Originally Posted by Aggravated

$80 is still expensive. Also, at 100 caps, a 200lber will only get 27.5 doses. That is not 30 days.

I am sure someone pointed this out earlier. I did not read the entire thread.

No Aggravated is right a 4 pills ed its only 27.5 days.

Originally Posted by Orangepeel

I do beleive it's 110 caps, so you should be able to run 3 caps/day for 5.23809523809 weeks

Is this product tapered like Havoc? 2/3/3/4/ etc? Or just 3 caps/day for 4 weeks? did testers go over 3 caps, because surely soon enough some guys will be doing 3+ caps for 4+ weeks.

It was stated in an earlier post that 4 caps was the recommended dosage for someone over 200lb. Is this wrong?

Originally Posted by Orangepeel

I do beleive it's 110 caps, so you should be able to run 3 caps/day for 5.23809523809 weeks

Is this product tapered like Havoc? 2/3/3/4/ etc? Or just 3 caps/day for 4 weeks? did testers go over 3 caps, because surely soon enough some guys will be doing 3+ caps for 4+ weeks.

I took 3 @ 22 mg when I ran it- and 66 mg/day was plenty- I am not a small guy- plus I am an experienced user- so I have a good basis of comparison- one of the testers went to 5 caps- he gained right up under 20 lbs....pulsing will work well- and tapering can work decently- it really is up to you......

I found some in the back of my desk drawer- I am currently seeing how 22 mg/day w/ a 2 on/2 off pulse will work- I have been playing a ton of basketball, so I may need to cut back on the cardio....

Originally Posted by Aggravated

It was stated in an earlier post that 4 caps was the recommended dosage for someone over 200lb. Is this wrong?

No, it is right- 3-4 capsules a day for someone who is 200-225 should be very sufficient- the dosing chart is just a general guideline- every one is different

Originally Posted by james1

For "The One", what will the strength gains be like when compared to orals like epi? thanks

probably a little stronger than epi in terms of strength gains- but epi is also very dose dependant- so that statement may need to be quantified....

Originally Posted by Aggravated

$80 is still expensive. Also, at 100 caps, a 200lber will only get 27.5 doses. That is not 30 days.

I am sure someone pointed this out earlier. I did not read the entire thread.

going to run $69.99 to 79.99 most places- the $69.99 is probably closer to what it will come in at.....it is a novel product- never commercially produced- and it is made by a VERY quality supplier- you will get your money's worth

110/4= 27.5 = 4 weeks, but like I said- the dosing chart is a general guideline- you may not necessarily need 4 per day- I didn't....

I think maybe were a little hung up on this statement from the original post:

"That will provide a full cycle even for the biggest guys...and then some"

The biggest guys would surely need 4 caps, maybe not all, but some surely would - so for those guys @ 4/day they can run it for 27.5 days, just under 4 weeks, so they get there full cycle...but wheres the "and then some"

Maybe were just a bunch of cheap b@astards!

Originally Posted by Aggravated

$80 is still expensive. Also, at 100 caps, a 200lber will only get 27.5 doses. That is not 30 days.

I am sure someone pointed this out earlier. I did not read the entire thread.

everyone who has used it so far has seen significant gains by week 2, and continued on. So even if its half a dose short of 4 weeks, its still a significant cycle. At 198 I ran it at 3 caps a day, and had great results...

How's the libido on this stuff? Hairloss comments? How fast did testers rebound, and what PCT did they use?

libido was baseline and up, no hairloss, supression felt so minimal that i never felt a rebound at all, was having morning wood on cycle and during pct, and i just used drive plus assorted staple supps

Does anyone have any before and after pictures?

I understand the cost comparison and breakdown but you have to understand that I only take a Multi-V at the moment. I don't take protein, creatine etc so it's not like i'm switching from a certain cycle of supps to another. I would be adding a fresh cost.

I forgot who I was responding to but it was someone breaking down the cost of similar products

I've limited my supps to almost nothing for quite a while. I threw in a couple products in the past few months to see how they were but even the ones that proved to be excellent aren't in my 'budget'. If the feedback proves to be good then i'll get a bottle for a spring cycle.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I understand the cost comparison and breakdown but you have to understand that I only take a Multi-V at the moment. I don't take protein, creatine etc so it's not like i'm switching from a certain cycle of supps to another. I would be adding a fresh cost.

I forgot who I was responding to but it was someone breaking down the cost of similar products

I've limited my supps to almost nothing for quite a while. I threw in a couple products in the past few months to see how they were but even the ones that proved to be excellent aren't in my 'budget'. If the feedback proves to be good then i'll get a bottle for a spring cycle.

Wow, not even protein? I justify my protein use by the fact that it's replacing more expensive whole food AND it's a helluva lot easier to prep and more convenient to bring with me

That's how you should sell it to wifey or g/f

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

libido was baseline and up, no hairloss, supression felt so minimal that i never felt a rebound at all, was having morning wood on cycle and during pct, and i just used drive plus assorted staple supps

Thanks EJL.

rms80, please check ur inbox, thanks bro

Originally Posted by crowpass

so there were no reports of gyno or suppresion from the users? did any of them get bloodwork done? I as a potential customer in the future would love see a factual evidence that this product claims what it does. Im not trying cause an argument im just asking for the soul purpose of knowledge. Thanks APP-nut team.

Ditto on the bloodwork and desire to see detailed safety data backed by lab results. I'm a huge fan of AN and would consider making this the first PH I've ever used but not until I see lab results confirming it's safety.

As I said in another thread, I'd think this would particularly make sense for AN from a marketing perspective as, to-date, a large portion of their customers have surely been people training "naturally" (i.e. no PHs/Designers).

Again, I'm not trying to stir up drama either, just want to know that a powerful new chemical substance has at least some solid safety data behind it before I put it into my body. I don't think that's unreasonable

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Wow, not even protein? I justify my protein use by the fact that it's replacing more expensive whole food AND it's a helluva lot easier to prep and more convenient to bring with me

That's how you should sell it to wifey or g/f

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/a...lend-5-lb.html - It would be tough to get the 1,760G's of protein in that bottle from a grocery store for $30

But, I like to get most of my protein from food anyways, the only time i actually use protein is in the mornings so I don't have to get up early and make breakfast - which is a pretty lame excuse since my earliest class is at 2:30PM

I would also love to seem some blood work before, during, and after The One usage.

Originally Posted by rms80

No worries bud- per kg price is def. not cheap, unfortunately, and our supplier is not a conventional one- unlike most other cos. that offer this type of product...it costs more b/c it is a quality product- and this may be a pretty hard to clone or knock off- but only time will tell...

IMO this product should in fact be very easy to clone. I believe it is a very simple process to convert it from Mestanolone. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that it can be synthesised by a simple nucleophilic substitution with hydroxylamine.

So something like this, with so little suppression and so little risks, yet promising so much gain would be safer and stronger than the current beginner orals. But yet good enough for the experienced. The only thing I really have an issue with is on your bottle you say "for hard gainers".

I can see alot of lighter weight peeps hopping on this and seeing it as a cure for the "hardgainer". The only reason I didnt get on orals, was because a year ago I found this site and actually read what the risks are, I was 3 clicks away from having I think a super clone.... I think some people might see that and look no further.

I stopped protein when I had serious digestive issues and when I got that under control (thanks dsade) I found I was able to still gain str and size with only using whole foods. I do pay more but I've found that I eat a bigger range of foods now and I feel a lot healthier than I did when I was protein driven.

Originally Posted by Orangepeel

I think maybe were a little hung up on this statement from the original post:

"That will provide a full cycle even for the biggest guys...and then some"

The biggest guys would surely need 4 caps, maybe not all, but some surely would - so for those guys @ 4/day they can run it for 27.5 days, just under 4 weeks, so they get there full cycle...but wheres the "and then some"

Maybe were just a bunch of cheap b@astards!

not sure they will need 4- like I said- the dosing was provided as a general guideline, not set in stone- I used 60 mg/day and gained 12 lbs. in 14 days....

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I understand the cost comparison and breakdown but you have to understand that I only take a Multi-V at the moment. I don't take protein, creatine etc so it's not like i'm switching from a certain cycle of supps to another. I would be adding a fresh cost.

I forgot who I was responding to but it was someone breaking down the cost of similar products

I've limited my supps to almost nothing for quite a while. I threw in a couple products in the past few months to see how they were but even the ones that proved to be excellent aren't in my 'budget'. If the feedback proves to be good then i'll get a bottle for a spring cycle.

Well, i'll make you an offer jay. If you can swing the price of the bottle alone directly from Appnut.com, i'll make sure they put in a bottle of 2nd Gear, so you dont need a separate PCT. Does that help?

Originally Posted by rms80

are those English Bulldogs? I have always wanted one...

Bullies FTW! The ones in the pic aren't mine, but have a male that just made a year. He is crazy as hell but I love him. (no homo)

Originally Posted by Azaloth

Ditto on the bloodwork and desire to see detailed safety data backed by lab results. I'm a huge fan of AN and would consider making this the first PH I've ever used but not until I see lab results confirming it's safety.

As I said in another thread, I'd think this would particularly make sense for AN from a marketing perspective as, to-date, a large portion of their customers have surely been people training "naturally" (i.e. no PHs/Designers).

Again, I'm not trying to stir up drama either, just want to know that a powerful new chemical substance has at least some solid safety data behind it before I put it into my body. I don't think that's unreasonable

understandable- might take some time to get the data together- but if we can get it- it will availiable....

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I stopped protein when I had serious digestive issues and when I got that under control (thanks dsade) I found I was able to still gain str and size with only using whole foods. I do pay more but I've found that I eat a bigger range of foods now and I feel a lot healthier than I did when I was protein driven.

funny you should mention that- I really took down the level of protein in my diet when my wife and I changed how we ate to a modified vegetarian diet about a year ago- I noticed the same thing- I feel a lot healthier

Originally Posted by haroldjg

IMO this product should in fact be very easy to clone. I believe it is a very simple process to convert it from Mestanolone. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that it can be synthesised by a simple nucleophilic substitution with hydroxylamine.

LOL- yes, you could possibly be able to do it like that, but there are some major roadblocks:
A. You have to get mestanolone first- good luck- it is now a controlled substance in China and the US
B. you are also going to figure out a couple other things related to the isomer (more than 1, and some isomers are not nearly as potent as the others)
C. Logistics with a lot of the related items associated with the compound...
D. Price- not cheap to make- I am assuming you know about precurs. for this
E. Lack of a commercially-established synthesis method or scaling- doesn't exist, yet- even if you have an idea of how to make something- you still have to scale up- whole different process....

If you can clear A-E, it can be cloned......might not be for a while though, LOL

Originally Posted by Cool

Bullies FTW! The ones in the pic aren't mine, but have a male that just made a year. He is crazy as hell but I love him. (no homo)

yeah- I love mine as well

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Well, i'll make you an offer jay. If you can swing the price of the bottle alone directly from Appnut.com, i'll make sure they put in a bottle of 2nd Gear, so you dont need a separate PCT. Does that help?

Does this offer apply to everyone?

Originally Posted by Liquid13

Does this offer apply to everyone?

ha ha