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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    You can't use Mexico as an example. Reason Mexico has the worlds 6 top drug cartels in the world. Mexican cartels are so powerful the government turns a blind eye. It's all driven by money don't compare an apple to an orange
    Arent most of the USA's gun murders from drug dealers and gangsters? Whats the difference? Take away guns from our law abiding citizens will do what to our own gangs?
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  2. Cartels are organized army's, Gangs and drug dealer are a bunch of uneducated thugs that can't read most of the time. Every American should own a pistol and a rifle or atleast a moss berg.
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  3. Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.
    We're all saying
    what's the point of making more laws. That the government should stop trying to take our only form of defense away. The only way you won't become a slave to the government is if your have your gun to fight back. Then you have a bunch of flower huggers say hay let's ban all guns or make it hard so people don't legally get them. When a criminal can buy on off the street any day of the week he chooses.

    You'll be dead by the time the cops respond to your call of break in. In my house ill be call 911 to get the dead body. The real issue is that Obama wants to take out right to bear arms.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    Cartels are organized army's, Gangs and drug dealer are a bunch of uneducated thugs that can't read most of the time. Every American should own a pistol and a rifle or atleast a moss berg.
    I actually think you make a good point though not to compare America to Mexico...the same way anti-gun bros shouldnt use the "Australia" example since perhaps they dont have as much uneducated thugs that cant read most of the time as we do.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post

    You'll be dead by the time the cops respond to your call of break in. In my house ill be call 911 to get the dead body. The real issue is that Obama wants to take out right to bear arms.
    Lol I wont be. I have a 12g with 00 buckshot in my room and an american bulldog that hates strangers. Actually thinking about going through the paperwork/hassel to get a full auto uzi.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    The 2nd amendment rights are for our protection from the government. Go study history on how governments disarm their citizens then enslave them. Our Founding Fathers understood this. Now take your crying liberal, change.org, whinny ass to another country. Study and learn history!!

    And yes, there is a democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist war being waged on us. They use fools like you emotionally to achieve their ultimate goal, which is complete power.
    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post

    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.
    Yes, as of today. But my point is when the 2nd Amendment was written at the time was not only personal protection, but mainly protection from the government. Our FF tried their best to limit government and make it "for the people". Unfortunately, we are way off that these days. In fact, the USA was established as a Republic, not a democracy.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post

    Yes, as of today. But my point is when the 2nd Amendment was written at the time was not only personal protection, but mainly protection from the government. Our FF tried their best to limit government and make it "for the people". Unfortunately, we are way off that these days. In fact, the USA was established as a Republic, not a democracy.
    Gotcha, your right.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post

    I get it and I 100% do not agree with the OP, but this idea that our 2nd amendment is there to protect us from our government is total bs. There isn't much you can have that can stop our military at this point, if they want to "enslave" us they would be able to do it pretty easily.
    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.
    Gotcha, and it's really a debate for another thread. I agree with most here the op is way off base, the world we live in now it makes no sense to take away our 2nd amendment rights.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Keep in mind, service members are citizens as well.

    There are many that have openly stated they would not follow an order that would require them to infringe upon the Constitution.
    I don't believe the government would ever take to arms against its own people. They would lose half the military that would not follow an order like that and whatever they got left would have to stand against the most well armed nation in the world. They know that so instead they cripple those that would stand and fight economically till they get submission.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post
    I don't believe the government would ever take to arms against its own people. They would lose half the military that would not follow an order like that and whatever they got left would have to stand against the most well armed nation in the world. They know that so instead they cripple those that would stand and fight economically till they get submission.
    The issue is there are those within the government that do, and this needs to be fought off. Its all about incrementalism rather than just doing a overnight ban, thats how an agenda on this scale is pulled off.

    They have disarmed the public in our recent past before in New Orleans with door to door arms confiscation.

    They arrested a decorated war veteran here in New York a couple months ago for having empty magazine clips in the trunk of his car that could hold more than the "legal" limit and charged him with multiple felonies. There is a fund raiser for his legal battles now. Its quite pathetic how low government can get.
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  14. The problem is that the government simply wanted to take take take! They wanted to make everything more difficult for the average person but "the hood dont have a background check". I bet that if the government said that all law abiding Americans could own what ever gun they wanted but they had to pass a month long background check there would have been an open forum and people would have been more open to this compromise. It is a researched fact that only 2% of crimes involving guns are done so with one that was illegally purchased at a gun show (NPR). And to comment the OP statement about Australia sir did you know after Australia's gun ban took effect, armed robberies jumped 69%. Assaults with guns jumped 28%. Gun murders jumped 19%. Most alarming is something that wasn't expected. Home invasions jumped 21%. ( Examiner dot Com). how’s that for safe? I welcome a rebuttal
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    Hit me up with any questions any time.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Lol @ name calling because your arguments suck.

    Nobody got served, and if you're so fond of the .gov wedging their **** up your ass like AUS' does...then I guess the solution is clear.

    I also notice how you absolutely avoided any FACTS about gun deaths at a 30 year low... Better go see how the liberal talking points address that.
    I wasn't name calling i'm sorry if you interpreted it that way, you are a gun toting redneck hillybilly hick aren't u?

    Yes u r right, gun deaths have come down considerably (usa was almost like a constant civil war) but the number is still high per 100 people, and it's not gunna change much with so many guns easily accessible.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Additionally, your arguments are all based on "what if" conjecture. Speculation doesn't get you anywhere, but we can play that game...

    Boston Marathon bombing. No guns, easily accessible items to build bombs. What rights would you strip to avoid this?
    For starters, this act is more likened to terrorism with the chechnians that were involved, so is a whole other topic and is pointless to debate.

    And secondly, there was later guns involved evident by a police officer shooting death, with one suspect still at large, armed with a gun.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    The 2nd amendment rights are for our protection from the government. Go study history on how governments disarm their citizens then enslave them. Our Founding Fathers understood this. Now take your crying liberal, change.org, whinny ass to another country. Study and learn history!!

    And yes, there is a democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist war being waged on us. They use fools like you emotionally to achieve their ultimate goal, which is complete power.
    Hahahaha for starters do u honestly think that in this day and age, USA would send it's army against it's own people? Seriously sounds like something out of a movie and will never happen, u like to think it might happen as an excuse to carry a gun, because u feel so tough with a gun don't u?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    I believe the "troll somewhere else" comment was due to the fact that you brought zero fact, intelligent thought, or experience on the matter and all speculation with the intent to get a rise.
    Well actually that's false. Everything was based on facts of what happened in Australia which is a country not too different to USA. And i have no problems pulling the facts for u to see as i have done on other forums, and trust me the facts only more strongly prove my point.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    I have a question... Are you available for target practice?
    I'm not available for target practise but if u wanna man up i will kindly smash your face in, they way it should be done, with fists. But u like to hide behind a gun right? Pu s s y

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post

    We should ban rice cookers and sheet rock screws lol come on more gun laws really. It's sad as is the fact all these pu**sy want more laws to save lives, every time there is a shooting but prescription drug kill 10times more people each year and I don't see any of you anti gun lobbyist crying about that.
    Your missing the point, prescription drugs don't kill people on purpose (although some do overdose on purpose). Guns are used as a weapon to kill people, on purpose. You can't control accidental deaths but u can stop things intended to kill someone.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.
    Hahaha u obviously can't read can u? Ofcourse criminals don't follow the Law, part of the solution is to take guns off the streets so these criminals can't access them easily! If the government were to offer an incentive gun buy-back scheme this would be a good start to reducing a significant number of guns off the street. Then along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. Then obviously blackmarket prices for guns increase considerably, do u think most petty criminals can afford to buy a gun if they are expensive and hard to attain?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post

    I actually think you make a good point though not to compare America to Mexico...the same way anti-gun bros shouldnt use the "Australia" example since perhaps they dont have as much uneducated thugs that cant read most of the time as we do.
    You make a good point there yourself, America has a lot of uneducated thugs

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post

    Lol I wont be. I have a 12g with 00 buckshot in my room and an american bulldog that hates strangers. Actually thinking about going through the paperwork/hassel to get a full auto uzi.
    Wow. Listen to yourself. Your so infatuated with guns, you love them don't you? That's one of the problems, gun toting hillbillies like yourself talking about guns thinking you are so cool. U think it's just your average criminal that uses guns to kill? no it's heroes like yourself that think they are big and tuff with a gun that also will readily pull a trigger. You are my hero, the girls must love your gun

  24. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    The problem is that the government simply wanted to take take take! They wanted to make everything more difficult for the average person but "the hood dont have a background check". I bet that if the government said that all law abiding Americans could own what ever gun they wanted but they had to pass a month long background check there would have been an open forum and people would have been more open to this compromise. It is a researched fact that only 2% of crimes involving guns are done so with one that was illegally purchased at a gun show (NPR). And to comment the OP statement about Australia sir did you know after Australia's gun ban took effect, armed robberies jumped 69%. Assaults with guns jumped 28%. Gun murders jumped 19%. Most alarming is something that wasn't expected. Home invasions jumped 21%. ( Examiner dot Com). how's that for safe? I welcome a rebuttal
    You are totally incorrect with you figures and not well informed.

    Australias gun deaths have less than HALVED since 1996 when their reforms were brought in. Some other crime (robbery etc) did initially slightly rise but this levelled off as well. It takes time for gun reforms to work, it doesn't happen overnight. But more than half a reduction on the number of gun deaths since their reforms happened is a pretty significant statistic. And let's say for example that some other forms of crime slightly increased, i would much prefer this if it meant gun deaths were considerably reduced and i didnt need to protect myself with a gun. Did u know that only approximately 200 people are killed in australia by guns every year? Quite a miniscule number. And a majority of those are bikie/gang/drug related. And no other forms of violent crime or murder are not significantly high.

    And yes i will provide facts to back this up when i get to my computer (i'm writing this from my iphone).

  25. Why don't you take all your frilly liberal buddies, everyone pushing gun control legislation and your iPhone to Australia.

    Last I checked you weren't being forced to live in the greatest nation on this earth.

    You know your country is phucked when the very things on which is was founded become dissected and removed at the will of your elected dictator.
    Truth is the man should have been impeached by now but the idiots who voted for him are too obtuse to add 1+1 =2.
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