You could not have read the article.no kidding.. another article blaming America for the worlds problems...
The story originally came from http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.htmlThe comments were the most interesting; however...i digress.
Another article talking about conspiracy theories. Is there nothing else a 2nd rate news paper can talk about to get readers/ratings? Controversy sells, aint' love grand.
There ARE two sides to every story.Gitta love threads from luther.
This flu outbreak is our fault as well.Gitta love threads from luther.
Wrong. But you seem to have the worldview that 'the American government can do no wrong'.America is evil.
The world according to Luther.
Going through your post history and mine, I think the extreme point of view is on your end Luther...not mine.Wrong. But you seem to have the worldview that 'the American government can do no wrong'.
You again mis-characterize (or misunderstand the reason for) the nature of my posts,but after a few exchanges with you I expect no less.Going through your post history and mine, I think the extreme point of view is on your end Luther...not mine.
Its not that I think the American government can do no wrong, its that you think it can't, or rarely has done anything right.
There ARE always two sides to every story and in your case it usually consists of a "victim" and how America has created/exploited him. This time its the exploited and justified Pirate.
You would fit into San Fran quite well.
You again mis-characterize (or misunderstand the reason for) the nature of my posts,but after a few exchanges with you I expect no less.
Anyway,a couple quotes:
"To oppose the policies of a government does not mean you are against the country or the people that the government supposedly represents. Such opposition should be called what it really is: democracy, or democratic dissent, or having a critical perspective about what your leaders are doing. Either we have the right to democratic dissent and criticism of these policies or we all lie down and let the leader, the Fuhrer, do what is best, while we follow uncritically, and obey whatever he commands. That's just what the Germans did with Hitler, and look where it got them."
Michael Parenti
To criticize one's country is to do it a service. Criticism, in short, is more than a right; it is an act of patriotism - a higher form of patriotism, I believe, than the familiar rituals and national adulation."
U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright
Piracy is a war-like act committed by a nonstate actor, especially robbery or criminal violence committed at sea, on a river, or sometimes on shore, either from a vessel flying no national flag, or one flying a national flag but without authorization from a national authority.The easiest way to frame the issue is this: why is it when Americans raid ships within a certain distance of their shores it's called the Coast Guard, when Somalis do it it's called piracy?
In demonstrating that so long as it's government doing the thieving, somehow it's okay.Piracy is a war-like act committed by a nonstate actor, especially robbery or criminal violence committed at sea, on a river, or sometimes on shore, either from a vessel flying no national flag, or one flying a national flag but without authorization from a national authority.
Where does the US fit in here?
So now the Coast Guard steals?In demonstrating that so long as it's government doing the thieving, somehow it's okay.
Damn you, you werent supposed to tell. :28:This flu outbreak is our fault as well.
Oh snap..........where is the pic of you all tied up with a female pointing at you?I was water boarded. They got me.
Of course not. They're the Coast Guard. So, when they take stuff that isn't theirs, say some intoxicants the government doesn't want you to have along with the boat they're in and the houses and vehicles and bank accounts of those who are transporting the stuff, it's called confiscation or seizure. Anyone else does it, it's called theft. When the government does it though, a magic pixie pops out of God's ass, sprinkles some dust on the people involved, and it makes actions that for an individual would be 'criminal' all fine and dandy for the state engage in with impunity.So now the Coast Guard steals?
BRB...joining the Coast Guard to get my booty.
In demonstrating that so long as it's government doing the thieving, somehow it's okay.
More to the point, Somalia, in resisting the rest of the world's attempts to force a central government on them, are the closest to proving that while it's ain't perfect, a life without the state is possible. That can't be allowed to continue. And it is perfectly legitimate to ask why actions taken by private individuals are somehow criminal and yet when the state does the same it is perfectly fine and dandy.
Thats in my personal collection.Oh snap..........where is the pic of you all tied up with a female pointing at you?
Youre hilarious. I want 2 of whatever you are drinking. Youre right, life without a strong government is possible. However, the end result is genocide, starvation, and lack of health care and education. But youre right, we are impierialist pigs for trying to end that. Or defending our citizens when they are hijacked.Of course not. They're the Coast Guard. So, when they take stuff that isn't theirs, say some intoxicants the government doesn't want you to have along with the boat they're in and the houses and vehicles and bank accounts of those who are transporting the stuff, it's called confiscation or seizure. Anyone else does it, it's called theft. When the government does it though, a magic pixie pops out of God's ass, sprinkles some dust on the people involved, and it makes actions that for an individual would be 'criminal' all fine and dandy for the state engage in with impunity.
Historically speaking all of those are lot more likely to be the result of a government's presence, not its absence. It's also worth mentioning that whatever near stateless societies exist today, they have years of government control before they become stateless that they need to recover from. I mean, if a person with a massive cancerous tumor gets it taken out and goes into remission, you're not going to blame their weightloss and anemia on their current healthy status but their past unhealthy status, ya know?Youre hilarious. I want 2 of whatever you are drinking. Youre right, life without a strong government is possible. However, the end result is genocide, starvation, and lack of health care and education.
If you don't want to get hijacked, stay away from the property of people who tend to pissed when you're there uninvited. Or, negotiate with them. God forbid though we acknowledge Somalia or its population on any level without a central government in place to fleece them for us. Hell, the deal might actually work to their benefit and while I doubt the world will go anarcho capitalist the situation might make people elsewhere more apt question how Somalis manage to live without seeing massive portions of their income disappear into some bureaucrat's pocket. That would be truly horrific.But youre right, we are impierialist pigs for trying to end that. Or defending our citizens when they are hijacked.
Oh yeah, I know all about that, especially from the local guys down here in Fort Myers. Those guys are filthy rich from all the Haitians and Cubans they steal trying to get into the country. They then sell those Haitians and Cubans on the black market. Its a wonderful business to be in.Of course not. They're the Coast Guard. So, when they take stuff that isn't theirs, say some intoxicants the government doesn't want you to have along with the boat they're in and the houses and vehicles and bank accounts of those who are transporting the stuff, it's called confiscation or seizure. Anyone else does it, it's called theft. When the government does it though, a magic pixie pops out of God's ass, sprinkles some dust on the people involved, and it makes actions that for an individual would be 'criminal' all fine and dandy for the state engage in with impunity.
Yes, that's exactly what we all think. Those poor pirates are just very angry environmentalists. I say let Greenpeace hijack vessels as well.some good posts here. this is just a classic example of how the US media dictates how we view certain groups of people. our media is horribly one sided on most things, not all, but most. would you believe that not all muslims want us dead....its true. but if i ask some of the people i run into on a daily basis....most responses are something like "those f***ing towel-headed pukes, we should drop a nuke over there and turn the whole desert into a sheet of glass". no one here needs to be offended, unless you actually think like that.
i'm not talking about the people who are hijacking others and holding them for ransom. i'm talking about the fisherman and the people who have to deal with that mercury and other waste that is washing up on their shores. as if those people don't have a crappy life anyway, now they have to deal with that crap too. funny, i never heard anything about that on CBS, NBC or Fox news networks......have you? that is my point, for all most American's know, all people on that side of Africa are gun toting, ransom loving savages. don't get me wrong here man, i'm not a tree hugging liberal, and the ones who hijack ships and hold crew members hostage, should be dealt with swiftly and to the full extent of international law.........but that small population does not make up the whole that is in that region. theres a big difference here.....Yes, that's exactly what we all think. Those poor pirates are just very angry environmentalists. I say let Greenpeace hijack vessels as well.
which is the problem with any and every non-specific action ever being initiated anywhere in the world along with the source of every stereotype and ethnic/racial/social characterization ever created ... ever.that small population does not make up the whole that is in that region
No I don't hear about it... I generally hear about the mercury and toxins in our own water, especially in canned tuna.i'm not talking about the people who are hijacking others and holding them for ransom. i'm talking about the fisherman and the people who have to deal with that mercury and other waste that is washing up on their shores. as if those people don't have a crappy life anyway, now they have to deal with that crap too. funny, i never heard anything about that on CBS, NBC or Fox news networks......have you? that is my point, for all most American's know, all people on that side of Africa are gun toting, ransom loving savages. don't get me wrong here man, i'm not a tree hugging liberal, and the ones who hijack ships and hold crew members hostage, should be dealt with swiftly and to the full extent of international law.........but that small population does not make up the whole that is in that region. theres a big difference here.....
Oh yeah, I know all about that, especially from the local guys down here in Fort Myers. Those guys are filthy rich from all the Haitians and Cubans they steal trying to get into the country. They then sell those Haitians and Cubans on the black market. Its a wonderful business to be in.
Yes, the Coast Guard confiscating and ruining peoples lives is a huge problem in this country. And they are racists too...When my sisters, cousins, uncle was kidnapped by the Coast Guard for ransom, I was pissed!
..and don't EVEN start talking about cops...we should just do away with them!
Technically the assertion of property rights in the oceans and air would solve a lot of environmental problems. Which is likely why the government goes out of its way to try and not let that happen.Yes, that's exactly what we all think. Those poor pirates are just very angry environmentalists. I say let Greenpeace hijack vessels as well.
I know a flounder who would disagree.Once you kidnap and hold someone for ransom, you are a fisherman no longer.
I'm not avoiding anything. If I wanted to avoid it, I wouldn't post. And please, I have much more than marginal talent.You have a marginal talent for avoiding the issue. Did I say taking **** was all the Coast Guard did? No, just that I found it interesting to say the least that actions engaged in by our government every day that are considered legitimate are somehow criminal when individuals do them.
Fixed.Technically the assertion of property rights in the oceans and air would solve a lot of environmental problems. Which is likely why the world goes out of its way to try and not let that happen.
Yes but they do it for the halibut....I know a flounder who would disagree.
your dam straight about that....we've got so much wrong right here in our own backyard, we should really get some of this corrected first before we play world police and babysitterNo I don't hear about it... I generally hear about the mercury and toxins in our own water, especially in canned tuna.
There is a lot of **** we don't hear. Far be it for me to defend the media, but its ultimate purpose now is to make money, not report what needs to be reported.
And no doubt some Somalis know the pirates and are thankful for what they're doing. Your point?I'm not avoiding anything. If I wanted to avoid it, I wouldn't post. And please, I have much more than marginal talent.
I just had to chuckle at the comparison given I know a few of them.
Incorrect. Unless of course there is no differentiation in your mind between governments and their people.Fixed.
My point...I was laughing at your comparison of the Coast Guard to Somali pirates.And no doubt some Somalis know the pirates and are thankful for what they're doing. Your point?
The world and its governments, not the entire population of the earth.Incorrect. Unless of course there is no differentiation in your mind between governments and their people.
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