Who wants a new BLR SERM?!

[BCseacow83]

I am interested. I personally have always looked better taking a SERM (nolva) vs taking an AI. I also feel better. An OTC that is safe would be great.

 

[brundel]

Is it an e. Cottoni product like the BPS product which will be launched soon?

It looks like e cottoni is great for czncer but not pct.
I see it compared to tamox with regards to shrinking tumor size. Looks great when reading the abstract but the full text doesnt say anything about it being a serm. If you guys know of a study showing e cottoni is a serm please post a link.

Mine is not e cottoni.

 

[booneman77]

It looks like e cottoni is great for czncer but not pct. I see it compared to tamox with regards to shrinking tumor size. Looks great when reading the abstract but the full text doesnt say anything about it being a serm. If you guys know of a study showing e cottoni is a serm please post a link. Mine is not e cottoni.

So what's the word on this happening or not?

 

[brundel]

Lols.

There is a good chance yah.

30 people said they would be into it. Frighteningly small number but It seems like there is a need for it so, Ill likely do it just so there is a viable product.

Im working on having it made right now.

 

[uubiduu]

Lols.

There is a good chance yah.

30 people said they would be into it. Frighteningly small number but It seems like there is a need for it so, Ill likely do it just so there is a viable product.

Im working on having it made right now.

Brundel you would be king if you make it possible that we can buy this product in UK soon.And if it really is a replacement for RC chems

 

[uubiduu]

Brundel you would be king if you make it possible that we can buy this product in UK soon.And if it really is a replacement for RC chems

And i think the market for this supp is MUCH higher than you assume now.Imagine every second SERM user would switch to your natty alternative...

 

[HIT4ME]

Lols.

There is a good chance yah.

30 people said they would be into it. Frighteningly small number but It seems like there is a need for it so, Ill likely do it just so there is a viable product.

Im working on having it made right now.

I am not super excited about a natural SERM for the reasons I said before - I'm just not a huge user. However, having said that, I think there is kind of a strange effect with surveys on these forums about products.

If you had this great sexy idea and asked the same question, you would have tons of people jumping in the thread saying, "Yeah that would be great!" and then you would make it and most of the people who said it would be great would never buy it. I kind of fall into this category possibly - I think the idea is good, but I may just not have a need for it for a while.

On the other hand, you have something people have a need for, and they're using it, so they don't think much about it and don't get excited and may not even say they'd be interested, but then it comes out and they learn about it, try it, like it and buy a ton of it. I think this may be the case for you.

 

[brundel]

I have a specific method for deciding which projects to focus on.
The SERM would go against this method.

The good news Its a project I worked on over a year ago and its just been sitting on the shelf.
We spent alot of time working on the extraction process as well as other alterations to the chemical itself.

Really All I have to do is make a label and have 10-20kg made and its good to go. So I will probably do it just because I know it works great and I want you guys to have it as an option. Ill do my best to keep price rock bottom but keep in mind we altered the extracted chem from its .."natural" form.

 

[Mission1]

Waiting patiently, credit card in hand.

 

[brundel]

It will for sure be at least a month as its tough to manufacture.
Im also pouring over all my old SERM studies and seeing if I can find anything else that would compliment it.
If not. no big deal I think its enough solo but if I can improve on it I will.

In the mean time Im still hard at work on our new pre workout product.
This has been hands down the most enlightening R&D project I have undertaken since I started in the Supp industry.
Im learning alot about how certain things effect the body and Im learning how easily we overlook incredible ingredients.

Its also great because I know for 100% sure that the ingredient profile wont look like you would expect.
People will be skeptical (probably alot less will doubt me after Follidrone but there will still be people who need to see it to believe it.
So far the problems we are having is some of the ingredients when combined are just to strong.

Its going to be pretty amazing stuff though.

 

[brundel]

Oh I have 4 other ideas/irons in the fire.
Im not gonna talk about them because as soon as I say anything ...well...lets just say Im learning alot about this industry.
I had taken the approach of being vocal with regards to what I am working on and even letting the forum members help with testing and R&D.
I did this at Ironmag when we first started as well but Im learning that some guys are basically just watching and waiting for someone to give them ideas.

Im not giving anyone anymore ideas lol.
Theyll have to wait till release

 

[koi1214]

It will for sure be at least a month as its tough to manufacture.
Im also pouring over all my old SERM studies and seeing if I can find anything else that would compliment it.
If not. no big deal I think its enough solo but if I can improve on it I will.

In the mean time Im still hard at work on our new pre workout product.
This has been hands down the most enlightening R&D project I have undertaken since I started in the Supp industry.
Im learning alot about how certain things effect the body and Im learning how easily we overlook incredible ingredients.

Its also great because I know for 100% sure that the ingredient profile wont look like you would expect.
People will be skeptical (probably alot less will doubt me after Follidrone but there will still be people who need to see it to believe it.
So far the problems we are having is some of the ingredients when combined are just to strong.

Its going to be pretty amazing stuff though.

What is the ETA for pre and is it non stim?

 

[brundel]

Currently the pre workout is being worked on in compartments.
We do have a stim component but it is not set in stone. I dont want to give anything away but Im not going to use the commonly used stimulants for a specific reason that Ill talk about more when the product is ready for release.

99% of PWO users want stimulation.
a HUGE portion of those people want it to feel like you injected meth, crack, and sprinkled adderal on your wheaties for breakfast.
There are problems with this though that are not limited to it being unsafe to use heavy stimulants and then overexert yourself and overheat yourself.
= Recipe for disaster. Dome companies will pretty much put anything they can get away with in there including amphetamines and just run with it until the FDA fines them but they sell millions of units because everyone wants crack in their PWO.

The other thing is Crack in your PWO is not helping you reach your goals.
our PWO is designed to help you reach your goals not to get you high. if I can make it feel like your flying in a blue dream and still be safe and accomplish our predetermined goals I will.
I am testing all kinds of things currently.

Wish I had more guinea pigs to be honest but I just cant afford the liability of giving untested things to guys I dont know lol.

Currently there are 6 components to the PWO.
most of them compliment each other and there will be a synergy the likes of which I dont think has ever been seen.

Im really having a good time researching and testing on this project though.

Im hoping to be able to get the PWO out this year.

 

[booneman77]

Couldn't you just have testers sign some form of non disclosure/ liability rom before testing to ensure a) confidentiality and b) lack of liability on your end? I'm sure you'd find people willing to do both

 

[brundel]

I probably could but it would be alot of work and Id need to involve a lawyer.
And..I still could likely be sued if someone was somehow injured.

Trust me..otherwise you guys would all be eating test batches lol.

 

[Quads_of_Stee]

let's do it!

 

[brundel]

Ill send over the first batch-

 

[AE14]

Lols. There is a good chance yah. 30 people said they would be into it. Frighteningly small number but It seems like there is a need for it so, Ill likely do it just so there is a viable product. Im working on having it made right now.

count me in to give it a run

 

[HIT4ME]

if I can make it feel like your flying in a blue dream and still be safe and accomplish our predetermined goals I will.

Is that a Joe Satriani reference? wouldn't have expected that here.

 

[brundel]

Is that a Joe Satriani reference? wouldn't have expected that here.

In fact it is.

 

[booneman77]

Ill send over the first batch- <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108135"/>

Totally looks legit. That from gnc?

 

[HIT4ME]

In fact it is.

Haha, well, you just built automatic rapport. Haha. I love that guy. Such an inspiration on many different levels.

 

[brundel]

Totally looks legit. That from gnc?

Wallmart also carries it.

 

[horizons]

Currently the pre workout is being worked on in compartments.
We do have a stim component but it is not set in stone. I dont want to give anything away but Im not going to use the commonly used stimulants for a specific reason that Ill talk about more when the product is ready for release.

99% of PWO users want stimulation.
a HUGE portion of those people want it to feel like you injected meth, crack, and sprinkled adderal on your wheaties for breakfast.
There are problems with this though that are not limited to it being unsafe to use heavy stimulants and then overexert yourself and overheat yourself.
= Recipe for disaster. Dome companies will pretty much put anything they can get away with in there including amphetamines and just run with it until the FDA fines them but they sell millions of units because everyone wants crack in their PWO.

The other thing is Crack in your PWO is not helping you reach your goals.
our PWO is designed to help you reach your goals not to get you high. if I can make it feel like your flying in a blue dream and still be safe and accomplish our predetermined goals I will.
I am testing all kinds of things currently.

Wish I had more guinea pigs to be honest but I just cant afford the liability of giving untested things to guys I dont know lol.

Currently there are 6 components to the PWO.
most of them compliment each other and there will be a synergy the likes of which I dont think has ever been seen.

Im really having a good time researching and testing on this project though.

Im hoping to be able to get the PWO out this year.

We all love new stims.
And we are becoming focus junkies

 

[HIT4ME]

To be honest, I hate taking too many stims before working out. Yohimbine is even worse. Some stim is OK, but if you over do it, you wind up reducing performance dramatically. Such attempts have left me with weird sensations of feeling cold, weak, and short of breath in the middle of a set, which actually greatly reduces your focus (obviously).

A PWO that actually helps improve performance and/or move you toward your goals would be very different from any PWO I've seen in the past...which is why I've never really used a PWO. If I need some focus and energy, 200-400 mg of caffeine before my workout will do it.

 

[brundel]

For decades guys just had a cup of coffee before training lol.

Ill say this though.

I have a handful of stimulating ingredients that are rare I am trying to source. I may or may not be successful but Ill continue to try.

 

[goodvibes]

To be honest, I hate taking too many stims before working out. Yohimbine is even worse. Some stim is OK, but if you over do it, you wind up reducing performance dramatically. Such attempts have left me with weird sensations of feeling cold, weak, and short of breath in the middle of a set, which actually greatly reduces your focus (obviously).

A PWO that actually helps improve performance and/or move you toward your goals would be very different from any PWO I've seen in the past...which is why I've never really used a PWO. If I need some focus and energy, 200-400 mg of caffeine before my workout will do it.

Yohimbe has the worst effect on me. I have that same feeling you just described when I take it. It's like having a flu...

 

[turff49]

Same here. I stay away from yohimbe.

 

[kisaj]

I can't take yohimbe, but I am in absolute agreement with Brundels comments about people just thinking they need to be cracked out to get a good workout. I am quite the opposite and prefer a calmer focus with stamina. I like to feel like a robot with only one goal in mind when I am pushing weight.

 

[brundel]

I used to like the cracked out feeling dont get me wrong but intellect trumps inclination in this case because I know that most of the time stimulants, especially long term, can be more detrimental than beneficial for a serious trained athlete.

So far we have several versions.
70% of them have one or more ingredients you would.."feel". These vary from mild to one we canned because even at low mg doses it was very stout and the gap between safe use and overdose was too small.

How you feel when your training plays an important role. Ever have a great day...just upbeat, nothing can stop you. When you get to the gym you feel energized and inspired to push harder and further than ever. You hit PR after PR and feel like an Fn gorilla. I love these days and while I know well that sleep and food intake and all kinds of things play their part just feeling great can give you much better workouts. Knowing this I plan on making sure you dont feel shakey and crappy like yohimbine. The goal is to include at least 1 feel good/ stimulant thats never been used in a PWO or in one case ever in any supplement.

 

[chedapalooza]

Yes subbed

 

[abformulations]

Bump for more interest in people wanting this to happen as I would love for it to come about.

 

[CJNator]

In!

 

[Jackedjack]

Bump brundel are you still going to produce this?

 

[CJNator]

Why not have people preorder it and just make the amount that was pretty ordered instead of making batches so there are no extras or make a preorder to determine how many people would buy it?

 

[brundel]

Any of you guys getting close to PCT and plan on running bloodwork before PCT and after?

 

[mattikus]

That would be great to see it in action, before and afters with bloodwork. I would if my situation was different.

 

[Jackedjack]

Any of you guys getting close to PCT and plan on running bloodwork before PCT and after?

I'm about to hop on a light cycle before taking a break until spring. I would be willing to do before and afters

 

[Bengal]

I voted yes. But I thought Viron was supposed to be a "serm"???!!!

 

[Joshlm69]

I voted yes. But I thought Viron was supposed to be a "serm"???!!!

Definitely not:... Viron can raise e2 so it's said to run an AI along side it.

It's a free test booster

 

[Bengal]

Definitely not:... Viron can raise e2 so it's said to run an AI along side it.

It's a free test booster

Viron + formestane = "serm" or no?

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

Any of you guys getting close to PCT and plan on running bloodwork before PCT and after?

Dangit Im finishing up my PCT and gonna run blood soon.

But I may jump on a ostarine cycle and blood will be run pre and post again

 

[Joshlm69]

Viron + formestane = "serm" or no?

No

Clomid or nova = serm

 

[Bengal]

Not trying to sound like a dick, but I know. That's why I used quotes

 

[goodvibes]

Not trying to sound like a dick, but I know. That's why I used quotes

Actually saw your first post on this thread and you did sound like a trolling dick from the beginning

 

[Bengal]

Nope. I bought viron a few weeks ago. I was under the impression that was BLR's "serm". Just add formestane. He has stated it can be used for pct viron+formestane and nothing else. Then I came across this thread and was a little confused

 

[Joshlm69]

Nope. I bought viron a few weeks ago. I was under the impression that was BLR's "serm". Just add formestane. He has stated it can be used for pct viron+formestane and nothing else. Then I came across this thread and was a little confused

Pretty sure he meant you didnt need a SERM for Viron, just use formeron.

You misread ...

 

[abformulations]

Point blank Viron and formeron does not equal "serm" lol.

If u run viron it's best to run it with an AI like formeron to control estro.

New SERM is in the works and hopefully there's a big demand for it.

 

[Bengal]

Pretty sure he meant you didnt need a SERM for Viron, just use formeron.

You misread ...

Here is the opening post from the Viron FAQ thread

It is especially good for PCT. You could run the Viron and Formeron for PCT with no other additions. Post cycle your system is a mess. Aside from the obvious benefit in PCT of raising test and free test EL acts like a SERM similar to tamoxifen (novadex). In addition you get reduced inflammation and improved lipid profile (lipids are normally extremely bad after any oral steroid or prohormone). Furthermore you will benefit from the reduction in cortisol and general mood improvement everyone needs during PCT.

Combines with Formeron it makes a perfect PCT.

 

[brundel]

Firstly Viron is not really a SERM so lets not call it that. I will state that there is a study I read that indicates something in eurycoma longifolia/Tongakat works as a SERM but there isnt enough research or information to go on.

Viron is intended to raise testosterone levels but most importantly FREE testosterone levels.
It has a ton of other properties.

Increases total test but it really shines in its ability to raise free test which is the portion available to bind to androgen receptors.
reduces SHBG
Decreases cortisol
Increases vit D levels
Decreases inflammation

Formeron works great for PCT.
An aromatase inhibitor is better than a SERM for PCT in my opinion but this is another question/answer.
So Formeron + Viron is great for PCT.

Viron has many great properties though. Here is a blog post with a great way to use it for a natty cycle.
http://www.blacklionresearch.com/black-lion-research-blog/