Tribulus is making me aggressive, will it work for libido ?

[Danes]

Danes just got my Vemoherb just in time to start PCT

Nice !let me know how it.goes

 

[vujade]

Nice !let me know how it.goes

WILL do bro :biglaugh:
:

 

[jameschoi]

Danes just got my Vemoherb just in time to start PCT

How much trib do you take for pct everyday.

 

[vujade]

How much trib do you take for pct everyday.

I haven't started yet, but will be taking 1000 to 1200mg per day.

 

[Danes]

I haven't started yet, but will be taking 1000 to 1200mg per day.

What ??my eyes are blurred
You sir should take 2g!

 

[rtmilburn]

What ??my eyes are blurred
You sir should take 2g!

Danes being conservative! I was certain you would recommend something like 5g!?!

 

[thebigt]

For T levels its useless, but sure, if it has adaptogen effect etc., It may give other benefits
I mean, Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and no matter what compound you use, it will not increase even 1% of T if you are in high normal range

t-levels are not the only thing that affects quality of life...even though I am on trt and my t-level is at around 600 I get a very nice boost in mood, libido, energy and sleep with test-boosters.

 

[Danes]

t-levels are not the only thing that affects quality of life...even though I am on trt and my t-level is at around 600 I get a very nice boost in mood, libido, energy and sleep with test-boosters.

Thats true, but I was talking about T levels the reason I mentioned T Levels is ,those compouns are sold and advertised for T boost.

Example: Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is used as T boosting ingredient in T boosters.I bet it will do nothing to your T levels at 600. But, it may give you better sleep, calming effect +++. Is it still worth it ?yes! For only T boosting effect?No!

You are right, T levels is not the only that affect the quality of life. Those "test boosting" ingredients have other benefits like I said. I am not saying T boosters are totaly worthless. But I am.saying they are totaly worthless if your T levels are in normal range and your main goal with T booster is to increase T levels higher.

 

[Danes]

Danes being conservative! I was certain you would recommend something like 5g!?!

Haha

 

[ucheoma]

Aside from slight libido bumps I feel none of the oft quoted "off label" benefits of natty 'test boosters'. Thankfully I dont have problems with my libido so not an attribute i go hunting for. I don;t particularly want to be distracted all day long ha ha

 

[Danes]

Aside from slight libido bumps I feel none of the oft quoted "off label" benefits of natty 'test boosters'. Thankfully I dont have problems with my libido so not an attribute i go hunting for. I don;t particularly want to be distracted all day long ha ha

Quality Tongkat Ali and High % Protodioscin Tribulus gave me massive sex drive and libido. Actually, it was annoying and I could not even focus at work
But we shall not forget, my T levels are just 259

 

[The_Old_Guy]

But we shall not forget, my T levels are just 259

Do they not have TRT in Norway? It seems you are wasting a lot of money on natty crap, when $15 a month could have you 'right as rain'.

 

[jameschoi]

Quality Tongkat Ali and High % Protodioscin Tribulus gave me massive sex drive and libido. Actually, it was annoying and I could not even focus at work
But we shall not forget, my T levels are just 259

Where did you buy your Tongkat Ali.

 

[Danes]

Do they not have TRT in Norway? It seems you are wasting a lot of money on natty crap, when $15 a month could have you 'right as rain'.

Sure does we have TRT but frequent and urgent urination is not fun at all. I feel actually great anyway. Still gaining Size even with low T

I havent bought any supps lately (just high dosed tomatidine).
Food <3

 

[Danes]

Where did you buy your Tongkat Ali.

LJ100

 

[thebigt]

Do they not have TRT in Norway? It seems you are wasting a lot of money on natty crap, when $15 a month could have you 'right as rain'.

this is false...there are many guys who still suffer ed and or low libido even on trt...it is not uncommon to see both testosterone and Viagra prescribed. trt is not a cure all.

 

[thebigt]

Thats true, but I was talking about T levels the reason I mentioned T Levels is ,those compouns are sold and advertised for T boost.

Example: Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is used as T boosting ingredient in T boosters.I bet it will do nothing to your T levels at 600. But, it may give you better sleep, calming effect +++. Is it still worth it ?yes! For only T boosting effect?No!

You are right, T levels is not the only that affect the quality of life. Those "test boosting" ingredients have other benefits like I said. I am not saying T boosters are totaly worthless. But I am.saying they are totaly worthless if your T levels are in normal range and your main goal with T booster is to increase T levels higher.

most supps that fall into the category of test booster are in effect more truthfully performance enhancers.....this being a bodybuilding site t-levels get all the attention, but there are many ingredients such as ksm-66 that have many positive effects outside of boosting t-levels.

I feel good when I take 'test boosters', my mood is improved, I sleep better, appetite is increased, and for me when I feel like a horny old toad I feel more vitality and 'lust for life', lol....

 

[Danes]

most supps that fall into the category of test booster are in effect more truthfully performance enhancers.....this being a bodybuilding site t-levels get all the attention, but there are many ingredients such as ksm-66 that have many positive effects outside of boosting t-levels.

I feel good when I take 'test boosters', my mood is improved, I sleep better, appetite is increased, and for me when I feel like a horny old toad I feel more vitality and 'lust for life', lol....

Thats right my friend

 

[thebigt]

Thats right my friend

the only beef I can see people having with test boosters is the name...if they would put them into the category of performance enhancers maybe people who are critical of them would be less critical-maybe, lol....people do get positives affects/benefits from the products!!!

ok, another category that doesn't really do what it says are FAT BURNERS....if you don't change your diet or exercise, how much fat are you going to burn just by taking the fat burner? but here again we see positive affects such as increased energy/motivation and in some cases a reduction in appetite...why don't fat burners get the same criticism as test boosters?

 

[patrick25]

Mega dose biotest tribex into the second week you'll be walking around with a diamond cutter.

 

[JohnP.]

most supps that fall into the category of test booster are in effect more truthfully performance enhancers.....this being a bodybuilding site t-levels get all the attention, but there are many ingredients such as ksm-66 that have many positive effects outside of boosting t-levels.

I feel good when I take 'test boosters', my mood is improved, I sleep better, appetite is increased, and for me when I feel like a horny old toad I feel more vitality and 'lust for life', lol....

ok, another category that doesn't really do what it says are FAT BURNERS....if you don't change your diet or exercise, how much fat are you going to burn just by taking the fat burner? but here again we see positive affects such as increased energy/motivation and in some cases a reduction in appetite...why don't fat burners get the same criticism as test boosters?[/QUOTE]

2 great posts.

 

[Danes]

the only beef I can see people having with test boosters is the name...if they would put them into the category of performance enhancers maybe people who are critical of them would be less critical-maybe, lol....people do get positives affects/benefits from the products!!!

ok, another category that doesn't really do what it says are FAT BURNERS....if you don't change your diet or exercise, how much fat are you going to burn just by taking the fat burner? but here again we see positive affects such as increased energy/motivation and in some cases a reduction in appetite...why don't fat burners get the same criticism as test boosters?

Fat burners ? Oh.. i will not even start on it..
Fat burner = appetite reduction, stim for energy, ingredients for focus etc. The only fat burner that really did something is ECA/ECY stack.

 

[thebigt]

Fat burners ? Oh.. i will not even start on it..
Fat burner = appetite reduction, stim for energy, ingredients for focus etc. The only fat burner that really did something is ECA/ECY stack.

exactly...if you use ECA/ECY how much fat will you loose if you don't change diet and exercise?...I would be willing to bet that the amount of fat loss would be proportional to the amount of test increase if using a good quality test booster!!!

but just like test boosters, fat burners have their purpose!!!

 

[The_Old_Guy]

this is false...there are many guys who still suffer ed and or low libido even on trt...it is not uncommon to see both testosterone and Viagra prescribed. trt is not a cure all.

I wonder if these guys had the same problem when they were lean, and in there 20's? I guess we'd have to put a number on "many" - but even so, if you don't know, because you've never tried TRT - then why not see if it can fix you with no adverse reactions - before dumping tons of money on questionably effective plants?

I get it in your case, you get Polycythemia, but for the guy who has never even tried...

 

[The_Old_Guy]

...why don't fat burners get the same criticism as test boosters?

Hi Big T, have we met? I crucify "fat burners" all the time. After the Ephedra ban, they became nothing more than legal "uppers". I mean, in 2017 there is nothing better than we had in the 70's with 'Dexatrim TM' and Phenylpropanolamine... hell, PPA worked better The data on increased RMR with all this other garbage is miniscule (if at all, especially in actual human beings, much less trained athletes) compared to E (and Albuterol/Clenbuterol). *Maybe* the 3,5 Diiodo stuff, but A. I'd have to look at the numbers, and B. I don't like messing with Thyroid.

Basically - I agree with what you've said I guess

 

[The_Old_Guy]

exactly...if you use ECA/ECY how much fat will you loose if you don't change diet and exercise?...I would be willing to bet that the amount of fat loss would be proportional to the amount of test increase if using a good quality test booster!!!

but just like test boosters, fat burners have their purpose!!!

The difference is: In order to "screw up EC" (Yohimbine has as many studies ((more actually)) showing it does nothing, as it does the ONE Soccer Player study - if it wasn't dirt cheap in bulk, I'd drop it - Helms just said he doesn't use it with competitors, period.) - *and this includes not exercising at all, as if you just used diet as a weight control and ate at maintenance for your TDEE, you'd still "lose weight" by adding Ephedrine* - you'd have to eat 5-15% above current TDEE (I forget what the exact averaged RMR increase from all the studies was).

But if you did nothing but eat at maintenance - Ephedrine would drop weight on you. There are numerous human trials with a high scientific consensus.

Comparing one heavily studied and proven Beta Agonist, to a barely studied (and what there is, is mostly in rodents) "T Booster" , where anecdote is highly susceptible to placebo:

(especially in light of the latest placebo study

https://www.google.com/#q=Hurst,+Philip;+Foad,+Abby;+Coleman,+Damian;+Beedie,+Chris.+"Athletes+Intending+to+Use+Sports+Supplements+Are+More+Likely+to+Respond+to+a+Placebo."+ )

Isn't apples to apples IMO, but I know may will disagree

 

[DUbz86]

The difference is: In order to "screw up EC" (Yohimbine has as many studies ((more actually)) showing it does nothing, as it does the ONE Soccer Player study - if it wasn't dirt cheap in bulk, I'd drop it - Helms just said he doesn't use it with competitors, period.) - *and this includes not exercising at all, as if you just used diet as a weight control and ate at maintenance for your TDEE, you'd still "lose weight" by adding Ephedrine* - you'd have to eat 5-15% above current TDEE (I forget what the exact averaged RMR increase from all the studies was).

But if you did nothing but eat at maintenance - Ephedrine would drop weight on you. There are numerous human trials with a high scientific consensus.

Comparing one heavily studied and proven Beta Agonist, to a barely studied (and what there is, is mostly in rodents) "T Booster" , where anecdote is highly susceptible to placebo:

(especially in light of the latest placebo study

https://www.google.com/#q=Hurst,+Philip;+Foad,+Abby;+Coleman,+Damian;+Beedie,+Chris.+"Athletes+Intending+to+Use+Sports+Supplements+Are+More+Likely+to+Respond+to+a+Placebo."+ )

Isn't apples to apples IMO, but I know may will disagree

Yeah an EC or eca stack works well but definitely need to start low and access tolerance. Also don't run too long. A good thermogenic supp with right diet and cardio is good too. I like bcaas and dmaa for in between pick me up when I get hungry after lunch.

 

[Danes]

Hi Big T, have we met? I crucify "fat burners" all the time. After the Ephedra ban, they became nothing more than legal "uppers". I mean, in 2017 there is nothing better than we had in the 70's with 'Dexatrim TM' and Phenylpropanolamine... hell, PPA worked better The data on increased RMR with all this other garbage is miniscule (if at all, especially in actual human beings, much less trained athletes) compared to E (and Albuterol/Clenbuterol). *Maybe* the 3,5 Diiodo stuff, but A. I'd have to look at the numbers, and B. I don't like messing with Thyroid.

Basically - I agree with what you've said I guess

I think we all can agree most of supplements are waste of money and we can not avoid the effect of placebo
Even those ingredients that may work or have potential, supplement companies are good at using cheap raws, underdosing ++. That means it will do nothing due to lack of main actives, low doses etc.


I have done many "experiments" on my friends. Giving them different vitamin capsules while saying its pump product, energy/focus boosting etc. Some reported elevated energy/focus after just 10min. And some reported best muscle fullness/pump they ever had

 

[vujade]

Hi Big T, have we met? I crucify "fat burners" all the time. After the Ephedra ban,
they became nothing more than legal "uppers". I mean, in 2017 there is nothing better than we had in the 70's with
'Dexatrim TM' and Phenylpropanolamine... hell, PPA worked better The data on increased RMR
with all this other garbage is miniscule (if at all, especially in actual human beings, much less trained athletes)
compared to E (and Albuterol/Clenbuterol). *Maybe* the 3,5 Diiodo stuff, but A. I'd have to look at the numbers,
and B. I don't like messing with Thyroid.

Basically - I agree with what you've said I guess

I used to love to stack Ephedrine and PPA together. I actually used to buy this pre capped,
in black capsules. We used to call it the Black Ephedrine

Way more appetite suppression then ephedrine alone, plus is was slightly euphoric together.

 

[jameschoi]

I used to love to stack Ephedrine and PPA together. I actually used to buy this pre capped,
in black capsules. We used to call it the Black Ephedrine

Way more appetite suppression then ephedrine alone, plus is was slightly euphoric together.

Can you buy Ephedrine and PPA?

 

[vujade]

Can you buy Ephedrine and PPA?

I haven't seen those 2 together in about 18 to 20 year..! :sad6:

PPA has been banned by the FDA

 

[Danes]

I haven't seen those 2 together in about 18 to 20 year..! :sad6:

PPA has been banned by the FDA

Still legal in norway as Prescription drug

It is used for mucosal (respiratory infections and in allergic conditions). In addition, it can be used in the treatment of urinary incontinence in women

 

[vujade]

Still legal in norway as Prescription drug

It is used for mucosal (respiratory infections and in allergic conditions). In addition, it can be used in the treatment of urinary incontinence in women

I believe it is still a prescription drug here as well, but only for Dogs

 

[Danes]

I believe it is still a prescription drug here as well, but only for Dogs

Sounds like a medicine for me

 

[thebigt]

Sounds like a medicine for me

woof...woof

 

[thebigt]

The difference is: In order to "screw up EC" (Yohimbine has as many studies ((more actually)) showing it does nothing, as it does the ONE Soccer Player study - if it wasn't dirt cheap in bulk, I'd drop it - Helms just said he doesn't use it with competitors, period.) - *and this includes not exercising at all, as if you just used diet as a weight control and ate at maintenance for your TDEE, you'd still "lose weight" by adding Ephedrine* - you'd have to eat 5-15% above current TDEE (I forget what the exact averaged RMR increase from all the studies was).

But if you did nothing but eat at maintenance - Ephedrine would drop weight on you. There are numerous human trials with a high scientific consensus.

Comparing one heavily studied and proven Beta Agonist, to a barely studied (and what there is, is mostly in rodents) "T Booster" , where anecdote is highly susceptible to placebo:

(especially in light of the latest placebo study

https://www.google.com/#q=Hurst,+Philip;+Foad,+Abby;+Coleman,+Damian;+Beedie,+Chris.+"Athletes+Intending+to+Use+Sports+Supplements+Are+More+Likely+to+Respond+to+a+Placebo."+ )

Isn't apples to apples IMO, but I know may will disagree

again...the weight you would drop using ephedra with no change in diet or exercise would be comparable to the 100-200 points a good test booster would give---correct?

 

[Danes]

woof...woof

Im a baaad dog

 

[Danes]

again...the weight you would drop using ephedra with no change in diet or exercise would be comparable to the 100-200 points a good test booster would give---correct?

Honestly, I have seen pretty good results on my friends using ECA stack while eating same amount of food (maintenance). Nice recomp.effect.
ECA is really effective and no wonder why Ephedrine is banned

 

[jameschoi]

Honestly, I have seen pretty good results on my friends using ECA stack while eating same amount of food (maintenance). ECA is really effective and no wonder why why Ephedrine is banned

Where do you get this ECA stack.

 

[Danes]

Where do you get this ECA stack.

Ephedrine is banned but ephedra is not. (When ephedrine alkaloids are removed).
But its like eating meat where protein is removed.
I guess you can still find Ephedrine in Europe

 

[thebigt]

Honestly, I have seen pretty good results on my friends using ECA stack while eating same amount of food (maintenance). Nice recomp.effect.
ECA is really effective and no wonder why Ephedrine is banned

on the same note---I have seen pretty good results from test boosters.....

your friends could be the exception, I think the biggest benefit of ephedra is appetite suppression-imo, most of the results come from controlling diet.
but you are right, the ephedrine we used to get was far superior to the bronkaid/Primatene we use today[ephedra]

 

[Danes]

on the same note---I have seen pretty good results from test boosters.....

your friends could be the exception, I think the biggest benefit of ephedra is appetite suppression-imo, most of the results come from controlling diet.
but you are right, the ephedrine we used to get was far superior to the bronkaid/Primatene we use today[ephedra]

Oh my friend. Ephedra found in supps nowadays = crap and will have no fat burning effects because ephedrine alkaloids are removed so it can legaly be used in supplements.

 

[thebigt]

Ephedrine is banned but ephedra is not. (When ephedrine alkaloids are removed).
But its like eating meat where protein is removed.
I guess you can still find Ephedrine in Europe

sorry, I am scatter brained today...yes, I agree ephedrine was on a much higher lever than ephedra!!!

 

[thebigt]

Oh my friend. Ephedra found in supps nowadays = crap and will have no fat burning effects because ephedrine alkaloids are removed so it can legaly be used in supplements.

the ephedra I was/am referring to is bronkaid/Primatene...not the bunk found in supps!!!

what we have here is a failure to communicate, lol.

 

[jameschoi]

the ephedra I was/am referring to is bronkaid/Primatene...not the bunk found in supps!!!

what we have here is a failure to communicate, lol.

How much bronkaid or primatene do you take prior to workout.

 

[Danes]

the ephedra I was/am referring to is bronkaid/Primatene...not the bunk found in supps!!!

what we have here is a failure to communicate, lol.

Oh yes sorry
Anyway, ephedra has some % of Ephedrine Alkaloids. Thats why Pure Ephedrine would be better choice.

I thought primatene contain ephedrine HCL ?

 

[jameschoi]

Oh yes sorry
Anyway, ephedra has some % of Ephedrine Alkaloids. Thats why Pure Ephedrine would be better choice.

I thought primatene contain ephedrine HCL ?

This is from 2012
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/otc-drug/190231-truth-behind-primatene.html

 

[Danes]

This is from 2012
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/otc-drug/190231-truth-behind-primatene.html

"Each Bronkaid pill has 25mg of ephedrine sulfate, but in reality only a little under 16mg of that is pure ephedrine. Each Primatene pill contains 12.5mg of ephedrine HCl (which means you need 2 pills to reach the "25mg" standard) but in reality this pill is only a little over 10mg of pure ephedrine."

Good info

 

[The_Old_Guy]

again...the weight you would drop using ephedra with no change in diet or exercise would be comparable to the 100-200 points a good test booster would give---correct?

Again, I personally (based on what I can remember) don't think so. But I don't care enough to invest the time it would take to see. You certainly could be correct, I can be as wrong as the next guy. You can look up all the RCT (randomized, controlled trials) in people, that were fed "ad libitum" - and see what happened (luckily 99.9% of the research will be with obese people who do nothing). Then look up all the human RCT's on "Test Boosters" and see what just taking them does (good luck finding these though, LOL). Look up studies by Shalender Bhasin to see what an increase of 100-200 points may do (daily, diurnal fluctuations can be in the 100 point range).

While Methamphetamine isn't Ephedrine HCL, it's based on it - and Meth Addicts do nothing and get pretty skinny (this is a joke)

 

[rtmilburn]

Again, I personally (based on what I can remember) don't think so. But I don't care enough to invest the time it would take to see. You certainly could be correct, I can be as wrong as the next guy. You can look up all the RCT (randomized, controlled trials) in people, that were fed "ad libitum" - and see what happened (luckily 99.9% of the research will be with obese people who do nothing). Then look up all the human RCT's on "Test Boosters" and see what just taking them does (good luck finding these though, LOL). Look up studies by Shalender Bhasin to see what an increase of 100-200 points may do (daily, diurnal fluctuations can be in the 100 point range).

While Methamphetamine isn't Ephedrine HCL, it's based on it - and Meth Addicts do nothing and get pretty skinny (this is a joke)

I know it was a joke but I highly doubt street methamphetamines are HCl based. Desoxyn is and it is the cleanest most pure stimulant I've ever tried. I got my doc to give me 5 day script of 5mg a day as test run to see how I felt. He discontinued​ giving it to me as he "didn't feel comfortable do so, and did want to risk his medical license". The feel was different hard to describe but I honestly find less recreational value is desoxyn than dexedrine. And street meth doesn't equal methamphetamine. A chemically​ similar analog yes but not. Actual methamphetamines