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06-21-2007, 03:15 PM
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It is very important to have steady routine and not to get screwed by laboratory. For my next test I will go to Quest lab, script in hand and have them prepare paperwork first. I did that first time and they let me check the tests that they were going to do. I still missed pregnenolone and double Testosterone, but that was realy my fault, one can say. Unfortunately with large tests there is big chance for screw-ups. | |
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06-21-2007, 03:37 PM
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| Banned | Nails, You are 25 to 30 something with testicals that still produce T. JansZ is older with testicals that probably produce nothing. It is very very likely he will need more T than you to end up in upper range. hCG in people with responding testes, healthy young leydig cells will crank up T 200 points(Like in you) JansZ testicals are probably permanently shutdown, leydig cells in testes will become basically 'dead" from having years of no response/use, desensitized. hCG still benefit though because balls will swell up, prevent scrotum from tightening up, for looks as well. I have read stuff that hCG will boost mood, blood flow of genital area even if testicals do not work anymore. There is new cutting edge work now that has shown hCG is a very very potent fat burner and metabolism booster. Exact sceince of such is still unknown. hMG is the new guy on the block. It is basically FSH(follicle stimulating hormone). It combined with hCG(basically LH) and becomes a deadly, potent one-two punch. It will be the new wave, in future everyone will inject hCG and hMG in conjunction. Some are already on bandwagon. hCG and hMG is also the newest and improved way to restard HTPA axis. |
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06-21-2007, 04:00 PM
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06-21-2007, 04:25 PM
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It would have to be from somebody who did not cared for fertility but cared primarily for health and happy love making. . | |
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06-22-2007, 02:11 PM
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Im on it, but remember, hMG and hCG in conjunction for HRT is probably only being used by a few hundred people at best right now, probably all within the last year. this is very very new territory | |
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06-22-2007, 02:40 PM
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But now few questions. Have you been on HCG alone for enough time to be able feel difference if any when you added HMG? What is that difference? What brand of HMG that you are using, dose, frequency There is HCG, HMG and FSH, have you considered using all three? How much it cost? Where to buy to get good price? I can get script if I really am convinced of the benefits, so do not hold back. Why are you using HMG, are you trying to get her pregnant or for personal fulfilment? -------------------------------------------------------- Wish you luck -------------------------------------------------------- http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/536457-post31.html In this post, on the bottom, there is a link to a table that shows different brands of FSH HCG HMG | |
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06-23-2007, 02:26 PM
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| Registered User | What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? Question: What is the cheapest injectible fertility drug you can buy in the US? I have heard of quite a few different injectible drugs you can use (i.e., Pergonal, HMG, Humegon, etc) and want to know if there is a drug that is cheaper than the others and also is it effective? Answer: - FSH/LH drugs (HMG): Repronex is cheapest in most places, Humegon next, then Pergonal is much more costly. They are all basically the same. FSH: Only Fertinex to choose from. RhFSH: Follistim is cheaper than Gonal-F in most places. Repronex or Humegon are probably the cheapest injectible meds you can get ahold of right now. - And repronex works, trust me. That's what I'm using. Now if we can just get those darn sperm to swim in the right direction... Gonal -F® 75 IU (Serono Europe Pack) $48.50 Gonal -F® 900 IU PEN (Serono Europe Pack) $580.00 Follistim® (Puregon®) 300 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $172.50 Follistim® (Puregon®) 600 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $345.00 Repronex®(Menopur®) 75 IU (Ferring Europe Pack) $34.00 HMG (Generic Repronex®) 75 IU (Generic Europe Pack) $12.75 Fostimon® (Gen. Bravelle®) 75 IU (IBSA Europe Pack) $28.00 HCG (Pregnyl®) 10,000 IU (Organon Europe Pack) $25.00 Lupron® - 14 day, 2.8 ml (Abbott Europe Pack) $170.00 Synarel® Spray (0.2 mg/0.5ml) (Pharmacia Europe Pack) $190.00 Antagon®(Orgalutran®) .25 mg/.5 ml (Organon Europe Pack) $57.00 Cetrotide® 0.25 mg (Serono Europe Pack) $60.00 Ovidrel® (Ovitrelle®) (250 mcg) (Serono Europe Pack) $58.00 Clomid® 50 mg (each) (Aventis Europe Pack) $1.50 ================================================== ========================= Bravelle™ 75 International Units Vial Cetrotide® .25mg prefilled syringe Cetrotide® 3mg prefilled syringe Clomiphene Citrate 50mg Tabs Crinone Gel 8% Vaginal Applicators Fertile One vitamin supplement 120 Tablets Follistim® AQ 300 International Units, 600 International Units and 900 International Units Cartridge 75 International Units and 150 International Units Vial Ganirelix (formerly Antagon) 250mcg Syringe Gonal - F® 450 International Units Multi Dose Vial Gonal - F® RFF 75 International Units Vial Gonal - F® RFF Pen 300, 450 and 900 HCG 10,000 International Units Vial IVIG Varies Lupron® 2 Week Kit Leuprolide Acetate 2 Week Kit Luveris® 75 International Units Vial Menopur® 75 International Units Vial Novarel™ 10,000 International Units Vial Ovidrel® 250mcg Prefilled Syringe Progesterone in Oil 50 mg/ml Vial 10ml Vial Repronex® 75 International Units Vial |
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06-23-2007, 03:16 PM
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| Running with the Big Boys | Quote:
 I tihnk you are not allowed to post that | |
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06-23-2007, 03:52 PM
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I posted to get ball park prices and names. | |
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06-25-2007, 03:09 PM
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| Registered User | Using my study above using RoidCalculator, I note that on weekly injection test blood level are half on minimum of what they are at the max. ------ Using this study, I know T levels at the minimum. Blood drawn on the day of weekly shot right before the shot. AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 Table 2 Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism ------------------------ My analysis is shown on the attached chart, also bottom line results are below. Variation= ±75 should be added when reading the table. Also remember that in the study endogenous testosterone was blocked, testis were not producing T during study. DepoT TotalT SHBG FreeT SHBG FreeT 25 353 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 30 381 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 35 410 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 40 438 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 45 466 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 50 494 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 55 522 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 60 551 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 65 579 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 70 607 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 75 635 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 80 663 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 85 692 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 90 720 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 95 748 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 100 776 xx5 300 14.4 250 105 805 xx7 300 16.5 250 110 833 xx9 300 18.6 250 115 861 10.8 300 20.7 250 120 889 xx13 300 xx23 250 125 917 xx15 300 xx25 250 130 946 16.7 300 x27.3 250 135 974 18.7 300 x29.4 250 140 1002 xx21 300 x31.5 250 145 1030 22.6 300 x33.5 250 150 1058 24.5 300 x35.6 250 155 1087 26.4 300 xx38 250 160 1115 28.4 300 xx40 250 165 1143 30.4 300 x42.2 250 170 1171 32.3 300 x44.4 250 175 1199 34.3 300 x46.3 250 180 1228 36.3 300 x48.5 250 185 1256 38.2 300 x50.7 250 190 1284 xx40 300 x52.8 250 195 1312 xxxx 300 xx55 250 200 1340 xx44 300 xx57 250 205 1369 xxxx 300 x59.3 250 210 1397 xx48 300 x61.5 250 215 1425 xxxx 300 x63.4 250 220 1453 51.7 300 xxxx 250 225 1481 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 230 1510 55.6 300 xxxx 250 235 1538 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 240 1566 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 245 1594 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 250 1622 63.5 300 xxxx 250 255 1651 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 260 1679 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 265 1707 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 270 1735 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 275 1763 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 280 1792 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 285 1820 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 290 1848 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 295 1876 xxxx 300 xxxx 250 300 1904 83.0 300 99.9 250 ======================= Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator ------------------------------ Unit conversion Conventional units - SI units Chemistry Conversion Unit Prefix Conversion Calculator ------------------------------ SI Units for Clinical Data very big tabeConversion: to convert from the conventional unit to the SI unit, multiply by the conversion factor; to convert from the SI unit to the conventional unit, divide by the conversion factor. Estradiol pg/mL 3.671 pmol/L Estriol ng/mL 3.467 nmol/L Estrone ng/dL 37 pmoI/L Testosterone ng/dL 0.0347 nmol/L ------------------------------ Adrenal Labs - How to Interpret them *** Stop The Thyroid Madness :: View topic - *** Adrenal Labs - How to Interpret them *** Stop The Thyroid Madness » ADRENALS FAQ–the most frequently asked questions ------------------------------ |
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07-11-2007, 03:05 PM
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| Registered User | Dr Shippen Chart Link to (TT, SHBG, FreeT) chart http://www.andropause.org.uk/nomo_tas.pdf The Andropause Society Home ================================================== ==================== Dr Shippen Chart Testosterone Conversion Factor: pg/ml x 3.47 = pMol/L Androgen Deficiency in the Adult ... - Google Book Search This chart is from a book: Androgen Defficiency in the Adult Male causes, diagnosis and treatment by Malcom Carruthers printed by Taylor and Princes Group |
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07-11-2007, 06:53 PM
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| Registered User | Interesting....i applied my last two tests - used my shgb and TT and used this to calculate FreeT, and this chart resulted in almost 2x the Free t compared to my Quest results. |
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07-12-2007, 09:06 AM
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Was your FreeT assayed or calculated by Quest. There is at least two ways (probably more) to get number that is called FreeT. FreeT and BioAvailableT tests are notoriously inaccurate (grossly, over 200%). The chart is a fall-back way out of this confusion. Dr Shippen uses this chart (if that would help getting some confidence). The chart is 1999 vintage, made based on science of about 1990. To my knowledge there are at least two items that greatly influence results in rather uncontrolable ways; recently discovered duality of SHBG and fact that age of person being tested influences results. Wish Dr John had a time to discuss this issue. AnotherOldGuy, hopefully this issue will bother you enough so you will dig deeper, if you find anything helpfull and relevant please post it right here or open new thread. Not sure yet, but I think older guys are infueced more by this than younger whipper snappers. In this post Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Attention all those on Sub-q injections I have made attempt at calculating FreeT using internet provided calculator. Since results come widely scattered I no longer have confidence using it. age-associated Bio-T age-associated Bio-T | |
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07-22-2007, 11:29 AM
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| Registered User | My list for blood testing, long, for once/year testing. Latter will add shorter list, for 2-3/year corrective action, tweaks. Below are my ICD-9 codes that helps with insurance. Also place to buy syringes for Testosterone and HCG. (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request) Print from here down to the next blue text. 1 ----------- Chemistry Screen 2 ----------- Hepatic Function Panel (10256X) 3 ----------- kidney panel 4 ----------- VAP TM Cholesterol Test (10270X) 5 ----------- Comprehensive Metabolic Panel w/EGFR 6 ----------- CBC w/ diff/PLT 7 ----------- • Iodine Panel - (2503) 8 ----------- Selenium 9 ----------- Copper, serum 10 ----------- Zinc 11 ----------- Magnesium 12 ----------- Phosphate, serum 13 ----------- C-Reactive Protein (CRP), Highly Sensitive, CSF - (17401X) 14 ----------- Fibrinogen 15 ----------- Homocysteine, cardio 16 ----------- Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A) 17 ----------- • Iron and Iron Binding Capacity (7573X) - (356N) 18 ----------- • Iron, Total (571X) - (24984P) 19 ----------- • Ferritin (457X) - (22764P) 20 ----------- • Transferrin (891X) - (30346P) 21 ----------- • Folate, RBC & Hematocrit - (1768N) 22 ----------- • Hemoglobin A1c (496X) - (45484P) 23 ----------- • Hemoglobin, Plasma (514X) - (7211P) 24 ----------- VITAMIN SCREEN 25 ----------- VITAMIN B PANEL 2 - (9067) 26 ----------- VITAMIN D PANEL (5678X) 27 ----------- T3 Free 28 ----------- T4,Free 29 ----------- reverse T3 (rT3) 30 ----------- Ultrasensitive TSH 31 ----------- Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies (7260X) 32 ----------- Insuline, serum 33 ----------- PSA, Total 34 ----------- PSA, %, free 35 ----------- IGF Binding protein-3 36 ----------- IGF-1 37 ----------- Aldosterone 38 ----------- Cortisol AM/PM 39 ----------- DHEA sulfate 40 ----------- Prolactin 41 ----------- FSH 42 ----------- LH 43 ----------- Progesterone, LC/MS/MS 44 ----------- Pregnenolone 45 ----------- Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X) 46 ----------- Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X) 47 ----------- Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS) 48 ----------- Dihydrotestosterone (204X) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 250.00 250.01 255.4 783.9 257.2 272.4 601.9 780.4 780.79 788.41 253.3 255.8 End of list ==============================. (I modify this list as I learn about my preferences, if you follow this list, please check it shortly before you make test request) ICD9Data.com - Free 2007 ICD-9-CM Medical Coding Database 250.00 Diabetes mellitus without complication type ii or unspecified type not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.00 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type Ii Or Unspecified Type Not Stated As Uncontrolled 250.01 Diabetes mellitus without complication type i not stated as uncontrolled 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 250.01 - Diabetes Mellitus Without Complication Type I Not Stated As Uncontrolled 255.4 Corticoadrenal insufficiency 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.4 - Corticoadrenal Insufficiency 783.9 Other symptoms concerning nutrition metabolism and development 2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 783.9 - Other Symptoms Concerning Nutrition Metabolism And Development 257.2 Other testicular hypofunction 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 257.2 - Other Testicular Hypofunction 272.4 Other and unspecified hyperlipidemia 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 272.* - Disorders of lipoid metabolism 601.9 Prostatitis unspecified 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 601.* - Inflammatory diseases of prostate 780.4 Dizziness and giddiness 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.4 - Dizziness And Giddiness 780.79 Other malaise and fatigue 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 780.79 - Other Malaise And Fatigue 788.41 Urinary frequency 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 788.41 - Urinary Frequency 253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency 255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding - View Single Post - Adrenal fatigue, does it really exist? 255 Disorders of adrenal glands For coding adrenal fatigue, I just use the code for Other Specified Disorders of the Adrenal Glands - which I call Adrenal Fatigue 255.8 Other specified disorders of adrenal glands 2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 255.8 - Other Specified Disorders Of Adrenal Glands HGH and Insurance Coverage Dr. John 12-17-2006, 06:25 AM ICD-9 253.3 Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency ================================================== =================================== EstroEssence that I send for on Monday Oct1/2007 had the following ICD-9 codes 600.0 606.1 257.2 253.4 Genova Diagnostics EstroEssence The EstroEssence check the following 11 (eleven) indicators: Estrone (24hr urine)Male 3.00-12.00 mcg/24 hr Estradiol (24hr urine)Male1.50-6.00 mcg/24 hr Estriol (24hr urine)Male 3.00-28.50 mcg/24 hr 2-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.26-13.68 mcg/24 hr 2-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.34-9.03 mcg/24 hr 16α-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.25-7.89 mcg/24 hr 4-Hydroxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.33-1.95 mcg/24 hr 4-Methoxyestrone (24hr urine) 0.40 0.20-1.60 mcg/24 hr 2-Hydroxyestrone/16α-Hydroxestrone Ratio (24hr urine)0.94-1.56 Ratio 2-Methoxyestrone/2-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.11-4.00 Ratio 4-Methoxyestrone /4-Hydroxyestrone Ratio (24hr urine) 0.18-3.60 Ratio ================================================== ======================= Tests good for fishing out possible problems: Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) 2.0 GDX Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis Genova Diagnostics |
