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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Mr. Cooper, undoubtably you are one of the smartest men I've interacted with on the boards. You also have a way with words moreso than most politicians (a good trait), but past the nicely framed and worded post, is a meaningless point. Anything that constricts blood vessels (albeit caffeine) could do something to someone with a cardiac predisposition after intense exercise sessions. All else aside, Jack3d had a matrix of stimulants, not just 1,3DMAA.
    Mr. Coopers area of expertise is a valuable complement to my area of expertise and that of the other smart folks on this board
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  2. I appreciate both of you taking the time to be on these forums. Thanks.
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  3. What I don't get is why they say 80 reported cases like that a large number when aspartame and MSG have 200 times more and are often not even know ingredients with little to no warning labels. It's all money and politics.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    What I don't get is why they say 80 reported cases like that a large number when aspartame and MSG have 200 times more and are often not even know ingredients with little to no warning labels. It's all money and politics.
    Most adverse event reports are ridiculous anyway but you have to report them the the FDA regardless.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Mr. Cooper, undoubtably you are one of the smartest men I've interacted with on the boards. You also have a way with words moreso than most politicians (a good trait), but past the nicely framed and worded post, is a meaningless point. Anything that constricts blood vessels (albeit caffeine) could do something to someone with a cardiac predisposition after intense exercise sessions. All else aside, Jack3d had a matrix of stimulants, not just 1,3DMAA.
    I think that was the point, that it was only part of the equation. Most people that use it are not dropping like flies, so it isn't the only factor.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    Why did Theraflu and Bronkaid got banned??
    It's not banned. Know your facts before spreading gossip.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    It's not banned. Know your facts before spreading gossip.
    Read the next posts and get ur fact straight before you start typing
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by punjabimunde View Post
    Read the next posts and get ur fact straight before you start typing
    I know the facts long before anyone ever posted.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    PA brought/popularized:

    1,3D
    DAA
    COP
    Ursolic Acid

    USPLabs brought/popularized:

    Cissus
    Berberine
    Mucuna/L-dopa
    Rauwolscine

    Kudos to both
    I thought Matt/RPN brought rauwolscine to the market?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I thought Matt/RPN brought rauwolscine to the market?
    He did.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    He did.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I thought Matt/RPN brought rauwolscine to the market?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I thought Matt/RPN brought rauwolscine to the market?
    Indeed he did, but USPlabs popularized it

  13. The original heat stack was under Avant Labs not RPN was it not? I thought Par Deus was the one who first introduced alpha-y

    where is @Rodja

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    I thought Matt/RPN brought rauwolscine to the market?
    Rauwolscine = yohimbe ... That's how it sneaked past Aussie customs for a good couple of years

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post

    Rauwolscine = yohimbe ... That's how it sneaked past Aussie customs for a good couple of years
    Honestly, the should of fined Usplabs & the distributor. They should of cleared that, tho Im sure they lost tonz of stock.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    The original heat stack was under Avant Labs not RPN was it not? I thought Par Deus was the one who first introduced alpha-y

    where is @Rodja

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  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    The original heat stack was under Avant Labs not RPN was it not? I thought Par Deus was the one who first introduced alpha-y

    where is @Rodja

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post

    Honestly, the should of fined Usplabs & the distributor. They should of cleared that, tho Im sure they lost tonz of stock.
    2 year TGA investigation
    Minimum $10m fine

    More fines due soon... I'm sure you're already aware.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post
    Rauwolscine = yohimbe ... That's how it sneaked past Aussie customs for a good couple of years

    no its alpha yohimbine and it was quite popular before USP labs ever touched it.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I appreciate the kind words man. Let me clarify something so you can see it from my point of view:

    -Jack3d has 2 stims: caffeine and 1,3D
    -Schizandra actually reduces afterload (human study) and thus TPR/CO
    -Arginine will have no effect on BP or a slight reduction (less afterload)
    -Creatine and BA won't really affect cardiovascular parameters

    Taking those into account, you're looking at caffeine and 1,3D (plus 2 ingredients that may have the opposite effect). Caffeine is synergistic with the NE reuptake properties of 1,3DMAA; so is exercise, which increases NE release into the synaptic cleft (or adrenal medulla).

    So a vasoconstricutor would not have the same effect as 1,3 DMAA per se. DMAA hits more than just TPR; it hits cardiac output too, and it does so in a manner that becomes more pronounced with caffeine and/or exercise. Inhibitors of eNOS or other vasoconstrictors would not have this effect
    I see. Thanks, Coop.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Iain1668 View Post
    2 year TGA investigation
    thermogravimetric analysis?
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post

    thermogravimetric analysis?
    Doubt it...

    Most likely the time frame is a result of checking how much was imported and what else was imported that shouldn't have been.

    I'd be surprised if the TGA let the OEP Rauwolsine thing slide...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Iain1668 View Post
    Doubt it...

    Most likely the time frame is a result of checking how much was imported and what else was imported that shouldn't have been.

    I'd be surprised if the TGA let the OEP Rauwolsine thing slide...
    There isn't much they can do other than suck it up that they are idiots.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    There isn't much they can do other than suck it up that they are idiots.
    With all the social issues in the USA, the gov is focusing on 2nd rate anabolics and ****ty ineffective supplements

  25. what will be the dose ???

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Propietary blends are often a necessary evil unfortuntately. They often have to be used in cases where you need to keep a formula propietary. OTOH, they can be exploited by people looking to mislead people to think that cool ingredients are in there in more than microgram quantities

    For instance lets say i was to introduce a new formula for a stim product that replaces 1,3 DMAA. Just being theortetical of course. Do you think I should list the exact amounts of everything in there so that USP or whoever can immediately clone it? No, I would list the blend of ingredients without outlining exact quantity.

    This sort of labeling and descrbing products is done in every industry pretty much other than pharmaceutical (which for obvous reasons demands complete disclosure of actives)
    I see your point Patrick, but I was referring to propriety blends of common supplements like aminos, caffine etc that allows companies to underdose active ingredients and make ample use of colon-destroying filler. And the thing is, supplements are too subtile to tell the difference - 1.5 creatine vs 5g - who the hell can tell?

    There will always going to be copycat products, but it's the companies who are innovative and trustworthy who will stay ahead of the curve. Trustworthy includes transparency IMO.

    Did I mention how much I hate product names that play off real hormones??

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post
    I see your point Patrick, but I was referring to propriety blends of common supplements like aminos, caffine etc that allows companies to underdose active ingredients and make ample use of colon-destroying filler. And the thing is, supplements are too subtile to tell the difference - 1.5 creatine vs 5g - who the hell can tell?

    There will always going to be copycat products, but it's the companies who are innovative and trustworthy who will stay ahead of the curve. Trustworthy includes transparency IMO.

    Did I mention how much I hate product names that play off real hormones??

    amounts of stuff like creatine, amino acids, and especially caffeine should be listed on the label IMO. Other things can be under propietary blend part though
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post
    I see your point Patrick, but I was referring to propriety blends of common supplements like aminos, caffine etc that allows companies to underdose active ingredients and make ample use of colon-destroying filler. And the thing is, supplements are too subtile to tell the difference - 1.5 creatine vs 5g - who the hell can tell?

    There will always going to be copycat products, but it's the companies who are innovative and trustworthy who will stay ahead of the curve. Trustworthy includes transparency IMO.

    Did I mention how much I hate product names that play off real hormones??
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post

    I see your point Patrick, but I was referring to propriety blends of common supplements like aminos, caffine etc that allows companies to underdose active ingredients and make ample use of colon-destroying filler. And the thing is, supplements are too subtile to tell the difference - 1.5 creatine vs 5g - who the hell can tell?

    There will always going to be copycat products, but it's the companies who are innovative and trustworthy who will stay ahead of the curve. Trustworthy includes transparency IMO.

    Did I mention how much I hate product names that play off real hormones??
    Funny, I literally posted on my work FB page saying such prop blends were bullsh*t

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    No Dianabolan or Testagen Sustenate OTC products from the back of Muscle & Fitness? 100% guaranteed
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Bro 400% increase in TEST!!!!
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