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    Try swai (it's a type of shark), it's cheap and meaty, and when soaked in lemon juice in the fridge for an hour or two, it doesn't taste fishy at all after it's cooked. Just one idea.

    You have to get your diet in check or you're doomed. There are tons of threads on diet and meal ideas.

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    [UPDATE] – AND I NEED YOUR HELP!

    Ok. So I took Super DMZ 2.0 with LMG. Man do I feel messed up at the moment. I do not know what is going on with myself. I have had several problems and I am not sure what it is. I will list a few to see what you guys think.

    1. After a few weeks off I hit the GYM a little bit and had almost whole body muscle cramps that were severe I mean to the point where I had to take an ICE bath; muscle relaxer bath; put soothing lotion on my muscles; and take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.
    2. Joints and arms hurt; mainly in my wrist and elbows but sometimes in my back. I think mainly in my wrist and elbows because of my video game addiction problem in the past but just seems to have gotten worse; and from my back from starting to play golf a lot; I have been swinging hard and often.
    3. I think I do have a form of IBS though that is always at bay; hasn’t acted up in a while but thought I would just note that.
    4. One thing I did want to mention is that I think I severely over trained. I do remember being on SDZ and my arms feeling like they were going to explode. I work out some of my body way to hard and did not spread works out around to different muscle groups like I should of. I latterly had to stop working out my arms because I could barely move them they felt so thick.
    5. I have been taking pro-hormones off and on for years since like 25. I am wondering if I did any major damage to myself? I do not notice anything major; just the fact that for example my color bone hurts always when I do dips. Like my bones are not strong enough to hold my upper body. I did have a bird chest growing up for the longest time and even my dad made fun of me. That is why I worked out so hard for so long. I was naturally around 135 lbs. and now I can’t get under 185 lbs. I am just wondering if I am bigger than my bones can support; and if I am how do I fix this because I think I am all muscle and can’t lose the weight?
    6. Even joints in my hands; fingers; and right toe and foot seem to easily hurt. I thought I might have some kind of rudimentary arthritis but I told the Doctor what I thought I had and when he did blood work he said that they didn’t find anything.
    7. When I had it bad the muscle jerks at night I had heat flashes and sometimes sweating but I do not have any of that now; the only thing I have now is muscle twitching at night if it happens. I really feel like I damaged some nerves somewhere and they need some time to heal. My question is how long does it take or do nerves even heal if you have overtrained for like a couple of years?
    8. [MAIN PROBLEM] Sleeping. This goes off and on it is so weird. I get these weird muscle twitches like jerks that only happen when I’m trying to go to sleep. It will come and go; like one time it lasted for a week and I went to the Doctor and had blood work done and he said everything was fine; and it finally went a way for a while. Then like a month later or sooner it will pop in and hit me again and mess up my whole sleep schedule and I can’t sleep at all. Then after a few days it goes away. I do not think I proper PCT at all for this cycle and I am afraid that I messed something up. There was one time however that it was acting up and I started talking Revolution PCT and it fixed it. Then just last night I took Revolution PCT; Pure TEST; Cycle Assists and 300 MG of Magnesium; and it happened again. I also worked out very mildly a couple hours before bed and half a beer only early that day. I haven’t been drinking at all. When I wake up I feel great; walk around no problem; go to school; nothing noticeable. My elbows feel a little wore out and so do my wrists; but that’s it.

    Guys I could really use your help. I have really bad health insurance. I can go to the Doctor up to 5 times per year and only up to 500 dollars per visit. I already used two for my foot and one for the blood test. I do not know what to do? I have never had this sleeping problem before when taking pro hormones. I do not know if it is Super DMZ or just finally all these pro hormones finally caught up to me. Is this healable or has anyone else had this problem?

    *I did take some OxyElite the DMAA version for a while and did not like that. Maybe a couple of weeks.

    Here is what I am taking off and on trying to figure out the right dose to give me sleep:

    Finaflex PureTest
    Finaflex Revolution PCT
    Tribulus Raw Power
    Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist
    Natural Vitality Natural Calm [Been taking this every night]

    Sometimes I take at random times:

    Osteo Bi-Flex [I think this one could be a problem]
    GNC Maximum Greens
    Flintstone Vitamins
    Equate One Daily Men’s
    Equate Calcium 500+D
    Echinacea
    Vitamin C 1000MG

    Thinking about taking to see if it helps:

    Phenibut
    Lift Mode 5HTP

    I know that some of you guys are going to say that you are on too much stuff. Well sometimes I come completely off of everything for like a couple of months and eventually the sleep muscle twitches come back. The only other thing I can think of is that I have very low testosterone at the moment. Last time I had trouble sleeping I took Revolution PCT and Magnesium and I sleep like a baby for a long time.

    The only other trigger could be

    Gold Standard Whey and the amino acids in it. I had a small protein shake before I went to bed a few hours earlier and had a huge dinner. O wait that might have a problem as well. I had dinner at like 9:00 PM and went to be at 10. But how could that cause muscle twitching.

    Also my dad says he only need about 5-6 hours of sleep. I could be over sleeping. I try to get 9 to 12.

    Also I think I might have some anxiety because I am use to making six figures and working 12 hours a day. I did that for 10 years of my life. Now I am a poor college student which my wife takes care of me. I wonder if this could be psychology as well.

    There was a time when I had Amino Acids 2222 and Gold standard Whey Protein that was expired and the lid was not sealed tight. I had they for a little while; wonder if my body had toxic amino acids for a while and now reacts to them?

    Well I slept great for the past few weeks. The only thing I did different was work out a little late by very easily; not hard. Eat a late dinner. Had a half of a beer; and maybe mix cycle assist with Revolution PCT and pure test before I went to bed. And had a small protein shake before dinner.

    Also do you think I could have over trained because my body just feels like it needs a lot of rest? I worked out tri-ceps like a week and a half ago mildly and they still hurt today; pretty bad. I think I need a long break. And if I do need a long break how do I work out so I don’t lose everything even though I am injured. I just feel like a lot of my muscle are injured.

    Summary Questions:

    1. I know this is a lot. I was just hoping someone could shed some light on all of this.
    2. Please advise me on what to do or if there is anything I can do.
    3. Also I do not have very good insurance pretty much if any so I am relying on you guys.
    4. Please help me.

    Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope you have a wonderful day. Please help!

    Best,
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    You need to get off everything and bring our body back to homeostasis. Your body doesn't know what's right from wrong

    There are alot of very bright people on here but none are Dr's
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    Stop self medicating via supplementation. Go see your doctor if you are honestly concerned for your health and well being. Just take a break from all the **** and stop cycling prohormones.
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    @Everyone

    I am going to stop from all of this stuff for sure. Any ideas before I see my Doc again. He is going to think I am crazy because I already saw him just a few months ago. He did blood work and said I was fine.

    Man thank you so much for your reply. I really really appreciate it.

    1. What is CNS? What is the term?
    2. If my endocrine and immune system is severely abused; is this healable? If I take it easy and relax will this go back to 100 percent or did I do some permanent damage?
    3. Private Med Labs; that sounds really cool. I do have my results from my Doctor. It’s like 10 pages; I think the first two summarize everything. Should I post that? Or just better to get Private Med Lags one? Also what kind of one should I get?
    4. Should I get a detox system and then get my blood work done or get blood work done then detox? Do you recommended a very good detox system? Like off of Amazon or something?
    5. Sleeping situation; if I take those products; and calm myself down; will I ever return to normal without taking something or did I permanently hurt myself?

    I do not think anything is permanently wrong. Because all during the day I feel fine. Just either sore muscles or joints. I do feel my immune system is off because I am suddenly allergic to dogs and cats. But nothing major wrong throughout the day; I can play golf; pay attention in school. Just seems like if I work out or try to sleep my system feels it.

    Bottom line do you think I have a good chance to pull through after detox; or did I permanently damage something like a nerve or something? Is this somewhat common at all?
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    Dude... You have to quit all the self medicating and looking to supplements to fix your problems.

    In my experience having a f-ed up childhood and dragging a bunch of stress and crap around most of my life caused the majority of my problems. In other words, most of it is in your head. Get your mind right and learn how to use your imagination again and watch your life change before your very eyes.

    There are plenty of free resources out there, like guided audio meditation/visualization techniques that can be a solid place to start in lieu of finding a professional to work with. I can direct you towards a few if you like.

    In the meantime, get all the crap out of your supplement cabinet. Read up on sleep hygiene. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that there are no good supps (I use GABA+5-HTP+melatonin+cal mag powder for sleep, fish oil, creatine, and protein powder for convenience) but your mind and body need a break.

    Training wise, do something time tested and simple that you don't have to think about. Like Doug Hepburn routine A. Or any Doug Hepburn routine for that matter.

    Eat plenty of meat (a variety), veggies (veggie smoothies rock), and fat, and skip the starches mostly.

    Seriously, get some help for your mind. Learn stress management skills.

    Eat whole foods and train like Doug Hepburn.

    And on both fronts, above all develop the habit of CONSISTENCY! This free, wonder "supplement" will pay more long term dividends than any pill, powder, or magic potion. Small progressions over time lead to huge gains in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterNix View Post
    Dude... You have to quit all the self medicating and looking to supplements to fix your problems.

    In my experience having a f-ed up childhood and dragging a bunch of stress and crap around most of my life caused the majority of my problems. In other words, most of it is in your head. Get your mind right and learn how to use your imagination again and watch your life change before your very eyes.

    There are plenty of free resources out there, like guided audio meditation/visualization techniques that can be a solid place to start in lieu of finding a professional to work with. I can direct you towards a few if you like.

    In the meantime, get all the crap out of your supplement cabinet. Read up on sleep hygiene. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that there are no good supps (I use GABA+5-HTP+melatonin+cal mag powder for sleep, fish oil, creatine, and protein powder for convenience) but your mind and body need a break.

    Training wise, do something time tested and simple that you don't have to think about. Like Doug Hepburn routine A. Or any Doug Hepburn routine for that matter.

    Eat plenty of meat (a variety), veggies (veggie smoothies rock), and fat, and skip the starches mostly.

    Seriously, get some help for your mind. Learn stress management skills.

    Eat whole foods and train like Doug Hepburn.

    And on both fronts, above all develop the habit of CONSISTENCY! This free, wonder "supplement" will pay more long term dividends than any pill, powder, or magic potion. Small progressions over time lead to huge gains in the long run.
    ^^^ great advice!!
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    And oh yeah take a break from training for a couple weeks. Get a massage-seriously! My wife is an uber-skilled LMT and I can't speak highly enough for the benefits of regular massage from a qualified therapist. Massage should never, ever, under any circumstances cause pain. If it does, tell the therapist to stop.

    Take epsom salt baths too. A good cal mag powder may help with soreness and will definitely improve sleep. I like Natural Calm, and it is reasonably priced at Swanson.

    Skip the detox products, they're just overpriced laxatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterNix View Post
    And oh yeah take a break from training for a couple weeks. Get a massage-seriously! My wife is an uber-skilled LMT and I can't speak highly enough for the benefits of regular massage from a qualified therapist. Massage should never, ever, under any circumstances cause pain. If it does, tell the therapist to stop.

    Take epsom salt baths too. A good cal mag powder may help with soreness and will definitely improve sleep. I like Natural Calm, and it is reasonably priced at Swanson.

    Skip the detox products, they're just overpriced laxatives.
    I agree with you. Both my husband and I have been taking Natural Calm for 7 months and it has helped us both to sleep better and lower our stress levels. I always tell people about it!
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    Damn straight! Man I needed that. Thank You! Also sure I’ll take whatever sites you have on meditation.

    I do think a massage would really help because my muscles all over my body seem rock hard. I am not sure if that is natural or not.
    @michelle82

    I do take Natural Calm as well; I think it does wonders. Just last night it did not work but I think I took to much other stuff as well like the cycles assist; pure test; and revolution pct. I think all of that was too much.

    Yes he is giving great advice thank you!
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    For the audio meditation stuff, I have been digging the Silva Method. You'll likely have to subscribe to their newsletter, but they have some free audio downloads on their site.

    It can be a journey to find the approach that clicks for you, but IMHO the Silva system is a good one. Check it out!
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    UPDATE:

    Ok I might have found something. Last night my head was raised and I was not flat on my back. When I got flat on my back the spasms went away. Right now I just got home from hitting some golf balls real hard and my middle back start to hurt I think from straining. I went to start taking a nap and of course I felt some spasms. I had a pillow under my head and was lifted up. When I took the pillow away and lay flat they subsided I believe.

    I wonder if I have injured a nerve or have a pinched nerve or something. I do not have major pain when normal walking or hanging around; but if I hit a couple of large buckets of golf balls pretty hard I have some major pain in my rear center back.

    I wonder since my joints have been all sucked up and dry and I did not do a proper PCT I am feeling all sore and weak.
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    [UPDATE]

    I just had a great night sleep again; no problems. I used no pillow and put muscle relaxer cream on my back. The only thing I took was Natural Calm Magnesium Supplement before bed. I really feel it has something to do with a sore back; nothing major just need rest. I hope this is the case but I could be wrong.

    Also here are my labs.
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    I'm tellin you bro, get a massage. Think about getting an adjustment as well. Maybe stick to yoga for a solid month or 2 to balance out any compensations you have developed from all the time on the driving range.

    And you should really check out "Original Strength" by Geoff Neupert and Tim Anderson. For the longest time I'v had an obnoxious tightness that produces a skull shaking thunk from my atlas/c1, I've been using OS for about 2 months now and just noticed last night that the clunk/click from that area is gone.
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    [UPDATE]

    I got another great night sleep! Not sure why but something is working! YEA!
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    The PCT you took is for very mild PH's; it was definitely not made for DMZ or LMG. You should have had clomid, nolva or Torem as a base instead. Seek medical help.
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    Seek medical help? How? Do I just order a proper PCT and take that to get back on track? Normal Doctor is not going to subscribe me clomid.
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    Don't compare yourself to others, theres always someone bigger, better and stronger. Look at what you've accomplished and what you would look like if you stopped all together. The only one you are competing with is you. Work at getting a little better each and every year. Be thankful for what you have, genetic wise. You already look better than 90% of the worlds population.
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    Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by needspractice View Post
    @Jiigzz

    Seek medical help? How? Do I just order a proper PCT and take that to get back on track? Normal Doctor is not going to subscribe me clomid.
    Without bloods I can't say for sure, but you took 2 compounds and ran an improper PCT. This is why we have this forum , so you can ask questions on cycles and if your PCT is sufficient. PCT black is meant and developed for Finaflex's mild PH/ DHEA lines not something that is as strong in potency as M1T or Superdrol.

    Next time, research more.
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    Did you get hormone panel done? Do you know what your test levels are currently?
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    I have not run blood again because I am poor. I am guessing my levels are just like they were before. Still low but livable.
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    I feel much better and I am sleeping amazingly!
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    I knew I always give great advice.
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    Morning Back Pain – Should I Spend Money?

    Hello Everyone,

    I know there is so much out there on back pain; but I have a tough money question. I am a returning college student with not a whole lot of money. I am 33 year old male is I would say good shape. I work out decently and have a nice physique.

    My problem is that one time I went to a golf pro shop and spent 4 hours smacking the golf ball as hard as I could almost too where I had a small pain in my chest and it was hard to breathe for a split second. And if I couldn’t get more stupid I went the next day and did it again. I had to choose a golf club for a class so that is why I pushed myself. I know that was kind of stupid.

    After like a month I thought I healed up and then went and played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possibly could for like 3 hours. I would throw it farther than anyone else. I guess I could have been showing off like an idiot.

    Well I was working out moderately hard for a while in the gym during all this and never felt any burst of pain really. The only thing that I noticed was a small pinch like pain when I would be watching TV. So then I decided to go to a Chiropractor and he solved that but he noticed that my spine was just slight to the right and my shoulders were a little uneven; but absolutely nothing major going on. This was the first time I ever went to a Chiropractor and it was literally insane. I thought he was going to kill me because I never heard my bones crack like that before and my neck.

    I think it might have been a littler before the Chiropractor that only in the morning when I wake up I would notice a pain right in the middle of my upper back between my shoulder blades; one time the pain moved to the right of my shoulder blade but that went away. Now all that is left is this ongoing pain in the middle of my back that I cannot for the life of me locate. It’s like it’s the long muscle in my back that go from top to bottom of your back and very close to my spine. I would say mid shoulder to mid back but not upper shoulder or lower back.

    It is so weird because during the day I feel absolutely great with no back pain at all; even playing Disc Golf or exercising; it is only right after I wake up and while I am still laying down. Pretty much as soon as I wake up everything is fantastic.

    Only other weird thing is I feel like my ear is ringing on my right ear when I sleep on my right side. This also goes away completely when I get up or move around.

    Doctor’s Office:

    I have been to my Doctor several times with this. I have had several X-Rays; nothing bruised on my skin or anything obvious; blood work done for immune system and anything out of the ordinary. I have taken muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatory’s but they are all temporary relief. Seems like the pain comes back. My Doctor is just saying it is like a pulled or sore muscle or something but just seems strange that something so small could cause so much discomfort in the morning.

    Solutions:

    My dad has celiac disease but I do not but I read an article about how maybe you could not have the disease but a precursor of it somehow. I do have a lot of joint pain right now like in my Big Toe; Wrist; Neck and sometimes elbow. I have had all these X-Rayed and blood work done to see any causes and nothing major is going on.

    Here is the Article excerpt:

    Remove gluten from your diet. Recent studies have shown that some people may have non-celiac disease gluten sensitivity and if so, that may trigger a systemic immune response which can keep joints irritated. This wasn’t too challenging for me since I already didn’t eat breads, pastas, refined grains in general but gluten, as you may know, is in a LOT of foods – like beef jerky for one. Remove gluten for thirty days and pay attention to how you feel. For me, it helped. If after thirty days you feel better then you can always titrate some back into your diet to find your threshold if you want to.

    I am lost at this point:

    My main question is that do I put spend money I really do not have on a new bed and pillow with a mattress topper or am I just getting old and have to deal with an aching back and joint pain. Or could I possibly change my diet to a gluten free diet which will be like darn like impossible.

    I have heard from people’s reviews that they have had much success in changing out the mattress. And I am not even sure where the one that I am sleeping on came from. It’s a Cali-King and seems nice but a little old.

    I have great Health Insurance. It just doesn’t seem like the Doctors have the answers except Med up or go to a PT. I wish there was more information out there on this.

    Solutions:

    1. Change Mattress
    2. Change Pillow
    3. Change Mattress Topper
    4. Gluten Free Diet
    5. Deal with it because you are getting older … Its life …

    Anything help would be greatly appreciated. Please leave your comments below. Thank You!




    Update:

    Last night I was able to get 9 hours of sleep somehow. I did wake up at exactly 2:30 A.M. which happens a lot because I think my body clock is off with all of this going on but I was able to go back to bed and I woke up at 9:00 A.M. after going to bed at 12:00 A.M.

    The difference this time was that we actually found a full body pillow that was in a bag somewhere from a long time ago. The one that literally wraps all around you. I used that last night and I think the difference was I did not sleep on my stomach and I did not toss and turn. Only around 9:00 did my back start to ache a little bit and force me out of bed and I began to toss and turn around the same time as well.

    I wanted to know exactly where the pain is coming from because it feels like sometimes it could be coming from my Spine or right rib or muscles near my spine. It is so hard to find exactly where.

    I have a FOAM roller which I get on sometimes to gauge where the pain is coming from. I did it a little differently this time.

    I put the edge of the FOAM roller in the middle of my back where the pain is and let my butt down and my chest arch up. I would definitely say this helped me isolated the pain to about 4 to 7 inches right along my spine. I could definitely feel the pain in the morning when I do this. I will move like an inch up or down and see if the pain is focused in that area. I would say when I get to my upper shoulders and neck there is zero pain and when I get to my lower back there is zero pain. It only seems to originate like to the top half of my back; like my back is too heavy for itself or something. Or it seems like a computer sitting down problem like I am arched or something over something for a long period and my back is just fed up with all of this. Also the sports injuries probably put it over the top I think.

    All I know is that the pain seems to be coming from the Spine or the muscles directly around the spine; but I think it’s the spine. I am almost thinking that whatever the Chiropractor did actually made things worse but I could be wrong. I never heard that kind of cracking before. It’s about a 4 – 7 inch radio directly up and down when I get on the foam roller and it does hurt; but only in the morning or if I get on the foam roller in that exact position. As I am typing this there is no pain in my back.

    Just wanted to update everyone. I hope someone knows what this is. I will be going to an orthopedic doctor soon but I am guessing that he will not be able to conclude anything either. Just seems sad.

    Please comment with any help or guidance.




    I have an appointment set up with a orthopedic surgeon who specializes in sports injuries. I believe this all started from driving the golf ball to hard; and playing Disc Golf to hard.

    The strangest thing is why is the pain isolated to after I sleep for a while and I do not feel a thing while moving around or sitting down. Just like this morning I felt the pain in my middle back during the wake up process. Soon as I got up and started moving around it was gone. I did again get on the foam roller on the edge long side not rolling it just dipping my back over one side of the end and I could isolate the pain. I am guessing that my back is somehow compressed by my ribs or the way I am sleeping and my back is getting pressure over night for hours at a time.

    My only confusion is that why is this happening to me at 33? I would think this would be normal at 63. I mean its not like I could of injured myself this hard. It's not like I dropped a refrigerator on my back or played football, or did something so bad that its like yea your hurt. I mean this is just weird.

    Is 30+ the age you start getting aches and pains?
    Will this heal?
    Is there a serious back brace I can wear while I am sleeping so no compression happens while I sleep?
    I fear when I go to the Doctor he will not succeed in helping me but I hope so.
    Any other ideas?




    911! Please Help!

    This is so weird. Seems like some nights I have great sleep with no morning pain and some nights I do. This morning being one of them.

    Basically in the morning I just feel this mild pain in my back right in the middle. And when I get up it goes away. However I have noticed that if I lean back in a hard chair like kind of bend over it backwards I can feel the soreness in my spine or muscles right in the middle where my back curves over the chair.

    Also I did the FOAM roller again and put my back on the tough edge on my back and could feel the soreness right on my spine or muscles next to my spine.

    I am beginning to think it is my spine.

    I have an apt. with an orthopedic doctor on the 27th of March.

    I still have yet to find a Physical Therapist; I will be doing that as soon as possible.

    Can anyone please help with this? I think I have had this pain for 6 months to a year. I think it started from a golfing or disc golf injury. Is this something I will have to deal with for the rest of my life or will it ever heal?

    I do not remember ever majoring injury my back; it’s not like I broke it or anything…

    Anyone have any ideas?

    Update! Good and Bad News!

    Ok I slept decent last night.

    The one thing I did different was that I used a TENS unit for two separate 15 minute sessions.

    My wife located the spots on my back right near my spine but sometimes I swear the spots are right on my spine. She put her elbow on my back while I was lying down. It is in the same middle part of my back and I can feel it if I lean back and over a chair like I am stretching only if I am having an ache day.

    Anyhow after locating the spot again with my wife and the foam roller before I went to bed and while watching a show I did the TENS unit for 15 minutes and then readjusted the placement and did it another 15 minutes and there was no morning pain.

    I learned this technique from the Chiropractor because that is what they used on me. The just did it during the day and not at night. I have several TENS units because I hurt myself a long time ago and bought like 4 or 5 of them.

    My wife says it’s deep in my muscle because she cannot just get at it it’s like she has to press really hard.

    The only thing that freaked me out was that I have two like bruises on my back. I worked out decently hard at the gym doing a lot of chest exercises on the bench. I don’t ever recalling being easily bruised by working out at the gym. The bruises are not black or blue or yellow or anything just like rub brownish marks from the bench rubbing.

    I am just concerned because why are my ribs aching; back hurting and my back is easily bruising?

    I mean if this is what getting old is all about this sucks.

    I have an appointment with my primary doctor today at 2:00 and an sports orthopedic doctor later this month. I still have yet to line up a Physical therapist but I will do that asap.

    I have not work out chest probably decently since my suppose injury last august but still I would think I would not bruise that easily. Also why am I so weak? I mean I can lift normal things like groceries and stuff but benching pressing is like really hard for me. It has always been hard but I just seem a lot weaker.


    To tell you the truth I think a lot of this is in my head. I just do not know what to do. I wish I could just move on with my life and live it like I use to never looking back! I use to do some much fun things and now I feel like I worry to much.

    Help!

    Sleep Has Been Destroyed! Pain: Sub Conscious? Anxiety?

    For the past 6 months my sleep routine has been destroyed. The only thing that I can think of is when I started having back pain only while sleeping. I have no back pain when walking around doing stuff but only in the morning when I wake up. Once every few days or weeks it seems like a can get a full night sleep in I am lucky but lately it has been where I wake up at 2:00 then 4:00 then 6:00 and then finally 8:00 or 9:00. Seems like I sleep a little better right at the end because I am probably exhausted from all the stress of trying to go to sleep.

    History:

    A year and a half ago a played around with some GNC products like pro-hormones and stuff and worked out a lot. Been off of that for a while now. I worked out pretty hard. After coming off of that I use to jerk when falling asleep and freaked out. Thought I had something major but probably my muscles where just coming off of exhaustion. Went to the Doctors and had blood work done and he check me out and gave me a physical and said everything was fine.

    About nine months ago I needed a club to play golf so I went to golf pro shop and swung a club for 4 hours straight and I believe hurt my back. I swung pretty hard for a while. And believe it or not I did it the next day as well; to the point where I had a hard time breathing for a second. I know I am an idiot. I stopped everything and chilled. Maybe only driving range stuff after that.

    Relaxed for a while then played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possible could about six months ago. Played for about 4 hours throwing the disc incredibly hard. Idiot again.

    Penalties:

    Well low and behold now I am having back problems only when I sleep and in the morning. But it seems more than that. I do not know if I created a mental loop in my mind but I cannot get a decent nights rest.

    I have gone to the Doctor again and have had multiple x-rays done and bloods tests taken. Everything came back fine.

    The pain is only in the morning and there is zero pain during the day.

    Here is an excerpt of a back pain post that I created to fill you in.

    Morning Back Pain – Should I Spend Money?

    Hello Everyone,

    I know there is so much out there on back pain; but I have a tough money question. I am a returning college student with not a whole lot of money. I am 33 year old male is I would say good shape. I work out decently and have a nice physique.

    My problem is that one time I went to a golf pro shop and spent 4 hours smacking the golf ball as hard as I could almost too where I had a small pain in my chest and it was hard to breathe for a split second. And if I couldn’t get more stupid I went the next day and did it again. I had to choose a golf club for a class so that is why I pushed myself. I know that was kind of stupid.

    After like a month I thought I healed up and then went and played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possibly could for like 3 hours. I would throw it farther than anyone else. I guess I could have been showing off like an idiot.

    Well I was working out moderately hard for a while in the gym during all this and never felt any burst of pain really. The only thing that I noticed was a small pinch like pain when I would be watching TV. So then I decided to go to a Chiropractor and he solved that but he noticed that my spine was just slight to the right and my shoulders were a little uneven; but absolutely nothing major going on. This was the first time I ever went to a Chiropractor and it was literally insane. I thought he was going to kill me because I never heard my bones crack like that before and my neck.

    I think it might have been a littler before the Chiropractor that only in the morning when I wake up I would notice a pain right in the middle of my upper back between my shoulder blades; one time the pain moved to the right of my shoulder blade but that went away. Now all that is left is this ongoing pain in the middle of my back that I cannot for the life of me locate. It’s like it’s the long muscle in my back that go from top to bottom of your back and very close to my spine. I would say mid shoulder to mid back but not upper shoulder or lower back.

    It is so weird because during the day I feel absolutely great with no back pain at all; even playing Disc Golf or exercising; it is only right after I wake up and while I am still laying down. Pretty much as soon as I wake up everything is fantastic.

    Only other weird thing is I feel like my ear is ringing on my right ear when I sleep on my right side. This also goes away completely when I get up or move around.

    Doctor’s Office:

    I have been to my Doctor several times with this. I have had several X-Rays; nothing bruised on my skin or anything obvious; blood work done for immune system and anything out of the ordinary. I have taken muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatory’s but they are all temporary relief. Seems like the pain comes back. My Doctor is just saying it is like a pulled or sore muscle or something but just seems strange that something so small could cause so much discomfort in the morning.

    Solutions:

    My dad has celiac disease but I do not but I read an article about how maybe you could not have the disease but a precursor of it somehow. I do have a lot of joint pain right now like in my Big Toe; Wrist; Neck and sometimes elbow. I have had all these X-Rayed and blood work done to see any causes and nothing major is going on.

    Here is the Article excerpt:

    Remove gluten from your diet. Recent studies have shown that some people may have non-celiac disease gluten sensitivity and if so, that may trigger a systemic immune response which can keep joints irritated. This wasn’t too challenging for me since I already didn’t eat breads, pastas, refined grains in general but gluten, as you may know, is in a LOT of foods – like beef jerky for one. Remove gluten for thirty days and pay attention to how you feel. For me, it helped. If after thirty days you feel better then you can always titrate some back into your diet to find your threshold if you want to.

    I am lost at this point:

    Anything help would be greatly appreciated. Please leave your comments below. Thank You!

    Update:

    Now after reading all of this what do you propose? I have been to the Doctors and they do not have the answers. Do I just chalk it up to getting old? I am only 33. I use to play pretty hard but I do not think I destroyed my body or did I?

    I am going back to school and I do know school and no job is stressing me out. But can it be creating this much havoc?

    All I know is that I am kind of afraid to go to sleep and it’s a real problem. I have some pain relievers and muscles relaxers but I do not really care for them.

    I just know that my sleep is absolutely horrible and it is not like it used to be where I could fall asleep like a baby and get 9 to 10 hours a sleep and nothing could wake me up. What in the world happened? I feel like I was just sleeping like this not too long ago.

    Please help me any way you can! Please leave comments below!
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    You are right, it is all in hour head. The Chiro is a good idea, and if you feel like you had more pain shortly after you went, I am surprised he didn't tell you you might be sore for a day or two afterwards, which is normal.

    Secondly, you have to realize when you go to the golf range or Frisbee course, you probably don't loosen up, and if you haven't made those movements in a long time, your muscles are going to hurt, for a while. Especially if you exert yourself the way you describe. Its no different than not being at the gym for a couple months, then going balls to the wall on your first workout back. Its stupid and your body will hate you for a week. You will hurt in places you didn't know existed. That's the result of going all out and not having those muscles in shape to do that. I had been working back in the gym for the last 3 months and not having much muscle soreness using a 5x5 starting strength program. Then I took 6 weeks off due to working out of town for 4 and 2 weeks out of town on vacation. Monday was my first day back and all I did was a few sets of lat pull downs, some chest press on a machine, hammer strength shoulder presses. Let me tell you might upper body is tight as a drum and hurts 24/7. I can't wait for a couple more weeks to get back to where I don't hurt so much after lifting, but it requires acclimating your body and making progression, not going for broke on your first day.

    I'm almost 37 and have aches and pains when I wake up also. Your body will contort itself in crazy ways while asleep, and it sucks when you wake up. Not much you can do about it but stretch out when you get up and ease into the day. You even said you are fine as day goes on. As far as muscle twitching and what not at night, make sure you stay hydrated all day. When I do low Carb diets, I tend to get spasms in random spots. Its bound to be related to lower than usual nutrients, such as potassium and possibly sodium. Maybe have some sort of electrolyte drink in the evening as well.

    You definitely have issues in your head. You might see someone for mental help as opposed to physical. If you keep going in circles in your mind about things and worry excessively about things, I would start there.

    Btw, how tall are you and what's your weight? Your pic doesn't look like a scrawny bird chest body type so keep at it. Quit taking supps except for maybe a protein powder and fish oils.
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    As for bruising on your back from benching, its normal. I get it from benching, and on my traps when I use a hack squat machine. Its no big deal so stop worrying about it. Your rib muscles are probably sore from overloading of the heavy chest workout. Its also normal. Lifting weights causes sore muscles. Its part of it. It doesn't mean anything is wrong. As long as you don't have a joint that has grinding or you feel other bones grinding, don't sweat it.

    The tens units are good for recovery so keep using them. The recovery part is where you grow and once you get a decent program to lessen the duration of soreness, then you can keep on a bit sooner and you won't hate life being stiff as a board and sore.
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    9-10 hours of sleep must be nice, I get 6-7 a night and wake up at least once because of the dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by needspractice View Post
    Hey Everyone,I am 32; 200 LBs; and just coming off of some supplements. Ihave been working out hard off and on for a few years and I just keep gettingpissed. I want to look like the big guys at the GYM and I never get close. GuysI just think is my Genetics. I do not think I have it in me to be as BIG asthose guys in the gym. I am about to throw in the towel once again.Wouldn’t you agree based on the picture? Hopeless right?Best,NeedspracticeAttachment 83189
    If you want to be truly big like the guys in the gym you have to use steroids. In my opinion you are better off the size you are now. To much Excess weight is pointless and not worth carrying around. It serves no purpose. You will feel better at the size you are now
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    I can't view pictures on here for some reason but what I do know is this......

    Don't stop now!!!!! you have obviously put in time just keep plugging away everyday you get closer and closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by needspractice View Post
    Hey Everyone,

    I am 32; 200 LBs; and just coming off of some supplements. Ihave been working out hard off and on for a few years and I just keep gettingpissed. I want to look like the big guys at the GYM and I never get close. GuysI just think is my Genetics. I do not think I have it in me to be as BIG asthose guys in the gym. I am about to throw in the towel once again.

    Wouldn’t you agree based on the picture? Hopeless right?

    Best,
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    Looks like you have a decent body to start with.
    Just focus all your efforts on one goal at a time.
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    UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!

    Ok I know these two things for sure.

    1. I drank a lot last night which I do not normally do but occasionally I do and had absolutely no back pain in the evening or in the morning.
    2. When I use the TENS unit before bed I have no back pain in the morning

    I believe this is definitely muscle related because if it was bone or bulging disc or something I believe alcohol and TENS unit would not be able to cover the pain up. I mean it has always been a mild nagging pain only in the morning when I wake up; and sometimes when I move to the couch which seems way more comfortable it feels better.

    I am still seeing a Doctor on Friday about my back again and hopefully going for a MRI after that. Then I have another appointment with a sports orthopedic on the 26TH. We’ll see what happens there.

    I still need to find a good Physical Therapist; just hard to find one on my health care plan.

    Remember I have been to the doctor several times about this and have had X-Rays and Blood Work done to reveal nothing. My PCP Doctor definitely believes it is muscle related. I am just thinking it is a deep muscle tear in my back or something very close to my spine on the right side; so close that I think it is my spine sometimes!

    Please keep me updated everyone on any ideas you might have to help me on my journey to recovery.
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    Elevated IGA from Celiac Disease Test. I do not have Celiac Disease…

    Hello Everyone,

    I have a curious question. What essentially is Elevated IGA? I have look all around google and there is not much information on it.

    Let me tell you my story…

    I went to an Endocrinologist to check on my testosterone because I am 33. I told him I was feeling okay maybe not the best so he did complete blood work on me. I did tell him that my Father was recently diagnosed with Celiac Disease so he went ahead and ran that as well.

    Long story short … the endocrinologist said that everything was perfect on me except that my IGA was elevated. His nurse at first gave me a call and said that this is probably no big deal and he just wants me to see a specialist. I was not understanding her so she just had the Doctor call me. He said that he had no idea what this mean and that “I would just not ignore it” kind of hinting that this could be a big deal.

    So then he refers me to a hematologist. I am like sure okay, and then I call the office and it is like, hello thanks for calling the Cancer Center … I was like what??? I have cancer now?

    So then the next day I went to my Primary Doctor and he did a blood test on me little under a year ago also test for Celiac Disease. I did not have those results but I got them today. They showed that I had elevated IGA and he didn’t even bother telling me about it. He was like it didn’t excite me; I guess meaning no big deal. He said IGA is such a basic protein to the system that it is just not that important. Only when levels are low is when people start getting concerned. His blood test just like the last blood test came back perfectly fine, literally everything else, the last blood work was like 1500 bucks, they must have had a field day checking on that IGA levels or something.

    I guess the Endocrinologist was wondering how someone would have elevated IGA and not have Celiac. He did confess that he had no idea what this meant and wanted me to see a specialist. It is just the way he told me that it sounded important and that he scared me a little bit. Also the fact that when you call the Hematologist they answer the phone Cancer line how may I help you…

    Anxiety. I think I really have anxiety I think. My doctor just prescribed me Lexapro. I have been acting such like a Hypochondriac and have been having multiple high level stressors in my life like going back to college, moving, marriage, in-laws, and not working.

    I could have sworn I read somewhere that high IGA could be caused by Anxiety and or allergies to which I have both to where I am living at the moment. I have a lot of anxiety and there are dogs and cats where I live and when I touch one I break out in hives. Also my skin seems to be a lot more sensitive than it used to be like when I work out at the gym and sometimes I will get marks on where I press too hard on stuff. Like one time I was bent pressing and got a couple of bruises on my back that went away, and recently I just did calves raises and had some heavy weight on my shoulders have very slight red line bruise so small doesn’t seem like a big deal but just doesn’t seem like this use to ever happen before.

    My Doctor says that I cannot lower my IGA. What if my IGA gets to like 5000 or something? My Doctor did have a very good point. He said blood test values are like a bell curve and that sometimes there can be outliers. I am currently in school and taking statistics so this makes perfect sense to me. He said that your body is just different in this area and this what makes you, you. If it was something low or critical we would take action.

    I guess what he is saying is that this outlier is a non-essential concern.

    Here are my results below…

    Results 05/2013

    Solstats

    Result Range

    IgA = 682 68-379

    tTG IgA = 8.3 <20
    tTG IgG = 6.5 <20
    Endomysial = Negative

    Results 04/2014

    LabCorp

    Result Range

    IgA = 710 91-414

    tTG IgA = 0-3 <2
    tTG IgG = 0-5 <2
    Endomysial = Negative

    Questions:

    What is IGA?

    What does it mean to have High Levels of IGA?

    What is the worst case scenario of High Levels of IGA?

    How do I lower my IGA?

    Is this a precursor of Cancer or anything like that? Or is this simply an outlier like the Doctor says and is absolutely nothing to worry about?

    Help:

    My main point is that I am going to my follow up visit in a week to the Hematologist and I know what is going to happen. He is going to say everything is absolutely fine. We ran a ton of blood work, not sure why that test was done, but have a nice day. And give me a look of why am I even here.

    I do not want to leave still not knowing exactly what this is, and that is why I posted this topic here. I was hoping someone out there could elaborate on this so I can know that this is not a big deal. Is there anything I can do? Should I be watching out for anything? You know. So please if you can help me out and sooth my Anxiety that would be great. Thank you so much for reading and have a wonderful day.

    Thank You!
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    Quote Originally Posted by needspractice View Post
    Hey Everyone,

    I am 32; 200 LBs; and just coming off of some supplements. Ihave been working out hard off and on for a few years and I just keep gettingpissed. I want to look like the big guys at the GYM and I never get close. GuysI just think is my Genetics. I do not think I have it in me to be as BIG asthose guys in the gym. I am about to throw in the towel once again.

    Wouldn’t you agree based on the picture? Hopeless right?

    Best,
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    Never give up. Also, based on your body structure, I wouldn't blame genetics.
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    You look fine in the picture you posted. You're definitely leaner than me. Don't get discouraged. I finally made some progress this past year after a long time of injuring myself from improper form, or poor diet to where I never gained. Most supplements are just junk with dyes and artificial flavors. I would just stick to whey, fish oil, a multivitamin, maybe some vitamin D gels and some Zinc. For a pre-workout supplement just have a cup or two of coffee. I wish I was that lean right now.
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    You're over thinking this WAYYY too much. Keep your food intake where you want it to be to either get big or get lean. Also, realize its a marathon not a sprint so good gains will not happen over night.
  

  
 

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