[bigrabbit]

thanks for that, it seems the only thing i can beat u in is curls!!!
very impressive for a 15 yr old, are u worrying that heavy training can stunt your growth at your age?

[james55555]

not worryed about stunted growth at all,just like pusdeoscince about adrogeric hormones stunting growth.look to estrogen instead,need proof,just look at the adverage heights of men and women.be very sure to take calcium supp.s thought,as this can keep high protien diets from stealing cal. from your bones.

[james55555]

great post bigrabbit!

[bigrabbit]

thanks james, you seem alright and fairly knowledgable! hey i havent worked out since the 18th december and wont be able to get to the gym till the 3rd wk of january, this is because my gym is closed for this time, i have added maybe 4-8 pounds since then, trying to eat healthy, but probs from the xmas dinners etc lol, i have been doing some cardio though, but i feel little now because i havent worked out, what do u recommend for this?

[james55555]

keep working out any way possible.pushups,situps ball squats,and ass.chins will do the trick.really thought,as long as you work out like a deamon when you get back,you should be fine,stay away from problem foods though!!!!!!!

[james55555]

In resoponce to BIGRABBIT comment about stunting growth in youth weightlifters and if I was worried about that I have decide to have a little Q&A In which I will try to disspell certain myths about weightraining and why I belive what I belive.p.s. I mean no disrespect to more senior bodybuilders and do correct me if you think what I am saying is in any way wrong or untrue.

MYTH # 1 weight training will stunt your growth and so don’t do it!

Completely untrue. The only way weight training will stunt growth is if you serverly overtrain or most commonly if you don’t take in enough calcium.cal. is absolutely important because cal. Is needed by your muscles in large quanities for muscular contraction.Your body will steal ca. from your bones to feed your muscle so be sure to take a cal. Supplement when your young.

MYTH# 2 steroids will stunt your growth when your young so don’t take them.

Somewhat untrue.CERTAIN steroids will stunt growth because they will matabolism into ESTROGEN. This is what stunts growth in children. Some think that by takeing anti-estrogens with their anabolics they can use compounds like anadrol-50,test,or dino when their still young.I STRONGLY oppose this line of thinking. Even with arimadex not 100% of estrogen is suppressed and so using these drugs when your young is playing russiun roulet. On the other hand drugs like anavar have acutely been used as growth simulaters in children.these workbecause they cause calcium retentsion in humans. Drugs that are safe for young athletes are in my opinon:trenbolone,anavar,winstrol,and primobolan. These drugs are safe from estrogenic effects because the steroid backbone has been in some way modified to protech these drugs from aromotase.

MYTH#3 growth factors cause cancer and are bodybuilding most dangerous drug.

There is acutuly two untruths told here.Number one:IGH-1,MGF and the many other growth factors are linked to cancer in some studies.yet this does NOT mean they cause cancer.as told by the clear chemist himself[Patrick Arnold] linked does mean cause and effect.[ perhaps not exact words but general meaning].i share this belief to the tee and belive that in a non-cancerous person growth factors will not have a harmfull effect in reguards to causeing cancer.The good news is in a lot of ways growth factors are safer than normal anabolics or steroids.less hormonal crash,no gyno for 99% of people,and a powerfull local growth effect instead of a sysmatic one like in steroids.number two untruth in this myth is that growth factors are the most dangerous bodybuilding drugs. This is laughable. Dnp ,insulin,and diuretics are 1000 fold more dangerous than growth factors.case in point,growth factors are currently not known to be that dangerous at all.



MYTH#4 adrogens upregulate adrogen receptors.

This priceless piece of bro lore makes so little sense I don’t see how it was ever thought to be true.if it was,every cycle would be more effective than the last one on a millgram by millgram baseis. Simplely don’t belive this one at all.

MYTH#5 take drugs like avodart because you want to create the purest anabolic with no or very little adrogeric poten.with your cycle.


Hair loss and related problems cause this puseoscience to be propagated. Now I’m not saying there is no risk in very androgeric drugs.There is,but a anabolic that has no androgenic componet would leave the user watery with no hardness.This still didn’t stop even some great chemists and steroid gurus like dan duchaine for looking for the Holy grail of anabolics,which many people thought at one time was a steroid called thiomesterone.very little info was known about this drug in bodybuilding circles,and so it’s rep.grew until it was the perfect anabolic.In reality,even if this was true[which is not by the way] a androgeric drug would have to be used alongside thiomesterone to harden up the gains this “pure” anabolic would give.So unless you have had family problems with baldness,I really woundn’t worry about androgeric side effects.[note:acne can also be a big problem for some people when takeing androgeric drugs,and so anti-ance medicines will be a must to some on heavy androgens.]
MYTH#6 prohormones should be used for some who fear side effects of steroids because these are milder compounds.

Prohormones are great compounds.I’m not trying to put them down at all.still,this crazyness that all prohormones are mild compounds is lies! Methyl-1-test is a prime example.great steroid!potent steroid!and there lies the problem.some thought that M1T was the steroids’eq. Of candy.this is not only totally untrue,but leans to very dangerous ways of using this drug.i heard of some using 60-80 milligrams of this drug per day.to show how much that is ,here what William Llewellyn says in anabolics 2005 on M1T. “A TYPICAL EFFECTIVE ORAL DOSE FOR MEN WILL BE IN THE RANGE OF 5-10 MILLAGRAMS PER DAY,WITH 20 MILLAGRAMS REALLY BEING ON THE EXTREME END FOR THE RECREATIONAL BODYBUILDER.” This show’s how very nat’ive most are on the potent nature of prohormones.and if you think that all of today’s prohormones are friendlier,I fear you are mistaken.take home message,respect the potent nature of many of even today’s prohormones.
MYTH#7 insulin is both safe but hard to get your hands on.
Insulin can be used safely.nevertheless,insulin is one of those drugs you can’t mess around with.This part of the myth has luckly been dispelling lately,as people are really understanding the dangers of insulin by looking around their house.what am I talking about you ask?I’m talking about the wide use of insulin by the growing numbers of dieabetics.This comes mostly from overingestion of carbs.Also,unlike most people belive,insulin is deadfully easy to get.one of the absolutes easiest drugs to get in fact.
Well,that pretty much it.i’ve tried to disspell some common myths and hopefully this will prompt discussion.ask away if you have any questions

[BIGG DOGG]

Originally Posted by james55555

In resoponce to BIGRABBIT comment about stunting growth in youth weightlifters and if I was worried about that I have decide to have a little Q&A In which I will try to disspell certain myths about weightraining and why I belive what I belive.p.s. I mean no disrespect to more senior bodybuilders and do correct me if you think what I am saying is in any way wrong or untrue.

MYTH # 1 weight training will stunt your growth and so don’t do it!

Completely untrue. The only way weight training will stunt growth is if you serverly overtrain or most commonly if you don’t take in enough calcium.cal. is absolutely important because cal. Is needed by your muscles in large quanities for muscular contraction.Your body will steal ca. from your bones to feed your muscle so be sure to take a cal. Supplement when your young.

MYTH# 2 steroids will stunt your growth when your young so don’t take them.

Somewhat untrue.CERTAIN steroids will stunt growth because they will matabolism into ESTROGEN. This is what stunts growth in children. Some think that by takeing anti-estrogens with their anabolics they can use compounds like anadrol-50,test,or dino when their still young.I STRONGLY oppose this line of thinking. Even with arimadex not 100% of estrogen is suppressed and so using these drugs when your young is playing russiun roulet. On the other hand drugs like anavar have acutely been used as growth simulaters in children.these workbecause they cause calcium retentsion in humans. Drugs that are safe for young athletes are in my opinon:trenbolone,anavar,winstrol,and primobolan. These drugs are safe from estrogenic effects because the steroid backbone has been in some way modified to protech these drugs from aromotase.

MYTH#3 growth factors cause cancer and are bodybuilding most dangerous drug.

There is acutuly two untruths told here.Number one:IGH-1,MGF and the many other growth factors are linked to cancer in some studies.yet this does NOT mean they cause cancer.as told by the clear chemist himself[Patrick Arnold] linked does mean cause and effect.[ perhaps not exact words but general meaning].i share this belief to the tee and belive that in a non-cancerous person growth factors will not have a harmfull effect in reguards to causeing cancer.The good news is in a lot of ways growth factors are safer than normal anabolics or steroids.less hormonal crash,no gyno for 99% of people,and a powerfull local growth effect instead of a sysmatic one like in steroids.number two untruth in this myth is that growth factors are the most dangerous bodybuilding drugs. This is laughable. Dnp ,insulin,and diuretics are 1000 fold more dangerous than growth factors.case in point,growth factors are currently not known to be that dangerous at all.



MYTH#4 adrogens upregulate adrogen receptors.

This priceless piece of bro lore makes so little sense I don’t see how it was ever thought to be true.if it was,every cycle would be more effective than the last one on a millgram by millgram baseis. Simplely don’t belive this one at all.

MYTH#5 take drugs like avodart because you want to create the purest anabolic with no or very little adrogeric poten.with your cycle.


Hair loss and related problems cause this puseoscience to be propagated. Now I’m not saying there is no risk in very androgeric drugs.There is,but a anabolic that has no androgenic componet would leave the user watery with no hardness.This still didn’t stop even some great chemists and steroid gurus like dan duchaine for looking for the Holy grail of anabolics,which many people thought at one time was a steroid called thiomesterone.very little info was known about this drug in bodybuilding circles,and so it’s rep.grew until it was the perfect anabolic.In reality,even if this was true[which is not by the way] a androgeric drug would have to be used alongside thiomesterone to harden up the gains this “pure” anabolic would give.So unless you have had family problems with baldness,I really woundn’t worry about androgeric side effects.[note:acne can also be a big problem for some people when takeing androgeric drugs,and so anti-ance medicines will be a must to some on heavy androgens.]
MYTH#6 prohormones should be used for some who fear side effects of steroids because these are milder compounds.

Prohormones are great compounds.I’m not trying to put them down at all.still,this crazyness that all prohormones are mild compounds is lies! Methyl-1-test is a prime example.great steroid!potent steroid!and there lies the problem.some thought that M1T was the steroids’eq. Of candy.this is not only totally untrue,but leans to very dangerous ways of using this drug.i heard of some using 60-80 milligrams of this drug per day.to show how much that is ,here what William Llewellyn says in anabolics 2005 on M1T. “A TYPICAL EFFECTIVE ORAL DOSE FOR MEN WILL BE IN THE RANGE OF 5-10 MILLAGRAMS PER DAY,WITH 20 MILLAGRAMS REALLY BEING ON THE EXTREME END FOR THE RECREATIONAL BODYBUILDER.” This show’s how very nat’ive most are on the potent nature of prohormones.and if you think that all of today’s prohormones are friendlier,I fear you are mistaken.take home message,respect the potent nature of many of even today’s prohormones.
MYTH#7 insulin is both safe but hard to get your hands on.
Insulin can be used safely.nevertheless,insulin is one of those drugs you can’t mess around with.This part of the myth has luckly been dispelling lately,as people are really understanding the dangers of insulin by looking around their house.what am I talking about you ask?I’m talking about the wide use of insulin by the growing numbers of dieabetics.This comes mostly from overingestion of carbs.Also,unlike most people belive,insulin is deadfully easy to get.one of the absolutes easiest drugs to get in fact.
Well,that pretty much it.i’ve tried to disspell some common myths and hopefully this will prompt discussion.ask away if you have any questions

Why might i ask at 15 do you feel you have grounds to speek on any of this? What do you know personaly about any of this? How would a 15 year old have any experience with prohormones or steroids and why do you think it is ok for you to defy the rules and talk about these things???
You in no way should be attempting to justify the use of any of these substances you havnt even completed puberty.,... Quit trying to regurgitate your google searches and pretending to be knowledgable on these subjects.......

[Zombie]

come on dont talk like that to the guru, why cant we all be friends. Lets make a deal guru keeps sharing his knoledge and we can send him some training bras in exchange for his unvaluable knowledge, he sure needs them

[BIGG DOGG]

My point exactly... That case of Gyno he has is the exact reason why a 15 yearold should not be mesing with prohormones or steroids...But he is the guru..what do i know?

[james55555]

i don't follow mindless rules just to follow them,that is one part of what it takes to think outside the box.i don't head insults like yours by a pointless rebuttle but insead simply explain my medthods

[MPFit]

Originally Posted by james55555

i don't follow mindless rules just to follow them,that is one part of what it takes to think outside the box.i don't head insults like yours by a pointless rebuttle but insead simply explain my medthods

i dont understand...

Get a dictionary and learn to spell! I get the jist of most of what your saying, but that doesn't make any sense

No offense james, but BIGG DOGG is right, everyone on these forums has read the same exact information you have.. whether online or in books.. BUT on top of that information that we share-- the people on these forums have actual experience! To call yourself a guru with no experience on what your commenting about is absurd! I mean honestly, you really don't even look like you work out!

[BIGG DOGG]

This kid is an Idiot...

[MESSPLAY]

unsubbed.

I hope all of you have enough sense for the same action

[RoidRageX10]

Do I hear bioman anywhere? B5150? Size?

He is breaking the rules. Get him outta here.

[b unit]