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I wouldn't sweat the aldosterone reading.

Unless I see low aldo confirmed by urinary analysis I don't buy much into it.

Your DHEA and Preg both went down.

Want to bet that your TT is sky high right now, way above the 4 something range it was before?

This is common for other androgenic hormones to crash when exogenous T is administered. By knowing that, Im betting 10 -1 your shots are working.

Im not a fan of oral DHEA.

Get some Dermacrine JansZ. I think they have a superior delivery system than the usual preg compounded cream you get from a script, plus the added bonus of DHEA transdermal. Start at half dose. Plus added resveratrol and benzoflavone 7,8 in it.

Where do you get resveratrol( you netioned 200mg a day) LEF is way to expensive. Check my "resveratrol really cheap" post, I like revegentics for pure RSV, the X500, VERY cheap.
 
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Ok, so I have my blood test result from 8/30/07 blood draw.
They shorted me on
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)
so next script is on a way and I will have to get poked again.

There is two Estrodial results, from description I thought that both were ultrasensitive, but I got different results.
I am going with the one that comes with FreeE2
My freeE2 is high, (but my pines is working ok).
I am incresing Liquidex from 0.5 to 0.6cc E3D
so my weekly dose is now
0.6*7/3=1.4cc/week
increase from
0.5*7/3=1.17cc/week

my Fibrinogen=424(175-425)
LEF wants (180-250)
I asked doc for TRENTAL®
(pentoxifylline)
Tablets, 400 mg
1 or 2 tablets daily
will see what comes out of this request

FreeT3 freeT4
9/16/07 I upped Armour from 3grains to 3.5
also asked for script for Synthroid 25mcg, I will use 1pill/day.

9/20/07 Changed back to 3grains plus 2pills Synthroid 25mcg.
Hopefuly my body can convert some T4-->T3 and I raise both FreeT4 and FreeT3
will be watching pulse and temps.
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Pregnenolone/DHEA

I upped preg cream from one to 2grams/day
Started on DHEA, 100mg/day

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Genova Diagnostics
EstroEssence
and

Metabolic Analysis Profile and Cellular Energy Profile
out for testing
Monday Oct1/2007

================================================== ======================
Oct1/2007
finaly received testosterone results (after second poking), they still omitted DHT.
.
68 Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS) Quest Diagnostics: Test Menu
69 /------------------------------------ 1151 (250-1100) ng/dL Testosterone Total
70 /------------------------------------ 248.5 (46-224) pg/mL Testosterone Free
71 /------------------------------------ 456.9 (110-575) ng/dL Testosterone Bioavailable
72 /------------------------------------ 26 (17-54) nmol/L SHBG
73 /------------------------------------ 4.0 (3.6-5.1) g/dL Albumin, serum
74 Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X) --------- Quest Diagnostics: Test Menu
75 /------------------------------------ 69 (25-75 ) ng/dL Dihydrotestosterone
76 /------------------------------------ 7.52 (1.00-6.20) pg/mL Dihydrotestosterone, FREE
77 /------------------------------------ 1.09% (0.62-1.10) % Dihydrotestosterone, FREE %




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My goal
FreeT~300, =(248.5-46)/(300-46)=0.7972 (dose is short 20%)
BAT~575 (top range), =(456.9-110)/(575-110)=0.7460 (dose is short 25%)

730 740 750 760 770 780 790 800 810 820 830 840 850 860 870 880 890 900 910
449 454 459 463 468 473 477 482 487 491 496 501 505 510 515 519 524 529 533

920 930 940 950 960 970 980 990 1000 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110
538 542 547 552 556 561 566 570 575.0 580 584 589 594 598 603 608 612 617 622



I am still short on both
The test represents my Depo-Tshots=30units at E3D schedule.
My new dose should be around
=30/0.75=40units=186.7mg/week
=30/0.8=37.5units=175mg/week
conservatively I make my new dose =38units=177.3mg/week
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Note1, using dr Shippen chart my FreeT=325pg/mL
Note2, using (totally unreliable BAT)(but FreeT sort of close)
Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

FreeT=343 pg/mL
BAT=750ng/dL
.
Note3, the 31GA 5/16"long leaked out little bit of oil, changed (over month ago) to 30Ga 1/2"Long
.
.
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they have Novarel.
No Novarel
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Note, nov9/07
For a while I have changed Novarel from 500iu on the day of T shots to 250iu on both days between T shot.
My testicles are little firmer, scrotum hangs low more often.
Since now I am doing shots every day, I decided to do T shots E2D and 250iu in beween.
Testosterone was 38units now 38/3*2=25.33~ 25.5units
38*7/3=


my weekly dose is:
=0.255*200*7/2=178.5mg/week

my old weekly dose, the one corresponding to current test results was 0.3*7/3*200=140
I expect that my BAT should raise to 456.9*178.5/140=583
actually even more because blood was drawn on third day, but now it will be drawn on second day after T shot.

Liquidex on days of T shot, 0.6/3*2=0.4cc
Dec6/07
Started Anastrozole from ChemOne Research it is sweet and do not sting, wonder if will work.
Dark in color, hard to see numbers on syringe.
Some morning wood problems, decreasing dose to 0.36=36units
0.36*7/2=1.295cc/week Arimidex pills/week
Dec20/07
EstroEssence from Dec13/07 shows low urine E2
Change Anastrozole to 0.33*7/2=1.155cc/week

Feb29/08
Stopped DualAction, BreastFormula, MiraForte
Started 2 scoops DIM-Powder
Change Anastrozole to =0.38*7/2=1.33cc/week
Piston on my 3/10cc syringe is 6 units high, top of piston is at 38+6=44
Mar15/08 Anastrozole 45units (45+6=51) .45*7/2=1.575

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------)



My E2 story


See erection weakness.
Blood drawn 3/19/08, reported 3/31/2008
DHT=81(25-75)
E2=4(< or =29)
E2, Free=.07(< or = 0.45)
E2,%Free=1.82(1.25 - 1.85)

Stopped Anastrozole, 3/31/08
---
Pines worked best while in Atlantic City (May 25/08)
---
See erection weakness
Blood drawn 5/23/08, reported 6/4/08 (instead of 48 hrs, had to draw 24 hrs after T shot, so the TT values are little higher)

E2D schedule, T=25.5units=178.5mg/week, HCG=500iu
No Anastrozole since 3/31/08

TT=1117(250-1100)
BAT=584.6(46-575)
FreeT=303.5(46-224)
SHBG=18
Albumin=4.2
DHT=77(25-75)
E2=39(< or =29)
E2, Free=1.07(< or = 0.45)
E2,%Free=2.73(1.25 - 1.85)
Note:
See erection weakness, but week ago was still strong.
Most likely I feel best at E2=29
June 10/08, restarted Anastrozole
0.25cc/E2D=0.25*7/2=0.875/week
about June 15 changed to 0.25cc every day

June 26/08 first night with strong nightly wood.
(today is my HCG day, no Anastrozole until second T shot)



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Discussion with colkurtz_spf about hcg level.
HCG not restoring ball size.
.
I am going back to 31ga 5/16"long needle 3/10cc
the dose will fit in that small volume syringe
Any leaking is small any how, 30ga 1/2"long needle also leaked sometime
minimizing scar tissue is more important to me.
.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Located study:
Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains
Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with
Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression
http://calendar.hsl.washington.edu/d...Dose_Human.pdf

Study shown that:
125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day

Posttreatment
ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group,
7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and
26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group.
---------------------------
I am changing my HCG dose to 110%
my new dose of HCG=380IU=19units I dissolve hcg in 5mL Bwater.
today 11/30/2007
===============================================
Pregnyl® 1500IU - X-PIL
Pregnyl® 1500 I.U.
Pregnyl comes as 2 ml ampoules of dry white powder with 1 ml ampoule of solvent.
===============================================
Pregnyl® 5000IU - X-PIL
Pregnyl® 5000 I.U.
Pregnyl comes as 2 ml ampoules of dry white powder with 1 ml ampoule of solvent. That is very little amount of solvent, reason not to buy it.
===============================================
Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression -- Coviello et al. 90 (5): 2595 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains
Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with
Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression
© 2005
 
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my Fibrinogen=424(175-425)
LEF wants (180-250)
I asked doc for TRENTAL®
(pentoxifylline)
Tablets, 400 mg
1 or 2 tablets daily
will see what comes out of this request

Curcumin is supposed to do a job on fibrinogen. Do you have any experience with it?
 
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Curcumin is supposed to do a job on fibrinogen. Do you have any experience with it?
I was using Curcumin for a while but then stopped, newer done blood testing.

LEF recomends Trental. Hopefully my doc will come thru.
I will see him in an hour. (Good doc, I am able to contact him at will, to ease up on his time, few hour ago I send e-mail with my requests ).

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Ok, Synthroid 25mcg
and
Pentoxifylli 400mg
are at home.

I am at 3.5 grains of Armour, that should put my FreeT3 at the top range
but my freeT4 will lag behind hence 1pill 25mcg/day of Synthroid.
I newer tried, I may be one of the lucky guys who convert T4-->T3
Latter may want to get down on Armour and boost up Synthroid.

Looking for a formula on how to do it.
Assuming 3.5 Grains of Armour and 25mcg Synthroid keep FreeT3 and FreeT4 on top.
Assuming that I am able to fully convert T3--->T3 how (without blood testing) figure my theoretical T4 dose that I would need in the basence of Armour.
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Nov9/07 For about 3 weeks I am using 3x25mcg Levothyroxin and 3Grains Armour divided in half.

Normally I do not use Cortef but if I feel little down, and have dancing or gym ahead, I take one 5mg Cortef 2-3 hours before, sometimes another Cortef before I start dancing and feel much better and have better stamina.
 
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What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US?
Question:
What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? I have heard of quite a few different injectible drugs you can use (i.e., Pergonal, HMG, Humegon, etc) and want to know if there is a drug that is cheaper than the others and also is it effective?
I recognize most of the drugs listed here as female fertility drugs. Do they also work to increase fertility in males?
 
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HCG works like LH (Luteinizing Hormone). LH in men controls testosterone release.

HMG works like FSH (Follicular Stimulating Hormone). FSH in men triggers sperm production.

There's less difference between male and female systems than you might think!

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HCG works like LH (Luteinizing Hormone). LH in men controls testosterone release.

HMG works like FSH (Follicular Stimulating Hormone). FSH in men triggers sperm production.

There's less difference between male and female systems than you might think!
That's very interesting. Which one does Clomid work on, FSH, right? My doctor says that boosting my clomid won't have any effect but I'm not sure about that.

It sounds like what I need is the hCG, which is an IM injection, correct?
 
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Jansz your going taking 3 steps backwards and one forward.
what is dosage of testosterone you are taking every 3 days?
The dosages you are doing are crossing the benefit/risk ratio of TRT and are headed into steroid usage which will only put stress on entire endocrine system and will feel good for 2-3 weeks untill your testosterone and estrogen receptors are over loaded and then you will crash. Been there did that done that. Your adrenals are already stress and adjusting your testosterone dosge to 800-900 on blood test on second day after the injection will give you a good average. Your e2 and DHT are going to go out the roof and like Dr Shippen told me using another drug inorder to offset side effects to push above the numbers all the way to high end is fuked up.

Think of it this way
bypossible swtiching over to hcg +injections and keeping them in upper 25% of the range you will lower dht and e2 which will reduce the need for finisterde and armidex. More is not better Bro and personally you are going to end up causing major cardiovascaular problems in the future tinkering around with those dosages. Go 42.5 mgs every 3 days with 250 ius retest in 4 weeks then increase if not into target range

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i was wondering if you are a dr?also wondering where you get the basis for over 800-900 t level is unsafe. not breaking stones...just trying to understand.

bodybuilders regularly have t levels of double or triple that and when on much higher.

do you have any links / research that support what you are saying?

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Jan....thanks fo the B12 info

Hardasnails....bump on the t question

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rT3 high, how to deal with it

Use thise three Genova diagnostics tests.

Comprehensive Thyroid Assesment
Oxidative Stress Panel (part of NutrEval)
Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes (RBC's)(part of NutrEval)


Read results, follow advice given by those tests.

So really best would be to use two tests (few extra $$ but lots of informations):
NutrEval
Comprehensive Thyroid Assesment
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-------------------

High rT3
5' deiodinase (Se dependent)
----------------------------------------------------------
Selenium also performs other important roles in the body.
The most important of these is probably as its role as the body's best antioxidant (anti-peroxidant).
It performs this role as part of glutathione peroxidase (GSHPx or GPX).

Glutathione Peroxidase (GSH-Px)
Glutathione peroxidase is a selenium-dependant enzyme found primarily in the cytoplasm (70%) but also in the mitochondria (30%).
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Genova Diagnostics' Oxidative Stress Panel
checks Glutathione Peroxidase
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Interactions, (close): (iodine, selenium, zinc, copper)
ie; at least above four have to be in proper balance
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Genova Diagnostics' Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes (RBC's)
checks (it is missing iodine):
TOXICS
Antimony
Arsenic
Cadmium
Lead
Mercury
Thallium
Tin

NUTRIENTS
Chromium
Copper
Magnesium
Manganese
Potassium
Selenium
Vanadium
Zinc

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If the above investigations falls short, further investigations should be made looking into:
Interactions, (wide range)
Ag, Co, Cr, Fe, Hg, I,Rb, Sb, Sc, Se, Zn



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http://www.ithyroid.com/iodine.htm
While I've found research on the interactions of iodine and selenium, there are two other minerals which need to be studied for their interactions with these two: zinc and copper. I found one study which examined the complex interactions of selenium, iodine, and zinc (there are interactions), but none which have looked at all four minerals in a 4 X 4 factorial design. Now that would be an interesting study! Hopefully someone will do that soon.

I think one lesson from studying the interactions of selenium and iodine is that the interrelationships between minerals are very complicated. Supplementing with one or two can cause further problems. You have to make sure that you correct every deficiency. Health is built from a chain of nutrients and, like a chain, health cannot be accomplished if one nutrient is missing. Sometimes it's complicated putting the chain back together without running into problems (like supplementing with either selenium or iodine, but not both), but every deficiency has to be corrected. John
 



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Blood test at Quest, blood drawn 3/19/2008
page #1 --Comp metabolic panel
page #2 --Hepatic function panel
page #3 --CBC w/Diff , risk factors
page #4 --
page #5 -- VAP Cholesterol
 
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Holy crap your iodine levels are off the chart.
 
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Blood test at Quest, blood drawn 3/19/2008
page #1 --Comp metabolic panel
page #2 --Hepatic function panel
page #3 --CBC w/Diff , risk factors
page #4 --
page #5 -- VAP Cholesterol
E2 is too low, Jan, as I am sure you realize.
 
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rT3 high, how to deal with it

rT3 high, how to deal with it


Use thise three Genova diagnostics tests.

Comprehensive Thyroid Assesment
Oxidative Stress Panel (part of NutrEval)
Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes (RBC's)(part of NutrEval)


Read results, follow advice given by those tests.

So really best would be to use two tests (few extra $$ but lots of informations):
NutrEval
Comprehensive Thyroid Assesment
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------
-------------------

High rT3
5' deiodinase (Se dependent)
----------------------------------------------------------
Selenium also performs other important roles in the body.
The most important of these is probably as its role as the body's best antioxidant (anti-peroxidant).
It performs this role as part of glutathione peroxidase (GSHPx or GPX).

Glutathione Peroxidase (GSH-Px)
Glutathione peroxidase is a selenium-dependant enzyme found primarily in the cytoplasm (70%) but also in the mitochondria (30%).
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Genova Diagnostics' Oxidative Stress Panel
checks Glutathione Peroxidase
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Interactions, (close): (iodine, selenium, zinc, copper)
ie; at least above four have to be in proper balance
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Genova Diagnostics' Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes (RBC's)
checks (it is missing iodine):
TOXICS
Antimony
Arsenic
Cadmium
Lead
Mercury
Thallium
Tin

NUTRIENTS
Chromium
Copper
Magnesium
Manganese
Potassium
Selenium
Vanadium
Zinc

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If the above investigations falls short, further investigations should be made looking into:
Interactions, (wide range)
Ag, Co, Cr, Fe, Hg, I,Rb, Sb, Sc, Se, Zn



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.ithyroid.com/iodine.htm
While I've found research on the interactions of iodine and selenium, there are two other minerals which need to be studied for their interactions with these two: zinc and copper. I found one study which examined the complex interactions of selenium, iodine, and zinc (there are interactions), but none which have looked at all four minerals in a 4 X 4 factorial design. Now that would be an interesting study! Hopefully someone will do that soon.

I think one lesson from studying the interactions of selenium and iodine is that the interrelationships between minerals are very complicated. Supplementing with one or two can cause further problems. You have to make sure that you correct every deficiency. Health is built from a chain of nutrients and, like a chain, health cannot be accomplished if one nutrient is missing. Sometimes it's complicated putting the chain back together without running into problems (like supplementing with either selenium or iodine, but not both), but every deficiency has to be corrected. John
 



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