Transdermal Formestane vs Erase pro

[thebigt]

Dinoii actually agrees and has posted this before. Unless of course he changed his position on the matter

And for the record, I did not claim one product was superior to the other nor did I claim oral was superior than transdermal. What I did do was quote mrcooper and ask him wasnt there research that showed formestane being effective orally. Turns out there was and I posted it above.

f a bunch of research...i have actually used oral formestane, and it doesn't even come close. as for 250mg being an effective oral dose, all i can say is science once thought the earth was flat.

real world right here!!!

geez...you guys and your research and studies are like a weatherman who never goes outside!!!

 

[mw1]

Dinoii actually agrees and has posted this before. Unless of course he changed his position on the matter

And for the record, I did not claim one product was superior to the other nor did I claim oral was superior than transdermal. What I did do was quote mrcooper and ask him wasnt there research that showed formestane being effective orally. Turns out there was and I posted it above.

The price for an effective dose of oral form vs price for effective dose of topical form is not even close.

 

[mw1]

Lol... referencing that scam artist.

Scam artist ? In what way?

 

[thebigt]

The price for an effective dose of oral form vs price for effective dose of topical form is not even close.

and anyone who thinks 250mg of oral form is an effective dose....lol, that is so funny i can't even finish the sentence.



research and studies, lolololololololol....the earth really is round!!!!

 

[horizons]

are you saying that oral formestane absorbs at a much higher rate than transdermal.......dude!!!!


:hitwithrock:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=116368161

I don't know how legit this is but it's what I've read. Not to say its true!

 

[mw1]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=116368161

I don't know how legit this is but it's what I've read. Not to say its true!

I opened the link and saw Ross as the OP...no need to read any further

 

[celc5]

 

[horizons]

Hahaha

 

[swole210]

It was a long time ago...but wasn't it Molecular Sports Nutrition who had an oral formastane product? In any case, I have taken both oral and transdermal formastane products. The transdermals have worked well, but are always a pain in the butt (except for Fomeron as it dries VERY fast). The orals never worked well...EXCEPT for the Molecular Sports Nutrition product!! That stuff was AWESOME! Got me super dry, lean, vascular, and gave a nice libido boost. The physique changes with that stuff were awesome for me! Transdermal formastane is great though! On the flip side, I will not take anything away from Erase/Erase Pro, as they are VERY effective!!! Only thing with them is the sides for me...dry joints, and decreased libido. But these sides have not stopped me from continuing to use them, as they are very effective in regards to what they are meant to do for the most part!

 

[horizons]

It was a long time ago...but wasn't it Molecular Sports Nutrition who had an oral formastane product? In any case, I have taken both oral and transdermal formastane products. The transdermals have worked well, but are always a pain in the butt (except for Fomeron as it dries VERY fast). The orals never worked well...EXCEPT for the Molecular Sports Nutrition product!! That stuff was AWESOME! Got me super dry, lean, vascular, and gave a nice libido boost. The physique changes with that stuff were awesome for me! Transdermal formastane is great though! On the flip side, I will not take anything away from Erase/Erase Pro, as they are VERY effective!!! Only thing with them is the sides for me...dry joints, and decreased libido. But these sides have not stopped me from continuing to use them, as they are very effective in regards to what they are meant to do for the most part!

Formeron has increased libido and erase pro can decrease it
Interesting!

 

[thebigt]

It was a long time ago...but wasn't it Molecular Sports Nutrition who had an oral formastane product? In any case, I have taken both oral and transdermal formastane products. The transdermals have worked well, but are always a pain in the butt (except for Fomeron as it dries VERY fast). The orals never worked well...EXCEPT for the Molecular Sports Nutrition product!! That stuff was AWESOME! Got me super dry, lean, vascular, and gave a nice libido boost. The physique changes with that stuff were awesome for me! Transdermal formastane is great though! On the flip side, I will not take anything away from Erase/Erase Pro, as they are VERY effective!!! Only thing with them is the sides for me...dry joints, and decreased libido. But these sides have not stopped me from continuing to use them, as they are very effective in regards to what they are meant to do for the most part!

you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.

 

[Piston Honda]

Ask Brundel about Formestane over in the Black Lion section. You could even search for a spirited Brundel/Cooper exchange if I can recall correctly...I have used Formestane before from Black Lion and found it to be effective. Best carrier for transdermal I've used, way better than CEL's old version.

 

[Piston Honda]

you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.

Yeah, I blinked and it was gone!

 

[flightposite]

you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.

I actually really liked that product. I don't recall it being tainted or spiked with anything though. If I remember correctly it was just that it converted to 4-OHT at a somewhat high rate. But that was along time ago and I don't really remember anymore. But I thought it was a great product.

 

[thebigt]

I actually really liked that product. I don't recall it being tainted or spiked with anything though. If I remember correctly it was just that it converted to 4-OHT at a somewhat high rate. But that was along time ago and I don't really remember anymore. But I thought it was a great product.

no doubt, it was a very popular product....as best as i can remember pa tested it and once results came back it was quickly discontinued. i can't recall exactly what the results were, but it was dc'ed very quickly.....

 

[flightposite]

no doubt, it was a very popular product....as best as i can remember pa tested it and once results came back it was quickly discontinued. i can't recall exactly what the results were, but it was dc'ed very quickly.....

I still have some in my stash. Lol.

 

[thebigt]

I still have some in my stash. Lol.

i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.

 

[flightposite]

i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.

I'm sure your right. My topical form use is limited. I've only ever used cels topical. But it worked well. I noticed different effects from the formex though. Seemed to be more anabolic.

 

[celc5]

e-form

This debate would be over if everyone had experienced eform. Sadly, the debate in this thread will carry on while we chuckle in the background

 

[mw1]

Ask Brundel about Formestane over in the Black Lion section. You could even search for a spirited Brundel/Cooper exchange if I can recall correctly...I have used Formestane before from Black Lion and found it to be effective. Best carrier for transdermal I've used, way better than CEL's old version.

Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt

 

[mw1]

i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.

It was a great product. !

 

[Piston Honda]

Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt

I missed that one

 

[horizons]

Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt

Yeah that statement was BS!

 

[PrepNwa23]

Either way for the OP there is good topicals if you want to use them and have the time they work. If not Erase Pro is a great product also. I've always heard good things of BPS Formasurge so if you go Formestane id look that way. But if you go Erase Pro you won't be upset.

 

[horizons]

Either way for the OP there is good topicals if you want to use them and have the time they work. If not Erase Pro is a great product also. I've always heard good things of BPS Formasurge so if you go Formestane id look that way. But if you go Erase Pro you won't be upset.

Yeah, I am going to get a few bottles of erase pro anyways and a few bottles of formeron because that stuff is highly spoken of

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, I am going to get a few bottles of erase pro anyways and a few bottles of formeron because that stuff is highly spoken of

i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.

 

[horizons]

i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.

Plus spraying it once or twice a day with a good natty stack should really work well

The boost in libido is definitely a bonus for strong AI!

 

[brundel]

Yeah that statement was BS!

I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

Here is the testers original post::

"Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

Here is his bloodwork:

 

[brundel]

Also...Im a busy guy. If and when you have any questions regarding our products or anything about us please post in an existing thread in our forum..Ill put up a Q and A thread now. Or feel free to PM me. I just dont have the time to police every slanderous statement made on this forum.

 

[horizons]

Also...Im a busy guy. If and when you have any questions regarding our products or anything about us please post in an existing thread in our forum..Ill put up a Q and A thread now. Or feel free to PM me. I just dont have the time to police every slanderous statement made on this forum.

I agree man!

I was sceptical until I tried it myself

It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop

 

[brundel]

I agree man!

I was sceptical until I tried it myself

It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop

Glad you decided to try it!
Im the same way....I have naturally low aromatase. I LOVE higher dose Formeron but I cant go over 2 pumps daily without alot of test on board.

 

[mw1]

I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

Here is the testers original post::

"Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

Here is his bloodwork:

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That's your proof???? LOL
Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!

 

[mr.cooper69]

That's your proof???? LOL
Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!

Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.

 

[manstr]

Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.

Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.

If the low free T is secondary to estrogen suppressing your HPTA, then yes, they'd benefit you. And that's actually what you should notice...low T corresponds to high visceral adipose tissue (midsection fat).

 

[brundel]

That's your proof???? LOL
Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!

Obviously in this case it did.

 

[brundel]

Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.

In a healthy male perhaps this applies. With someone with a severely impaired HPTA there is more room for improvement.

In addition...this is not the only guy I am aware of and have seen bloodwork from who has had this experience using an AI (Formeron) only to repair HPTA.
THis is another reason why I dont understand Drs recommending Clomid and HCG therapy without concurrent administration of an AI.
Once therapy stops and estro is elevated test will plummet again. Doesnt make any sense and this seems to be the current widespread PCT protocol parroted throughout internet forums.

 

[brundel]

Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.

Yes. In your case you would expect to see a greater increase in total and free test than someone with a healthy HPTA.
There is potential for an increase into the upper ranges of normal with Total T and above with regards to Free T.
The other thing is what exactly are you expecting from arimistane? Its not anabolic so the effects you are mentioning sound about right.

Formeron IS anabolic as it is also a mild PH so there is some potential for muscle tissue growth expecially at higher doses.

 

[thebigt]

Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.

i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.

 

[RipdnTxs]

Why were U taken off injections ?? Off topic, I know just curious....

i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.

 

[thebigt]

Why were U taken off injections ?? Off topic, I know just curious....

liver values skyrocketed...recovering alcoholic!!! 15 years sobriety...

 

[brundel]

liver values skyrocketed...recovering alcoholic!!! 15 years sobriety...

Congrats on the 15 years!! this is huge.
Im surprised your liver values skyrocketed though. Do you have Hep-c or a pre existing liver issue?
If this is too personal feel free to ignore
Not trying to pry just genuinely interested.

 

[brundel]

i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.

Also....soon you will have other options for HRT.
Ill tell you more soon

 

[JD261985]

Also....soon you will have other options for HRT.
Ill tell you more soon

In for any good news

 

[mw1]

In a healthy male perhaps this applies. With someone with a severely impaired HPTA there is more room for improvement.

Still there is no way you will see a 700% increase even if someone is severely impaired. ..not going to happen

 

[brundel]

Still there is no way you will see a 700% increase even if someone is severely impaired. ..not going to happen

Good contribution.

 

[brundel]

In for any good news

Give me a min and Ill dig up this weeks bloodwork on me for a current project. Its pretty impressive.

 

[thebigt]

Congrats on the 15 years!! this is huge.
Im surprised your liver values skyrocketed though. Do you have Hep-c or a pre existing liver issue?
If this is too personal feel free to ignore
Not trying to pry just genuinely interested.

many years of hardcore drinking put a hurting on my liver, i take a liver aid year round...i really am not sure why i had a flare up, my liver values were a little on the high side when my doc put me on trt but my total test was so low we took a chance. up until that point liver values had remained within acceptable range!!! as of my last blood test liver values were as low as they have been in a very long time.

i feel very blessed to have made 15 years sober....i can't explain why i have succeeded where many have failed, but i truely believe it is a blessing!!!

 

[mw1]

Good contribution.

Contribute some proof then instead of BS

 

[brundel]

Bloodwork is the proof....
I know where you come from you base things on what some dude says on the internet.
In the real world we use science and bloodwork results.

Try to keep up.