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  1. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    Do you think the lethargy comes from the M-Sten or maybe the ultra low carb off days? I'm curious to your diet specifics as you said you feel confident you've nailed it. Considering were the same hight and you have +100lbs on me I wanna know how to get there!

    What's your intra workout shake? Ive always done water but thinking to change it up to help gains.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    Pretty sure the M-Sten. I have been tired on low activity low carb off days. Never usually this tired even on high activity low carb days. I eat plenty of carbs on lifting days.

    I only eat 3 times maybe 4 times a day. I will give an idea for my lifting days.
    Coffee a few hours after waking. 1 tablespoon coconut oil and 10 grams of whey isolate.
    1st meal is meat probably 100 grams of protein. Fat is at least 50 grams usually more.
    Post workout(25 to 30 minutes after workout) is 35 grams of fast protein(will go into greater detail later), 10 grams of casein, scoop of recoverpro, creatine mono(recoverpro scooper), 1 scoop of rilose(fast carb, also have used dextrose)
    2nd meal about 30 to 45 after post workout is pretty much stuff myself with protein and carbs. Usually white rice with some kind of lean meat. If still hungry some kind of rice or corn based cereal with milk.
    Before my 3rd meal 20 grams whey hydro, recoverpro, creatine mono, a little dextrose
    3rd meal is about an hour to 90 minutes later. It is more dessert based. A favorite of mine is a turnover warmed with vanilla ice cream on top. Then maybe more cereal. Kind of hard to eat anymore here.
    4th meal might be some cottage cheese or lean meat. This is just so I wont go to bed too hungry and so my fast(trying to keep the fast between meals around 12 hours) wont be as long because of work.

    My intra workout shake is 50 grams of glycofuse by gaspari, 20 grams of whey hydro, creatine mono, and recoverpro.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Pretty sure the M-Sten.
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
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  3. I figured as much. Being super low carb, even on days of activity, shouldnt cause what you're describing. Oh well, comes with the territory I suppose. How many hours do you usually sleep at night (unless you work nights)?

    My idea was 20-25g whey isolate, 50g Glycomyx, BCAA's, citrulline malate. My creatine is capped pre/post workout.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  4. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
    Didn't know stano was good to fight tiredness. Good to know.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  5. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post

    Didn't know stano was good to fight tiredness. Good to know.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    I think its because its a DHT base for cycle.

  6. Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I think its because its a DHT base for cycle.
    yes.
    not my preference for a base (would rather use true test base) but it does work.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.
    true.
    and i have been on 1-Alpha for 5 weeks too, which obviously 1-andros do have high lethargy potential.
    so - i don't come out and lay it all on m-sten..
    do think it is contributing tho, as lethargy has kicked up since use, not prior.

    just my best .02

  8. Yea, I have a feeling the extra strain on the liver and other organs probably results in some lethargy as well.

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
    It feels more noticeable than I remember in the past. Could also be the fact I am a bit more active during the day now. Interested to hear how the stano helps. Kind of want to pick up another bottle of M-Sten and extend my run with 4-AD(AMS).

    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    I figured as much. Being super low carb, even on days of activity, shouldnt cause what you're describing. Oh well, comes with the territory I suppose. How many hours do you usually sleep at night (unless you work nights)?

    My idea was 20-25g whey isolate, 50g Glycomyx, BCAA's, citrulline malate. My creatine is capped pre/post workout.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    My ultra low carb days are under 30 grams(not including fiber). But I have even had a few carb days while resting. I work 8am to 5pm with an hour to eat(which is needed to get down a pound of ground beef). My sleep varies but at least 5 hours if not 6 hours during the week. Then on weekends I get 8 to 9 hours.

    Glycomyx was something I was considering trying a while back. It should have a similiar effect. The big thing would be how fast it clears digestion. Not ideal having something floating around while lifting. The mixture I have been using has treated me very well. It isnt exactly cheap though.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.

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    I wouldnt mind a pin or 2 haha. Still years off from legitimate trt.

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yes.
    not my preference for a base (would rather use true test base) but it does work.

    true.
    and i have been on 1-Alpha for 5 weeks too, which obviously 1-andros do have high lethargy potential.
    so - i don't come out and lay it all on m-sten..
    do think it is contributing tho, as lethargy has kicked up since use, not prior.

    just my best .02
    I can only imagine how you feel on the double dose of lethargy. Some times I am like the walking dead. Granted I am not a morning person to begin with. Today I felt like death till about lunch time. Took Unisom(otc sleep aid) last night and it just has me dragging the next morning.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Yea, I have a feeling the extra strain on the liver and other organs probably results in some lethargy as well.

    Sent from my iPhone
    Ya kind of my worry about going any longer. Even though I am getting stronger and leaning out like crazy. It takes me a while to start my shower after I strip down haha. Plus I get pumped while washing. "M-Sten, even a shower will give you a pump" haha.

    Alright time to post about my workout a little bit.

    Seated BB press ELECT fat gripz worked up to 215 then dropped to 165 for 12 reps
    Upright rows cable PSR
    Standing DB lateral raise 3 sets of 8 reps
    Standing press 531 125*5,145*5, 165*13 I swear I would have gotten more but my quad cramped up on me. Was hard to keep a strong base with a cramp haha.
    Some where along this workout I did something to my left shoulder. It just feels real tender. Didnt feel strong with it. Could still press and finish my workout but just felt off.

    Close grip bench ELECT fat gripz working up to 285. Shoulder is the reason I didnt drop and rep out with 225. Didnt feel explosive like I want.
    Overhead DB ext 2 sets of 10 2nd set with 3 negatives I used the 110 today. Felt easy enough to me. The gym only has 120s after the 110s.
    Reverse grip tricep ext cable just did added weight till 10 reps was tough

    Honestly wasnt feeling the workout today. A little tired but mainly shoulder nagged me a bit. Hopefully a night of rest helps. The plan is to do legs tomorrow and then maybe chest/back Saturday. Going to hang out with some people Saturday. Not a bad idea to get the full upper body pump plus will be eating some carbs.

    Tonight I have been SUPER thirsty. Plenty of salty food plus lots of carbs. Made rice crispy treats(with fruity pebbles) and added extra corn syrup. They SOAK up water haha. Could probably dehydrate you if you are not careful. Made too much of it too. Will have to half the recipe for sure next time.

  10. All your sugared cereals crack me up; I avoid that stuff like the plague cuz I seem to pork so fast on it. Guess I have to live vicariously through you! Keep killing it
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde
    All your sugared cereals crack me up; I avoid that stuff like the plague cuz I seem to pork so fast on it. Guess I have to live vicariously through you! Keep killing it
    I just time it right. Try to keep total fructose down. Like I said I keep to corn and rice based cereals.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    It feels more noticeable than I remember in the past. Could also be the fact I am a bit more active during the day now. Interested to hear how the stano helps. Kind of want to pick up another bottle of M-Sten and extend my run with 4-AD(AMS)
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  13. If you are saying you want to send me some to log with more M-Sten RX I wont say no haha.

  14. Another night of not being able to sleep. Good thing is I have a 4 day weekend coming up. Although I doubt it will help reset my sleep schedule. Hopefully I will at least be able to get some sleep.

    Since I can't sleep kind of bouncing ideas in my head. For legs tomorrow I am thinking of doing this.

    Squats 531 90% week. Maybe a few training singles after the last rep out set.
    Leg press but do 5 elect sets. Start with 450 and work up to 810. After the last set drop it to 630 and just rep it out. A widow maker of 20 reps from hell sounds nice. Would need spotters though.
    Depending on how dead I feel maybe some leg extensions fst-7 style

    Seated leg curls psr
    Lying leg curls with negatives
    Stiff leg deadlifts maybe Romanians though

    As much calf work as I feel
    Then some core work

    Doesn't that sound like a puking good time? Now if only I could get some rest for the day ahead of me.

  15. Felt like hell a few times today. Thinking it wasnt M-Sten RX related. Had an overstimmed feel. Got through the work day. Went and lifted legs a bit. Didnt get all the exercises I planned but got enough in.

    Squats 531: 290*3, 330*3, 375*10(honestly could have been more. Might not have been all there during this set) then a single with 415. The bar was a bit high tonight. Couldnt quite get it in position. Kind of stiff lately.
    Leg press ELECT 5 sets 3 reps Started at 450 and finished with 810. After the last set dropped it to 630 and repped it 20 times. While the set sucked I figured it was going to be a lot worse.

    Seated leg curls PSR
    Lying leg curls 2 sets 10 reps This time I did negatives on the 1st set

    After that I was done. Just a bit spent. Not sleeping kind of makes lifting harder. Figure I could lay off my calves anyway. Not sure what I will do tomorrow as far as lifting goes. Kind of liking the idea of chest and back.

  16. AB is checking in and its lookin good in this bitch! Haha
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    AB is checking in and its lookin good in this bitch! Haha
    I swear you subbed earlier. Must have been in my CBL log I saw your big self. Trying to grow big and strong in here. Pretty sure my height is capped though haha.

    That is a sexy avi you got there. Makes me want to get a similiar one. Too bad my DL has been crap lately.

    Got the pics back from the girl today. Forgot how many she took and she sent them all. Probably wont show them to be honest. They are not pretty. Maybe if I can get some "after" shots I will let yall compare. Doesnt seem like I will be getting her to take more pics for me though.

  18. LOL no I been here the whole time just checking in! Your kickin ass!
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  19. Your a DL monster! I hit 720 yesterday but suited
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Christmas day lifting.

    Close grip lat pull downs 4 sets of 10 reps
    Bb bent over rows 3 sets of 10 reps
    Wide lat pull downs 2 sets of 10 reps
    Pull up negatives 3
    Bent over db laterals 2 sets of 10 reps
    Rope face pulls 2 sets of 12 reps

    I have been so tired lately. Thinking the lethargy is getting bad. Could probably spend all day in bed and be happy. Some bursts of aggression here and there.
    snap out of it!!!!


    might just be holiday blues, lol.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    LOL no I been here the whole time just checking in! Your kickin ass!
    Well wake up I am the one who is supposed to have lethargy haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Your a DL monster! I hit 720 yesterday but suited
    Man I really want to get my DL up but it is probably going to have to wait. Just feel off when I deadlift at this weight. There is definitely more belly now. Used to be able to get away with the 3rd notch on my belt now I usually use the 2nd. Used the 3rd on my rep out set of squats today but it takes a little more effort to get it these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    snap out of it!!!!

    might just be holiday blues, lol.
    I am trying man. The weather down here has SUCKED lately. It is the time of the year I get sick. My body loves the heat.

    I could stand to have some lady company too. Talking to a few here and there but hanging out takes a little more planning these days. I swear something I am taking is making the libido do some talking it shouldnt do haha. It would be bad combining this libido with social effects of alcohol. It is a good thing I dont drink anymore.

    Left leg felt a bit off today. Just walking around at work it seemed to bother me. Not sure how to describe the feeling though. I think today was the first time I did legs without getting a leg massage before hand in a good while. All I have to say is I have been spoiled haha. Need to get more acquainted with my foam roller.

  22. i always thought that getting a massage before workout made you weaker...don't know where i heard that, i think it is an old boxing thing.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  23. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i always thought that getting a massage before workout made you weaker...don't know where i heard that, i think it is an old boxing thing.
    I think of it as the idea of foam rolling. Hasnt seemed to effect me negatively. Mostly just been doing it on legs lately.

    Past 2 workouts were chest/back and then shoulders/back.

    Main things on chest/back were incline ELECT with 285. Still putting it up strong. Decline ELECT finally went over 315 and did 335. Then on flat bench did 335 for 3 pause press reps. Nothing special for back. Mainly just balancing pressing with pulling.

    Similar set up for shoulders/back just balancing all the pressing with pulling. Elect finished with 215 on seated press then drop to 165 and repped it for 10 easy. Nothing really special about the rest of the workout. Kind of felt blah today.

    Honestly been feeling run down lately. Not sure if it is just the weather or toxicity. Cant recall feeling this tired on cycle before. Not something that should be taken lightly that is for sure. Still got myself into the gym to move some weights around today though. Already was met by the New Years crowd. Going to start taking headphones to the gym with me maybe my ipod too. Considering going to lift tomorrow since I have the day off from work.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i always thought that getting a massage before workout made you weaker...don't know where i heard that, i think it is an old boxing thing.
    yeah that sounds like something mickey would say to Rocky.

    right up there with his famous "women weaken legs"



    happy new Tom!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yeah that sounds like something mickey would say to Rocky.

    right up there with his famous "women weaken legs"
    happy new Tom!
    close...i think teddy atlas said it, lol.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  26. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yeah that sounds like something mickey would say to Rocky.

    right up there with his famous "women weaken legs"

    happy new Tom!
    Thanks trying to start it off right.

    The other day(Tuesday) did another chest/back workout with some triceps thrown in. Need to get back on "schedule" for my lifting though.

    The main things were

    2 sets of 10 reps with 120s on flat DB press
    Incline BB press 3 sets of 10 reps 225,205,185

    Underhand lat pulldowns
    T bar row machine 3 sets of 10 reps 4 plates

    JM press messing around with 95,115,135 form needs work
    Seated overhead DB ext 2 sets of 10 reps the 2nd set had 3 negatives. 110 for 10 reps was easy. So I did 120 for the 2nd set. To be honest it was still pretty easy. The 120 is the most the place has. I keep my elbows in and use good ROM.

    Couldnt sleep at all last night. Might have gotten 2 hours. So there was no way I was training today. Ended up getting 2 hours or so of nap time earlier tonight. Still had some carbs even though I didnt lift. Not too much but definitely a decent bit. Some rice with chicken covered in some sweet bbq sauce, a couple rice crispy treats(LOVE them), dried mango, and a LITTLE cheesecake to finish it off.

    I am thinking the plan is to do a legit back workout tomorrow. Maybe some deadlifts. Friday will be shoulders. Then Saturday will be good ole legs.

  27. Subbed, nice log. So, from your experience so far, would you recommend a stack of M-Sten and a 4-AD based product. Was thinking of running M-Sten in a few months but I don't want the lethargy that goes with it. Currently don't have access to Test E so will have to be OTC.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by bludevil View Post
    Subbed, nice log. So, from your experience so far, would you recommend a stack of M-Sten and a 4-AD based product. Was thinking of running M-Sten in a few months but I don't want the lethargy that goes with it. Currently don't have access to Test E so will have to be OTC.
    Yes in fact I think I will be picking up a 2nd bottle of M-Sten to run with some 4-AD I already have.

    Also welcome to the log.

  29. So ya lethargy is definitely a problem. I need my caffeine fix or else the day doesnt start right. Somehow need to find a way to get more/better sleep or something.

    Just got home from lifting.

    Deadlifts speed pulls 315, 355, 395, 435, 475
    Bent over BB rows ELECT 155/195/235/265/295 drop to 225 rep out
    DB bent over rows 3 sets of 10 reps 70/80/90
    Close grip lat pulldowns 3 sets of 8 reps 15/15/15
    Shrugs 3 sets of 10 reps 275/275/275
    Wide grip high pulley cable rows
    Flat BB bench rest pause 275*17/?/4 Not sure how many I got on the 2nd set. The 1st set surprised me big time. That is estimated at 430 1 rep max. Obviously that is just a rough guess but that is 45 pounds more than I have ever tried. Dont plan on throwing that on the bar anytime soon though haha.

  30. I would NOT attempt that 1 rep max without working up to it lol. I like when I kinda blackout and just keep hitting reps on autopilot.

    How do you do your shrugs? As for sleep, either a GH booster or sleep aid? Melatonin does nothing for me but I've used 3Z to knock out, gonna hop on IGF-2 soon and that gives me quality rest.

    -OS-Team AppNut
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka
  

  
 

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