Your opinion on HST training?
03-31-2005 11:28 PM
WSB for strength, definately. Will add mass to you, too.
04-01-2005 12:15 AM
I'm getting bigger and I train WSB style
04-01-2005 12:20 AM
i truly believe you can put on size with nearly all of these types of programs (HIT, max-ot, WSB, DC, HST) .. varying up training and MOST IMPORTANTLY diet are both key ... they type of workout is important but i think in the end they will all result in growth .. that said i don't like HST at all really
04-01-2005 12:50 AM
Word on that stud
Originally Posted by exnihilo
04-03-2005 08:43 PM
Don't lie, toothpick....I've seen your avatar and your girly limbs :P
Originally Posted by exnihilo
Okay, okay...so I'm kidding
Haven't heard too much good on HST lately. Never ended up trying it b/c it never did make sense to me. I ended up droping the volume, therefore increasing my rest and recovery time and I'm thanking myself now good stuff.
04-03-2005 11:07 PM
Well said. We can tell that some here prefer strength and PL type routines, which is fine, but IMO in reality just about ANY program that is based in science and incorporates basic resistance training concepts will yield results in size and strength gains. The discussion here seems to be which is "best" in each department, whether or not that was the original intent. I am also making size and strength gains while on HST, so
Originally Posted by glenihan
04-04-2005 06:13 AM
No matter what, I think it is a good idea to variate aspects of training in order to provide fresh growth and adaptation. One of the benefits of this is; it provides injury free training which is imperative to consistent growth.
04-04-2005 02:47 PM
Is great for keeping gains during PCT. you may even make some sleight gains depending on what compounds you used and the duration of the cycle.
But as we all (should) know, variation is key in lifting. Sure I love HST, but I only do maybe 2, 8 week courses of it a year.
04-18-2005 09:59 PM
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
I agree. There is no best one. As long as you have a decent ECC/CON time frame you will grow. I usually start everyone on the programs that the majority will respond to but it sure doens't cover everyone. Some response to lower CON times with increased ECC times (DC training..I still laugh at the thought that he named it after himself). Some respond to lower ECC times but higher volume and some just like a normal CON/ECC ratio with low volume.
Originally Posted by jweave23
You just have to tinker around and find what works for you and you don't to change routines completely to keep the body guessing. Just a change in rep time is sufficient enough.
04-19-2005 12:36 AM
for variety's sake, and when properly implimented I think it has merit. I have never done a full length (6 weeks) cycle of HST, or a "pure" HST cycle, however. The variety of it, however, helped.
04-26-2005 04:48 PM
I have been doing a 4 day split the past year or two, and tried HST this spring, I've got 2 weeks left.
I love it! It works great for me. I think I will be doing it more often, the change has to be good. Probably alternate between a cycle of HST , and my traditional split every once in a while.
I gained about 10lbs in the past 5 weeks, with minimal fat, bigger all around.
The last two weeks of HST I'm doing is Negatives, TUT sort of priciples. I hear from people the 2 weeks of 5's and these 2 weeks of Negatives promote the most growth.
So I have to chime in and say, for me, that HST was a welcome change to my routine although It took a lot of focus for me to want to lift lighter in the beginning (i was scared of getting smaller), but it was worth it in the end.
Over on the HST board, people have said it is a good routine for cutting too. I am about to start cutting
04-26-2005 10:14 PM
I'm in the middle of my 5th week of HST... It has worked pretty well...
I'm all natural right now and diet is sketchy because of my schedule... but I've burned fat and gained muscle definition for sure... strength has gone up some, etc...
i've gained about 10lbs naturally...
I can definitely feel the difference when the rep scheme changes... i had gotten used to 15s, then changed to 10s (and i raised the volume too actually) and really felt blasted... then changed to 5s and raised the volume just a little bit more, and definitely feeling it after monday's workout... youch....
04-27-2005 08:28 AM
Most people seem to get the best results from constant or increasing volume. One thing you might try is what's called the cluster style of HST, where you pick a reasonable volume to work with, say 20 to 30 reps per exercise, and then do what you need to do to hit that rep count during each phase of the HST cycle while maintaining the load increase. So if you're doing some weight that you can only get 8 reps out, you do that, rest pause, push as many out as you can again, rest pause, etc until you hit 20 reps. Basically this method allows you to keep volume constant. One danger is you still don't want to go past you 5 rep max until you hit the negatives. Once you get past that rep max it gets harder to maintain a sufficient time under tension, even when completing the 20 reps. The movements become too intense and start to demand too much recovery in between sets. Danger of overtraining becomes more likely.
Originally Posted by Bean
04-27-2005 01:52 PM
This is what I have done with mhy current cycle. I only do about 16 reps per exercise, but that works well for me. (i.e 3 sets of 5's, 2 sets of 8's, etc).
04-27-2005 02:27 PM
I seem to be responding pretty well to the higher volume right now, doing 20 reps three times a week. Working nicely. When I get to the fives I may have to drop it though and throw in some drop sets instead. My joints aren't what they used to be.
Originally Posted by jweave23
05-15-2005 06:25 PM
Any advice on using aas while on hst? I read the fact but it gave help for 2 week cycles. I am planning a 6 week cycle for a 12/8/5 schedule. Not sure if I should just go about the way I normally do, or If I should push my strength much more so while I am on. As is adding more weight each time and at the end of each 2 week period have the weight ending up higher than I could have previously lifted assuming the aas will bring my strength up to their. What are your opinions for using on hst? Go for it or use something else that will get better use of the aas (for mass building purposes)?
05-15-2005 08:07 PM
*Shrug* some people respond well to HST, seems like most don't respond very well though (I think a lot of people who respond well also just needed to take a week and a half break from hitting the weights anyhow). I think like anything else there are some tenants of HST which are good (SD, reduced volume, increased frequency) but as a "system" it's off base.
If you've got a routine that's been working for you stick with it while on cycle. If you don't, I'd suggest looking at adapting your routine to a "brawn" style routine, or if you're interested in really jacking your strength gains through the roof (at the POSSIBLE cost of some size gains, though not in my experience) a simplified WSB based routine.
05-15-2005 09:03 PM
When you say "brawn" style...you mean from the book "Beyond Brawn?" Basically very brief workouts with compound exercises (and maybe a bit of rest-pause training?)
Originally Posted by exnihilo
05-15-2005 10:09 PM
05-16-2005 08:17 AM
It's generally best to keep AAS short whileon HST, and place the cycle somewhere within the heavy lifting portion of the cycle. Say the last week of tens and first week of fives. For a longer AAS cycle I'd start it around the last week of tens and keep pushing through the fives, raising the weight when you can.
Originally Posted by snakebyte05
As for HST being off base, Exnihilo, I don't quite know what you mean by that. There's nothing off base in the research that supports it. When I do find people who don't respond well to it, both in real life and on the internet, it's always because they are doing something wrong. Either they don't SD before the cycle, they lift heavier weights than they are supposed to too early in the cycle. Everyone I know who has tried it more than once, who has gone through the basic cycle, learned from it and started tweaking to make it better fit themselves, has great results with it. The 15/10/5/negatives set up is the basic one size fits all implimentation of HST. As such it's not going to be as effective for everyone. Searching on the HST message boards you'll find tons of tweaked routines that still fit the basic principles of HST. But they also allow for higher volume for those who feel they need it, or consistent volume, or increasing or decreasing volume. Some people have developed routines that favor bigger increments in the weight change. Some do cluster HST as I do. Some skip the fifteens, some take negatives and make them the base of much more of the cycle.
People should also realize HST is not strength oriented. You will gain some strength, but nothing like you would if you hit a hybrid or specifically designed strength routine. It's also in my opinion the only weightlifting program that's truly on base, because rather than claiming it's based on science the actual science it's based in is posted on the site for anyone who wants to read it and discuss its import.
If you want size and don't prioritize strength, I'd feel confident saying some tweaked form of HST will end up working best for you.
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