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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you just happened to think of her butt while doing deads, lol.


    must be love!!!
    Haha if I thought of a girl while actually doing deadlifts I would have to marry her. But this girl has some magic in her hands. If I could I would get a massage from her before EVERY workout.

    I didnt think of her butt in particular in that situation but I recalled that she had yoga type pants on. The discussion was how I would much rather be just watching some girls do cardio. The other guy talked about how there were some hot females doing cardio today. I immediately said the woman in the blue yoga pants and we both laughed because that was exactly who were thinking about. Then I went on a mini rant about how yoga pants make any butt look 10 times better. I probably did this while being extremely loud since I have no volume setting on my voice.

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    Just a few numbers from my chest/biceps workout tonight.

    Incline BB last set of ELECT was 275 for 3 reps Extreme Fat Gripz
    Decline BB last set of ELECT was 315 for 3 reps Extreme Fat Gripz
    Flat BB pause press 315 for 3 reps. Honestly I was hoping to get maybe 2 reps. Only slowed down a little bit on the 3rd rep.

    A crazy pump for biceps but no numbers worth mentioning.
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    so what's your take on this m-sten? how bad is liver toxicity suppossed to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    so what's your take on this m-sten? how bad is liver toxicity suppossed to be?
    So far I cant imagine complaining. This stuff is kicking in quick. Didnt think 2 reps were going to be clean on 315 today and got 3 fairly easy. Will be testing more strength numbers soon. Also 275 for 3 explosive reps on incline is fun.

    Liver toxicity isnt supposed to be bad but we all know how that goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    So far I cant imagine complaining. This stuff is kicking in quick. Didnt think 2 reps were going to be clean on 315 today and got 3 fairly easy. Will be testing more strength numbers soon. Also 275 for 3 explosive reps on incline is fun.

    Liver toxicity isnt supposed to be bad but we all know how that goes.
    my liver values got pretty bad there for awhile, but i have discovered tudca and big improvements have been made. i really want to jump back into a ph cycle at some point, but i need to be cautious.

    btw- i highly recommend tudca!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post

    my liver values got pretty bad there for awhile, but i have discovered tudca and big improvements have been made. i really want to jump back into a ph cycle at some point, but i need to be cautious.

    btw- i highly recommend tudca!!!
    I agree.

    My liver values pretty much remained the same after an mdrol cycle while using just Tucda and NAC.
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    Felt a bit run down today, but it could have been because I was ultra low carb yesterday. Cant imagine going 2 days in a row without lifting. Plus last night didnt get in the carbs like I needed to. Not sure if I would call it lethargy yet.

    Today was back. Wasnt sure which workout I wanted to do. Here are some highlights.

    Speed pulls working up to 505 for 3 reps. Felt a bit weak on deadlifts. Was considering trying to go heavy today for a single or double but just wasnt feeling deadlifts. They just seem to be off lately.

    ELECT bentover BB rows overhand worked up to 275 for 3 reps
    Close grip lat pulldowns extreme fat grips 3 sets of 8 reps with 15. Last set pulled them off after 8 reps and did 3 negatives.
    Shrugs DBs 3 sets of 12 reps 90/100/100 pounds
    Seated high pulley wide grip rows PSR 70/115/160/190/205 pounds Felt much easier today. Must be getting stronger.
    Bent over DB lateral raise 3 sets of 10 reps 45 pounds

    Wore a little tighter shirt today. Well it is tighter now haha. Checked weight post workout and I was 263.6 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Felt a bit run down today, but it could have been because I was ultra low carb yesterday. Cant imagine going 2 days in a row without lifting. Plus last night didnt get in the carbs like I needed to. Not sure if I would call it lethargy yet.
    hmmm similar feeling myself.
    will be watching this.

    Wore a little tighter shirt today. Well it is tighter now haha. Checked weight post workout and I was 263.6 pounds.
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    yup...snag has it right:



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    Been fighting something myself the last few days. Had a good workout today but can't seem to get enough food in. Stomach is constantly queezy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    hmmm similar feeling myself.
    will be watching this.

    beast.
    Most of the time I am ok but not 100% sure of the cause. I have been training more often. Sleep could be a little better. Will be nice having a few extra days off to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Been fighting something myself the last few days. Had a good workout today but can't seem to get enough food in. Stomach is constantly queezy.

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    Hope you dont get sick. I just seem to need more sleep that I cant seem to get. So far eating hasnt been too much of an issue. Just 3 meals a day 1 preworkout and 2 post. The 1st meal is a lot of fat and protein(animal), 2nd meal is protein and carb heavy, and then 3rd meal is a nice dessert. Pretty much stuff my face meals 1 and 2 haha.

    Some posts about my workout tonight. Thought I was going to be lifting with Hector and Roy but never saw them. Kind of held up my workout waiting on them. It was clear since I didnt sweat constantly.

    Seated BB press fat gripzELECT up to 205 for 3. Tried 225 which was just crazy. Got 1 iffy rep and then called it. Way too big of a jump but I am man enough to admit it kicked my ass haha.
    Cable upright rows PSR
    Standing press fat gripz140 for 5, 160 for 3, 180 for 10 reps. This was another solid set estimated at about 240.
    Seated DB lateral raise PSR 2 sets rep scheme 6/4/3/3/3 weights 15/20/25/30/35

    Close grip bench ELECT with fat gripz(start of gnarling) 235/245/255/265/275 immediately drop to 225 for 12 reps
    Dips bodyweight over 50 reps A lot harder when you weigh 260 haha
    Seated DB overhead ext 2 sets 1st set 10 reps 2nd set 12 reps and 3 negatives
    Standing concentration curls 4 sets of 8 reps with 40 pounds

    A damn solid workout. Felt huge while lifting. Definitely getting stronger on all my lifts.

    Tomorrow I will be doing legs solo. Talked about lifting with a friend but she hasnt gotten back to me. Oh well probably would have slowed me down anyway. Getting a massage in the morning then lift a few hours later.

    Head is bugging me a little bit right now. Feels like it could be a BP headache coming on. Probably take some liquid viagra in my next shake for multiple reasons.
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    got to get those nitrates, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    Don't know how I didn't sub to this earlier. I'm in brethren. Kill it.
    Welcome to the fun. I thought you had subbed already.

    Got another painful leg massage today. Might rotate to another area soon. My chest and shoulders could use some work.

    531 squat 270*5 315*5 355*12 reps Still feeling a bit off while squatting
    Leg press 6 plates with short rest reps were 15/14/13/12/7

    Seated leg curls PSR 75/120/165/195/210
    Stiff leg deadlifts 2 sets of 10 with 245 pounds

    Seated calf press 3 sets of 10 reps with 270 pounds

    Ab wheel 3 sets of 10 reps
    Wood chopper 2 sets of 12 with 6
    Land mines 3 sets of 10 reps each side with just the bar
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    Still teaching the weights a lesson! Haha great job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Still teaching the weights a lesson! Haha great job!
    Haha not quite. Man I felt like crap today. Took some stuff out of the workout. Had to do some auto regulation haha. Even with my intra shake I wouldnt have been able to finish everything. Tomorrow will be a much needed rest day. 4 days in a row kicks my butt. My forearms have been noticeably tight. Had the massage therapist work on them some today. She is only 130 pounds but can make my 260 pound butt shut up haha.

    Kind of debating if I want to focus more on hypertrophy more for the rest of the cycle. Honestly my strength on squat and deadlift have been pissing me off. Especially when it comes to my deadlift. Think part of it is I beat my CNS up quite a bit lifting as much as I do on cycle.
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    If you're consistently lifting weak and you want to focus on the bodybuilding for a week or two anyway, no shame there. Get the body comp closer to where you want it and giving your CNS a chance to recharge while the msten works some magic could be fun. Come in fresh and determined to smash some PRs at the end. Win/win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    If you're consistently lifting weak and you want to focus on the bodybuilding for a week or two anyway, no shame there. Get the body comp closer to where you want it and giving your CNS a chance to recharge while the msten works some magic could be fun. Come in fresh and determined to smash some PRs at the end. Win/win.
    I wouldnt say I am lifting weak just that my form feels off. I know with weight changes the way we lift can be altered. Might still be getting used to it on some lifts.

    Alright so todays workout ran a little long. My sister went with me. Did my whole chest workout. Then Hector and Roy came. Of course they are doing chest. So I ask to join. My chest is going to hate me tomorrow. I will give a rundown of the workout.

    Incline BB press with fat gripz ELECT last set 275
    Decline BB press with fat gripz ELECT last set 315 Not really getting easier.
    DB pullovers 2 sets of 10 reps with 85 pounds
    Flat BB press 315 for 5 reps. The 1st 4 were solid pause press and the 5th was just a regular rep.

    Then started lifting with Hector and Roy.
    Wide bench press with bottom partials. Did a bench of sets. Finished with pressing 365 for 1 rep. Tried 380 but couldnt quite get it.
    Incline smith press focusing on the bottom of the rep
    Cable flyes

    Close grip bench with fat gripz
    Tricep ext with triangle
    Cable kickbacks superset with rope tricep ext

    Lat pulldowns 3 sets of 10 reps
    BB curls PSR 50/70/90/100/110 felt a little easier today
    Hammer curls 3 sets of 9 reps with the 50s

    Damn good workout. My chest is toast and so are my triceps. Might have to hit chest with them every now and then. They are convinced they can get me over a 405 bench. We will see about all that. It sure makes it easier while on M-Sten and killing food. I plan on switching diets a little while after PCT. This much weight is just a bit too much. Real hard to make 260 look "good" haha.
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    Christmas day lifting.

    Close grip lat pull downs 4 sets of 10 reps
    Bb bent over rows 3 sets of 10 reps
    Wide lat pull downs 2 sets of 10 reps
    Pull up negatives 3
    Bent over db laterals 2 sets of 10 reps
    Rope face pulls 2 sets of 12 reps

    I have been so tired lately. Thinking the lethargy is getting bad. Could probably spend all day in bed and be happy. Some bursts of aggression here and there.
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    Do you think the lethargy comes from the M-Sten or maybe the ultra low carb off days? I'm curious to your diet specifics as you said you feel confident you've nailed it. Considering were the same hight and you have +100lbs on me I wanna know how to get there!

    What's your intra workout shake? Ive always done water but thinking to change it up to help gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    Do you think the lethargy comes from the M-Sten or maybe the ultra low carb off days? I'm curious to your diet specifics as you said you feel confident you've nailed it. Considering were the same hight and you have +100lbs on me I wanna know how to get there!

    What's your intra workout shake? Ive always done water but thinking to change it up to help gains.

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    Pretty sure the M-Sten. I have been tired on low activity low carb off days. Never usually this tired even on high activity low carb days. I eat plenty of carbs on lifting days.

    I only eat 3 times maybe 4 times a day. I will give an idea for my lifting days.
    Coffee a few hours after waking. 1 tablespoon coconut oil and 10 grams of whey isolate.
    1st meal is meat probably 100 grams of protein. Fat is at least 50 grams usually more.
    Post workout(25 to 30 minutes after workout) is 35 grams of fast protein(will go into greater detail later), 10 grams of casein, scoop of recoverpro, creatine mono(recoverpro scooper), 1 scoop of rilose(fast carb, also have used dextrose)
    2nd meal about 30 to 45 after post workout is pretty much stuff myself with protein and carbs. Usually white rice with some kind of lean meat. If still hungry some kind of rice or corn based cereal with milk.
    Before my 3rd meal 20 grams whey hydro, recoverpro, creatine mono, a little dextrose
    3rd meal is about an hour to 90 minutes later. It is more dessert based. A favorite of mine is a turnover warmed with vanilla ice cream on top. Then maybe more cereal. Kind of hard to eat anymore here.
    4th meal might be some cottage cheese or lean meat. This is just so I wont go to bed too hungry and so my fast(trying to keep the fast between meals around 12 hours) wont be as long because of work.

    My intra workout shake is 50 grams of glycofuse by gaspari, 20 grams of whey hydro, creatine mono, and recoverpro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Pretty sure the M-Sten.
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
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    I figured as much. Being super low carb, even on days of activity, shouldnt cause what you're describing. Oh well, comes with the territory I suppose. How many hours do you usually sleep at night (unless you work nights)?

    My idea was 20-25g whey isolate, 50g Glycomyx, BCAA's, citrulline malate. My creatine is capped pre/post workout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
    Didn't know stano was good to fight tiredness. Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post

    Didn't know stano was good to fight tiredness. Good to know.

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    Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I think its because its a DHT base for cycle.
    yes.
    not my preference for a base (would rather use true test base) but it does work.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.
    true.
    and i have been on 1-Alpha for 5 weeks too, which obviously 1-andros do have high lethargy potential.
    so - i don't come out and lay it all on m-sten..
    do think it is contributing tho, as lethargy has kicked up since use, not prior.

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    Yea, I have a feeling the extra strain on the liver and other organs probably results in some lethargy as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    pretty sure you are right.
    nothing horrendous (like i've had before), but enough for me to add some stano for final 2 weeks.
    looking good in here.
    It feels more noticeable than I remember in the past. Could also be the fact I am a bit more active during the day now. Interested to hear how the stano helps. Kind of want to pick up another bottle of M-Sten and extend my run with 4-AD(AMS).

    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    I figured as much. Being super low carb, even on days of activity, shouldnt cause what you're describing. Oh well, comes with the territory I suppose. How many hours do you usually sleep at night (unless you work nights)?

    My idea was 20-25g whey isolate, 50g Glycomyx, BCAA's, citrulline malate. My creatine is capped pre/post workout.

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    My ultra low carb days are under 30 grams(not including fiber). But I have even had a few carb days while resting. I work 8am to 5pm with an hour to eat(which is needed to get down a pound of ground beef). My sleep varies but at least 5 hours if not 6 hours during the week. Then on weekends I get 8 to 9 hours.

    Glycomyx was something I was considering trying a while back. It should have a similiar effect. The big thing would be how fast it clears digestion. Not ideal having something floating around while lifting. The mixture I have been using has treated me very well. It isnt exactly cheap though.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lethargy has been pretty negligible for me but I'm on prescribed Androgel so my levels stay the same regardless whether on or off. I do think that lethargy can be caused by other things too though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yes.
    not my preference for a base (would rather use true test base) but it does work.

    true.
    and i have been on 1-Alpha for 5 weeks too, which obviously 1-andros do have high lethargy potential.
    so - i don't come out and lay it all on m-sten..
    do think it is contributing tho, as lethargy has kicked up since use, not prior.

    just my best .02
    I can only imagine how you feel on the double dose of lethargy. Some times I am like the walking dead. Granted I am not a morning person to begin with. Today I felt like death till about lunch time. Took Unisom(otc sleep aid) last night and it just has me dragging the next morning.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Yea, I have a feeling the extra strain on the liver and other organs probably results in some lethargy as well.

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    Ya kind of my worry about going any longer. Even though I am getting stronger and leaning out like crazy. It takes me a while to start my shower after I strip down haha. Plus I get pumped while washing. "M-Sten, even a shower will give you a pump" haha.

    Alright time to post about my workout a little bit.

    Seated BB press ELECT fat gripz worked up to 215 then dropped to 165 for 12 reps
    Upright rows cable PSR
    Standing DB lateral raise 3 sets of 8 reps
    Standing press 531 125*5,145*5, 165*13 I swear I would have gotten more but my quad cramped up on me. Was hard to keep a strong base with a cramp haha.
    Some where along this workout I did something to my left shoulder. It just feels real tender. Didnt feel strong with it. Could still press and finish my workout but just felt off.

    Close grip bench ELECT fat gripz working up to 285. Shoulder is the reason I didnt drop and rep out with 225. Didnt feel explosive like I want.
    Overhead DB ext 2 sets of 10 2nd set with 3 negatives I used the 110 today. Felt easy enough to me. The gym only has 120s after the 110s.
    Reverse grip tricep ext cable just did added weight till 10 reps was tough

    Honestly wasnt feeling the workout today. A little tired but mainly shoulder nagged me a bit. Hopefully a night of rest helps. The plan is to do legs tomorrow and then maybe chest/back Saturday. Going to hang out with some people Saturday. Not a bad idea to get the full upper body pump plus will be eating some carbs.

    Tonight I have been SUPER thirsty. Plenty of salty food plus lots of carbs. Made rice crispy treats(with fruity pebbles) and added extra corn syrup. They SOAK up water haha. Could probably dehydrate you if you are not careful. Made too much of it too. Will have to half the recipe for sure next time.
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    All your sugared cereals crack me up; I avoid that stuff like the plague cuz I seem to pork so fast on it. Guess I have to live vicariously through you! Keep killing it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde
    All your sugared cereals crack me up; I avoid that stuff like the plague cuz I seem to pork so fast on it. Guess I have to live vicariously through you! Keep killing it
    I just time it right. Try to keep total fructose down. Like I said I keep to corn and rice based cereals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    It feels more noticeable than I remember in the past. Could also be the fact I am a bit more active during the day now. Interested to hear how the stano helps. Kind of want to pick up another bottle of M-Sten and extend my run with 4-AD(AMS)
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    If you are saying you want to send me some to log with more M-Sten RX I wont say no haha.
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    Another night of not being able to sleep. Good thing is I have a 4 day weekend coming up. Although I doubt it will help reset my sleep schedule. Hopefully I will at least be able to get some sleep.

    Since I can't sleep kind of bouncing ideas in my head. For legs tomorrow I am thinking of doing this.

    Squats 531 90% week. Maybe a few training singles after the last rep out set.
    Leg press but do 5 elect sets. Start with 450 and work up to 810. After the last set drop it to 630 and just rep it out. A widow maker of 20 reps from hell sounds nice. Would need spotters though.
    Depending on how dead I feel maybe some leg extensions fst-7 style

    Seated leg curls psr
    Lying leg curls with negatives
    Stiff leg deadlifts maybe Romanians though

    As much calf work as I feel
    Then some core work

    Doesn't that sound like a puking good time? Now if only I could get some rest for the day ahead of me.
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    Felt like hell a few times today. Thinking it wasnt M-Sten RX related. Had an overstimmed feel. Got through the work day. Went and lifted legs a bit. Didnt get all the exercises I planned but got enough in.

    Squats 531: 290*3, 330*3, 375*10(honestly could have been more. Might not have been all there during this set) then a single with 415. The bar was a bit high tonight. Couldnt quite get it in position. Kind of stiff lately.
    Leg press ELECT 5 sets 3 reps Started at 450 and finished with 810. After the last set dropped it to 630 and repped it 20 times. While the set sucked I figured it was going to be a lot worse.

    Seated leg curls PSR
    Lying leg curls 2 sets 10 reps This time I did negatives on the 1st set

    After that I was done. Just a bit spent. Not sleeping kind of makes lifting harder. Figure I could lay off my calves anyway. Not sure what I will do tomorrow as far as lifting goes. Kind of liking the idea of chest and back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    AB is checking in and its lookin good in this bitch! Haha
    I swear you subbed earlier. Must have been in my CBL log I saw your big self. Trying to grow big and strong in here. Pretty sure my height is capped though haha.

    That is a sexy avi you got there. Makes me want to get a similiar one. Too bad my DL has been crap lately.

    Got the pics back from the girl today. Forgot how many she took and she sent them all. Probably wont show them to be honest. They are not pretty. Maybe if I can get some "after" shots I will let yall compare. Doesnt seem like I will be getting her to take more pics for me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Christmas day lifting.

    Close grip lat pull downs 4 sets of 10 reps
    Bb bent over rows 3 sets of 10 reps
    Wide lat pull downs 2 sets of 10 reps
    Pull up negatives 3
    Bent over db laterals 2 sets of 10 reps
    Rope face pulls 2 sets of 12 reps

    I have been so tired lately. Thinking the lethargy is getting bad. Could probably spend all day in bed and be happy. Some bursts of aggression here and there.
    snap out of it!!!!


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