypopituitarism ========== 253.2 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../253/253.2.htm
    Other adrenal hypofunction ========== 255.5 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../255/255.5.htm
    Testicular hyperfunction ========== 257 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../257/257.0.htm
    Unspecified endocrine disorder ========== 259.9 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../259/259.9.htm
    Pure hypercholesterolemia ========== 272 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../272/272.0.htm
    Disorders of copper metabolism ========== 275.1 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../275/275.1.htm
    Atherosclerosis ========== 440 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1...48/440/440.htm
    Hyperplasia of prostate ========== 600 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1...08/600/600.htm
    Hypertrophy of breast ========== 611.1 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1.../611/611.1.htm
    Decreased libido ========== 799.81 ========== http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1...799/799.81.htm

    =======================
    When ordering HCG

    ICD-9 608.3 Atrophy of testis
    Of note, it is also cleared for treatment of secondary hypogonadism.
    http://musc lechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78139&postcount =222
    =========================

  15. Hardasnails notes of dr Marianco's posts.
    first posted here:
    Avoiding excess conversion of testosterone into estradiol during testosterone treatme
    .
    .
    Attached Files Attached Files

  16. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Hardasnails notes of dr Marianco's posts.
    first posted here:
    Avoiding excess conversion of testosterone into estradiol during testosterone treatme
    .
    .
    This should be a sticky !!

  17. The Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw® Life Extension News July 2004

    Excess amounts of prolactin could also be a hazard because prolactin is known to play a major role in the growth of certain tissues (breast, prostate4).


    ---------------------------------------------------------
    June 1999 Le Magazine: In The News: Elevated Prolactin Linked To Breast Cancer




    LE Magazine June 1999
    Late-breaking brief news items to life extensionists, as well as anyone interested in living a longer healthier life.

    In The News


    Elevated Prolactin Linked
    To Breast Cancer


    In last month's issue of Life Extension magazine, we repeated our recommendation that prostate cancer patients should have there prolactin blood levels checked, as excess amounts of this hormone can promote prostate cancer cell proliferation and prevent successful treatment.

    A new study indicates that high levels of prolactin predispose healthy women to an increased risk of breast cancer. Prolactin is produced by the pituitary gland and, along with other hormones, stimulates the growth of the mammary glands and the production of milk after childbirth.

    Postmenopausal women who had blood prolactin levels in the upper 25% of the reference range had about twice the risk of breast cancer compared with those in the lower 25% of the distribution, according to a report in the April 7th issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

    The size of this association is similar to that observed between breast cancer and estrogen levels, report Dr. Susan E. Hankinson of Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, and colleagues. The study included 306 women who were healthy at the time blood samples were obtained, but went on to develop cancer. Those women were compared with 448 healthy women who did not develop cancer. This new analysis is part of the ongoing Nurses' Health Study, the largest ongoing study of women's health in human history.

    There are similarities to breast and prostate cancer cells, and prolactin seems to be a common growth factor in these two cancers. Based on the new report showing that women with high levels of prolactin have twice the risk of breast cancer, it would appear prudent for healthy women to lower their prolactin levels. Here are the standard laboratory reference ranges for blood prolactin levels:

    Female
    - Non-pregnant 2.8 to 29.2 ng/ml
    - Pregnant 9.7 to 208.5 ng/ml
    - Postmenopausal 1.8 to 20.3 ng/ml

    Male
    - 2.1 to 17.7 ng/ml

    Evidently, prolactin levels have a very wide range that conventional doctors would consider "normal." The problem is that few doctors are aware of the dangers of elevated prolactin, and if their healthy patients are in the high "normal" range, they would do nothing to treat this condition. A "normal" range often means a person has a "normal" risk for contracting a disease. Since members of The Life Extension Foundation don't want to have "normal" risk factors, here are some guidelines for those to follow who care about optimal health:

    Healthy Female
    - Non-pregnant - Prolactin level no higher than 7.3 ng/ml
    - Postmenopausal - Prolactin level no higher than 5.0 ng/ml

    Female - Breast Cancer Patient
    - Prolactin level no higher than 1.8


    Male - Prostate Cancer Patient
    - Prolactin level no higher than 2.0
    There are three FDA-approved drugs that suppress prolactin secretion. If a blood test reveals prolactin levels are elevated, ask your doctor to prescribe one of the following drugs:

    - Bromocriptine (2.5 mg one or more times a day)
    - Pergolide (.25 mg to .50 mg twice a day)
    - Dostinex (.5 mg twice a week)

    Check prolactin levels again in 30 days to make sure the drug you choose is suppressing prolactin release from the pituitary gland into the blood.

    Dostinex is the newest and cleanest drug to use. Dostinex has fewer side effects than the older drugs, is more effective in suppressing prolactin than the older drugs, and requires only twice a week dosing. It should be noted that Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw recommended bromocriptine as a prolactin suppressing agent back in 1982, and the FDA spent millions of taxpayer dollars keeping Americans from accessing this drug for the purpose of disease prevention. Since 1982, about 700,000 American women have died of breast cancer.
    ============================== ============================== =======
    ============================== ============================== =======
    Posted by cpeil2
    Lab Results In, Need Help

    More info: pergolide has been voluntarily withdrawn from the market.


    Also re: Dostinex - the risk of valve disease is considerably lower in those taking to lower prolactin because the typical dose is much lower.
    ============================== ==

    Yes, good news. The dose for pituitary problems is so much lower than for Parkinson's that the risk of heart problems appears negligible.


    Bromocriptine - There have been isolated reports of valve disease after long-term use for Parkinson's. Again, though, it appears that the risk is dose-related

  18. according to shippens chart my free t was 80 or 275ish...what would that be...good, bad???

    phats

  19. Quote Originally Posted by phatkid77 View Post
    according to shippens chart my free t was 80 or 275ish...what would that be...good, bad???

    phats
    Post SHBG, specify units
    Post TotalT, specify units

  20. shbg 28nmol
    total t-11.4 nmol/L

  21. My little Adrenals study posted here:

    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/554378-post13.html

    ===========================
    Summary,
    when testing Adrenals ask for following Quest tests

    Sodium
    Potassium
    Cortisol not sure yet which one, so many tests but noted that AM/PM is not available from Nichols Institute, probably of low value.
    The VA location have 2,3,4,5,6 specimens, possibly those.
    http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title

    http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...SearchString2=

    Aldosterone, LC/MS/MS, Serum http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title
    Aldosterone, 24-Hour Urine (19552X) - (7062N) http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title
    Aldosterone (LC/MS/MS)/Plasma Renin Activity Ratio - (11183Z) http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title
    Plasma Renin Activity (10537X) Code: 10537N http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scr...&tmradio=title
    ============================== ============================== ============================== ====================
    http://www.endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/p...on/addison.htm
    Addison's disease
    Causes
    Symptoms
    Diagnosis
    Other Tests
    Treatment
    Special Problems
    Patient Education
    For More Information
    =========================
    ========
    http://www.endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/info/index.htm

    Information About Endocrine and Metabolic Diseases
    Acromegaly
    Addison’s Disease
    Cushing’s Syndrome
    Cystic Fibrosis (from NHLBI)
    Endocrine and Metabolic Diseases Organizations
    Graves’ Disease
    Human Growth Hormone and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease
    Hyperparathyroidism
    Hyperthyroidism
    Hypothyroidism
    Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Type 1
    National Hormone and Pituitary Program: Information for People Treated with Human Growth Hormone (Comprehensive Report)
    National Hormone and Pituitary Program: Information for People Treated with Human Growth Hormone (Summary)
    Organizations, Directory of
    Pregnancy and Thyroid Disease
    Prolactinoma
    Turner Syndrome (from NHGRI)

  22. Copied from:
    What is considered high levels of prolactin?

    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Prolactin secretion is stimulated by sleep, stress (physical and emotional), and the hypothalmic hormone (TRH). Prolactin secretion is decreased by dopamine analogs such as bromocriptine.
    Hypersecretion of prolactin can be caused by pituitary tumors, hypothalmic disease, breast or chest wall stimulation, hypothyroidism, renal failure, acute excercise, stress, eating, and several medications(eg; pheno-thiazines, metoclopramide). Hyper-prolactinemia inhibits gonadothropin secretion and can produce hypogonadism in men and women with accompanying low or inapropriedly "low normal" LH and FSH levels.

    Quest Diagnostics
    EndoManual_3rdEd_2004 page 311

    Prolactin have no known role in male. page 205


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Eating, or having sex, can bring PRL to 30. Did you eat within two hours of the draw? How does midrange PRL look now?

    PRL of 300 (!) is pathognomic of a pituitary tumor.

    I hope this FINALLY gives you guys some perspective. Some of this stuff gets just plain silly: manipulating hormones for no reason whatsoever, when they are well within healthy level. Any time you alter a hormone, you are asking for trouble. THAT is how Interventional Endocrinology should be viewed.
    My take home message:
    as long as Prolactin is within range it should be ignored and not manipulated.

    If it is within range then: Prolactin have no known role in male. and that includes effects on sex.

    This message is copied to my diary as my current view on Prolactin.

    Thank you Dr John for your persistence thru many posts when holding your view on Prolactin.

  23. What I have learned about TRT (under construction)

    When on TRT your goal is to keep your FreeT in upper range but not over it.
    FreeT tests are unreliable, possibly except at Quest Diagnostics and only the one that is on my list of blood tests, post #44
    If you have that test available, look also at BAT level, keep it in upper range.

    Other choice (supposedly used by Dr Shippen) is to use a chart, post #41
    On that chart desirable range is (160-250), 100 being really the lowest with any hope.

    FreeT level depends on
    Total Testosterone
    and
    SHBG
    and Albumin to some extent, we are not going to worry too much about Albumin.

    Total Testosterone depends on
    testicles production
    and
    Testosterone injections ( I consider transdermals as rather overly variable specially since many people have some or heavy thyroid problems)

    Testicles may be able to produce T (Secondary) or not (Primary)
    Testicles that are able to produce but do not have enough signal (LH, FSH) are induced to production by using HCG.
    Use of HCG while on T is always recomended because it keeps testicles full (otherwise they will shrink).
    Sometimes HCG may be used as sole TRT, but it rarely works.
    Ideal dose of HCG is 100-250iu daily, not practical.
    Someone who likes to keep their sperm fertile should probably use E2D, every two days schedule, 250iu-dose.
    If fertility is or is not at issue E3D schedule is also acceptable, every three days, 500iu-dose.
    Someone who is not able to get HCG should not worry too much, yes his testicles will shrink and stop any production.
    Testicles can be brought back to size latter on when HCG became available, not sure about fertility.
    When fertility is at issue (in the worst way), use daily (hcg-100iu and HMG-75iu) for three months to a year while trying to conceive.

    When there is a need for testosterone injections use cypionate or enanthate.
    Assuming that testcles are absent or adding (some) correction when indigenous production is known, preliminary dose of testosterone can be

    calculated
    when SHBG and last Total T is known.
    Use chart post #41, and table post #40
    table gives weekly dose (XXX mg/week)
    that dose have to be converted to volume, cc or/and units (on insuline syringe)
    Density of testosterone need to be known. Most often 200mg/mL is used but also 100mg/mL is available.
    Weekly volume need to be converted to a volume for each shot for E2D or E3D routine of injections.
    I do not consider weekly or less often injections, specially for those with low SHBG since the TT variability is a frequent source of emotional stress.
    Example,
    calculate size of individual shot
    weekly dose 130mg
    200mg/mL testosterone density
    E3D routine
    (130mg)/(200mg/mL)=0.65mL/week
    0.65mL/week=0.65cc/week=65 units/week
    65/7*3=27.9~28 units each shot

    E2D or E3D routines that is a lots of shots, specially when considering large needles that are customarily used.
    Also with large needles injections are very quick causing additional tissue damage and pain lasting sometime days.
    For this and other reasons I prefer SubQ shots around navel using smallest available needle.
    It takes 4 minutes to get the testosterone into syringe and then a minute to inject it in.
    I consider that time well spend, any sorenes last no more than 10 minutes after the shot.
    I curently use 5/16" long needle, but am considering change to 1/2" long since tiny bit of oil escapes after about every other shot.
    Not sure if it is worth the effort since going to 1/2"long needle would mean also going to thicker (39ga) needle.
    There are at least two suitable types of syringes available for purchase:
    http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code=
    BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95
    and
    http://hocks.com/Merchant2/merchant....Category_Code=
    BD Pen Needle Short 31 Gauge 3/16inch 100/box

    Bottom line, E3D routine
    both T&hcg shots on same day, then two days free of shots
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    While on TRT estrogens have to be monitored, all estrogens, as in blood test list post #44
    I use LEF life Extension Foundation products
    DualAction 5 pills ( for cruciferous, I3C & DIM content)
    TMG 2 pills

    I also use Arimidex or actually the liquid version for ease of use.
    I use insuline syringe with cut off needle to get my dose.
    I use Arimidex on E3D schedule, same as my T&hcg for simplicity.
    I use 0.5cc=50units=1/2pill eact time, dosing must be verified by testing.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I do blood tests once/year per my list, post #44
    also 2-4 tests thruout the year on as need basis.
    Full test is fully paid by my insurance (Medicare) when supported bt ICD-9 codes (provided in post #41)

  24. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I consider transdermals as rather overly variable specially since many people have some or heavy thyroid problems)
    But many professionals in the field consider them a first-line option, and many man who use them are entirely satisfied with the result. Our own Dr. Crisler believes that TD's are preferable to injections because they mimic normal physiology more closely than injections.


    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Sometimes HCG may be used as sole TRT, but it rarely works.
    hCG can produce a good result in properly selected individuals. It is best-suited to men in early middle age having relatively modest secondary hypogonadism.

  25. Dr Marianco on low SHBG
    Attached Files Attached Files

  26. --------------http://anabolicminds.com/forum/962870-post13.html

    estrone to e2 convresion

    Quote Originally Posted by RPHMark View Post
    I forget people outside pharmacy don't always know RPh is the designation for registered pharmacist. I do quite a bit of compounding bio-identical HRT (mostly for women). Obviously, I don't know their case details, but many women present with anxiety/panic attack type symptoms (who have previously never had them) duing the peri-menopausal timeframe. Normally this is due to a drop in progesterone/estrogen dominance and normally associated neurotransmitter levels falling. As you probably know heart racing, breathing problemss, and chest pain are common with this, so maybe that could be what is going on. This would not likely show up on any of the typical ER labs either. Many drs won't test actual hormone levels. We all know this should be standard practice, but it is not. Many will test LH/FSH and say they are "fine", but those levels don't generally change much duing peri-menopause as progesterone is the primary problem. To find a good HRT dr. work backwards. Go to a compounding pharmacy with a good reputation and ask them what dr to see. You can go through a group called IACP (International Acadamy of compounding pharmacists) to find a compounding pharmacy.
    Compounding Pharmacist Locator
    International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists:

    International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists: Home

    If you are unable to locate a compounding pharmacist within a 100 miles radius, please contact our toll-free referral line at 800-927-4227.
    ============================== =================
    The Medicine Shoppe
    146 Us Highway 206
    Andover, NJ 07821-4518
    (973) 786-5300
    Henry Gialanella
    146 Main St

    20 miles from ZIP 07054
    Company Name The Alchemist Shoppe
    Pharmacist Linda Witzal R.Ph.
    Address 3175 Route 10 E.
    Denville NJ 07834
    Phone (973) 328-4477
    URL scream and cream alchemist chris at alchemistshoppe.com
    Distance Approx. 5 Miles

    Company Name Pharmacy Creations

    Pharmacist Scott Karolchyk "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 540 Route 10 West
    Randolph NJ 07869
    Phone (973) 328-8756
    URL Pharmacy Creations News Items
    Distance Approx. 8 Miles



    Company Name Pompton Pharmacy

    Pharmacist David Stahlberger "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 558 Newark Pompton Turnpike
    Pompton Plains NJ 07444
    Phone (973) 839-4200
    Distance Approx. 9 Miles



    Company Name Sheefa Pharmacy & Wellness Center
    Pharmacist Ashraf Latif R.Ph.
    Address 405 Central Avenue
    East Orange NJ 07018
    Phone (973) 673-6800
    URL Welcome To Sheefa Pharmacy
    Distance Approx. 11 Miles



    Company Name Clifton Pharmacy & Compounding
    Pharmacist Howard Bleznick R.Ph.
    Address 595 Van Houten Avenue
    Clifton NJ 07013
    Phone (973) 777-2428
    Distance Approx. 12 Miles


    Company Name Medicine Shoppe
    Pharmacist Jillian Hocking Pharm. D.
    Address 36-A Main Street
    Bloomingdale NJ 07403
    Phone (973) 838-0909
    Distance Approx. 12 Miles


    Company Name Medicine Shoppe
    Pharmacist Daniel Albizati R.Ph.
    Address 559 Franklin Avenue
    Nutley NJ 07110
    Phone (973) 235-0909
    Distance Approx. 13 Miles



    Company Name Belvidere Pharmacy
    Pharmacist George Grumet R.Ph.
    Address 349 Somerset Street
    North Plainfield NJ 07060
    Phone (800) 322-1302
    Distance Approx. 15 Miles



    Company Name Millers of Wyckoff
    Pharmacist David Miller R.Ph.
    Address 678 Wyckoff Avenue
    Wyckoff NJ 07481
    Phone (201) 891-3333
    URL Millers Pharmacy
    Distance Approx. 15 Miles



    Company Name Belvidere Pharmacy

    Pharmacist Shara Rudner "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 349 Somerset Street
    North Plainfield NJ 07060
    Phone (908) 756-6695
    Distance Approx. 15 Miles



    Company Name Rock Ridge Pharmacy

    Pharmacist Matthew Kopacki "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 191 Rock Road
    Glen Rock NJ 07452
    Phone (201) 444-4190
    Distance Approx. 16 Miles


    Company Name Town & Country Pharmacy

    Pharmacist John Herr "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 60 E. Ridgewood Ave.
    Ridgewood NJ 07450
    Phone (201) 447-2020
    Distance Approx. 17 Miles

    ============================== ============================== =======================

    Company Name Dorneyville Pharmacy

    Pharmacist Tom Silvonek "R.Ph., FIACP"
    Address 3330 Hamilton Blvd.
    Allentown PA 18103
    Phone (800) 850-2196
    Distance Approx. 2 Miles



    Company Name "Hartzell's Pharmacy, Inc. Home Heal"
    Pharmacist Robert Hartzell R.Ph.
    Address 300 American Street
    Catasauqua PA 18032
    Phone (610) 264-5471
    Distance Approx. 3 Miles



    Company Name DelPrete's Pharmacy
    Pharmacist Keith Delprete R.Ph.
    Address 3437 Rt. 309
    Orefield PA 18069
    Phone (610) 395-2602
    Distance Approx. 7 Miles



    Company Name Medicine Shoppe
    Pharmacist Phillip Bennett R.Ph.
    Address 1408-2 W. Broad Street
    Quakertown PA 18951
    Phone (215) 536-5595
    Distance Approx. 12 Miles



    Company Name Professional Pharmacy
    Pharmacist David Stone Pharm.D.
    Address 931 Main Street
    Pennsburg PA 18073
    Phone (215) 679-9700
    Distance Approx. 14 Miles

    ============================== ============================== ===============

    also

    American Osteopathic Association

    and

    American Osteopathic Association

    Find an Osteopath : General Osteopathic Council

    healthfinder.gov - Osteopath

    Stop The Thyroid Madness » ADRENALS FAQ–the most frequently asked questions

    Stop The Thyroid Madness » How to find a GOOD DOC

    Thyroid Disease Information Source -- Bestselling Books, News, Information on Living Well With Hypothyroidism, Autoimmune Disease, Thyroid Diet, Home Page of Mary Shomon

    Physician that use ArmourThyroid
    ============================== ============================== =====================
    Quote Originally Posted by RPHMark View Post
    You have some great pharmacists in your area. Scott Karolchyk, Matt Kopacki, and John Herr are ones I have spoken with at conferences before and all of them really know their stuff. Any of the ones with FIACP after their names are fellows in IACP which is an accomplishment.
    ============================== ==
    ============================== ============================== =======================
    The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity
    look under directory
    ============================== ============================== =================
    ============================== ===
    ---------------------------------------------
    Aleksandr Martirosov, DO
    31-00 Broadway
    Fair Lawn, New Jersey 07410
    (210) 475-5006
    [email protected]
    ---------
    Family Medicine
    Addiction Medicine
    Anti-Aging Medicine
    Ostheophatic Medicine
    ---------------------------------------------
    Forward J Brent MD
    195 US Hwy 46
    Mine Hill, NJ 07803-3163
    (973)366-8884
    ------------------------
    Patrick Barrett DO
    (631)472-6000
    4568 Sunrise Hwy Oakdale, NY 11769-1012
    in case I need new doc, good one to ask for reference,
    (84.8 mi – about 1 hour 42 mins (up to 2 hours 20 mins in traffic)
    he works with a lot of bodybuilders, hes a DO and hes a GP

    ------------------------
    Anti-Aging Medicine

    Jeffrey Dach MD Bio-Identical Hormone Blog

    Find a Doctor
    Anti-Aging Physicians, Clinics & Products - WorldHealth.net
    =====================
    very nice search engine:

    Integrative Medicine Physicians - American College for Advancement in Medicine
    ============================== ============

    Doctor Referral List

    http://ucprx.com/doctor_referral_list


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    http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopath...s/default.aspx

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  28. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...tml#post991716

    ============================== ============================== ============
    I am posting this response here and on the thread where dr Delgado made his statement.
    Hopefully we will get some words from him.


    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/991716-post165.html
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/991863-post166.html
    Quote Originally Posted by DrDelgado View Post
    I will also suggest that aging is going to include a decline of hormones,
    within genetic differences, expect to augment back Testosterone,
    I keep mime and my clients under doctors monitoring,
    around 1000 to 1,200 ng/ml Total T,
    and Free T at upper range of 200 to 300 (or 20 to 40 pg/mldepending on the nomenclature)
    Aldosterone is best at 10 to 40 ug/24 hr,
    IGF-1 around 250 to 400 ng/ml.
    DHT 60 to 70 ng/dl,
    DHEA 300 ug/dl,
    insulin under 5,
    SHBG 10 to 30 nmol/l,
    Estradiol 35 pg/ml,
    with about 20 (2OHE) to 1 -16aOHE.

  29. JansZ
    I noted that you take high dose Chrysin now via lef products.

    You jumped from 1 - 2 pills to 7 pills right in between BW?

    Take note that Chrysin might not be an effective form of T boosting or E control

    I have had discussions with Eric over at PP about this.

    They removed Chrysin and reworked Dermacrine Sustain - "Basically, we removed chrisin to make room for more resveratrol and 7,8 benzoflavone. Plus there is some research showing that high-doses of chrysin can inhibit the enzyme which converts Adione to Test (17HSD) so we removed it to make room for the more effective T boosters."

    There is also another thread floating around here that has a MD backed study showing Resveratrol to be much more superior than chrysin for controlling E.

    I would dump the product your taking and just go for straight RSV. Check out this thread, pages 3 in specific Resveratrol really cheap

    I noted that you cannot go transdermal form, so look for revgentics which sells massive doses of RSV, specifically the X500. 500mg pure RSV. Cut pill in half

  30. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    JansZ
    I noted that you take high dose Chrysin now via lef products.

    You jumped from 1 - 2 pills to 7 pills right in between BW?

    Take note that Chrysin might not be an effective form of T boosting or E control

    I have had discussions with Eric over at PP about this.

    They removed Chrysin and reworked Dermacrine Sustain - "Basically, we removed chrisin to make room for more resveratrol and 7,8 benzoflavone. Plus there is some research showing that high-doses of chrysin can inhibit the enzyme which converts Adione to Test (17HSD) so we removed it to make room for the more effective T boosters."

    There is also another thread floating around here that has a MD backed study showing Resveratrol to be much more superior than chrysin for controlling E.

    I would dump the product your taking and just go for straight RSV. Check out this thread, pages 3 in specific Resveratrol really cheap

    I noted that you cannot go transdermal form, so look for revgentics which sells massive doses of RSV, specifically the X500. 500mg pure RSV. Cut pill in half
    Thanks for your concern.
    I stopped using Chrysin over two moths ago.
    Looking at my April's test, I came to conclussion that I should reduce pressure on my SHBG.
    Specially that I am aiming at TotalT~(1100-1200) and FreeT~300 per Nick Delgado rather than previous FreeT~250 per dr Shippen.
    There is two SHBG positions on that test, 20 and 24.
    I was getting Chrysin from LEF's
    Super MiraForte with Maximum Strength Chrysin
    Super Miraforte With Max Strength Chrysin, 120 Caps
    that product contains Nettle (Urtica dioica) which lowers SHBG.

    I also take 200mg resveratrol, separately, this is on top of resveratrol that I am getting with DualAction.

    When I changed from Tcream to Deopo-Testosterone shots on june 19/2007 I added Liquidex 0.5cc with each shot, I use E3D schedule.
    =====================
    I had doctor visit tonight.
    I will be doing Metabolic Analysis Profile.
    Genova Diagnostics

    I have seen (partial) results from my last blood test.
    Pregnenolone is on the bottom of range
    I am increasing from 1gram to 2 grams preg cream

    DHEAs is below range, I will start using DHEA again, probably 100mg

    Do not know what to think (could use help) about my (blood serum) Aldosterone=1.0ng/dL(<or=28)
    In April it was=4
    Quest Diagnostics: Test Menu

    I thought that Aldosterone should be in high teens or even 20's

    Should I reduce salt, increase Potassium, what to do???
    Lately I use more salt then I used to use in my life (taste good, not sure if I need the salt).
    ----
    Note on Quest web site.
    Because
    serum aldosterone concentrations vary due to dietary sodium
    intake and body position, some physicians prefer
    measurement of 24-hour urine concentrations for
    aldosterone.
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