My M1,4ADD log
- 01-18-2004, 12:04 AM
- 01-20-2004, 10:10 AM
I am still loving this stuff. I am almost done with my first bottle, then one more after that. I am going to run it at 40mg a day.
My strength continues to climb. I did DB curls with 55's and barbell curls with 135 for 4reps. The barbell is a new personal best for me. I am really leaning out on this stuff. Most likely from a really clean diet. And tons of cardio, either way I truly like this stuff.
- 01-20-2004, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by sifu
BTW, How are things in regards to bloat and stuff? You are not using nolva right?
01-20-2004, 10:16 AM
I am not using nolva yet. When I go to 40mg a day, I am going to use 1ml a day of nolva to fight off any bloat that I might have, but so far nothing.
I haven't had any sides yet.
01-20-2004, 10:45 AM
JMO,but don't you want to see if you get any sides at 40/day before you introduce nolva? I'm curious to know if it would really be nasesary. Your call though.Originally Posted by sifu
01-20-2004, 10:47 AM
Nope, I have that much nolva laying around, that is almost a year old anyways. But I don't want puffy nipples or any chance of gyno. I will probably run it for four or five days though to see, if I need the nolva. I am starting 40mg tommorow.
01-20-2004, 12:24 PM
If you bros are stacking the M-1,4 with anything else that aromatizes I highly recommend you get some letro or ari.
Other than that it sounds like a nice bulking agent...just in time for winter bulking!
01-20-2004, 12:27 PM
I am not stacking it with anything. I wanted to run it by itself, to be a true test for sledge.
It would be a great addition to some test though, I would think.
01-20-2004, 12:54 PM
so what are the total gains and break down when you ran what dose and for how long..etc
Any pics???? I'm curious as to what this stuff is doing to you guys
01-20-2004, 12:57 PM
i did m1t one wk with 4ad,then i been stackin it,4ad/m1t/m1,4add for 2nd wk now and nothing. thought about upping doses[im already doing 40mg/ed m1,4add], but ill prob give it a few more days,btw i talked to my doc about this experiment im doing myself and im scheduled for full blood work anytime now. if i need proper ancillaries i have
01-20-2004, 01:14 PM
Bellicose go back a page, it will tell you my gains. I weigh in every 7 days, and that is it.
01-20-2004, 01:19 PM
Wow, strength went through the ****ing roof today. I'm very pleased with this compound. So far I've put on around 7lbs. and probably lke 3 or 4 lbs. of water. So taking into account considerable weight fluctuations, I'm up about 10lbs. thus far.
Only complaint I have this far is constant stomach aches. I had stated last week that I had been experiencing constipation, this still arises every once in a while, but the stomach aches are non-stop, sometimes are just worth than others.
I'm still gonna continue with 35mg/day, why take more if not needed? People should not take this compound litely and its ****in' alien to me why they want to stack multiple methly's. I don't even like the fact that I'm taking only one methyl, nonetheless 2 or 3.
Still no sides to report of besides the cramps, etc.
01-20-2004, 01:20 PM
nice..i'm looking forward to bumping up my dose to 30mg.
How about some pics?
01-20-2004, 01:21 PM
I don't have access to do that from work.
Hopefully soon though.
01-20-2004, 01:21 PM
For real bro, these questions have already been asked numerous times before. READ THE WHOLE LOG!!! THATS WHAT ITS FOR.....Originally Posted by sifu
01-20-2004, 01:26 PM
I'd rather not scroll through 5 pagesOriginally Posted by Jergo
01-20-2004, 01:28 PM
Then don't come in here and ask a question that has been asked numerous times.
01-20-2004, 01:37 PM
I wanted a basic overview.
Your log is not posted in a format that i can follow. Its bits and pieces of info and not broken up into days so i'm not sure how long you guys have been on and when you bumped up doses. Plus there's two of you posting so it furthur complicates things.
What week are you guys on?
What dose are you both currently using?
How long have you been using that dose?
How long will you be staying on for?
If these have already been answered, then just ignore my post. Otherwise, a quick overview would be nice
01-20-2004, 01:40 PM
They have been answered. I ran 20mg a day for my first five days. Then 30mg since. I am starting 40mg tomorrow.
I don't post in here every day. I work full time for the military, and I teach full time at the Mixed martial arts school, on top of keeping up with my family of three daughters and my wife.
So I won't ever be in here every day, the only time I am is when I am at work.
01-20-2004, 01:41 PM
Here's a little arithmetic review......Look at the date on our first posts, then look at the current date(s).......Next, subtract the two from each other....wtf man, Get your lazy a$$ out of this thread and quit asking repeated questions. People like you ruin the logs, I'm betting half of the pointless repeated posts are from you anyhow. Next time they will be ignored, don't worry.Originally Posted by bellicose
01-20-2004, 03:12 PM
Thank you for cooperating, that's what i was looking for.Originally Posted by sifu
01-21-2004, 09:32 AM
i swear some people are lazy as hell....damn! sifu from now on everytime you post i'd like you to repeat everything so its easier for me. sorry if its a lot of typing...just do it!
01-21-2004, 09:41 AM
Jergo how much fiber are you getting in your diet, or better yet what type of diet are you using. This used to happen to me everytime i dieted with anavar and winny. i wasnt eating enough carbs or fiber and that was what was doing it to me. there is a new clear metamucil, i think, that isnt to bad at all. you may want to give it a try.
01-21-2004, 10:28 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that it had something to do with the bloat to, but didn't know why. I actually drink like 4-5 glasses of metamucil/day. My carbs right now are mainly coming from rice, potatoes, raisins, broccolli, etc. So I don't know what the hell is causing this in relation to my diet. Its boggling my mind man, I just can't seem to single out the culprit.Originally Posted by Designer Supps
I'll like wake up in the middle of the night with god-awful cramps and sit on the toilet for like 20 minutes to a half-hour. All will be well until I wake up. I'll get that $hitty feeling in my stomach and either try to go a little bit again, or just have no other choice and ralph in the toilet. I will feel cool till the end of the day, and then I'll wake up in the middle of the night again with the cramps and the cycle starts all over again. But I probably get in the range of 20-30g's of fiber/day at least. Praying to the toilet god is starting to wear off.
01-22-2004, 06:37 PM
Ok so today is day two on 40mg for me, I will run it that way until this second bottle runs out.
I am actually down to 204, but I expected to be lower by now actually. I am up to MMA training six days a week now, heavy bag for at leat 30-45 minutes a day, and grappling for 30minutes to two hours every day, plus lifting three or four days a week. I have actually gained strength, which never happens when I start getting ready for competition season, I am down 2% bodyfat, and I have put on some size rather quickly.
I haven't run any nolva yet. My nipps are a little puffy today, but that is it.
It is still by far and large my favorite PH to date, and I would highly recommend it.
01-22-2004, 10:13 PM
neither of you guys are seeing any more hairloss than normal?
01-22-2004, 10:26 PM
I shave my head. But even if I didn't I haven't noticed any.
01-22-2004, 10:55 PM
structurely, this compound shouldn't induce hairloss, correct?
01-22-2004, 10:56 PM
01-22-2004, 11:20 PM
but equivalent to 4-ad probably in terms of hairloss
01-22-2004, 11:22 PM
01-25-2004, 03:39 AM
OK, so today is day five on 40mg and it is working great, my nipples are a little puffy, but not gyno in any way, so I added .5ml of nolva a day to the mix, and there are no more problems. I figure I have a little over a week left. Overall, I loved this product, it would be awesome with a test base.
For PCT I will be running Nolva,omegas, and the new cold fusion NO product from legal gear that I am beta testing for them.
I will weigh in monday for some results to post.
01-26-2004, 09:08 PM
OK man; Monday is almost over in my time zone. You got an update?
01-27-2004, 09:40 AM
I will weigh in today, it has been almost a week on 40mg a day. My strength is crazy, and I am defintely putting on some size, and still looking lean.
I had to start nolva at 1ml a day, due to the puffy nipples. I am still loving the product though, sledge put out a really good one in this.
I will post my weight tommorow.
01-27-2004, 09:43 AM
Sounds great man! I'm already stocking up.
01-27-2004, 05:07 PM
I'm doing the same as sifu; strength gains are the most I've seen from this product. Weight is up another 2lbs. I cut my carbs down a few days back though to kind of trim up a bit and it seems to be doing me good. I look a lot leaner, body comp. wise, and I'm as heavy as I've ever been right now. Weighing in at around 247 or so. Weight fluctuates though and I'm guessing that when I end this I'll have a good 10lb. or so gain. I will be ending this on the 30th of this month so only a couple more days to go. After PCT I will post my end results.
All in all, a very good product for those that are prone to bad reactions of other compounds that have a higher androgenicity. IMHO though the gains I got from M1T were better but, I could not stand the damn sides from it and won't do it again for that reason. In 2 weeks on M1T I gained around 12 or so lbs. if I remember correctly, but got sick as **** and lost like 6 or 7. I just hope I don't start pi$$ing my gains away again this time.
Good work sldge, seems to be a great addition to our PH/PS's....
01-28-2004, 11:00 AM
I am glad everyone likes it. I knew it wasnt going to be as strong as M1T but it wasnt suppossed to be. Like you have realised, having a strong compound like M1T is worthless if you wont ever want to use it. M14ADD on th eother hand is totaly different, which is what makes it a better choice.
01-28-2004, 11:08 AM
For me it is a completely better choice. This stuff with some test would be awesome, even some winny. Either way, I would take it over M1T any day. I have set personal bests in every lift since I started.
It is a great product. It worked better than M1T for me, but I hated working out on M1T as well.
01-28-2004, 11:09 AM
Great info guys! I'm looking forward to giving it a try.
01-28-2004, 11:35 AM
HEh, I think everybody should try this out at least once. And they probably wouldn;t EVER go back to M1T. The new tabs will make it just that much better on top of the the better qualities.
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