Transdermal Formestane vs Erase pro

[mw1]

Bloodwork is the proof....
I know where you come from you base things on what some dude says on the internet.
In the real world we use science and bloodwork results.

Try to keep up.

WHERE is the bloodwork??? You have shown NO before /after labs.......and im not talking about some BS internet print out

Show it or STFU with your BS claims. Its impossible and you know it

 

[brundel]

Once again.....fantastic contribution.

 

[McCrew530]

just read up this entire thread and will stay subed

 

[kisaj]

I am on TRT and will vouch for Formeron as a powerful AI. Go a little over and it is incredibly apparent that you took too much with low energy, creaky joints, and a vicious temper. Keep it in recommended doses and you'll see a drier look, increased mood, and more energy.

That being said, I love Erase OG. For straight dryness and a cut look, I have yet to find anything that compares. It didn't help much with e2 control on TRT, though. That is fine because I have my protocol dialed in to not need one, so I just use Formeron to stay cut up and on the occasions I go out and have some drinks, it is nice to control the estrogen sides.

 

[Geoforce]

Haven't had a chance to give Formasurge a go, have a bottle I'm saving for next month but I can also vouch for Formeron. It's expensive, but imo one of the best supplements on the market. I'm not sure I've seen a single negative review or feedback on it either.

Haven't used anything else they offer, but Formeron is top notch stuff.

 

[brundel]

Thanks guys.

As promised....I will leak a little info. We have been in testing with the product for over a year.
We run bloodwork....tinker..run more...alter..remove...add something new....the goal to make something that stands up to an average range when blood tested.
We are getting close. I cant tell you anything about ingredients but I can show you my personal recent bloodwork.

My pre bloods had my total Test at 300 and my free test at 7...yes 7.

Here is after 6 weeks on product X

 

[brundel]

Just an FYI.....my free test was 505 when I was on 1500mg cyp per week....
So while the total T is high its the GIANT freet T level than = muscle growth....Im looking pretty beastly currently and have gained some serious muscle over the last month. You should see my lat spread......comparable to when used to run multi gram AAS cycles.
Not bad for OTC and NO steroids.
1 cap AM only

 

[McCrew530]

Just an FYI.....my free test was 505 when I was on 1500mg cyp per week....
So while the total T is high its the GIANT freet T level than = muscle growth....Im looking pretty beastly currently and have gained some serious muscle over the last month. You should see my lat spread......comparable to when used to run multi gram AAS cycles.
Not bad for OTC and NO steroids.
1 cap AM only

 

[kisaj]

Looks awesome, but it is going to be hard to take 1 cap containing 500mg of powdered test cyp and 1g of Divanil. I don't know how you are doing it!

 

[thebigt]

Thanks guys.

As promised....I will leak a little info. We have been in testing with the product for over a year.
We run bloodwork....tinker..run more...alter..remove...add something new....the goal to make something that stands up to an average range when blood tested.
We are getting close. I cant tell you anything about ingredients but I can show you my personal recent bloodwork.

My pre bloods had my total Test at 300 and my free test at 7...yes 7.

Here is after 6 weeks on product X

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looks good...i am losing my insurance at the end of the month, and it's got to be cheaper than $500 a box for androgel!!!

 

[brundel]

500$ for androgel? Wtf are you serious?.
Even with no insurance 10ml test cyp from the pharmacy is about 150$
With insurance its 22$!!!!

But yes this will be cheaper by a long shot. Also understand that this is my bloodwork. Ive been on hrt for 6-7 years....my hpta is off. So this will be a viable option.

 

[thebigt]

500$ for androgel? Wtf are you serious?.
Even with no insurance 10ml test cyp from the pharmacy is about 150$
With insurance its 22$!!!!

But yes this will be cheaper by a long shot. Also understand that this is my bloodwork. Ive been on hrt for 6-7 years....my hpta is off. So this will be a viable option.

androgel is significantly more expensive than the 10ml 200mg vials i was using before...this is why healthcare is in the shape it's in, because i was not paying for it and co-pay was the same i had no problem with it. now that i will be paying out of pocket i hope my doc will write me a 6 month test cyp script so i can be covered until i get things figured out.

btw-this is my 6th year on trt.

 

[bean5er]

liver values skyrocketed...recovering alcoholic!!! 15 years sobriety...

many years of hardcore drinking put a hurting on my liver, i take a liver aid year round...i really am not sure why i had a flare up, my liver values were a little on the high side when my doc put me on trt but my total test was so low we took a chance. up until that point liver values had remained within acceptable range!!! as of my last blood test liver values were as low as they have been in a very long time. i feel very blessed to have made 15 years sober....i can't explain why i have succeeded where many have failed, but i truely believe it is a blessing!!!

Congrats on 15 years buddy that's awesome! Are you just taking TUDCA year round or using something else?

 

[thebigt]

Congrats on 15 years buddy that's awesome! Are you just taking TUDCA year round or using something else?

tudca and a milk thistle/nac/ala/trimethylglycine/dandelion product called liv-a-new.

thanks...very proud of my sobriety!!!

 

[horizons]

Formeron is the only AI where I got anabolic/androgenic effects similar to a mild PH

It's super strong and even though erase/erase pro is a great product formeron blows it out the water in so many aspects

 

[Piston Honda]

Formeron smells great too. I guess you can tell your woman that you're applying a "manly lotion," and that she shouldn't touch you for a few minutes. I might megadose some Formeron one of these days.

 

[kisaj]

The smell is a huge factor for me. Plus, how quickly it dries. I put it all over my stomach and it is dry in 10 seconds and smells really clean. For me it is total win. I just wish you didn't have to pay so much for the good stuff. haha

 

[brundel]

Formeron is the only AI where I got anabolic/androgenic effects similar to a mild PH

It's super strong and even though erase/erase pro is a great product formeron blows it out the water in so many aspects

Thank for the good words. Its true though...Formeron is the ONLY anabolic AI.

 

[brundel]

Formeron smells great too. I guess you can tell your woman that you're applying a "manly lotion," and that she shouldn't touch you for a few minutes. I might megadose some Formeron one of these days.

Lol "manly lotion"....

When I was trying to figure out what to call FOrmeron someone suggested "awesome sauce".....So glad we went with Formeron lol.

 

[brundel]

The smell is a huge factor for me. Plus, how quickly it dries. I put it all over my stomach and it is dry in 10 seconds and smells really clean. For me it is total win. I just wish you didn't have to pay so much for the good stuff. haha

Formeron is a little pricey, however, you do get what you pay for.
Formestane is pretty expensive to start with and the carrier isnt cheap and we use the nice shiny bottles etc etc.
We did our best to make sure it was as good as we could possibly make it.

Youll never have to worry about irritation from the carrier which you DO have to worry about with alot of transdermal products.

 

[brundel]

tudca and a milk thistle/nac/ala/trimethylglycine/dandelion product called liv-a-new.

thanks...very proud of my sobriety!!!

Yah Ive been in recovery for a long time as well and also have been on HRT for a long time....I do think one helps with the other.
When my T levels are high I feel great..when low Im depressed.

 

[thebigt]

Yah Ive been in recovery for a long time as well and also have been on HRT for a long time....I do think one helps with the other.
When my T levels are high I feel great..when low Im depressed.

100% agreed!!!!

 

[JD261985]

Thanks guys.

As promised....I will leak a little info. We have been in testing with the product for over a year.
We run bloodwork....tinker..run more...alter..remove...add something new....the goal to make something that stands up to an average range when blood tested.
We are getting close. I cant tell you anything about ingredients but I can show you my personal recent bloodwork.

My pre bloods had my total Test at 300 and my free test at 7...yes 7.

Here is after 6 weeks on product X

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Quoting you so I can see the pic lol. I have the AM phone app

 

[brundel]

Pretty sick results right. My free test is so high i have trouble sleeping because of the ever present kick stand.

 

[thebigt]

Pretty sick results right. My free test is so high i have trouble sleeping because of the ever present kick stand.

be interesting if you have a memory foam mattress, lol.

 

[jwa254]

be interesting if you have a memory foam mattress, lol.

ZINGER!

 

[Docmattic]

Just an FYI.....my free test was 505 when I was on 1500mg cyp per week....
So while the total T is high its the GIANT freet T level than = muscle growth....Im looking pretty beastly currently and have gained some serious muscle over the last month. You should see my lat spread......comparable to when used to run multi gram AAS cycles.
Not bad for OTC and NO steroids.
1 cap AM only

I'm dying to hear more about this. Is it anywhere near close to release or will it still be a long way off?

 

[McCrew530]

I'm dying to hear more about this. Is it anywhere near close to release or will it still be a long way off?

Solid bump man I was trying to remember what thread this "new product" was mentioned in!

 

[brundel]

I'm dying to hear more about this. Is it anywhere near close to release or will it still be a long way off?

Actually we are pretty close.
For all products where it is applicable we run blood work to validate our expectations.
In this case we have already ran Pre blood work on several guys and have the results.
Today I am sending off the test batches to the test subjects. They will run for 3-4 weeks Im thinking. Then we retest them.
My blood work pre was roughly
total t 250
Free t 7.....yes 7 and now its over 600 lol.

Ill let you guys know soon enough if I was an anomaly or if this is the average.

THe only other things I was taking was Incinderine, our fat burner and some vitamins.
The improvement in my physique is very noticeable. Keep in mind I have been on HRT for almost a decade...so..
I thought the old boys were dead. Apparently not.

 

[kisaj]

Here son, these are the keys to my Porsche....but, you need to wait until you are 21 to drive it. Waiting sucks.

 

[brundel]

Lol..trust me I know.

 

[Docmattic]

Actually we are pretty close.
For all products where it is applicable we run blood work to validate our expectations.
In this case we have already ran Pre blood work on several guys and have the results.
Today I am sending off the test batches to the test subjects. They will run for 3-4 weeks Im thinking. Then we retest them.
My blood work pre was roughly
total t 250
Free t 7.....yes 7 and now its over 600 lol.

Ill let you guys know soon enough if I was an anomaly or if this is the average.

THe only other things I was taking was Incinderine, our fat burner and some vitamins.
The improvement in my physique is very noticeable. Keep in mind I have been on HRT for almost a decade...so..
I thought the old boys were dead. Apparently not.

Did you mean total t 2500? or 250?
And also, being non-steriodal, does this mean it could be used standalone without the need for PCT (if it works the same on everyone as it did for yourself)?

 

[brundel]

Did you mean total t 2500? or 250?
And also, being non-steriodal, does this mean it could be used standalone without the need for PCT (if it works the same on everyone as it did for yourself)?

No total t 250ng/dl. After use it went up to 1900 roughly.
And again free T went from 7 - 609. The ref range for free t is up to 140 I think (have to check) so 600 is VERY high.
Total T isnt really super important if FREE T is elevated. Free is whats available to bind to androgen receptors.

When I was on 1500mg cyp a week and assorted other anabolics my free T was about 500-600 so....its huge.

There is 1 single component responsible for this increase. Its super cheap. OTC. and nobody really utilizes it because nobody thinks it works.....
guess what...it works. The Total T increase is from a separate component which is also widely known.
We are basically covering all the bases ans it seems to be working well.
Again its too soon to close the door on our research though. We need more bloodwork to be run. I sent the samples out today to our test subjects so...
Perhaps a month or so we will know if this is normal or abnormal.
Either way...I know 1 thing for sure. It will work for everyone to some degree and the Free T increase has been repeated in bloodwork on a bunch of guys now so...this part is solid.

No need for PCT
can be used for PCT
can be used for HRT
can be used on cycle for test base.

So far no side effects. We are managing them well.

 

[JD261985]

No total t 250ng/dl. After use it went up to 1900 roughly.
And again free T went from 7 - 609. The ref range for free t is up to 140 I think (have to check) so 600 is VERY high.
Total T isnt really super important if FREE T is elevated. Free is whats available to bind to androgen receptors.

When I was on 1500mg cyp a week and assorted other anabolics my free T was about 500-600 so....its huge.

There is 1 single component responsible for this increase. Its super cheap. OTC. and nobody really utilizes it because nobody thinks it works.....
guess what...it works. The Total T increase is from a separate component which is also widely known.
We are basically covering all the bases ans it seems to be working well.
Again its too soon to close the door on our research though. We need more bloodwork to be run. I sent the samples out today to our test subjects so...
Perhaps a month or so we will know if this is normal or abnormal.
Either way...I know 1 thing for sure. It will work for everyone to some degree and the Free T increase has been repeated in bloodwork on a bunch of guys now so...this part is solid.

No need for PCT
can be used for PCT
can be used for HRT
can be used on cycle for test base.

So far no side effects. We are managing them well.

Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?

 

[mw1]

Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?

No otc is going to replace serms except for mild cycles - just like no otc test booster is is going to raise test 500 or 600% either

 

[kisaj]

No more talk about this, imo. I know BLR is legit based on how well Formeron works, but until we are ready for release or the testing has all been verified as accurate and not anomalies, then no point in leaking little pieces of information.

 

[brundel]

Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?

Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

Period.

The question isnt does it work. Its how well and we are running extensive bloodwork to achieve an average.
This way when I say its gonna do XXXXX I will know for certain it will.

SERMS are all good and well but SERMS are NOT designed to be used as fertility drugs. They are cancer medications and carry their own negative side effects.
Sure, Clomid raises test levels in most men. This doesnt mean its the only solution .... we know it certainly is not.
From my own experience an AI for example, by itself elevates my T levels more than a SERM and increases Free t by several times more.

The new product is not an AI. The point is SERMS are not the holy grail of T boosters....by any far stretch of the imagination.

Soon.....

One of our testers is a well known member of this forum and Ill allow him to post his results when they come in...good or bad.

 

[brundel]

No more talk about this, imo. I know BLR is legit based on how well Formeron works, but until we are ready for release or the testing has all been verified as accurate and not anomalies, then no point in leaking little pieces of information.

Suspense has its part in things

 

[McCrew530]

Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

Period.

You had me up unitl that last statement now you are sounding like the back of a muscletech bottle. Now…

 

[flightposite]

Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

Period.

The question isnt does it work. Its how well and we are running extensive bloodwork to achieve an average.
This way when I say its gonna do XXXXX I will know for certain it will.

SERMS are all good and well but SERMS are NOT designed to be used as fertility drugs. They are cancer medications and carry their own negative side effects.
Sure, Clomid raises test levels in most men. This doesnt mean its the only solution .... we know it certainly is not.
From my own experience an AI for example, by itself elevates my T levels more than a SERM and increases Free t by several times more.

The new product is not an AI. The point is SERMS are not the holy grail of T boosters....by any far stretch of the imagination.

Soon.....

One of our testers is a well known member of this forum and Ill allow him to post his results when they come in...good or bad.

Looking forward to to this brundel.

 

[kisaj]

You had me up unitl that last statement now you are sounding like the back of a muscletech bottle. Now…
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Formeron has bought a lot of credibility, so I am holding out judgement.

 

[Godstrength]

Suspense has its part in things

Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol like ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+

 

[McCrew530]

Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+

Did CL's Dbol not react well? Man that was one I almost ordered.

 

[McCrew530]

Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+

Did CL's Dbol not react well? Man that was one I almost ordered.

 

[Godstrength]

What I saw was like 7-8 lbs in 4 weeks..... Not that impressive

 

[McCrew530]

What I saw was like 7-8 lbs in 4 weeks..... Not that impressive

Looking at the logs it didnt seem to have many sides though...

 

[Godstrength]

Yeah did you find it.... I was looking but couldn't pinpoint where I saw it. Low sides, and mentioned running it at a higher dose might produce better gains.... Still, not what it was hyped up as and certainly not compare able to real dbol

 

[McCrew530]

Yeah did you find it.... I was looking but couldn't pinpoint where I saw it. Low sides, and mentioned running it at a higher dose might produce better gains.... Still, not what it was hyped up as and certainly not compare able to real dbol

There were a couple of mentions of it on another forum the involved PH's man i miss the old stuff! but what I really wish is if could just get my hands on some test again!

 

[Godstrength]

That is the best way to go.... It's not that hard to find, then again I lived in the same place for 30 years and kinda know where to look. Just gotta be careful, there's a lot of garbage out there

 

[kisaj]

7-8 lbs in 4 weeks isn't good now? Lol.