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    You know your Country is f@#ked when...


    It can't even pass a Law extending background checks to ALL people looking to purchase a gun.

    Wtf is wrong with USA, it's bad enough the streets are filled with guns, now a simple Law making it harder for criminals to attain guns can't even be passed.

    A corrupt and doomed Country...

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    Just make murder illegal. Oh wait...
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    Yea because criminals follow the legal paths already on the books to obtain weapons. I SMH at stupid people who believe more laws equals safety or that criminals will follow stricter laws. It takes a special kind of stupid to think adding more laws will solve anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsugsr View Post
    Yea because criminals follow the legal paths already on the books to obtain weapons. I SMH at stupid people who believe more laws equals safety or that criminals will follow stricter laws. It takes a special kind of stupid to think adding more laws will solve anything.
    No, it takes a special kind of stupid to think that the solution is more guns.

    What do u think is an ideal solution to reduce gun deaths then?
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    How many criminals purchase guns through legal channels? Lets use Sandy Hook as an example; would more stringent purchasing laws have kept weapons out of Adam Lanza's hands?

    No. Continuing to infringe upon the 2nd amendment is not the solution to curbing violent crime. That's like saying making cars harder to get will curb drunk driving deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    How many criminals purchase guns through legal channels? Lets use Sandy Hook as an example; would more stringent purchasing laws have kept weapons out of Adam Lanza's hands?

    No. Continuing to infringe upon the 2nd amendment is not the solution to curbing violent crime. That's like saying making cars harder to get will curb drunk driving deaths.
    So whats your solution then???

    Why are gun deaths so high? Gun related deaths are actually on par and set to overtake car crash deaths within a few years. What a sad statistic.

    And BTW, car deaths are accidents, gun deaths are on purpose.
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    We could start by enforcing the many, many laws already on the books, which are some of the lowest prosecuted crimes in the system.

    We could start by eliminating "gun free" zones, because only law abiding people obey those so criminals know they have easy, unarmed targets.

    We could start by rebuilding our mental health system which has been constantly down-funded and reduced in size or all but eliminated since the 70s.

    We could start by bitch slapping liberals who keep pushing their agenda to eliminate out freedoms by calling for more laws based on emotions and not facts.

    Lots of places we could start, but with an inept government and tons of sheeple, the correct course will not be taken, we will only continue to infringe on the constitution until it doesn't exist anymore and then wonder what happened 10 years down the road when you have even less freedom than you do now.
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    There arent many massacres/school shootings that could have been prevented by just criminal background checks. Your original post sounded ignorant and disrespectful IMO. The solution isn't soley background checks (yes I agree though, background check it up). Illinois, who has the strictest gun bans and firearm laws, has more gun related murders than the state of Texas, where everyone has a gun.

    I don't know what the solution is. I carry concealed 75% of the time and I have licensing that allows me to carry concealed in over 30 states because of reciprocity laws. I do it because its my right to. We make guns out to be a huge ****ing deal, how whoever touches them is gonna go biserk and go on massive shooting sprees.

    There's ****ing crazy people in our country, that's the problem. No normal, sane person would ever even fathom shooting up children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    So whats your solution then???

    Why are gun deaths so high? Gun related deaths are actually on par and set to overtake car crash deaths within a few years. What a sad statistic.

    And BTW, car deaths are accidents, gun deaths are on purpose.
    No, drunk driving deaths are NOT accidents.

    Explain to me what YOUR solution is. You're the one who thinks that lawful gun ownership equals gun deaths, so please enlighten me on how you plan to change this.

    You are aware that 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides, right? Those MASSIVELY skew the statistic.
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    Gun ownership up, yet gun homicides at their lowest level in 30 years. Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    So whats your solution then???

    Why are gun deaths so high? Gun related deaths are actually on par and set to overtake car crash deaths within a few years. What a sad statistic.

    And BTW, car deaths are accidents, gun deaths are on purpose.
    Sounds like you are reading liberal website lies. Gun deaths are at the lowest in many decades. Quit watching MSLSD and libtards lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post

    Sounds like you are reading liberal website lies. Gun deaths are at the lowest in many decades. Quit watching MSLSD and libtards lies.
    Sounds like y'all a bunch of gun toting hillbilly rednecks.

    Your solution is more guns. That proves how messed up things are.

    Well in USA the only reason the small number of states with tight gun control have high gun deaths is because the guns are still sooooo easy to get! How hard do u think it is to get a gun from one state to another? Its not like fricken mexico to usa. If u r too stupid to understand that then u r more stupid then i thought.

    The solution is NATIONAL reforms which everyone has to abide by. The problem is the stupid f@#king 2nd amendment which u gun toting hicks think is a god given right, it was made up by stupid gun toting fools centuries ago, just coz it was made a Law then doesnt make it right now.

    USA should follow in the foot steps of Australia. I have been to Australia several times and have friends that live there and i can say firsthand how much safer it is there (BTW i have travelled the world and seen it all). Since they had a shooting massacre in 1996 they brought in gun reforms and guns are now illegal to carry, there is barely 200 shooting deaths in the whole country per year and most of those are bike/gang/drug related so its just the scum killing eachother. No one carries guns there, there is no gun shops anywhere and very hard to get a hold of a gun. When the reforms were brought in, the government offered a buy-back scheme to subsidise people giving up their guns and this proved very successful. Obviously this doesnt take all the guns off the street but over the years 2 things happened. 1) anyone caught with a gun got sent to jail and gun confiscated obviously, and 2) the small number of guns that were floating around- how cheap do u think these were to buy on the black market? Quite expensive due to being very hard to get and for most criminals they just couldnt afford to buy one. Obviously this takes time for this to work, its not an overnight fix. And NO, other violent crime did not significantly rise in the country, just the number of guns deaths significantly reduced. As i said, i have been to Australia several times and can say firsthand how safe it is to live there. U think u live in a free country because u can carry a gun? Thats not my idea of a free country, to me a free country is not worrying about getting shot and needing to protect myself with gun.

    And to pre-empt some of your comments-

    'Guns dont kill people, people kill people' thats f@#king the most stupidest thing ive heard. When u have guns so easily accessible to criminals and crazy people then they will be MUCH more likely to kill someone.

    'But criminals dont follow the Law' no **** sherlock, but when these criminals cannot access guns so easily the chances of them shooting someone to death are very slim.

    'Criminals will still find a way to kill someone' wow u people are so educated. I would much rather take my chances against anything other than a gun. Do u think those 70 people shot and killed watching batman would have been killed with a Knife? Hell no! Maybe a couple but not a massacre.

    Would Adam Lanza been able to kill all those school children if he wasn't able to access guns so easily? Of course not.

    Wake up America, real problems need to be fixed with real solutions, not your gun toting hillbilly ideas.
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    Go troll somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsugsr View Post
    Go troll somewhere else.
    You got served

    Got nothing to say to everything i wrote? There's nothing to say i guess, because its all common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    You got served

    Got nothing to say to everything i wrote? There's nothing to say i guess, because its all common sense.
    pretty sure none of us have received an intelligent response from you from our posts
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    Lol @ name calling because your arguments suck.

    Nobody got served, and if you're so fond of the .gov wedging their **** up your ass like AUS' does...then I guess the solution is clear.

    I also notice how you absolutely avoided any FACTS about gun deaths at a 30 year low... Better go see how the liberal talking points address that.
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    Additionally, your arguments are all based on "what if" conjecture. Speculation doesn't get you anywhere, but we can play that game...

    Boston Marathon bombing. No guns, easily accessible items to build bombs. What rights would you strip to avoid this?
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    The 2nd amendment rights are for our protection from the government. Go study history on how governments disarm their citizens then enslave them. Our Founding Fathers understood this. Now take your crying liberal, change.org, whinny ass to another country. Study and learn history!!

    And yes, there is a democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist war being waged on us. They use fools like you emotionally to achieve their ultimate goal, which is complete power.
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    I believe the "troll somewhere else" comment was due to the fact that you brought zero fact, intelligent thought, or experience on the matter and all speculation with the intent to get a rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    You got served

    Got nothing to say to everything i wrote? There's nothing to say i guess, because its all common sense.
    I have a question... Are you available for target practice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Additionally, your arguments are all based on "what if" conjecture. Speculation doesn't get you anywhere, but we can play that game...

    Boston Marathon bombing. No guns, easily accessible items to build bombs. What rights would you strip to avoid this?
    We should ban rice cookers and sheet rock screws lol come on more gun laws really. It's sad as is the fact all these pu**sy want more laws to save lives, every time there is a shooting but prescription drug kill 10times more people each year and I don't see any of you anti gun lobbyist crying about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    So whats your solution then???

    Why are gun deaths so high? Gun related deaths are actually on par and set to overtake car crash deaths within a few years. What a sad statistic.

    And BTW, car deaths are accidents, gun deaths are on purpose.
    You ever wonder why most of these mass murderers are on prescription psychotropics and its never talked about on mainstream news as a possible culprit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    USA should follow in the foot steps of Australia. I have been to Australia several times and have friends that live there and i can say firsthand how much safer it is there (BTW i have travelled the world and seen it all). Since they had a shooting massacre in 1996 they brought in gun reforms and guns are now illegal to carry, there is barely 200 shooting deaths in the whole country per year and most of those are bike/gang/drug related so its just the scum killing eachother. No one carries guns there, there is no gun shops anywhere and very hard to get a hold of a gun. When the reforms were brought in, the government offered a buy-back scheme to subsidise people giving up their guns and this proved very successful. Obviously this doesnt take all the guns off the street but over the years 2 things happened. 1) anyone caught with a gun got sent to jail and gun confiscated obviously, and 2) the small number of guns that were floating around- how cheap do u think these were to buy on the black market? Quite expensive due to being very hard to get and for most criminals they just couldnt afford to buy one. Obviously this takes time for this to work, its not an overnight fix. And NO, other violent crime did not significantly rise in the country, just the number of guns deaths significantly reduced. As i said, i have been to Australia several times and can say firsthand how safe it is to live there. U think u live in a free country because u can carry a gun? Thats not my idea of a free country, to me a free country is not worrying about getting shot and needing to protect myself with gun.
    Your picking examples to help support your claim that guns = less violence. Is there a reason you didnt pick Mexico where there is more gun control than Australia yet their gun murder rate increased and is greater than America's? Or where in Venezuela has just extended their total gun ban and the murder rate is rising?

    Are you aware Australia's crime rate has risen since their gun control laws?
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    Keep drinking your liberal kool-aid and buy into their agenda. When our rights are restricted, bad things will happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post

    Your picking examples to help support your claim that guns = less violence. Is there a reason you didnt pick Mexico where there is more gun control than Australia yet their gun murder rate increased and is greater than America's? Or where in Venezuela has just extended their total gun ban and the murder rate is rising?

    Are you aware Australia's crime rate has risen since their gun control laws?
    You can't use Mexico as an example. Reason Mexico has the worlds 6 top drug cartels in the world. Mexican cartels are so powerful the government turns a blind eye. It's all driven by money don't compare an apple to an orange
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    You can't use Mexico as an example. Reason Mexico has the worlds 6 top drug cartels in the world. Mexican cartels are so powerful the government turns a blind eye. It's all driven by money don't compare an apple to an orange
    Arent most of the USA's gun murders from drug dealers and gangsters? Whats the difference? Take away guns from our law abiding citizens will do what to our own gangs?
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    Cartels are organized army's, Gangs and drug dealer are a bunch of uneducated thugs that can't read most of the time. Every American should own a pistol and a rifle or atleast a moss berg.
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    Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.
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    what's the point of making more laws. That the government should stop trying to take our only form of defense away. The only way you won't become a slave to the government is if your have your gun to fight back. Then you have a bunch of flower huggers say hay let's ban all guns or make it hard so people don't legally get them. When a criminal can buy on off the street any day of the week he chooses.

    You'll be dead by the time the cops respond to your call of break in. In my house ill be call 911 to get the dead body. The real issue is that Obama wants to take out right to bear arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    Cartels are organized army's, Gangs and drug dealer are a bunch of uneducated thugs that can't read most of the time. Every American should own a pistol and a rifle or atleast a moss berg.
    I actually think you make a good point though not to compare America to Mexico...the same way anti-gun bros shouldnt use the "Australia" example since perhaps they dont have as much uneducated thugs that cant read most of the time as we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post

    You'll be dead by the time the cops respond to your call of break in. In my house ill be call 911 to get the dead body. The real issue is that Obama wants to take out right to bear arms.
    Lol I wont be. I have a 12g with 00 buckshot in my room and an american bulldog that hates strangers. Actually thinking about going through the paperwork/hassel to get a full auto uzi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    The 2nd amendment rights are for our protection from the government. Go study history on how governments disarm their citizens then enslave them. Our Founding Fathers understood this. Now take your crying liberal, change.org, whinny ass to another country. Study and learn history!!

    And yes, there is a democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist war being waged on us. They use fools like you emotionally to achieve their ultimate goal, which is complete power.
    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post

    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.
    Yes, as of today. But my point is when the 2nd Amendment was written at the time was not only personal protection, but mainly protection from the government. Our FF tried their best to limit government and make it "for the people". Unfortunately, we are way off that these days. In fact, the USA was established as a Republic, not a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post

    Yes, as of today. But my point is when the 2nd Amendment was written at the time was not only personal protection, but mainly protection from the government. Our FF tried their best to limit government and make it "for the people". Unfortunately, we are way off that these days. In fact, the USA was established as a Republic, not a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post

    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.
    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.
    Gotcha, and it's really a debate for another thread. I agree with most here the op is way off base, the world we live in now it makes no sense to take away our 2nd amendment rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.
    I don't believe the government would ever take to arms against its own people. They would lose half the military that would not follow an order like that and whatever they got left would have to stand against the most well armed nation in the world. They know that so instead they cripple those that would stand and fight economically till they get submission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    I don't believe the government would ever take to arms against its own people. They would lose half the military that would not follow an order like that and whatever they got left would have to stand against the most well armed nation in the world. They know that so instead they cripple those that would stand and fight economically till they get submission.
    The issue is there are those within the government that do, and this needs to be fought off. Its all about incrementalism rather than just doing a overnight ban, thats how an agenda on this scale is pulled off.

    They have disarmed the public in our recent past before in New Orleans with door to door arms confiscation.

    They arrested a decorated war veteran here in New York a couple months ago for having empty magazine clips in the trunk of his car that could hold more than the "legal" limit and charged him with multiple felonies. There is a fund raiser for his legal battles now. Its quite pathetic how low government can get.
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    The problem is that the government simply wanted to take take take! They wanted to make everything more difficult for the average person but "the hood dont have a background check". I bet that if the government said that all law abiding Americans could own what ever gun they wanted but they had to pass a month long background check there would have been an open forum and people would have been more open to this compromise. It is a researched fact that only 2% of crimes involving guns are done so with one that was illegally purchased at a gun show (NPR). And to comment the OP statement about Australia sir did you know after Australia's gun ban took effect, armed robberies jumped 69%. Assaults with guns jumped 28%. Gun murders jumped 19%. Most alarming is something that wasn't expected. Home invasions jumped 21%. ( Examiner dot Com). how’s that for safe? I welcome a rebuttal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Lol @ name calling because your arguments suck.

    Nobody got served, and if you're so fond of the .gov wedging their **** up your ass like AUS' does...then I guess the solution is clear.

    I also notice how you absolutely avoided any FACTS about gun deaths at a 30 year low... Better go see how the liberal talking points address that.
    I wasn't name calling i'm sorry if you interpreted it that way, you are a gun toting redneck hillybilly hick aren't u?

    Yes u r right, gun deaths have come down considerably (usa was almost like a constant civil war) but the number is still high per 100 people, and it's not gunna change much with so many guns easily accessible.
  

  
 

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