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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    A lean(er) 260, bring my abs back at least somewhat and generally improve conditioning. I've reached a point where my long term health is higher priority than going up another shirt size.
    HAHA what opposite state of minds we have, I want to live as short as possible but as vital as possible. LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    HAHA what opposite state of minds we have, I want to live as short as possible but as vital as possible. LMAO
    Better to burn out than fade away right?? Have some kids and this will change quickly bubba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    HAHA what opposite state of minds we have, I want to live as short as possible but as vital as possible. LMAO
    I spend all my time cooped up in a lab doing experiments. Very sterile, stressful environment. I want to at least live long enough to get out of this damn place and enjoy life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Better to burn out than fade away right?? Have some kids and this will change quickly bubba.
    Bro I want to die with adrenaline in my veins, absolute adrenaline junkie. I know what you mean which is why I am not mating LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I spend all my time cooped up in a lab doing experiments. Very sterile, stressful environment. I want to at least live long enough to get out of this damn place and enjoy life.
    Yeah I gotcha LMAO. You have kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Bro I want to die with adrenaline in my veins, absolute adrenaline junkie. I know what you mean which is why I am not mating LOL.
    I can relate with that statement completely. I grew up in the 60s/70s and count my lucky stars to be here today. I wasn't planning on "Mating" either but life has a funny way of changing. Just be open to everything champ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    I can relate with that statement completely. I grew up in the 60s/70s and count my lucky stars to be here today. I wasn't planning on "Mating" either but life has a funny way of changing. Just be open to everything champ.
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    Partial ingredient list for Vanillean:


    Raspberry Ketones
    Zingerone
    Vanillin
    Capsaicin
    Carvacrol
    Allyl Isothiocyanate
    Black Pepper Extract........


    and more - maybe
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    That's a sexy looking list
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    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    A full write-up will be available momentarily.
    Nice I am excited! Like I mentioned this stuff looks good so far on paper and some good looking ingredients. I was not aware of somebody them bit the look is good so far. I don't think this will be one anyone feels is just the same old same old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulkPerf View Post
    Partial ingredient list for Vanillean:


    Raspberry Ketones
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    Vanillin
    Capsaicin
    Carvacrol
    Allyl Isothiocyanate
    Black Pepper Extract........


    and more - maybe
    Some I don't recognize, this guy is getting excited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Some I don't recognize, this guy is getting excited.
    Yeah I had to go look them up myself.
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    Oral isothiocyanate? Huh, had no idea it had a function...
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Yeah I gotcha LMAO. You have kids?
    Thank God not yet. Couldn't afford them or spend a decent amount of time with them at this point, sadly.
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    Eta on vanillean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Thank God not yet. Couldn't afford them or spend a decent amount of time with them at this point, sadly.
    Both very necessary. My opinion...you will be a great dad bubba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Oral isothiocyanate? Huh, had no idea it had a function...
    Your trepidation on this ingredient? Not orally bio-available? It is an allyl isomer is it not (if that even makes a difference, organic chemistry was a class I opted out of!)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Both very necessary. My opinion...you will be a great dad bubba.
    Thanks!

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    Your trepidation on this ingredient? Not orally bio-available? It is an allyl isomer is it not (if that even makes a difference, organic chemistry was a class I opted out of!)?
    If made into an aerosol it becomes...ahem...tear gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    If made into an aerosol it becomes...ahem...tear gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Thanks!



    If made into an aerosol it becomes...ahem...tear gas.
    It is in there to make the FAT CRY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    It is in there to make the FAT CRY!!!! The Dawson! All Hale the Dawson! AHEM... NOT!He looks like he is about to say. "I wish I knew how to quit you!"
    Maybe a little "I wish I knew how to quit you, BPS. You always keep me coming back for more."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Thanks!



    If made into an aerosol it becomes...ahem...tear gas.
    Good to know if I need to make some at home, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Good to know if I need to make some at home, lol!
    Too funny Oufinny I don't know that you and tear gas would be the best combination during certain times of the year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Too funny Oufinny I don't know that you and tear gas would be the best combination during certain times of the year!
    With great gas comes great responsibility
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    My favorite part of that scene is right after that clip ended: Peter (in soothing voice) "This is why we're here, Meg...This is why we're here." Cracks me up everytime.
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    Oh absolutely!! Whenever I workout with my son and he crushes it on a lift, I pull out the Peter voice and say that line. Makes for a good time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Oh absolutely!! Whenever I workout with my son and he crushes it on a lift, I pull out the Peter voice and say that line. Makes for a good time!
    I like to say, "That'll do, pig. That'll do." Gotten some funny looks in the gym for it.
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    A little something from PubMed on Vanillin one of the ingredients in Vanillean -

    Eur J Nutr. 2011 Mar;50(2):107-18. Epub 2010 Jun 26.
    Gastrodia elata Blume water extracts improve insulin resistance by decreasing body fat in diet-induced obese rats: vanillin and 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde are the bioactive candidates.

    Park S, Kim da S, Kang S.
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    Department of Food and Nutrition, Hoseo University, 165 Sechul-Ri, BaeBang-Yup, Asan-Si, ChungNam-Do, South Korea. smpark@hoseo.edu

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Insulin resistance is a common symptom of metabolic diseases such as obesity, type 2 diabetes and hyperlipidemia.
    AIM OF THE STUDY:

    We investigated whether Gastrodia elata Blume water extract(GEB), containing phenolic compounds, had a beneficial action on insulin resistance in male Sprague-Dawley rats fed a high fat diet(HFD) and determined how this effect was produced. In addition, the bioactive candidates involved were identified.
    METHODS:

    Rats fed HFD were daily administered with 0.3 g GEB(GEB-L), 1 g GEB(GEB-H), or 1 g cellulose(control) per kg body weight for 8 weeks, while rats in the fourth group were fed a low fat diet(LFD). In vitro study, 4 major components of GEB were tested for their impact on fat accumulation.
    RESULTS:

    Rats in the control group exhibited a higher weight gain of epididymal and retroperitoneal fat pads than those fed LFD, while GEB prevented such an increment in a dose-dependent manner. GEB-H significantly decreased energy intake partly through potentiating STAT3 phosphorylation and attenuating AMPK phosphorylation in the hypothalamus. GEB-H also increased energy expenditure with the increase in fat oxidation. GEB-H increased whole body glucose disposal rates and decreased hepatic glucose output compared to the control. Among the major components of GEB, 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde and vanillin decreased triglyceride accumulation by modulating the expression of genes involved in fat metabolism in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. They increased insulin-stimulated glucose uptake to reduce insulin resistance.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    GEB-H, mainly as a result of the action of 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde and vanillin, reduces insulin resistance by decreasing fat accumulation in adipocytes by activating fat oxidation and potentiating leptin signaling in diet-induced obese rats.
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    Hmm. I like what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    A little something from PubMed on Vanillin one of the ingredients in Vanillean -

    Eur J Nutr. 2011 Mar;50(2):107-18. Epub 2010 Jun 26.
    Gastrodia elata Blume water extracts improve insulin resistance by decreasing body fat in diet-induced obese rats: vanillin and 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde are the bioactive candidates.

    Park S, Kim da S, Kang S.
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    Department of Food and Nutrition, Hoseo University, 165 Sechul-Ri, BaeBang-Yup, Asan-Si, ChungNam-Do, South Korea. smpark@hoseo.edu

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Insulin resistance is a common symptom of metabolic diseases such as obesity, type 2 diabetes and hyperlipidemia.
    AIM OF THE STUDY:

    We investigated whether Gastrodia elata Blume water extract(GEB), containing phenolic compounds, had a beneficial action on insulin resistance in male Sprague-Dawley rats fed a high fat diet(HFD) and determined how this effect was produced. In addition, the bioactive candidates involved were identified.
    METHODS:

    Rats fed HFD were daily administered with 0.3 g GEB(GEB-L), 1 g GEB(GEB-H), or 1 g cellulose(control) per kg body weight for 8 weeks, while rats in the fourth group were fed a low fat diet(LFD). In vitro study, 4 major components of GEB were tested for their impact on fat accumulation.
    RESULTS:

    Rats in the control group exhibited a higher weight gain of epididymal and retroperitoneal fat pads than those fed LFD, while GEB prevented such an increment in a dose-dependent manner. GEB-H significantly decreased energy intake partly through potentiating STAT3 phosphorylation and attenuating AMPK phosphorylation in the hypothalamus. GEB-H also increased energy expenditure with the increase in fat oxidation. GEB-H increased whole body glucose disposal rates and decreased hepatic glucose output compared to the control. Among the major components of GEB, 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde and vanillin decreased triglyceride accumulation by modulating the expression of genes involved in fat metabolism in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. They increased insulin-stimulated glucose uptake to reduce insulin resistance.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    GEB-H, mainly as a result of the action of 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde and vanillin, reduces insulin resistance by decreasing fat accumulation in adipocytes by activating fat oxidation and potentiating leptin signaling in diet-induced obese rats.
    Damn, that sounds SEXY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    My favorite part of that scene is right after that clip ended: Peter (in soothing voice) "This is why we're here, Meg...This is why we're here." Cracks me up everytime.
    Or when he chases her around backwards farting and makes her puke, cracks me up every time!
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    Another abstract:

    Yakugaku Zasshi. 2008 Aug;128(8):1195-201.
    [Effects of zingerone on fat storage in ovariectomized rats].

    [Article in Japanese]
    Han LK, Morimoto C, Zheng YN, Li W, Asami E, Okuda H, Saito M.
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    We reported that ginger prevented obesity in mice fed a high-fat diet in previous study. In this experiment, we examined the effects of zingerone, the major pungent component of ginger on fat storage in ovariectomized (Ovx) rats. Oral administration of 170 mg/kg zingerone significantly reduced body weight and the final parametrail adipose tissue weight in ovariectomized rats. Blood glucose levels after oral administration of glucose were lower in zingerone-treated Ovx-rats than in the Ovx-rats (control). Basal lipolysis in zingerone-treated Ovx-rats was increased compared with that in the Ovx-rats. Zingerone significantly increased norepinephrine-induced lipolysis associated with the translocation of hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) from the cytosol to lipid droplets in adipocytes. These results indicate that zingerone may prevent the fat storage through increasing norepinephrine-induced lipolysis in adipocytes.
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    I was going to post that one up too since I didn't think anyone knew too much about it. Great post Resolve! This new product is very exciting.
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    I can't buy it until you sell it. Got me excited for this one boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I can't buy it until you sell it. Got me excited for this one boys.
    So that's not a banana in your pocket?!?
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    It's coming soon! The zingerone took a bit to get to the manufacturer due to some shipping issues but from what I understand it should be there this week and production starting ASAP! Expect it to drop soon!
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    With the smorgasboard of unique ingredients, I'm honestly surprised that things are moving along as smoothly as they are!
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    I agree, I believe I will be logging this one when it comes out also. Full on log, before and after pics, the whole enchilada!
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