Thoughts on X-gels and Arachidonic acid in general?

[HITFrank]

It is awesome to see arachidonic acid gaining more and more popularity. With this year marking the 10th anniversary of releasing X-Factor it has certainly stood the test of time and has a plethora of scientific validity and positive anecdotal feedback.

I am having a discussion with a couple of friends who state that there isn't any studies om AA conducted on humans showing any improvement in athletic performance.
Is there any?

 

[criticalbench]

Carnitine or baby aspirin (per Coop/Neuron)

Or both like me plus GMS!!

Mike

 

[horizons]

I am having a discussion with a couple of friends who state that there isn't any studies om AA conducted on humans showing any improvement in athletic performance.
Is there any?

http://nutridylan.com/2012/04/24/anabolic-arachidonic-acid-mass-builder-or-massive-waste-of-money-review-4/

But

http://m.ajpcell.physiology.org/content/early/2012/10/15/ajpcell.00038.2012.abstract?related-urls=yes&legid=ajpcell;ajpcell.00038.2012v1

 

[horizons]

Been using agmatine/x gels in my PCT and getting stronger/bigger/leaner. **** is insane! Feel like I am still on cycle

Great feedback!!

 

[horizons]

I'd prefer LCLT for this purpose

What product of LCLT do you guys use?

 

[bakerwil]

What product of LCLT do you guys use?

And if using ALCAR - is 2g too big of a dose?

 

[bolt10]

What product of LCLT do you guys use?

Never used bulk LCLT, it is in TONS of products (probably one of the biggest bandwagon additions to every formula out there, not that it isn't a solid ingredient) so I usually get it in my pre. 99% of the time that means Genomyx Protocol for me.

And if using ALCAR - is 2g too big of a dose?

That is my preferred ALCAR dose unless I play to use it at multiple times per day.

 

[criticalbench]

What product of LCLT do you guys use?

Compete for me! Several forms of carnitine with lclt as well, tastes amazing.

Mike

 

[bolt10]

Compete for me! Several forms of carnitine with lclt as well, tastes amazing.

Mike

Forgot this. I have used Hema+Compete with a run of ArA last year. GVT plus that = insane.

 

[horizons]

I've got anabeta, forskolin -95, intimidate and may be getting erase pro but have nolvadren xt

I could add x gels... Epic stack!

 

[ericool007]

SNS thank you for getting X-gels right this time, IMO ARA is the best supplement out there for imporving body composition. god i wish it was like creatine and i never had to come off of it well that might be a bad example because i dont even take creatine anymore lol

 

[horizons]

SNS thank you for getting X-gels right this time, IMO ARA is the best supplement out there for imporving body composition. god i wish it was like creatine and i never had to come off of it well that might be a bad example because i dont even take creatine anymore lol

Makes me want to buy some!!

 

[HITFrank]

nutridylan.com/2012/04/24/anabolic-arachidonic-acid-mass-builder-or-massive-waste-of-money-review-4/

But

m.ajpcell.physiology.org/content/early/2012/10/15/ajpcell.00038.2012.abstract?related-urls=yes&legid=ajpcell%3bajpcell.00038.2012v1

Hmmmm, that wasn't much..) Thanks!

 

[horizons]

Hmmmm, that wasn't much..) Thanks!

One proves that it doesn't work at all and the other one proves that it's beneficial

 

[doggy_dog]

I have one last question, guys.

How much of an impact does stacking GMS with ArA vs standalone ArA have?
I understand the potential benefits (at a high level) but would the addition of GMS significantly increase the efficacy of ArA?
Are there any people who have run a cycle both ways to notice the difference?

 

[bolt10]

I have one last question, guys.

How much of an impact does stacking GMS with ArA vs standalone ArA have?
I understand the potential benefits (at a high level) but would the addition of GMS significantly increase the efficacy of ArA?
Are there any people who have run a cycle both ways to notice the difference?

I have enjoyed pretty much every time I have ran ArA. When I first used it the proposed dosing was 1 cap 4 times a day with meals (sometimes opting for 2 caps pre-workout). While I still found that effective the addition of the GMS + Carnitine seems to quicken the results for me (pumps, vascularity, and DOMS start sooner).

 

[SwolenONE]

I have enjoyed pretty much every time I have ran ArA. When I first used it the proposed dosing was 1 cap 4 times a day with meals (sometimes opting for 2 caps pre-workout). While I still found that effective the addition of the GMS + Carnitine seems to quicken the results for me (pumps, vascularity, and DOMS start sooner).

Awesome feedback, it seems pretty much everybody (myself included) prefers the Neuron dosing to any other method.

 

[sugardaddy69]

I would run it after, if the cardio part is intense like 3k run pumps themselves could be counterproductive.

 

[Spaniard]

The bit about endurance taking a dive while using ARA, is that common amongst others or specific in your case?

I ask because I'm currently training to increase my cardio endurance for a few police tests I'm going to be taking and I have my X-Gels and am waiting for my LCLT and glycergrow to arrive. I don't want to run them just yet if they are going to affect my cardio endurance.

Can anyone chime in?

Just don't dose it prior to any physical tests... you're not going to fatigue faster. Get that **** outta your head lol

 

[horizons]

Is it just me or is ArA threads popping up everywhere now haha

 

[sugardaddy69]

It also depends on how you react to ara in my case I can do cardio but am much more fatigued and would reccomend against it in competition setting othervise it can be good prior get all the benefits and then be leass sore when the compettition is actually going to happen.

But honestly Police tests are usually nothing physicallt taxing so I would not worry too much. I have been a cop in a different country lol by the physical part was a joke imho

 

[SwolenONE]

Is it just me or is ArA threads popping up everywhere now haha

They are, its a nice change!

ArA was far too slept on by the industry as a whole for a full decade. It's great to see great brands like Axis Labs, Universal, SNS and others all getting behind arachidonic acid!

 

[Spaniard]

They are, its a nice change!

ArA was far too slept on by the industry as a whole for a full decade. It's great to see great brands like Axis Labs, Universal, SNS and others all getting behind arachidonic acid!

Absolutely! Much agreed with you there my man!

 

[horizons]

They are, its a nice change!

ArA was far too slept on by the industry as a whole for a full decade. It's great to see great brands like Axis Labs, Universal, SNS and others all getting behind arachidonic acid!

Agreed!!

Even though I haven't tried it yet

 

[criticalbench]

They are, its a nice change!

ArA was far too slept on by the industry as a whole for a full decade. It's great to see great brands like Axis Labs, Universal, SNS and others all getting behind arachidonic acid!

Universal is, wut where? Serious

 

[sugardaddy69]

Universal is, wut where? Serious

I think it is in miniscule amounts in one of their products.

it is also in animal test but the price is crazy I only do animal PM from their line

 

[SwolenONE]

Universal is, wut where? Serious

For many years now, Animal Test is a loaded product. Probably the best test booster for mass out there imo.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Compete for me! Several forms of carnitine with lclt as well, tastes amazing.

Mike

Same here, either with Compete or just nutraplanet bulk.

 

[fightbackhxc]

For many years now, Animal Test is a loaded product. Probably the best test booster for mass out there imo.

Srsly? Hmm I need to look at it I've always just kind of dismissed it

 

[criticalbench]

For many years now, Animal Test is a loaded product. Probably the best test booster for mass out there imo.

Hmm checking that out now

 

[warbird01]

Srsly? Hmm I need to look at it I've always just kind of dismissed it

Expensive as fark that is why.

 

[horizons]

Expensive as fark that is why.

Not really worth the money IMO

Overlooked for that reason I suppose

 

[schizm]

Worth a try man..GMS is a great addition but definitely not a requirement to see some great gains regardless...

 

[criticalbench]

Worth a try man..GMS is a great addition but definitely not a requirement to see some great gains regardless...

Its a requirement for me gms is just way to awesome IMO.mike

 

[digitalducki]

If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.

 

[SwolenONE]

If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.

4 preWO is the best dosing protocol.

Essentially, the reason why you will see such great results is that going into the cycle your muscles have depleted amounts of arachidonic acid, from your training. Once you have used roughly 50 days worth of usage, most users report their gains continue weeks after their cycle has ended as their muscles are well saturated with arachidonic acid.

There is certainly a point of diminished returns with X-Factor/arachidonic acid regarding both cycle length and dosing.

 

[kbayne]

If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.

People usually dose pre-workout 1-2 grams (4-8 caps). For your first run 4 caps will be good.

Run for 50 days followed by a 50 day break.

 

[horizons]

Stacking it with anabeta would be interesting

 

[digitalducki]

I picked up 3 bottles of prime which I've never tried before so I'm stacking it with that.

 

[bakerwil]

You guys are making me salivate.....sounds like some awesome additions to an ARA run...

 

[kbayne]

I picked up 3 bottles of prime which I've never tried before so I'm stacking it with that.

Have you never ran ArA either? If not, I wouldn't stack both at the same time until you have ran them separately to get a feel for each supplement and how they work for you.

 

[digitalducki]

I don't care which does what honestly, I feel theyll be synergistic

 

[digitalducki]

I just want results.

 

[kbayne]

I just want results.

Everyone is different, but I like to run products solo first. I don't really want to spend money on supplements and not even know if they are working or not when stacking with another product.

 

[digitalducki]

Time is more valuable than money. If one or the other is working, or they're working better together, I'm after results.

 

[antihero]

Time is more valuable than money. If one or the other is working, or they're working better together, I'm after results.

I think his point was that youll get the best idea of results purely related to eavh individual product by running them seperately (and figuring out what works best for you). This is done by minimizing the variables.

 

[digitalducki]

Yeah I get that but, I'd rather just run them both and see what the results are. To each their own.

 

[digitalducki]

No I understand the thesis, I'm just doing what I prefer.

 

[criticalbench]

If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.

My guess would be, chronic inflammation is a no good.

Mike

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Not really worth the money IMO

Overlooked for that reason I suppose

My guess is it's been around for so long everyone dismisses it and focuses more on what just came out.
It is DEFINITELY worth the money in my eyes. ARA is the single best body recomp/anabolic compound out there, I run it as a bridge between cycles.
Anabeta is a very close second.