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[McCrew530]

You are totally incorrect with you figures and not well informed.

Australias gun deaths have less than HALVED since 1996 when their reforms were brought in. Some other crime (robbery etc) did initially slightly rise but this levelled off as well. It takes time for gun reforms to work, it doesn't happen overnight. But more than half a reduction on the number of gun deaths since their reforms happened is a pretty significant statistic. And let's say for example that some other forms of crime slightly increased, i would much prefer this if it meant gun deaths were considerably reduced and i didnt need to protect myself. Did u know that only approximately 200 people are killed in australia by guns every year? Quite a miniscule number. And a majority of those are bikie/gang/drug related. And no other forms of violent crime or murder are not significantly high.

And yes i will provide facts to back this up when i get to my computer (i'm writing this from my iphone).

First I take offence to you calling me uninformed, and how am I incorrect with my figures when I provided documented stats from reputable sources? To rebut your argument and how infeasible it is, lets also take into account the vast difference in size and population density of the United States of America. 23 mil vs 313 mil (rounded up) not only is an affective gun buy back program not cost efficient if you evenly transfer the spike of violence and crime from Australia to the USA you would have chaos . Now I am not saying that I would be apposing a gun free Utopia where crime was zero and there was NO NEED for guns. But the fact of the matter is that this is not a world that we are currently living in. And to address a point that you brought up regarding a criminals ability to get a gun and I quote you "along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. " How do you think war lords in Africa get guns? Do you think they go down to their local Bass Pro shop and ask for a military grade AK-47? No of coarse not. Where there is evil good people need an equalizer. I promise you if you went out with a responsible gun owner and learned that guns are not scary death machines and when used properly and with respect they can be a helpful self defense tool or an enjoyable piece of recreation equipment. But like anything if used incorrectly or in evil and negligent hand it can cause harm. But why should responsible gun owners like my self be penalized for the actions of another person? I most certainly should not epically as an American living in the Land of the Free. And personally I believe that this is the first time this country's government has actually worked recently protecting its citizens rights in recent history

 

[Glawry]

Why don't you take all your frilly liberal buddies, everyone pushing gun control legislation and your iPhone to Australia.

Last I checked you weren't being forced to live in the greatest nation on this earth.

You know your country is phucked when the very things on which is was founded become dissected and removed at the will of your elected dictator.
Truth is the man should have been impeached by now but the idiots who voted for him are too obtuse to add 1+1 =2.

Just because something was made a 'right' a few hundred years ago doesn't make it RIGHT in todays world.

The country these rights were founded on was in a world of cowboys and indians, was in a world of english invading another country and claiming it by force as their own, was in a world where black people were brought to the country as slaves. What a great country. Times change mate and so do Laws and rights that are relevant to the times u live in. If you can't get your head around that you are a fool.

I actually spend more and more time in Australia every year and will no doubt pack up and move there permanently America can EAD

 

[lamonster14]

I fail to connect with any of the so called valid points you have made throughout your diatribe.

I would pick my "redneck " "cowboy" gun toting Bible banging Americans over your sorry self loathing arse any day and I'm sure that the vast majority of America agrees with me.

The problem lies within the accountability of the individual. Not the inalienable rights of the individual given by the democracy in which they live

So again I say to you, pack your bags and make the change for yourself.

 

[Glawry]

First I take offence to you calling me uninformed, and how am I incorrect with my figures when I provided documented stats from reputable sources? To rebut your argument and how infeasible it is, lets also take into account the vast difference in size and population density of the United States of America. 23 mil vs 313 mil (rounded up) not only is an affective gun buy back program not cost efficient if you evenly transfer the spike of violence and crime from Australia to the USA you would have chaos . Now I am not saying that I would be apposing a gun free Utopia where crime was zero and there was NO NEED for guns. But the fact of the matter is that this is not a world that we are currently living in. And to address a point that you brought up regarding a criminals ability to get a gun and I quote you "along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. " How do you think war lords in Africa get guns? Do you think they go down to their local Bass Pro shop and ask for a military grade AK-47? No of coarse not. Where there is evil good people need an equalizer. I promise you if you went out with a responsible gun owner and learned that guns are not scary death machines and when used properly and with respect they can be a helpful self defense tool or an enjoyable piece of recreation equipment. But like anything if used incorrectly or in evil and negligent hand it can cause harm. But why should responsible gun owners like my self be penalized for the actions of another person? I most certainly should not epically as an American living in the Land of the Free. And personally I believe that this is the first time this country's government has actually worked recently protecting its citizens rights in recent history

You comparing America to Africa is like comparing Mexico to America, it's worse than apples and oranges, it's like comparing watermelon and spinach. Africa houses terrorists and is a 3rd world country. This is why i have used Australia as an example as it is more comparable, do you understand that? So to say you are uninformed as an understatement.

I understand that there are plenty of Law Abiding Citizens that treat guns with respect and would only use if necessary but the problem is thay because there are so many messed up people/druggos/criminals in your country, they can access guns with ease.

Adam Lanza's mother was a Law Abiding Citizen but that didnt stop this kid easily accessing the guns to kill those innocent kids. Most of the school shooting massacres that have occured have been commited by other older 'kids' themselves who have had easy access to their parents guns, even though they were 'locked' away. So how could these occurances have been prevented then?

Why is not having a gun being penalized? It's a weapon for f@#k sake. No one should be allowed to carry one except for Law enforcement.

 

[jimbuick]

Hmm make guns illegal and shut down gun stores, seems like a great idea!


Except for the people who wiwill be put out of work, increasing our unemployment.

Oh yeah, and I feel like we did that before with other substances (steroids, narcotics, alcohol). It worked so well then, I don't know anyone who ever got any of that stuff when it was illegal....

 

[jimbuick]

Also, I'm a big fan of all of the open mindedness on both sides.

Especially OP. It actually sounds like none of our rights are acceptable considering you can't even accept that in a country with FREEDOM OF SPEECH people have different opinions.

So, because I believe I should have the right to own a gun if I so please; I am a hillbilly, redneck, ignorant, hick.....seems legit.

Also, before you speak of how uninformed/ignorant everyone is; it may be worth using your spell check. Or actually forming sentences....

 

[McCrew530]

You comparing America to Africa is like comparing Mexico to America, it's worse than apples and oranges, it's like comparing watermelon and spinach. Africa houses terrorists and is a 3rd world country. This is why i have used Australia as an example as it is more comparable, do you understand that? So to say you are uninformed as an understatement.

I understand that there are plenty of Law Abiding Citizens that treat guns with respect and would only use if necessary but the problem is thay because there are so many messed up people/druggos/criminals in your country, they can access guns with ease.

Adam Lanza's mother was a Law Abiding Citizen but that didnt stop this kid easily accessing the guns to kill those innocent kids. Most of the school shooting massacres that have occured have been commited by other older 'kids' themselves who have had easy access to their parents guns, even though they were 'locked' away. So how could these occurances have been prevented then?

Why is not having a gun being penalized? It's a weapon for f@#k sake. No one should be allowed to carry one except for Law enforcement.

I was in no way comparing Americas economical well being to Africa's but to continue on the topic of terrorist, Americas gang and criminal organization are well funded and have the ability to arm them selves to the teeth without needed to go to a local store and buy one from a retailer. That was the point I was making. And I ask you if there are so many 'messed up people/druggos/criminals" out there and response times from our tax funded public service people is atrocious how would taking away our ability to efficiently defend our selves solve anything? It wouldnt. Look up the story of the man who was on business who got a call from his wife about an intruder, a gun saved her life. That is how it is being penalized.

 

[Glawry]

Hmm make guns illegal and shut down gun stores, seems like a great idea!

Except for the people who wiwill be put out of work, increasing our unemployment.

Oh yeah, and I feel like we did that before with other substances (steroids, narcotics, alcohol). It worked so well then, I don't know anyone who ever got any of that stuff when it was illegal....

What about innocent people that get shot dead everyday? They are most definitely put out of work. What about innocent kids that are shot dead? They never get the chance to work. U would rather have gun shops employing people then lives saved?! Another example of why America is doomed. Surely these gun shop workers can find jobs elsewhere.

Alcohol is not illegal i dont know why u mentioned that. People that use steroids and narcotics for personal use is quite easy to stay on it as it's for themselves and the penalties are minor for personal use. Guns on the other hand KILL people and any1 caught with a gun should be jailed, which is a deterrent (not for everyone). As i mentioned previously which u obviously can't read, when there are no gun shops and minimal guns on streets, black market prices for guns would rise considerably and would make it so much harder for criminals to get a hold of one. Im not saying there will be ZERO gun deaths and that criminals still won't use guns but the numbers will be reduced to such an insignificant number that it will be well worth it. And again, these changes don't happen overnight, it takes time, understand that.

 

[Glawry]

Also, I'm a big fan of all of the open mindedness on both sides.

Especially OP. It actually sounds like none of our rights are acceptable considering you can't even accept that in a country with FREEDOM OF SPEECH people have different opinions.

So, because I believe I should have the right to own a fun if I so please; I am a hillbilly, redneck, ignorant, hick.....seems legit.

Also, before you speak of how uninformed/ignorant everyone is; it may be worth using your spell check. Or actually forming sentences....

HAHAHAHAHAHA! U just shot yourself in the foot with that last comment (no pun intended). U tell me to use spell check yet u can't even spell gun. Go back and read what u just wrote- "i should have the right to own a fun" so correct yourself before you correct others. Hahahaha wow you are stupid. How do u feel about that???

BTW, i'm not writing a formal letter or essay, i write on this forum like I write text messages and shorten words and abbreviate where i want to. So don't try and sound like you are Mr Smart when you are far from it.

 

[tsugsr]

One thing I've noticed about retards like the op bashing America's freedoms. I haven't seen one yet use proper grammar, spelling or put together a decent sentence. Boy, sign me up to be like him!

 

[McCrew530]

As for Adam Lanza or any of the socially inept people that have become the stereo type for atrocities like this if the parents, family, or friends would have been more attentive and put some time into towards addressing their mental health issues maybe this would not have happened. But ill tell you one thing I would be far more afraid of a crazy person with a 6 round shotgun that one with a 30 round .223 those rounds were meant for coyote and varmint. Buck shot was meant for big game.

 

[Glawry]

One thing I've noticed about retards like the op bashing America's freedoms. I haven't seen one yet use proper grammar, spelling or put together a decent sentence. Boy, sign me up to be like him!

As mentioned previously which u obviously can't read. This is not a spelling contest or a formal letter or an essay or whatever else requires use of proper grammar. Is it too hard for you to understand that 'u' means you? Wow U are more stupid than i thought.

 

[jimbuick]

What about innocent people that get shot dead everyday? They are most definitely put out of work. What about innocent kids that are shot dead? They never get the chance to work. U would rather have gun shops employing people then lives saved?! Another example of why America is doomed. Surely these gun shop workers can find jobs elsewhere.

Alcohol is not illegal i dont know why u mentioned that. People that use steroids and narcotics for personal use is quite easy to stay on it as it's for themselves and the penalties are minor for personal use. Guns on the other hand KILL people and any1 caught with a gun should be jailed, which is a deterrent (not for everyone). As i mentioned previously which u obviously can't read, when there are no gun shops and minimal guns on streets, black market prices for guns would rise considerably and would make it so much harder for criminals to get a hold of one. Im not saying there will be ZERO gun deaths and that criminals still won't use guns but the numbers will be reduced to such an insignificant number that it will be well worth it. And again, these changes don't happen overnight, it takes time, understand that.

That's one hell of a 'what if' scenario.

Once again you show your true ignorance. Notice I speak in the past tense. Now see if you remember the prohibition. Alcohol being illegal, not that long ago. And what happened? People kept getting alcohol and gangsters got rich and powerful supplying it.

You assume prices would go up on weapons if one were to ban them and remove LEGAL sale of them. I counter with cocaine/marijuana/Meth/any drug. You can't go pick those up at the pharmacy yet so many get their hands on them all the time


The only people who are hurt by gun control are law abiding citizens. You speak about Australia, talking about how similar we are as a country. But neglect the fact that the U.S. is bordered by two other countries, one of which has illegal items smuggled across on a daily basis; while the other is an ISLAND.

You take guns from law abiding citizens, and you take away their home security. Criminals wouldn't give up their firearms or would just get them on the black market (and they wouldn't be all that expensive because of all the licensing fees/taxes that would be removed from the sale).

And even if they were successful (which is one hell of a stretch in a country this size) that doesn't stop anything. What about that guy in Texas who stabbed 15 people at a college. Do we ban kitchen knives now too?

Store owners/home owners not being allowed to have guns is not a good idea. What stops a criminal from walking in with a 2x4, knife, or bat? He still kills a defenseless family and what do we do then? Ban anything that can be used in an evil way to hurt another person? Seems like an awesome idea.

 

[Glawry]

As for Adam Lanza or any of the socially inept people that have become the stereo type for atrocities like this if the parents, family, or friends would have been more attentive and put some time into towards addressing their mental health issues maybe this would not have happened. But ill tell you one thing I would be far more afraid of a crazy person with a 6 round shotgun that one with a 30 round .223 those rounds were meant for coyote and varmint. Buck shot was meant for big game.

U fail to understand that a lot of 'mentally ill' people, or whatever u want to call them, are very good at hiding their problems. A lot of these young kids would never want to talk about or admit they have problems which is why they hide them and it bottles up. If his mum didn't have these guns he wouldnt have got a hold of them to shoot these kids.

 

[jimbuick]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! U just shot yourself in the foot with that last comment (no pun intended). U tell me to use spell check yet u can't even spell gun. Go back and read what u just wrote- "i should have the right to own a fun" so correct yourself before you correct others. Hahahaha wow you are stupid. How do u feel about that???

BTW, i'm not writing a formal letter or essay, i write on this forum like I write text messages and shorten words and abbreviate where i want to. So don't try and sound like you are Mr Smart when you are far from it.

Great arguing point BTW.

I'm posting on mobile as well (which occasionally auto corrects, as I'm sure you know) and I still don't look like some HS kid who's posting his liberal teachers opinion without forming one of his own, based upon life experience and empirical data.

 

[jimbuick]

All of your posts are attempts to attack a person as opposed to rebutting the opinions/facts that are stated.

Which is proof that you have no logical reason (or evidence to suggest) that anything you are saying could even be true, and are simply arguing based upon an emotional response as opposed to a logical one.

 

[Glawry]

That's one hell of a 'what if' scenario.

Once again you show your true ignorance. Notice I speak in the past tense. Now are if you remember the prohibition. Alcohol being illegal, not that long ago. And what happened? People kept getting alcohol and gangsters got rich and powerful supplying it.

You assume prices would go up on weapons if one were to ban them and remove LEGAL sale of them. I counter with cocaine/marijuana/Meth/any drug. You can't go pick those up at the pharmacy yet so many get their hands on them all the time

The only people who are hurt by gun control are law abiding citizens. You speak about Australia, talking about how similar we are as a country. But neglect the fact that the U.S. is bordered by two other countries, one of which has illegal items smuggled across on a daily basis; while the other is an ISLAND.

You take guns from law abiding citizens, and you take away their home security. Criminals wouldn't give up their firearms or would just get them on the black market (and they wouldn't be all that expensive because of all the licensing fees/taxes that would be removed from the sale).

And even if they were successful (which is one hell of a stretch in a country this size) that doesn't stop anything. What about that guy in Texas who stabbed 15 people at a college. Do we ban kitchen knives now too?

Store owners/home owners not being allowed to have guns is not a good idea. What stops a criminal from walking in with a 2x4, knife, or bat? He still kills a defenseless family and what do we do then? Ban anything that can be used in an evil way to hurt another person? Seems like an awesome idea.

I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.

 

[McCrew530]

U fail to understand that a lot of 'mentally ill' people, or whatever u want to call them, are very good at hiding their problems. A lot of these young kids would never want to talk about or admit they have problems which is why they hide them and it bottles up. If his mum didn't have these guns he wouldnt have got a hold of them to shoot these kids.

No I understand perfectly that some people can hide their problems with great efficiency but I also know for a fact that these people were documented crazy. If his mom didnt have those guns, and I am going to use one of your what if scenarios, he would have probably locked the door to his moms class room and started setting kids on fire or some other atrocity. Guns are the tool because they are efficient. But they are just that, a tool. And a tool is only doing the bidding of the person wielding it. I will agree that there is solution out there somewhere that will stop all crime and untimely death but EVERYTHING that our government was proposing was a farce and would not have stopped a thing. What they were proposing was an infringement of our rights as Americans and our ability to be happy. If you can tell me how one thing that our government was proposing would have guaranteed to stop violent crime with guns I will tell you that you are right and defend what you are saying to everyone else that posts attacking your stance. However you wont. Because everything that was proposed was an overreaction and was simply done to save face. Nothing more nothing less. a I am proud that everything was shot down but ashamed it took so much of the tax payers money to do so.

 

[jimbuick]

I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.

That's cool, I'm glad that YOU would rather take your chances against a knife. (Your right to have an opinion, just as it is my right to own a firearm.)

I personally would rather have a pistol on my person and would rather shoot the other guy and not have to take any chance (which is my opinion).

Also, you're belief is that all guns should be illegal (because, as proven in the past. Making something illegal always gets it off the streets) So now people are no longer capable of going hunting (why not punish the majority because of the actions of a minority, right?) and you immediately put ranges, gun stores, and manufacturers out of business (which is a brilliant idea with a struggling economy).

 

[jimbuick]

 

[McCrew530]

I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.

Do you even remember what you are arguing? you start a topic about how you believe that our system is messed up then you end up believing you can disarm a person wielding a knife or at least out run them. You still have not stated a single fact about why you believe that the USA is FUBAR other than that you think that Australia’s regulations on all firearms is better than ours.

 

[Glawry]

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More proof of how ignorant u are.

Guns are a tool designed to kill people (or animals). Again u quote your economy as more important than saving lives. I'm sure the people working in the gun industry can surely find jobs elsewhere.

I understand u may feel comfortable with a gun, that's good for u. What i'm saying is that if an innocent civilian and a criminal are in a stand-off with a gun, someone is going to get shot dead, and its just as often the innocent person shot dead apposed to the criminal. Most people would rather not be in that situation or have to tale that chance.

 

[MIGUEL1J]

Your missing the point, prescription drugs don't kill people on purpose (although some do overdose on purpose). Guns are used as a weapon to kill people, on purpose. You can't control accidental deaths but u can stop things intended to kill someone.

Actually there are numerous drugs that the manufactures knew would kill people with certain conditions and the pharmaceuticals intentionally let's out this info until class action suits pop up

 

[superbeast668]

OP if you don't like America and the freedoms MEN like me have protected WITH GUNS get out. Go to Mexico, Canada, or Australia where their illegal. Go somewhere in Europe. Put a good point on the table if your going to argue. Every statement you've made is skewed statistics and far fetched conjecture and what if statements. Taking guns away from "gun toting rednecks" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Its absurd actually. It's like taking cars knives and other dangerous items away because a few ass holes don't know how to use them. It's like taking a spoon away because it makes people fat. Its like putting caution contents hot on a cup of coffee because some dumb ass burned themselves on it. For christ sake its a HOT drink did they expect frost bite jn the event if pouring it in their lap? You're turning guns into scapegoats. Their an inanimate object they're not at fault it's the user.

As I said if you don't like American freedoms feel free to leave. If you're going to argue arm your self with facts. Not skewed Obama stats like 40% of guns are bought with out background checks or 90% of Americans wanted this weeks bill to pass. I've purchased and sold over 20 firearms in this past 10 years. Not once was I not background checked in the multiple states ice resided in. In fact when I sold a few it was done through a federally licensed dealer. Why? I'm a responsible law abiding citizen. Why should I lose my rights because a few ass holes ruined things for me and every other average law abiding citizen.

 

[mustang0341]

It can't even pass a Law extending background checks to ALL people looking to purchase a gun.

Wtf is wrong with USA, it's bad enough the streets are filled with guns, now a simple Law making it harder for criminals to attain guns can't even be passed.

A corrupt and doomed Country...

If you think that the Toomey-Manchin bill is only about "background checks" then you are a sheep like the rest of the clueless flock. Try reading it....there is serious liberty infringement in there....idiot.

 

[McCrew530]

More proof of how ignorant u are.

Guns are a tool designed to kill people (or animals). Again u quote your economy as more important than saving lives. I'm sure the people working in the gun industry can surely find jobs elsewhere.

I understand u may feel comfortable with a gun, that's good for u. What i'm saying is that if an innocent civilian and a criminal are in a stand-off with a gun, someone is going to get shot dead, and its just as often the innocent person shot dead apposed to the criminal. Most people would rather not be in that situation or have to tale that chance.

Ill take that as a no you dont remember what your arguing or you have lost all faith in your initial statement and have been reduced to petty name calling and completely off topic banter. I am going to chalk this one up as a win for my self today thank you for helping me pass the time today at work.

 

[McCrew530]

As I said if you don't like American freedoms feel free to leave. If you're going to argue arm your self with facts. Not skewed Obama stats like 40% of guns are bought with out background checks or 90% of Americans wanted this weeks bill to pass. I've purchased and sold over 20 firearms in this past 10 years. Not once was I not background checked in the multiple states ice resided in. In fact when I sold a few it was done through a federally licensed dealer. Why? I'm a responsible law abiding citizen. Why should I lose my rights because a few ass holes ruined things for me and every other average law abiding citizen.

Amen brother!!!!

 

[Glawry]

Ok you wanted the facts, here they are, and yes I am going to use Australia as the example because the Laws were similar to Amercia before their reforms were brought in from 1996.

Because I can’t post links yet, instead of the *** insert www
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

*Key Statistics- Australia:

- Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
- Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isn’t quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980’s the number’s were up close to 700.
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 1996: 2.82
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 2010: 1.06 (number of deaths have gone down while the population has considerably gone up). One of the lowest rates in the world.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 15 (one of the lowest rates in the world)

*Key Statistics- USA

- Total Gun Deaths 1999: 28,874
- Total Gun Deaths 2011: 32,163
- Rate of Gun Deaths 2011: 10.3 per 100,000 people. One of the worst/highest rates in the world. 10 times more likely to be shot dead by a Gun than in Australia.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 88.8 (USA is ranked the highest in the world, all them guns don’t seem to be doing you much good is it?)

So there is your evidence, real world facts and statistics of 1) how gun reform works and 2) how atrocious Americas statistics are. Yes Australia’s actual numbers are much lower that’s because of the difference in population. I would much rather live in a country with less than 200 Gun deaths per year with a population of almost 25 million, and again most of the deaths there are bikie/gang/drug related so it's just the scum killing eachother. So, I might just book the next flight after all.

 

[McCrew530]

BOSTIN SUSPECT ALIVE AND IN CUSTODY! USA PHUCKEN ROCKS!!!!!!

 

[Glawry]

Ok you wanted the facts, here they are, and yes I am going to use Australia as the example because the Laws were similar to Amercia before their reforms were brought in from 1996.

Because I can’t post links yet, instead of the *** insert www
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

*Key Statistics- Australia:

- Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
- Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isn’t quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980’s the number’s were up close to 700.
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 1996: 2.82
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 2010: 1.06 (number of deaths have gone down while the population has considerably gone up). One of the lowest rates in the world.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 15 (one of the lowest rates in the world)

*Key Statistics- USA

- Total Gun Deaths 1999: 28,874
- Total Gun Deaths 2011: 32,163
- Rate of Gun Deaths 2011: 10.3 per 100,000 people. One of the worst/highest rates in the world. 10 times more likely to be shot dead by a Gun than in Australia.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 88.8 (USA is ranked the highest in the world, all them guns don’t seem to be doing you much good is it?)

So there is your evidence, real world facts and statistics of 1) how gun reform works and 2) how atrocious Americas statistics are. Yes Australia’s actual numbers are much lower that’s because of the difference in population. I would much rather live in a country with less than 200 Gun deaths per year with a population of almost 25 million, and again most of the deaths there are bikie/gang/drug related so it's just the scum killing eachother. So, I might just book the next flight after all.

So I am going to chalk this one up as a win for myself today, thank you for helping me pass the time at work. Amen Brother!

 

[superbeast668]

Ok you wanted the facts, here they are, and yes I am going to use Australia as the example because the Laws were similar to Amercia before their reforms were brought in from 1996.

Because I can't post links yet, instead of the *** insert www
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

*Key Statistics- Australia:

- Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
- Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isn't quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980's the number's were up close to 700.
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 1996: 2.82
- Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 2010: 1.06 (number of deaths have gone down while the population has considerably gone up). One of the lowest rates in the world.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 15 (one of the lowest rates in the world)

*Key Statistics- USA

- Total Gun Deaths 1999: 28,874
- Total Gun Deaths 2011: 32,163
- Rate of Gun Deaths 2011: 10.3 per 100,000 people. One of the worst/highest rates in the world. 10 times more likely to be shot dead by a Gun than in Australia.
- Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 88.8 (USA is ranked the highest in the world, all them guns don't seem to be doing you much good is it?)

So there is your evidence, real world facts and statistics of 1) how gun reform works and 2) how atrocious Americas statistics are. Yes Australia's actual numbers are much lower that's because of the difference in population. I would much rather live in a country with less than 200 Gun deaths per year with a population of almost 25 million, and again most of the deaths there are bikie/gang/drug related so it's just the scum killing eachother. So, I might just book the next flight after all.

Do it. Book your flight. Get out. Seriously if all you tree huggers don't like American laws and rights get out.

You do understand part of why we remain fairly untouched by other countries and are randomly attacked by guerrillas is because how many guns we have. We are the most hated country in the world. Most of the world would see us perish but they will not attack us due to simple statistics like that. Go ahead and get me some stats for Mexican gun crimes. Even Canadian. Guns are illegal there but there's murders. Australia is one example and they are isolated on an island. Import and trade make it a bit more difficult.

As I said guns don't kill people. People kill people. Let Darwinism weed out the weak that can't think for themselves much like you. Or better eat a few painkillers too many since they shouldn't become illegal. Oh wait they're controlled like guns are. Hmmm. See my point.

Seriously if the crazy f*cks that kill people in schools don't have guns they'll find another way. For Christ sake columbine Colorado most casualties were not created by firearms, it was IEDs. Or Texas with a box cutter. Guns aren't the problem PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM.

 

[superbeast668]

Let me add I don't trust your stats. It's like obama claiming 40% and 90%. They're mostly made up numbers and hopes and dreams of some people. So present real evidence not numbers that are most likely skewed.

 

[FUBARMD]

I heard that promoting liberal ideals makes your wee wee larger...

Seems like lots of compensation by a few here

 

[McCrew530]

- Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
- Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isn’t quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980’s the number’s were up close to 700.
.

The fact I want to focus on is the gun deaths fact. So you are arguing that by removing guns they reduced the gun deaths by half
color me not impressed shouldn’t that fact read ELIMINATED COMPLETELY or by at least 90%. Arguing that is only bikers and “bad guys” is proving the point that only bad guys will have the means to get guns. Australia already had a low homicide rate how bout the fact the RAPE, BURGLERY, and VIOLENT CRIME in general increased. Why do you ask? Because the criminals KNEW THAT THE GOOD PEOPLE HAD NOTHING TO DEFENT THEM SELVES WITH! And why did they have nothing to defend them selves with? Because their GOVERNMENT TOOK AWAY THEIR MEANS TO! Are you this naive or are you just ignorant. With your arguments I am going to lean towards the latter!

 

[Glawry]

Let me add I don't trust your stats. It's like obama claiming 40% and 90%. They're mostly made up numbers and hopes and dreams of some people. So present real evidence not numbers that are most likely skewed.

Well you are a fool. The facts and figures from this website are from the Federal Bureau of Statistics of each country they have figures for. Real world facts from the governments of each country. So you absolutely cannot say to present real evidence when I just did that exactly. If you wish to prove otherwise then you need to put up your own evidence. Superbeast? More like Superstupid

 

[superbeast668]

Well you are a fool. The facts and figures from this website are from the Federal Bureau of Statistics of each country they have figures for. Real world facts from the governments of each country. So you absolutely cannot say to present real evidence when I just did that exactly. If you wish to prove otherwise then you need to put up your own evidence. Superbeast? More like Superstupid

Again with the name calling. The leader of our federal government claims 90% of Americans wanted that bill to pass. That's a lie. Like it or not politics and politicians aren't trust worthy.

 

[McCrew530]

So I am going to chalk this one up as a win for myself today, thank you for helping me pass the time at work. Amen Brother!

You cant just copy what I said and think you win, thats like posting numbers from an anti gun site and thinking that it is unbiased fact. But wait thats what you did. Again I am going to ask how the country I live in is broken because they defended the rights of the people? Do you have a single original idea to support your statement?

 

[Glawry]

The fact I want to focus on is the gun deaths fact. So you are arguing that by removing guns they reduced the gun deaths by half
color me not impressed shouldn’t that fact read ELIMINATED COMPLETELY or by at least 90%. Arguing that is only bikers and “bad guys” is proving the point that only bad guys will have the means to get guns. Australia already had a low homicide rate how bout the fact the RAPE, BURGLERY, and VIOLENT CRIME in general increased. Why do you ask? Because the criminals KNEW THAT THE GOOD PEOPLE HAD NOTHING TO DEFENT THEM SELVES WITH! And why did they have nothing to defend them selves with? Because their GOVERNMENT TOOK AWAY THEIR MEANS TO! Are you this naive or are you just ignorant. With your arguments I am going to lean towards the latter!

Where is your evidence that rape, burglery and violent crime in general increased? Just because you said so doesn't mean so. Facts mate, facts. Even 'bad' guys find it very difficult to attain guns, my point was that a lot of those 200 odd gun deaths are scum anyway. The numbers are so insignificant it is nothing to worry about at all. Australia has a lot of mentally ill and crazy people as well, have you been to some parts of Sydney? Because they can't easily access guns they aren't easily killing people at all, and don't often attempt to. Guns make things soooo much easier and tempting to do things they wouldn't do if they didn't have a gun. And the figure is probably closer to being reduced to by about 75% as the figures are less than half yet the population has increased significantly. Guns deaths will never be eliminated, but wouldn't you want to take measures that significantly reduce the numbers of gun deaths to the point where you don't need to worry about being shot or needing to protect yourself? If you disagree with that then I think you are one of those mentally ill people that need help.

 

[mustang0341]

If you think that the Toomey-Manchin bill is only about "background checks" then you are a sheep like the rest of the clueless flock. Try reading it....there is serious liberty infringement in there....idiot.

So I am going to chalk this one up as a win for myself today, thank you for helping me pass the time at work. Amen Brother!

No response for me....so i am going to chalk it up as a win. Amen Brother! Actually scratch that, you are NO brother of mine.

 

[Glawry]

You cant just copy what I said and think you win, thats like posting numbers from an anti gun site and thinking that it is unbiased fact. But wait thats what you did. Again I am going to ask how the country I live in is broken because they defended the rights of the people? Do you have a single original idea to support your statement?

I have already proposed the ideas back in one of my first posts on this thread, go back and read I'm not typing up another short story.

Answer me this, how is having the highest gun ownership rate in the world treating you?

88.8 per 100? That pretty much means that almost every single person in your America has a gun? (if you factor out the number of children in your country the figure is even more alarming). What's your thoughts on this? That means that if almost every single person owns a gun including the mass amounts of 'mentally ill' people, that is a recipe for disaster.

 

[McCrew530]

Superbeast? More like Superstupid

I am starting to think that this person is a 16 year old girl who is PMSing. Maybe if we all hold hands and believe Glawry we can transport our selves to OZ then maybe the wizard can give you a brain so you can think of something intelligent to say. Or at least a sack with some man balls, not tinny little girl balls, maybe then you will understand what it is like to want to defend something and not look for a father figure aka your beloved Utopian Australian government) to come up with a way to try and protect you. Because that is what a MAN does, protect what is his against people that will try and take it from him.

 

[Glawry]

No response for me....so i am going to chalk it up as a win. Amen Brother! Actually scratch that, you are NO brother of mine.

Your comment was so worthless and pathetic that it didn't warrant a response. Your comment was answered in several previous posts anyway so I have no need to keep repeating myself.

 

[Glawry]

I am starting to think that this person is a 16 year old girl who is PMSing. Maybe if we all hold hands and believe Glawry we can transport our selves to OZ then maybe the wizard can give you a brain so you can think of something intelligent to say. Or at least a sack with some man balls, not tinny little girl balls, maybe then you will understand what it is like to want to defend something and not look for a father figure aka your beloved Utopian Australian government) to come up with a way to try and protect you. Because that is what a MAN does, protect what is his against people that will try and take it from him.

You are contradicting yourself here. I am a man because I choose to protect myself with fists, and this is all I need to protect myself. You think you are such a hero because you hide behind a gun?

I don't need a government to protect me, there is nothing I need protection from, you know why? Because I am Australian. I live in Australia and left the USA 'Land of the free' years ago. Land of the free means not needing a gun to protect myself or not even really needing to protect myself at all. I am proud to say there is no gun shops of the need for guns in my country, there is no worries here mate such a great lifestyle.

Enjoy hiding behind your gun

 

[superbeast668]

You are contradicting yourself here. I am a man because I choose to protect myself with fists, and this is all I need to protect myself. You think you are such a hero because you hide behind a gun?

I don't need a government to protect me, there is nothing I need protection from, you know why? Because I am Australian. I live in Australia and left the USA 'Land of the free' years ago. Land of the free means not needing a gun to protect myself or not even really needing to protect myself at all. I am proud to say there is no gun shops of the need for guns in my country, there is no worries here mate such a great lifestyle.

Enjoy hiding behind your gun

Protect your self from someone attacking you with a knife bat pipe or bomb with fists. Let me know how it works for you

 

[McCrew530]

I have already proposed the ideas back in one of my first posts on this thread, go back and read I'm not typing up another short story.

Answer me this, how is having the highest gun ownership rate in the world treating you?

88.8 per 100? That pretty much means that almost every single person in your America has a gun? (if you factor out the number of children in your country the figure is even more alarming). What's your thoughts on this? That means that if almost every single person owns a gun including the mass amounts of 'mentally ill' people, that is a recipe for disaster.

FROM the NCPA (National center for policy analysis)
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner. Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

• In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
• Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
• Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

• Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
• During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
• Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
• Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
• At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
• Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

[McCrew530]

• This is the SECOND SOURCE I have posted regarding myth that Australia is any better off than it was before. And as to your question as to how I feel with all these guns? I feel great I know that if I am not home my lady can go into my gun safe and blast away at any person that tries to do her harm! And god help them if I am home! To address your questions about the "crazies", I will answer your question with a question. Why are there so few massacres if so many crazy people own guns?" Ponder those fact bub!

Cheers Wanker!

 

[Glawry]

Protect your self from someone attacking you with a knife bat pipe or bomb with fists. Let me know how it works for you

Superstupid why are you posting these pathetic posts again and not reading previous posts? I'd much rather protect myself from someone with a knife bat or pipe than a gun, MUCH RATHER. And in my country, Australia, although it happens from time to time, it is still rare someone comes at you with a knife bat pipe, and definitely not a bomb.

 

[McCrew530]

You are contradicting yourself here. I am a man because I choose to protect myself with fists, and this is all I need to protect myself. You think you are such a hero because you hide behind a gun?

I don't need a government to protect me, there is nothing I need protection from, you know why? Because I am Australian. I live in Australia and left the USA 'Land of the free' years ago. Land of the free means not needing a gun to protect myself or not even really needing to protect myself at all. I am proud to say there is no gun shops of the need for guns in my country, there is no worries here mate such a great lifestyle.

Enjoy hiding behind your gun

WHAT???? This is like a lame M. Night Shamalan twist. You were just talking about how you wanted to leave the USA and might move to Australia. I take it back your not a 16 y/o girl your a 5 y/o playing guess what?


:bryce:

 

[Glawry]

• This is the SECOND SOURCE I have posted regarding myth that Australia is any better off than it was before. And as to your question as to how I feel with all these guns? I feel great I know that if I am not home my lady can go into my gun safe and blast away at any person that tries to do her harm! And god help them if I am home! To address your questions about the "crazies", I will answer your question with a question. Why are there so few massacres if so many crazy people own guns?" Ponder those fact bub!

Cheers Wanker!

Tell me this, wanker, your 'lady' with a gun vs a criminal crazy with a gun, who is more likely to get shot dead? Also factoring in the time it takes for your wife to get into the safe to get a gun, your lady would already be shot dead. I would much rather my wife not be put in that situation. Crazy people don't just do massacres, they also just do 'murders' which is why your murder and gun death rate are so high. Capish?

 

[ax1]

Just because something was made a 'right' a few hundred years ago doesn't make it RIGHT in todays world.

The country these rights were founded on was in a world of cowboys and indians, was in a world of english invading another country and claiming it by force as their own, was in a world where black people were brought to the country as slaves. What a great country. Times change mate and so do Laws and rights that are relevant to the times u live in. If you can't get your head around that you are a fool.

I actually spend more and more time in Australia every year and will no doubt pack up and move there permanently America can EAD

People are going to have a different idea of what is "RIGHT" for todays world. Personally, I think society has let government weaken them too much.

Whats "RIGHT" for todays world is to have level powers of society vs. government, which is the same principles that were implemented a few hundred years ago. Obviously we and others have a different version of what we feel is "right."

I think its good to have other countries people can move to if it makes them feel safe, but personally I have a strong concern for the wussyfication of America and am on board to fight that.