[JanSz]

Please comment.
My results are on attached picture.
I hope everybody is able to see the complete picture, if not I will have to split it into two pages.
Clicking on left mouse increases picture for better view.

[neoborn]

What kind of comments were you looking for, perhaps people need more details as to what you are looking for?

[wildfox]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Please comment.
My results are on attached picture.
I hope everybody is able to see the complete picture, if not I will have to split it into two pages.
Clicking on left mouse increases picture for better view.

I know you've shared before, but it's hard to remember which other threads, so I ask:

1) how do you feel?
2) what was your current TRT regimen at the time when you took the tests and how long had you been steady?
3) what vitamins and supps do you take?
4) what is your diet like?
5) what is your exercise regimen?

[JanSz]

I am 67yo, 6'9", 160#
Other than my aching back I feel ok, but could use more energy.
Almost every other day I need to take afternoon nap, this is new for me.I do one hour per week gym under supervision. Generally to improve my overall strength and core muscles. I wish I had enough energy for another gym day.
I do dancing (aerobics) about 4 hours /week and attend dancing classes 6hrs/week, not sure how to count that it is much less energetic.
My diet is not really organized but probably not really bad.
I eat lots of nuts and fruits, should eat more vegetables.

I used to use 10grams of Androgel and had TT=932ng/dL(241-827)
I switched to equal amount by Test content, Tcream 1gram/day, 100mg/1gram, and my TT falled to 456, most likely part of the reason for lower energy.
I have increased Tcream dose to 2gram/day, if that is not enough I will probably try shots. I have grandson running around and can use only my calves to put Tcream on.

Current test shows too much copper, I stopped my LEF multivitamins with extra niacin and ordered same minus copper.

My current test shows DHEAs 3x over limit I attribute that to my using pregnenolone prescription cream 100mg/1gram, 1gram/day.
I stopped DHEA supplementation.

My current test shows decent cholesterol, possibly too low. This is first in very long time. I attribute that to red yeast rice that I started few months back. It is supported by CoQ10 and Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract from LEF.
I take a tons of supplements from LEF. I stopped their recommended Sytrinol as it did not do its job.

My current test shows Total estrogen and Estrone within range, they were way over range before (and I was told here that nothing can be done about it, and better to not test it). Also my Estradiol stays put at 27. I attribute it to six pills of DualAcrion and 2 pills of TMG both from LEF. DualAction is their version of DIM, heavily supported with I3C, cruciferous extracts, resveratol and others.
I changed to 4 pills of DualAction.

I started 0.25cc/day of LiquiDex, equal to 1/4 pill of Arimidex. After about a week I had to stop that, my nightly wood told me to do that. I guess I am good at E2=27. Scratching my head, I would like to prop my # of ejaculations/week and do not know how.

My Prolactin went slightly up and last test show it at =5.9, since Dr Shippen likes it at 3 I started Vitex 2 pills daily, after about week and half I see no difference.

My previous test show FreeT3=2.9 (2.3-4.2) so I (slowly) added 4 grains Armour Thyroid (and 10mg Cortef), latter stopped Cortef. Last test show FreeT3=486(230-420), over the range, I now take 3grains. Must say that other than little higher body temperature I do not see any difference. I was actually expecting to achieve huge difference in energy levels. Nothing, but my body temp is at desired 36.5C=97.7F slightly less than 36.6C=97.9F I had at my youth.

My SHBG=20 is not that bad, but is slightly below normal range. I have reduce number prostate pills that I take and Super MiraForte, a Chrysin and Nettle product.

My DHT was 226 now 143 (25-75), it is to high, not sure if I should take Avodart. Lower values now are probably due to lower cream application area and lower TotalT.

I have some tests that are (somewhat) over the range it is either Quest or LEF range, ferritin, sodium, Fibrinogen, Hemoglobin A1C, Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A), Glucose. Could use some guidance.

Please look over my test and try to divine some advice.

Mostly how to make me go to gym second day within a week and how to stop afternoon naps.
-----------------------
Edited, my height is 5'9"

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by JanSz

I am 67yo, 6'9", 160#
Other than my aching back I feel ok, but could use more energy.
Almost every other day I need to take afternoon nap, this is new for me.I do one hour per week gym under supervision. Generally to improve my overall strength and core muscles. I wish I had enough energy for another gym day.
I do dancing (aerobics) about 4 hours /week and attend dancing classes 6hrs/week, not sure how to count that it is much less energetic.
My diet is not really organized but probably not really bad.
I eat lots of nuts and fruits, should eat more vegetables.

I used to use 10grams of Androgel and had TT=932ng/dL(241-827)
I switched to equal amount by Test content, Tcream 1gram/day, 100mg/1gram, and my TT falled to 456, most likely part of the reason for lower energy.
I have increased Tcream dose to 2gram/day, if that is not enough I will probably try shots. I have grandson running around and can use only my calves to put Tcream on.

Current test shows too much copper, I stopped my LEF multivitamins with extra niacin and ordered same minus copper.

My current test shows DHEAs 3x over limit I attribute that to my using pregnenolone prescription cream 100mg/1gram, 1gram/day.
I stopped DHEA supplementation.

My current test shows decent cholesterol, possibly too low. This is first in very long time. I attribute that to red yeast rice that I started few months back. It is supported by CoQ10 and Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract from LEF.
I take a tons of supplements from LEF. I stopped their recommended Sytrinol as it did not do its job.

My current test shows Total estrogen and Estrone within range, they were way over range before (and I was told here that nothing can be done about it, and better to not test it). Also my Estradiol stays put at 27. I attribute it to six pills of DualAcrion and 2 pills of TMG both from LEF. DualAction is their version of DIM, heavily supported with I3C, cruciferous extracts, resveratol and others.
I changed to 4 pills of DualAction.

I started 0.25cc/day of LiquiDex, equal to 1/4 pill of Arimidex. After about a week I had to stop that, my nightly wood told me to do that. I guess I am good at E2=27. Scratching my head, I would like to prop my # of ejaculations/week and do not know how.

My Prolactin went slightly up and last test show it at =5.9, since Dr Shippen likes it at 3 I started Vitex 2 pills daily, after about week and half I see no difference.

My previous test show FreeT3=2.9 (2.3-4.2) so I (slowly) added 4 grains Armour Thyroid (and 10mg Cortef), latter stopped Cortef. Last test show FreeT3=486(230-420), over the range, I now take 3grains. Must say that other than little higher body temperature I do not see any difference. I was actually expecting to achieve huge difference in energy levels. Nothing, but my body temp is at desired 36.5C=97.7F slightly less than 36.6C=97.9F I had at my youth.

My SHBG=20 is not that bad, but is slightly below normal range. I have reduce number prostate pills that I take and Super MiraForte, a Chrysin and Nettle product.

My DHT was 226 now 143 (25-75), it is to high, not sure if I should take Avodart. Lower values now are probably due to lower cream application area and lower TotalT.

I have some tests that are (somewhat) over the range it is either Quest or LEF range, ferritin, sodium, Fibrinogen, Hemoglobin A1C, Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A), Glucose. Could use some guidance.

Please look over my test and try to divine some advice.

Mostly how to make me go to gym second day within a week and how to stop afternoon naps.

Fibrinogen: fish oil, niacin
sodium: drink plenty of H2O, reduce dietary sodium to around 2000 mg/day or less;
ferritin: switch to a multi-vit that has no iron, get transferrin saturation done to check for iron overload;
HbA1C: restrict carbohydrate intake, stick to low-glycemic, get plenty of healthy fats and protein
glucose: same as for HbA1C;
not sure about Lp (A).

[plymouth city]

You are 6'9? Do you mean 5'9? If your 6'9, that in itself explains your bad back. This world is not designed for 6'9 people, pretty much every guy over 40 I know that is excessively tall has back issues to do this. All the extra bending over/cramming you people have to do aint easy. Makes me glad Im a short guy, everything is desgined for me

JansZ, you need more T. Bottom line, no escaping it. Switching over to shots might be your best route. You can(and I advise it) to keep using pregnenolone cream, just get it without T.

Your DHT will continue to go down as you keep up with preg cream, and even more so when you switch over to shots.

Is chrysin in your cream? Dump it, your SHBG low no reason to lower it.

Ferritin is a marker for iron. You like alot of people probably avoid iron like the plague, hence the lower range. Find a good chelated mineral supp and try throwing in low dose iron for a bit and see ferritin go up to normal.

Lp(A) can be lowered with green leafy vegetable intake and B vitamin supplementation. I keep on you jansZ about eating your veggies you must listen. If I can't get you to cook you should try my latest venture Im on and start juicing - Official Site : Jack LaLanne's Power Juicer As Seen On TV - The Official Power Juicer Site for Fast Healthy Fresh Fruit Juice and Vegetable Juice in Seconds.

In reference to Hemoglobin and Glucose check out the links I left for you. If you mistyped and you are only 5'9 at 160 Im assuming you might be carrying around a little extra weight.

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[plymouth city]

Again, Im wary of Vitex from most places. When Biotest comes out with Vitex product you will be first to know.

[hardasnails1973]

your elevated dhea is probably throwing off your PSA as well as your estrogen metabolism. E2 could come down a bit may be to 15-20 it may open up your free test levels. Copper is probably depleting iron since they compete..Copper is due to probably adrenal secreting it out of the tissue from some kind of detoxification. I bet the lowering of total estrogen might have freed it up from the tissue..

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

You are 6'9? Do you mean 5'9? If your 6'9, that in itself explains your bad back. This world is not designed for 6'9 people, pretty much every guy over 40 I know that is excessively tall has back issues to do this. All the extra bending over/cramming you people have to do aint easy. Makes me glad Im a short guy, everything is desgined for me
I am 5'9", sorry for typo.

JansZ, you need more T. Bottom line, no escaping it. Switching over to shots might be your best route. You can(and I advise it) to keep using pregnenolone cream, just get it without T. Yes to pregnenolone. Yes to T, I intend to be on top of my FreeT or BioAvailableT. The current dip happened due to change Androgel--> Tcream. Wonder what my dose will be if I have to change again, to Depo-T 200mg/mL. I do not think my balls are producing any T. I am using now Novarel HCG 250IU/eod, probably does not make a sense to push it and say doubling the HCG dose, just to double check my balls??
Your DHT will continue to go down as you keep up with preg cream, and even more so when you switch over to shots.

Is chrysin in your cream? Dump it, your SHBG low no reason to lower it. I already dumped part of my prostate supplements, they lower my SHBG, after next test I may dump the remaining pills. I think I sort of like my current SHBG level. Funny with SHBG testing. When tested individually it is =24, when it is part of (Free Bioavailable and Total T) it is =20, rather large difference.
Ferritin is a marker for iron. You like alot of people probably avoid iron like the plague, hence the lower range. Find a good chelated mineral supp and try throwing in low dose iron for a bit and see ferritin go up to normal.

Lp(A) can be lowered with green leafy vegetable intake and B vitamin supplementation. I keep on you jansZ about eating your veggies you must listen. If I can't get you to cook you should try my latest venture Im on and start juicing - Official Site : Jack LaLanne's Power Juicer As Seen On TV - The Official Power Juicer Site for Fast Healthy Fresh Fruit Juice and Vegetable Juice in Seconds. Post list od stuff that you will be throwing in the juicer, amounts on daily basis. I need to lower my glucose when it should be easy to do, now=105. Just do not have a good idea of what to do. Possibly I eat too much fruits. They are mostly apples, oranges and grapefruit, lots of sugar. When I do not go anywhere I eat onions, another sugar. Need good instructions on glucode control.
In reference to Hemoglobin and Glucose check out the links I left for you. If you mistyped and you are only 5'9 at 160 Im assuming you might be carrying around a little extra weight. My coach would like me to add more weight. But he also want me to lift heavier weights. All this is getting back to energy level. How to increase energy level. I was surprised when working on Armour I was adding 10 mg of Cortef. With or without Cortef I seen no difference.
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[SufferingEd]

Originally Posted by JanSz

I am 67yo, 6'9", 160#
Other than my aching back I feel ok, but could use more energy.
Almost every other day I need to take afternoon nap, this is new for me.I do one hour per week gym under supervision. Generally to improve my overall strength and core muscles. I wish I had enough energy for another gym day.
I do dancing (aerobics) about 4 hours /week and attend dancing classes 6hrs/week, not sure how to count that it is much less energetic.
My diet is not really organized but probably not really bad.
I eat lots of nuts and fruits, should eat more vegetables.

I used to use 10grams of Androgel and had TT=932ng/dL(241-827)
I switched to equal amount by Test content, Tcream 1gram/day, 100mg/1gram, and my TT falled to 456, most likely part of the reason for lower energy.
I have increased Tcream dose to 2gram/day, if that is not enough I will probably try shots. I have grandson running around and can use only my calves to put Tcream on.

Current test shows too much copper, I stopped my LEF multivitamins with extra niacin and ordered same minus copper.

My current test shows DHEAs 3x over limit I attribute that to my using pregnenolone prescription cream 100mg/1gram, 1gram/day.
I stopped DHEA supplementation.

My current test shows decent cholesterol, possibly too low. This is first in very long time. I attribute that to red yeast rice that I started few months back. It is supported by CoQ10 and Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract from LEF.
I take a tons of supplements from LEF. I stopped their recommended Sytrinol as it did not do its job.

My current test shows Total estrogen and Estrone within range, they were way over range before (and I was told here that nothing can be done about it, and better to not test it). Also my Estradiol stays put at 27. I attribute it to six pills of DualAcrion and 2 pills of TMG both from LEF. DualAction is their version of DIM, heavily supported with I3C, cruciferous extracts, resveratol and others.
I changed to 4 pills of DualAction.

I started 0.25cc/day of LiquiDex, equal to 1/4 pill of Arimidex. After about a week I had to stop that, my nightly wood told me to do that. I guess I am good at E2=27. Scratching my head, I would like to prop my # of ejaculations/week and do not know how.

My Prolactin went slightly up and last test show it at =5.9, since Dr Shippen likes it at 3 I started Vitex 2 pills daily, after about week and half I see no difference.

My previous test show FreeT3=2.9 (2.3-4.2) so I (slowly) added 4 grains Armour Thyroid (and 10mg Cortef), latter stopped Cortef. Last test show FreeT3=486(230-420), over the range, I now take 3grains. Must say that other than little higher body temperature I do not see any difference. I was actually expecting to achieve huge difference in energy levels. Nothing, but my body temp is at desired 36.5C=97.7F slightly less than 36.6C=97.9F I had at my youth.

My SHBG=20 is not that bad, but is slightly below normal range. I have reduce number prostate pills that I take and Super MiraForte, a Chrysin and Nettle product.

My DHT was 226 now 143 (25-75), it is to high, not sure if I should take Avodart. Lower values now are probably due to lower cream application area and lower TotalT.

I have some tests that are (somewhat) over the range it is either Quest or LEF range, ferritin, sodium, Fibrinogen, Hemoglobin A1C, Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A), Glucose. Could use some guidance.

Please look over my test and try to divine some advice.

Mostly how to make me go to gym second day within a week and how to stop afternoon naps.
-----------------------
Edited, my height is 5'9"

I just started taking vitex also. It says it can take up to a month to start taking effect. Your procaltin is already low compared to mine so you may not notice a difference for a while. Mine is 15 so I may notice it a little quicker. I'll let you know.

[JanSz]

My fasting glucose is either 98 or 105mg/dL, LEF likes it at (70-85)
Actually I have a old meter I used to use for my late diabetic dog. Will double check tommorow morning.
Reading thru LEF articles I found supplements that they recomend:

Chromium Polynicotinate
200 mcg , 365 capsules
Item Catalog Number: 169
Chromium Polynicotinate, 200 Mcg 365 Capsules
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Super Carnosine, 500 Mg 90 Capsules
Super Carnosine 500 mg, 90 capsules Item Catalog Number: 787
and
Acetyl-L-Carnitine, 500 Mg 100 Capsules
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500 mg, 100 capsules Item Catalog Number: 449

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Mega Silymarin With Isosilybin B, 100 Capsules
Mega Silymarin with Isosilybin B 100 capsules Item Catalog Number: 702
and
Enhanced Cinnulin Pf® With Glucose Management Proprietary Blend, 90 Vegetarian Capsules
Enhanced Cinnulin PF® with Glucose Management Proprietary Blend 90 vegetarian capsules Item Catalog Number: 967

I sort of like description of the last one.
There is a description of tonns of ingredients under a link provided.
Looking for opinions.
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[plymouth city]

250IU HCG EOD retains baseline funtioning. Do not raise, as it will desensitize testes and possible E2 increase. Stick with that.

Your trying more cream? I would look to using a combo preg cream + Injects. No more rubbing insane amounts of cream into calves. Will cut down on that.

Best thing to do to get glucose under control is to follow a natural diet. Lots of lean meats, nutts, seads, fatty fish, eggs, veggies and fruit. Take in lots of olive and coconut oil and walnutts as well.

I haven't figured out how Im going to do the juice thing yet, but again I will be using the same frozen fruits veggies that i use. I tend to stick with broccoli, spinich, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries. I will buy carrots, apples, and cucumbers fresh.

I was thinking 1 apple, 1/4 cup of frozen veggie and 1/4 cup frozen fruit as blend, with olive and coconut oil dumped in. I'll let ya know.

Im not an advocate of lifting super heavy weights. I feel stiff and sluggish when I do so. I like staying lean and limber. I do alot of high intensity movements like sprinting and plyo's, these cut my legs up better than squats and don't leave me dragging for three days the way heavy squats do. Plus, given my profession Im on my feet alot I need to be quick. I love doing Bikram yoga. I also dig this DVD - Testosterone Nation - MAGNIFICENT MOBILITY DVD

Given your age High intensity stuff like plyos is out, however good ol fashion walking is great. Resristance training is good, stick with moderate reps and weights. And don't be afraid to skimp a little on calories, cut down on meal sizes.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

250IU HCG EOD retains baseline funtioning. Do not raise, as it will desensitize testes and possible E2 increase. Stick with that.

Your trying more cream? I would look to using a combo preg cream + Injects. No more rubbing insane amounts of cream into calves. Will cut down on that.

Best thing to do to get glucose under control is to follow a natural diet. Lots of lean meats, nutts, seads, fatty fish, eggs, veggies and fruit. Take in lots of olive and coconut oil and walnutts as well.

I haven't figured out how Im going to do the juice thing yet, but again I will be using the same frozen fruits veggies that i use. I tend to stick with broccoli, spinich, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries. I will buy carrots, apples, and cucumbers fresh.

I was thinking 1 apple, 1/4 cup of frozen veggie and 1/4 cup frozen fruit as blend, with olive and coconut oil dumped in. I'll let ya know.

Im not an advocate of lifting super heavy weights. I feel stiff and sluggish when I do so. I like staying lean and limber. I do alot of high intensity movements like sprinting and plyo's, these cut my legs up better than squats and don't leave me dragging for three days the way heavy squats do. Plus, given my profession Im on my feet alot I need to be quick. I love doing Bikram yoga. I also dig this DVD - Testosterone Nation - MAGNIFICENT MOBILITY DVD

Given your age High intensity stuff like plyos is out, however good ol fashion walking is great. Resristance training is good, stick with moderate reps and weights. And don't be afraid to skimp a little on calories, cut down on meal sizes.

Other than Grunts excercise on a ball, lunges are also adjusting my (formerly) aching back.

I found this site with some pictures.
fitness exercise descriptions
I will have to start doing it with arabesque, nice to keep balance (in old age).
http://www.pmts.org/graphics/exercise/fwdarab.gif

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Other than Grunts excercise on a ball, lunges are also adjusting my (formerly) aching back.

I found this site with some pictures.
fitness exercise descriptions
I will have to start doing it with arabesque, nice to keep balance (in old age).
http://www.pmts.org/graphics/exercise/fwdarab.gif

Oh man, let me tell you, the foam ball exercises are keeping me going, working out all the kinks, its like having your very own ART session.

I love getting ART, can't speak highly enough about it, I try and go once every couple months, in between foam roller/ball exercises help. I love that DVD I posted above, GET IT!