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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly

    No bro, it is 60mg per capsule. The serving consists on 3 capsules, each one of 60mg wich makes a total of 180mg per serving
    So what if andromass has 225mg of this per serving? Hell even androbulk has 300mg of it per serving, but for price they charge for either product and if this one goes on the same price as AlphaMass, you can easely buy 2 bottles of AlphaBulk, dose it at the double wich makes 360mg of it and you still have some money left for PCT, not to mention this is going to be the 4-DHEA-only product so well dosed on the market so I see no problem about that
    Are you sure about this? As this is not how the label reads.....
    And, out of curiosity, how much berberine is in here? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    No bro, it is 60mg per capsule. The serving consists on 3 capsules, each one of 60mg wich makes a total of 180mg per serving
    So what if andromass has 225mg of this per serving? Hell even androbulk has 300mg of it per serving, but for price they charge for either product and if this one goes on the same price as AlphaMass, you can easely buy 2 bottles of AlphaBulk, dose it at the double wich makes 360mg of it and you still have some money left for PCT, not to mention this is going to be the 4-DHEA-only product so well dosed on the market so I see no problem about that
    maybe im misunderstanding... not what the label says... label says

    servings size 3
    mg/serving 60mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Are you sure about this? As this is not how the label reads.....
    And, out of curiosity, how much berberine is in here? Lol.
    I'm not suppose to say, but in a day you will get 600mg's of berberine...actually more than that, Rhizoma Coptidis also contains additional berberine. 1 day = 6 caps

    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    maybe im misunderstanding... not what the label says... label says

    servings size 3
    mg/serving 60mg
    That's correct, to make it easier each cap has 20mg's of 4-DHEA enanthate.
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    Why is there berberine in the product? And rhizoma coptidis?

    Berberine is a popular supplement found in many OTC “nutrient partitioners”. However ForeRunner Labs is using berberine for an entirely different purpose. As we stated above lymphatic absorption prevents many of the negative barriers to prohormone bioavailability. However, even lymphatic absorption has limits. This is where ForeRunner Labs truly changes the game!


    We first need to explain one of the major barriers. And once again it happens in the intestines and liver. The majority of prohormones and their powerful testosterone based metabolites are broken down (oral prohormones) by cytochrome P450 (CYP450), and in particular cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) (11) (12). In fact it has been found that one or more of the CYP450 enzymes are responsible for almost 50% of the overall elimination of commonly used drugs (13)! And of the CYP450 family of enzymes the CYP3A family is the most abundant in both the liver and intestines (14):

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    Back to the berberine. Berberine was found to inhibit CYP3A4 in healthy human males (15). It’s always great to see animal research, but this was one of the few natural compounds that effectively reduced CYP3A4 enzymes in healthy guys like you. Reducing CYP3A4 will subsequently increase the bioavailability of your prohormone (by reducing its intestinal and hepatic breakdown). The particular study that tested berberine CYP3A4 inhibition found a 19% increase in bioavailability of the drug tested.


    Rhizoma Coptidis (huanglian) is a herb that has several alkaloids including the previously mentioned berberine. We included rhizome coptidis because research exists that suggests some of the other alkaloids may actually inhibit CYP3A4 and other CYP450 enzymes to an even greater degree (16). In fact they used testosterone as a CYP3A4 substrate to measure the various effectiveness of each alkaloids CYP inhibition (by measuring the resulting testosterone hydroxylation).


    Together berberine and rhizome coptidis effectively limit the breakdown of oral prohormones and subsequently increase their bioavailability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I'm not suppose to say, but in a day you will get 600mg's of berberine...actually more than that, Rhizoma Coptidis also contains additional berberine. 1 day = 6 caps



    That's correct, to make it easier each cap has 20mg's of 4-DHEA enanthate.
    so to match andro bulk we would have to take 15 of these (Someone posted that Andro bulk has 300mgs)?
    Disregarding the delivery system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    so to match andro bulk we would have to take 15 of these (Someone posted that Andro bulk has 300mgs)?
    Disregarding the delivery system.
    Yes your math is correct (assuming Andro bulk hasnt changed in a while). You dont need that high of dose though. And it will be cheaper to buy Alpha Bulk even to match dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd

    Yes your math is correct (assuming Andro bulk hasnt changed in a while). You dont need that high of dose though. And it will be cheaper to buy Alpha Bulk even to match dosing.
    I agree..
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    eh. 60mg? per serving? i hope its fairly inexpensive. im thinking 120mg a day is not going to do much. im basing this on experience with andromass, and ams 4ad at 4-6tabs a day. if im not mistaken 4xday AMS tabs is 160mg a day. and thats the min dossage in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasamoto View Post
    eh. 60mg? per serving? i hope its fairly inexpensive. im thinking 120mg a day is not going to do much. im basing this on experience with andromass, and ams 4ad at 4-6tabs a day. if im not mistaken 4xday AMS tabs is 160mg a day. and thats the min dossage in my opinion.
    I think the problem is the expectations set forth by some companies for this compound. It's great to eliminate side effects (primarily libido drops, and lethargy), when your using more suppressive compounds (1-Androsterone, superdrol, etc). It's not going to straight up add slabs of muscle onto your frame like testosterone though.

    It should be in the 30-40 range for price. And we will likely do some deals very soon as we launch a new website for FRL.
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    at 30-40$ is this going to be stonger than AMS 4ad box per box all i need to know. if you run a pre-sale, im in!

    AMS 4ad 40mg x60=2400mg of active
    alphaBulk 20mgx168=3360mg of active
    Androbulk 100mgx168=16,800mg of active

    i could be wrong about my numbers, but its looks like alphabulk should be a good 50% stronger, box per box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBGRigatoni View Post
    They are begin bottled as we speak. Thank God.
    Bro.....I got a couple empty AlphaMass bottles.....How bout I send them to ya, fill em up and send em back! Save the planet Bro, recycle! LOL Discount refill like a Big Gulp at the 7-11!!
    Them caps look like something David Banner took to turn himself into Lou Ferrigno. AlphaHulk.......Yeah thats got nice ring to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadzilla
    Bro.....I got a couple empty AlphaMass bottles.....How bout I send them to ya, fill em up and send em back! Save the planet Bro, recycle! LOL Discount refill like a Big Gulp at the 7-11!!
    Them caps look like something David Banner took to turn himself into Lou Ferrigno. AlphaHulk.......Yeah thats got nice ring to it!
    Nice epic reply LOL
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    So what's the recomendation for an AlphaMass/AlphaBulk cycle? Was hoping to get this going right away, so I was thinking maybe I should start off with the AlphaMass and then add the AlphaBulk in two weeks if it comes out by then, for a 6 week cycle. Maybe kick up the AlphaMass with a second bottle to 3/3/3 last two weeks of the AlphaBulk cycle. Libido will definately be in the tank but it'll come back in PCT. So what do you guys think, should I order the AM now or wait?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I think the problem is the expectations set forth by some companies for this compound. It's great to eliminate side effects (primarily libido drops, and lethargy), when your using more suppressive compounds (1-Androsterone, superdrol, etc). It's not going to straight up add slabs of muscle onto your frame like testosterone though.

    It should be in the 30-40 range for price. And we will likely do some deals very soon as we launch a new website for FRL.
    keep us posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag

    keep us posted
    Very soon gang..I do know caps are getting bottles labeled etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBGRigatoni View Post
    Very soon gang..I do know caps are getting bottles labeled etc
    Edit- Damn so your product will have slightly more 4DHEA than andromass and the same as bulk.

    If you guys run a monster presale you could find customers very happy.

    The only problem i can see is that androbulk contains the same amount of 4dhea, and androbulk has 5600 mg of 19 nor dhea (in my opinion a throw away product but who knows what people think).

    what will be your response if people complain about this fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax

    Edit- Damn so your product will have slightly more 4DHEA than andromass and the same as bulk.

    If you guys run a monster presale you could find customers very happy.

    The only problem i can see is that androbulk contains the same amount of 4dhea, and androbulk has 5600 mg of 19 nor dhea (in my opinion a throw away product but who knows what people think).

    what will be your response if people complain about this fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    FRL products are specifically designed to not create the stacks for you and leave that in your power.
    i know i have asked this before, but you guys have expert authority on the matter having seen more cases than I have. I have seen it argued that 4dhea is STRONGER than 4diol was because it converts to the dione and the diol and bioavailability with these hormones is not an issue because of the advanced delivery systems.

    How much 4dhea would be needed (aside from dione and diol being active without conversion) to get a solid test base of 1500ng/dl. Again I am not asking for science or clinical trials. I am asking for your opinion on the matter.

    People have run MENTdione (19nor testosterone) and andromass and seen there test levels up to 1000ng/dl. Not above normal physiological levels but at least a nice base if you want to ADD other hormones.

    What is your opinion as we keep being told that more than 160mg of 4dhea would be more than enough. The question is enough for what?

    I want 1500ng/dl testosterone levels. I dont care if i have to take and dissolve pills all day long. What are your thought on this? (just bought 12 boxes of 4AD RD)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I think the problem is the expectations set forth by some companies for this compound. It's great to eliminate side effects (primarily libido drops, and lethargy), when your using more suppressive compounds (1-Androsterone, superdrol, etc). It's not going to straight up add slabs of muscle onto your frame like testosterone though.

    It should be in the 30-40 range for price. And we will likely do some deals very soon as we launch a new website for FRL.
    I am dissappoint..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Maybe I jumped the gun but I didn't see the ingredient profile lol. Just clicked and ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Maybe I jumped the gun but I didn't see the ingredient profile lol. Just clicked and ordered.
    Just go back 2 pages big man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I think the problem is the expectations set forth by some companies for this compound. It's great to eliminate side effects (primarily libido drops, and lethargy), when your using more suppressive compounds (1-Androsterone, superdrol, etc). It's not going to straight up add slabs of muscle onto your frame like testosterone though.

    It should be in the 30-40 range for price. And we will likely do some deals very soon as we launch a new website for FRL.
    so dissapointed about price... what happened to 30-40 price range??
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    Got my AlphaMass/AlphaBulk stack on it's way. Probably should have waited for a combo sale or promo but WTF FRL is worth it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasamoto View Post
    so dissapointed about price... what happened to 30-40 price range??
    We dont set retailer prices. You guys know that. There is only one vendor right now, more to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasamoto

    so dissapointed about price... what happened to 30-40 price range??
    Would you rather pay $210?
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