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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Additionally, your arguments are all based on "what if" conjecture. Speculation doesn't get you anywhere, but we can play that game...

    Boston Marathon bombing. No guns, easily accessible items to build bombs. What rights would you strip to avoid this?
    For starters, this act is more likened to terrorism with the chechnians that were involved, so is a whole other topic and is pointless to debate.

    And secondly, there was later guns involved evident by a police officer shooting death, with one suspect still at large, armed with a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    The 2nd amendment rights are for our protection from the government. Go study history on how governments disarm their citizens then enslave them. Our Founding Fathers understood this. Now take your crying liberal, change.org, whinny ass to another country. Study and learn history!!

    And yes, there is a democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist war being waged on us. They use fools like you emotionally to achieve their ultimate goal, which is complete power.
    Hahahaha for starters do u honestly think that in this day and age, USA would send it's army against it's own people? Seriously sounds like something out of a movie and will never happen, u like to think it might happen as an excuse to carry a gun, because u feel so tough with a gun don't u?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    I believe the "troll somewhere else" comment was due to the fact that you brought zero fact, intelligent thought, or experience on the matter and all speculation with the intent to get a rise.
    Well actually that's false. Everything was based on facts of what happened in Australia which is a country not too different to USA. And i have no problems pulling the facts for u to see as i have done on other forums, and trust me the facts only more strongly prove my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeg313 View Post

    I have a question... Are you available for target practice?
    I'm not available for target practise but if u wanna man up i will kindly smash your face in, they way it should be done, with fists. But u like to hide behind a gun right? Pu s s y
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post

    We should ban rice cookers and sheet rock screws lol come on more gun laws really. It's sad as is the fact all these pu**sy want more laws to save lives, every time there is a shooting but prescription drug kill 10times more people each year and I don't see any of you anti gun lobbyist crying about that.
    Your missing the point, prescription drugs don't kill people on purpose (although some do overdose on purpose). Guns are used as a weapon to kill people, on purpose. You can't control accidental deaths but u can stop things intended to kill someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    Lol So.... all we have to do is tell criminals they cant have guns and they will say "oh ok I didnt know I couldnt do that." Ha All: you have to do is make things illegal and people wont use them or purchase them. Must be true because drugs are illegal and nobody useses them. Just like when they made steroids illegal. Lol ask anybody on this board and they will tell you that nobody on here uses them because they are illegal.
    Hahaha u obviously can't read can u? Ofcourse criminals don't follow the Law, part of the solution is to take guns off the streets so these criminals can't access them easily! If the government were to offer an incentive gun buy-back scheme this would be a good start to reducing a significant number of guns off the street. Then along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. Then obviously blackmarket prices for guns increase considerably, do u think most petty criminals can afford to buy a gun if they are expensive and hard to attain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post

    I actually think you make a good point though not to compare America to Mexico...the same way anti-gun bros shouldnt use the "Australia" example since perhaps they dont have as much uneducated thugs that cant read most of the time as we do.
    You make a good point there yourself, America has a lot of uneducated thugs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post

    Lol I wont be. I have a 12g with 00 buckshot in my room and an american bulldog that hates strangers. Actually thinking about going through the paperwork/hassel to get a full auto uzi.
    Wow. Listen to yourself. Your so infatuated with guns, you love them don't you? That's one of the problems, gun toting hillbillies like yourself talking about guns thinking you are so cool. U think it's just your average criminal that uses guns to kill? no it's heroes like yourself that think they are big and tuff with a gun that also will readily pull a trigger. You are my hero, the girls must love your gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    The problem is that the government simply wanted to take take take! They wanted to make everything more difficult for the average person but "the hood dont have a background check". I bet that if the government said that all law abiding Americans could own what ever gun they wanted but they had to pass a month long background check there would have been an open forum and people would have been more open to this compromise. It is a researched fact that only 2% of crimes involving guns are done so with one that was illegally purchased at a gun show (NPR). And to comment the OP statement about Australia sir did you know after Australia's gun ban took effect, armed robberies jumped 69%. Assaults with guns jumped 28%. Gun murders jumped 19%. Most alarming is something that wasn't expected. Home invasions jumped 21%. ( Examiner dot Com). how's that for safe? I welcome a rebuttal
    You are totally incorrect with you figures and not well informed.

    Australias gun deaths have less than HALVED since 1996 when their reforms were brought in. Some other crime (robbery etc) did initially slightly rise but this levelled off as well. It takes time for gun reforms to work, it doesn't happen overnight. But more than half a reduction on the number of gun deaths since their reforms happened is a pretty significant statistic. And let's say for example that some other forms of crime slightly increased, i would much prefer this if it meant gun deaths were considerably reduced and i didnt need to protect myself with a gun. Did u know that only approximately 200 people are killed in australia by guns every year? Quite a miniscule number. And a majority of those are bikie/gang/drug related. And no other forms of violent crime or murder are not significantly high.

    And yes i will provide facts to back this up when i get to my computer (i'm writing this from my iphone).
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    Why don't you take all your frilly liberal buddies, everyone pushing gun control legislation and your iPhone to Australia.

    Last I checked you weren't being forced to live in the greatest nation on this earth.

    You know your country is phucked when the very things on which is was founded become dissected and removed at the will of your elected dictator.
    Truth is the man should have been impeached by now but the idiots who voted for him are too obtuse to add 1+1 =2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    You are totally incorrect with you figures and not well informed.

    Australias gun deaths have less than HALVED since 1996 when their reforms were brought in. Some other crime (robbery etc) did initially slightly rise but this levelled off as well. It takes time for gun reforms to work, it doesn't happen overnight. But more than half a reduction on the number of gun deaths since their reforms happened is a pretty significant statistic. And let's say for example that some other forms of crime slightly increased, i would much prefer this if it meant gun deaths were considerably reduced and i didnt need to protect myself. Did u know that only approximately 200 people are killed in australia by guns every year? Quite a miniscule number. And a majority of those are bikie/gang/drug related. And no other forms of violent crime or murder are not significantly high.

    And yes i will provide facts to back this up when i get to my computer (i'm writing this from my iphone).
    First I take offence to you calling me uninformed, and how am I incorrect with my figures when I provided documented stats from reputable sources? To rebut your argument and how infeasible it is, lets also take into account the vast difference in size and population density of the United States of America. 23 mil vs 313 mil (rounded up) not only is an affective gun buy back program not cost efficient if you evenly transfer the spike of violence and crime from Australia to the USA you would have chaos . Now I am not saying that I would be apposing a gun free Utopia where crime was zero and there was NO NEED for guns. But the fact of the matter is that this is not a world that we are currently living in. And to address a point that you brought up regarding a criminals ability to get a gun and I quote you "along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. " How do you think war lords in Africa get guns? Do you think they go down to their local Bass Pro shop and ask for a military grade AK-47? No of coarse not. Where there is evil good people need an equalizer. I promise you if you went out with a responsible gun owner and learned that guns are not scary death machines and when used properly and with respect they can be a helpful self defense tool or an enjoyable piece of recreation equipment. But like anything if used incorrectly or in evil and negligent hand it can cause harm. But why should responsible gun owners like my self be penalized for the actions of another person? I most certainly should not epically as an American living in the Land of the Free. And personally I believe that this is the first time this country's government has actually worked recently protecting its citizens rights in recent history
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamonster14 View Post
    Why don't you take all your frilly liberal buddies, everyone pushing gun control legislation and your iPhone to Australia.

    Last I checked you weren't being forced to live in the greatest nation on this earth.

    You know your country is phucked when the very things on which is was founded become dissected and removed at the will of your elected dictator.
    Truth is the man should have been impeached by now but the idiots who voted for him are too obtuse to add 1+1 =2.
    Just because something was made a 'right' a few hundred years ago doesn't make it RIGHT in todays world.

    The country these rights were founded on was in a world of cowboys and indians, was in a world of english invading another country and claiming it by force as their own, was in a world where black people were brought to the country as slaves. What a great country. Times change mate and so do Laws and rights that are relevant to the times u live in. If you can't get your head around that you are a fool.

    I actually spend more and more time in Australia every year and will no doubt pack up and move there permanently America can EAD
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    I fail to connect with any of the so called valid points you have made throughout your diatribe.

    I would pick my "redneck " "cowboy" gun toting Bible banging Americans over your sorry self loathing arse any day and I'm sure that the vast majority of America agrees with me.

    The problem lies within the accountability of the individual. Not the inalienable rights of the individual given by the democracy in which they live

    So again I say to you, pack your bags and make the change for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post

    First I take offence to you calling me uninformed, and how am I incorrect with my figures when I provided documented stats from reputable sources? To rebut your argument and how infeasible it is, lets also take into account the vast difference in size and population density of the United States of America. 23 mil vs 313 mil (rounded up) not only is an affective gun buy back program not cost efficient if you evenly transfer the spike of violence and crime from Australia to the USA you would have chaos . Now I am not saying that I would be apposing a gun free Utopia where crime was zero and there was NO NEED for guns. But the fact of the matter is that this is not a world that we are currently living in. And to address a point that you brought up regarding a criminals ability to get a gun and I quote you "along with a total ban and no gun shops around to buy guns, it becomes very difficult to get a hold of one. " How do you think war lords in Africa get guns? Do you think they go down to their local Bass Pro shop and ask for a military grade AK-47? No of coarse not. Where there is evil good people need an equalizer. I promise you if you went out with a responsible gun owner and learned that guns are not scary death machines and when used properly and with respect they can be a helpful self defense tool or an enjoyable piece of recreation equipment. But like anything if used incorrectly or in evil and negligent hand it can cause harm. But why should responsible gun owners like my self be penalized for the actions of another person? I most certainly should not epically as an American living in the Land of the Free. And personally I believe that this is the first time this country's government has actually worked recently protecting its citizens rights in recent history
    You comparing America to Africa is like comparing Mexico to America, it's worse than apples and oranges, it's like comparing watermelon and spinach. Africa houses terrorists and is a 3rd world country. This is why i have used Australia as an example as it is more comparable, do you understand that? So to say you are uninformed as an understatement.

    I understand that there are plenty of Law Abiding Citizens that treat guns with respect and would only use if necessary but the problem is thay because there are so many messed up people/druggos/criminals in your country, they can access guns with ease.

    Adam Lanza's mother was a Law Abiding Citizen but that didnt stop this kid easily accessing the guns to kill those innocent kids. Most of the school shooting massacres that have occured have been commited by other older 'kids' themselves who have had easy access to their parents guns, even though they were 'locked' away. So how could these occurances have been prevented then?

    Why is not having a gun being penalized? It's a weapon for f@#k sake. No one should be allowed to carry one except for Law enforcement.
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    Hmm make guns illegal and shut down gun stores, seems like a great idea!


    Except for the people who wiwill be put out of work, increasing our unemployment.

    Oh yeah, and I feel like we did that before with other substances (steroids, narcotics, alcohol). It worked so well then, I don't know anyone who ever got any of that stuff when it was illegal....
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    Also, I'm a big fan of all of the open mindedness on both sides.

    Especially OP. It actually sounds like none of our rights are acceptable considering you can't even accept that in a country with FREEDOM OF SPEECH people have different opinions.

    So, because I believe I should have the right to own a gun if I so please; I am a hillbilly, redneck, ignorant, hick.....seems legit.

    Also, before you speak of how uninformed/ignorant everyone is; it may be worth using your spell check. Or actually forming sentences....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    You comparing America to Africa is like comparing Mexico to America, it's worse than apples and oranges, it's like comparing watermelon and spinach. Africa houses terrorists and is a 3rd world country. This is why i have used Australia as an example as it is more comparable, do you understand that? So to say you are uninformed as an understatement.

    I understand that there are plenty of Law Abiding Citizens that treat guns with respect and would only use if necessary but the problem is thay because there are so many messed up people/druggos/criminals in your country, they can access guns with ease.

    Adam Lanza's mother was a Law Abiding Citizen but that didnt stop this kid easily accessing the guns to kill those innocent kids. Most of the school shooting massacres that have occured have been commited by other older 'kids' themselves who have had easy access to their parents guns, even though they were 'locked' away. So how could these occurances have been prevented then?

    Why is not having a gun being penalized? It's a weapon for f@#k sake. No one should be allowed to carry one except for Law enforcement.
    I was in no way comparing Americas economical well being to Africa's but to continue on the topic of terrorist, Americas gang and criminal organization are well funded and have the ability to arm them selves to the teeth without needed to go to a local store and buy one from a retailer. That was the point I was making. And I ask you if there are so many 'messed up people/druggos/criminals" out there and response times from our tax funded public service people is atrocious how would taking away our ability to efficiently defend our selves solve anything? It wouldnt. Look up the story of the man who was on business who got a call from his wife about an intruder, a gun saved her life. That is how it is being penalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Hmm make guns illegal and shut down gun stores, seems like a great idea!

    Except for the people who wiwill be put out of work, increasing our unemployment.

    Oh yeah, and I feel like we did that before with other substances (steroids, narcotics, alcohol). It worked so well then, I don't know anyone who ever got any of that stuff when it was illegal....
    What about innocent people that get shot dead everyday? They are most definitely put out of work. What about innocent kids that are shot dead? They never get the chance to work. U would rather have gun shops employing people then lives saved?! Another example of why America is doomed. Surely these gun shop workers can find jobs elsewhere.

    Alcohol is not illegal i dont know why u mentioned that. People that use steroids and narcotics for personal use is quite easy to stay on it as it's for themselves and the penalties are minor for personal use. Guns on the other hand KILL people and any1 caught with a gun should be jailed, which is a deterrent (not for everyone). As i mentioned previously which u obviously can't read, when there are no gun shops and minimal guns on streets, black market prices for guns would rise considerably and would make it so much harder for criminals to get a hold of one. Im not saying there will be ZERO gun deaths and that criminals still won't use guns but the numbers will be reduced to such an insignificant number that it will be well worth it. And again, these changes don't happen overnight, it takes time, understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Also, I'm a big fan of all of the open mindedness on both sides.

    Especially OP. It actually sounds like none of our rights are acceptable considering you can't even accept that in a country with FREEDOM OF SPEECH people have different opinions.

    So, because I believe I should have the right to own a fun if I so please; I am a hillbilly, redneck, ignorant, hick.....seems legit.

    Also, before you speak of how uninformed/ignorant everyone is; it may be worth using your spell check. Or actually forming sentences....
    HAHAHAHAHAHA! U just shot yourself in the foot with that last comment (no pun intended). U tell me to use spell check yet u can't even spell gun. Go back and read what u just wrote- "i should have the right to own a fun" so correct yourself before you correct others. Hahahaha wow you are stupid. How do u feel about that???

    BTW, i'm not writing a formal letter or essay, i write on this forum like I write text messages and shorten words and abbreviate where i want to. So don't try and sound like you are Mr Smart when you are far from it.
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    One thing I've noticed about retards like the op bashing America's freedoms. I haven't seen one yet use proper grammar, spelling or put together a decent sentence. Boy, sign me up to be like him!
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    As for Adam Lanza or any of the socially inept people that have become the stereo type for atrocities like this if the parents, family, or friends would have been more attentive and put some time into towards addressing their mental health issues maybe this would not have happened. But ill tell you one thing I would be far more afraid of a crazy person with a 6 round shotgun that one with a 30 round .223 those rounds were meant for coyote and varmint. Buck shot was meant for big game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsugsr View Post
    One thing I've noticed about retards like the op bashing America's freedoms. I haven't seen one yet use proper grammar, spelling or put together a decent sentence. Boy, sign me up to be like him!
    As mentioned previously which u obviously can't read. This is not a spelling contest or a formal letter or an essay or whatever else requires use of proper grammar. Is it too hard for you to understand that 'u' means you? Wow U are more stupid than i thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    What about innocent people that get shot dead everyday? They are most definitely put out of work. What about innocent kids that are shot dead? They never get the chance to work. U would rather have gun shops employing people then lives saved?! Another example of why America is doomed. Surely these gun shop workers can find jobs elsewhere.

    Alcohol is not illegal i dont know why u mentioned that. People that use steroids and narcotics for personal use is quite easy to stay on it as it's for themselves and the penalties are minor for personal use. Guns on the other hand KILL people and any1 caught with a gun should be jailed, which is a deterrent (not for everyone). As i mentioned previously which u obviously can't read, when there are no gun shops and minimal guns on streets, black market prices for guns would rise considerably and would make it so much harder for criminals to get a hold of one. Im not saying there will be ZERO gun deaths and that criminals still won't use guns but the numbers will be reduced to such an insignificant number that it will be well worth it. And again, these changes don't happen overnight, it takes time, understand that.
    That's one hell of a 'what if' scenario.

    Once again you show your true ignorance. Notice I speak in the past tense. Now see if you remember the prohibition. Alcohol being illegal, not that long ago. And what happened? People kept getting alcohol and gangsters got rich and powerful supplying it.

    You assume prices would go up on weapons if one were to ban them and remove LEGAL sale of them. I counter with cocaine/marijuana/Meth/any drug. You can't go pick those up at the pharmacy yet so many get their hands on them all the time


    The only people who are hurt by gun control are law abiding citizens. You speak about Australia, talking about how similar we are as a country. But neglect the fact that the U.S. is bordered by two other countries, one of which has illegal items smuggled across on a daily basis; while the other is an ISLAND.

    You take guns from law abiding citizens, and you take away their home security. Criminals wouldn't give up their firearms or would just get them on the black market (and they wouldn't be all that expensive because of all the licensing fees/taxes that would be removed from the sale).

    And even if they were successful (which is one hell of a stretch in a country this size) that doesn't stop anything. What about that guy in Texas who stabbed 15 people at a college. Do we ban kitchen knives now too?

    Store owners/home owners not being allowed to have guns is not a good idea. What stops a criminal from walking in with a 2x4, knife, or bat? He still kills a defenseless family and what do we do then? Ban anything that can be used in an evil way to hurt another person? Seems like an awesome idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    As for Adam Lanza or any of the socially inept people that have become the stereo type for atrocities like this if the parents, family, or friends would have been more attentive and put some time into towards addressing their mental health issues maybe this would not have happened. But ill tell you one thing I would be far more afraid of a crazy person with a 6 round shotgun that one with a 30 round .223 those rounds were meant for coyote and varmint. Buck shot was meant for big game.
    U fail to understand that a lot of 'mentally ill' people, or whatever u want to call them, are very good at hiding their problems. A lot of these young kids would never want to talk about or admit they have problems which is why they hide them and it bottles up. If his mum didn't have these guns he wouldnt have got a hold of them to shoot these kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    HAHAHAHAHAHA! U just shot yourself in the foot with that last comment (no pun intended). U tell me to use spell check yet u can't even spell gun. Go back and read what u just wrote- "i should have the right to own a fun" so correct yourself before you correct others. Hahahaha wow you are stupid. How do u feel about that???

    BTW, i'm not writing a formal letter or essay, i write on this forum like I write text messages and shorten words and abbreviate where i want to. So don't try and sound like you are Mr Smart when you are far from it.
    Great arguing point BTW.

    I'm posting on mobile as well (which occasionally auto corrects, as I'm sure you know) and I still don't look like some HS kid who's posting his liberal teachers opinion without forming one of his own, based upon life experience and empirical data.
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    All of your posts are attempts to attack a person as opposed to rebutting the opinions/facts that are stated.

    Which is proof that you have no logical reason (or evidence to suggest) that anything you are saying could even be true, and are simply arguing based upon an emotional response as opposed to a logical one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    That's one hell of a 'what if' scenario.

    Once again you show your true ignorance. Notice I speak in the past tense. Now are if you remember the prohibition. Alcohol being illegal, not that long ago. And what happened? People kept getting alcohol and gangsters got rich and powerful supplying it.

    You assume prices would go up on weapons if one were to ban them and remove LEGAL sale of them. I counter with cocaine/marijuana/Meth/any drug. You can't go pick those up at the pharmacy yet so many get their hands on them all the time

    The only people who are hurt by gun control are law abiding citizens. You speak about Australia, talking about how similar we are as a country. But neglect the fact that the U.S. is bordered by two other countries, one of which has illegal items smuggled across on a daily basis; while the other is an ISLAND.

    You take guns from law abiding citizens, and you take away their home security. Criminals wouldn't give up their firearms or would just get them on the black market (and they wouldn't be all that expensive because of all the licensing fees/taxes that would be removed from the sale).

    And even if they were successful (which is one hell of a stretch in a country this size) that doesn't stop anything. What about that guy in Texas who stabbed 15 people at a college. Do we ban kitchen knives now too?

    Store owners/home owners not being allowed to have guns is not a good idea. What stops a criminal from walking in with a 2x4, knife, or bat? He still kills a defenseless family and what do we do then? Ban anything that can be used in an evil way to hurt another person? Seems like an awesome idea.
    I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

    As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

    Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    U fail to understand that a lot of 'mentally ill' people, or whatever u want to call them, are very good at hiding their problems. A lot of these young kids would never want to talk about or admit they have problems which is why they hide them and it bottles up. If his mum didn't have these guns he wouldnt have got a hold of them to shoot these kids.
    No I understand perfectly that some people can hide their problems with great efficiency but I also know for a fact that these people were documented crazy. If his mom didnt have those guns, and I am going to use one of your what if scenarios, he would have probably locked the door to his moms class room and started setting kids on fire or some other atrocity. Guns are the tool because they are efficient. But they are just that, a tool. And a tool is only doing the bidding of the person wielding it. I will agree that there is solution out there somewhere that will stop all crime and untimely death but EVERYTHING that our government was proposing was a farce and would not have stopped a thing. What they were proposing was an infringement of our rights as Americans and our ability to be happy. If you can tell me how one thing that our government was proposing would have guaranteed to stop violent crime with guns I will tell you that you are right and defend what you are saying to everyone else that posts attacking your stance. However you wont. Because everything that was proposed was an overreaction and was simply done to save face. Nothing more nothing less. a I am proud that everything was shot down but ashamed it took so much of the tax payers money to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

    As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

    Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.

    That's cool, I'm glad that YOU would rather take your chances against a knife. (Your right to have an opinion, just as it is my right to own a firearm.)

    I personally would rather have a pistol on my person and would rather shoot the other guy and not have to take any chance (which is my opinion).

    Also, you're belief is that all guns should be illegal (because, as proven in the past. Making something illegal always gets it off the streets) So now people are no longer capable of going hunting (why not punish the majority because of the actions of a minority, right?) and you immediately put ranges, gun stores, and manufacturers out of business (which is a brilliant idea with a struggling economy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    I would much rather take my chances against a knife as i'm sure many other people would as well. Would u rather someone coming at u with a knife or a gun? I can personally disarm someone with a knife or if not then i can confidently outrun them, u can't outrun a bullet. Capish?

    As a store owner i would much rather someone come in to threaten me with a knife or bat then a gun. There is a good chance they will just rob u without killing u. If both criminal and store owner had guns, someone is DEFINITELY going to end up dead, and it's just as often the store owner as it is the criminal. I would much rather be robbed then shot dead. Would u not?

    Again u comparing knifes or other weapons to guns is a pretty silly argument. I would much rather take my chances with anything other than a gun.
    Do you even remember what you are arguing? you start a topic about how you believe that our system is messed up then you end up believing you can disarm a person wielding a knife or at least out run them. You still have not stated a single fact about why you believe that the USA is FUBAR other than that you think that Australia’s regulations on all firearms is better than ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
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    More proof of how ignorant u are.

    Guns are a tool designed to kill people (or animals). Again u quote your economy as more important than saving lives. I'm sure the people working in the gun industry can surely find jobs elsewhere.

    I understand u may feel comfortable with a gun, that's good for u. What i'm saying is that if an innocent civilian and a criminal are in a stand-off with a gun, someone is going to get shot dead, and its just as often the innocent person shot dead apposed to the criminal. Most people would rather not be in that situation or have to tale that chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post

    Your missing the point, prescription drugs don't kill people on purpose (although some do overdose on purpose). Guns are used as a weapon to kill people, on purpose. You can't control accidental deaths but u can stop things intended to kill someone.
    Actually there are numerous drugs that the manufactures knew would kill people with certain conditions and the pharmaceuticals intentionally let's out this info until class action suits pop up
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    OP if you don't like America and the freedoms MEN like me have protected WITH GUNS get out. Go to Mexico, Canada, or Australia where their illegal. Go somewhere in Europe. Put a good point on the table if your going to argue. Every statement you've made is skewed statistics and far fetched conjecture and what if statements. Taking guns away from "gun toting rednecks" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Its absurd actually. It's like taking cars knives and other dangerous items away because a few ass holes don't know how to use them. It's like taking a spoon away because it makes people fat. Its like putting caution contents hot on a cup of coffee because some dumb ass burned themselves on it. For christ sake its a HOT drink did they expect frost bite jn the event if pouring it in their lap? You're turning guns into scapegoats. Their an inanimate object they're not at fault it's the user.

    As I said if you don't like American freedoms feel free to leave. If you're going to argue arm your self with facts. Not skewed Obama stats like 40% of guns are bought with out background checks or 90% of Americans wanted this weeks bill to pass. I've purchased and sold over 20 firearms in this past 10 years. Not once was I not background checked in the multiple states ice resided in. In fact when I sold a few it was done through a federally licensed dealer. Why? I'm a responsible law abiding citizen. Why should I lose my rights because a few ass holes ruined things for me and every other average law abiding citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    It can't even pass a Law extending background checks to ALL people looking to purchase a gun.

    Wtf is wrong with USA, it's bad enough the streets are filled with guns, now a simple Law making it harder for criminals to attain guns can't even be passed.

    A corrupt and doomed Country...
    If you think that the Toomey-Manchin bill is only about "background checks" then you are a sheep like the rest of the clueless flock. Try reading it....there is serious liberty infringement in there....idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    More proof of how ignorant u are.

    Guns are a tool designed to kill people (or animals). Again u quote your economy as more important than saving lives. I'm sure the people working in the gun industry can surely find jobs elsewhere.

    I understand u may feel comfortable with a gun, that's good for u. What i'm saying is that if an innocent civilian and a criminal are in a stand-off with a gun, someone is going to get shot dead, and its just as often the innocent person shot dead apposed to the criminal. Most people would rather not be in that situation or have to tale that chance.
    Ill take that as a no you dont remember what your arguing or you have lost all faith in your initial statement and have been reduced to petty name calling and completely off topic banter. I am going to chalk this one up as a win for my self today thank you for helping me pass the time today at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    As I said if you don't like American freedoms feel free to leave. If you're going to argue arm your self with facts. Not skewed Obama stats like 40% of guns are bought with out background checks or 90% of Americans wanted this weeks bill to pass. I've purchased and sold over 20 firearms in this past 10 years. Not once was I not background checked in the multiple states ice resided in. In fact when I sold a few it was done through a federally licensed dealer. Why? I'm a responsible law abiding citizen. Why should I lose my rights because a few ass holes ruined things for me and every other average law abiding citizen.
    Amen brother!!!!
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    Ok you wanted the facts, here they are, and yes I am going to use Australia as the example because the Laws were similar to Amercia before their reforms were brought in from 1996.

    Because I can’t post links yet, instead of the *** insert www
    ***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
    ***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    *Key Statistics- Australia:

    - Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
    - Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isn’t quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980’s the number’s were up close to 700.
    - Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 1996: 2.82
    - Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 2010: 1.06 (number of deaths have gone down while the population has considerably gone up). One of the lowest rates in the world.
    - Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 15 (one of the lowest rates in the world)

    *Key Statistics- USA

    - Total Gun Deaths 1999: 28,874
    - Total Gun Deaths 2011: 32,163
    - Rate of Gun Deaths 2011: 10.3 per 100,000 people. One of the worst/highest rates in the world. 10 times more likely to be shot dead by a Gun than in Australia.
    - Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 88.8 (USA is ranked the highest in the world, all them guns don’t seem to be doing you much good is it?)

    So there is your evidence, real world facts and statistics of 1) how gun reform works and 2) how atrocious Americas statistics are. Yes Australia’s actual numbers are much lower that’s because of the difference in population. I would much rather live in a country with less than 200 Gun deaths per year with a population of almost 25 million, and again most of the deaths there are bikie/gang/drug related so it's just the scum killing eachother. So, I might just book the next flight after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glawry View Post
    Ok you wanted the facts, here they are, and yes I am going to use Australia as the example because the Laws were similar to Amercia before their reforms were brought in from 1996.

    Because I canít post links yet, instead of the *** insert www
    ***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
    ***.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    *Key Statistics- Australia:

    - Total Gun Deaths 1996: 516
    - Total Gun Deaths 2010: 236, less than half of the gun deaths of 1996. 2012 which isnít quoted in the statistics were less than 200 gun deaths. In the 1980ís the numberís were up close to 700.
    - Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 1996: 2.82
    - Rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 People 2010: 1.06 (number of deaths have gone down while the population has considerably gone up). One of the lowest rates in the world.
    - Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 15 (one of the lowest rates in the world)

    *Key Statistics- USA

    - Total Gun Deaths 1999: 28,874
    - Total Gun Deaths 2011: 32,163
    - Rate of Gun Deaths 2011: 10.3 per 100,000 people. One of the worst/highest rates in the world. 10 times more likely to be shot dead by a Gun than in Australia.
    - Rate of Firearm possession per 100 people: 88.8 (USA is ranked the highest in the world, all them guns donít seem to be doing you much good is it?)

    So there is your evidence, real world facts and statistics of 1) how gun reform works and 2) how atrocious Americas statistics are. Yes Australiaís actual numbers are much lower thatís because of the difference in population. I would much rather live in a country with less than 200 Gun deaths per year with a population of almost 25 million, and again most of the deaths there are bikie/gang/drug related so it's just the scum killing eachother. So, I might just book the next flight after all.
    So I am going to chalk this one up as a win for myself today, thank you for helping me pass the time at work. Amen Brother!
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