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Bump for this.Thanks for sharing. Was he using it as PCT?
How about libido?Just fyi im currently using testosterone conversion factor-1 and the testosterone recovery stack as a natty cycle in preperation for Androlean. I will say 3 weeks into the diet and I feel this stack helps with the stress.
Yes, in fact it was the first thing to me that indicated that everything was starting to work. Not to be too graphic, but rigidness, frequency, desire, all increased more and more gradually as time went on. I will mention that im now using TCF-1, two times on the days that I decide to workout (pre-workout) and the strength gain is very noticable as well as slightly better recovery and less doms.How about libido?
Would you say that a serm could be avoided with that stack?Yes, in fact it was the first thing to me that indicated that everything was starting to work. Not to be too graphic, but rigidness, frequency, desire, all increased more and more gradually as time went on. I will mention that im now using TCF-1, two times on the days that I decide to workout (pre-workout) and the strength gain is very noticable as well as slightly better recovery and less doms.
Its not a fantastic jump in difference but enough to take notice and see and feel a decent change. I feel a big increase in libido right after a workout now too, and I havent felt things like that in over 10 years, so that was cool. The last noteworthy change is my sense of well being. I felt great to get back on the diet, doin cardio and then when everything starts kicking in, the extra vitality and feeling of being more in your prime is amazing.
I feel confident in running tcf-1 and the Trs for my pct for future cycles now. I think ill actually start dosing tcf-1 a few day before a cycle would end.
I think it depends on what is run.Would you say that a serm could be avoided with that stack?
I didnt. I just started using tcf-1 and the Trs as a natty stack to prime my body for Androlean. We should be doin this though, getting blood work done just to show how well the trs stack works.just curious, did you guys ever collect bloodwork on the trs stack pre and post pct? kinda like how you guys collected bloodwork during cycle awhile back ago
I would, I used to get blood work frequently, had to change docs and he isn't as keen on it.just curious, did you guys ever collect bloodwork on the trs stack pre and post pct? kinda like how you guys collected bloodwork during cycle awhile back ago
hCG in PCT is not a good ideawhat worked well with me was hcg,nova and clomid
I don't think he ever did follow-up on that. I know there was talk, but tbh, it's going to be tough to compare an OTC supp to an injected LH analogue like HCG.well i was wondering if eric did, like when he collected bloodwork to see if had hcg like potential a few years ago
There is bloodwork somewhere, showing the increases in testosterone after TRS use, I'll have to dig them up from the site or Eric.just thought he might of had a collection of bloodwork, since he does say it's good enough for some cycles. Mostly interested in LV version, not transdermal.
I have to agree here, nothing is going to compare to hCG and it is very easy to source these days.I don't think he ever did follow-up on that. I know there was talk, but tbh, it's going to be tough to compare an OTC supp to an injected LH analogue like HCG.
well aware it doesn't compare to hcg and i think he posted that the bloodwork wasn't promising on cycleI have to agree here, nothing is going to compare to hCG and it is very easy to source these days.
I'll see if he can commentwell aware it doesn't compare to hcg and i think he posted that the bloodwork wasn't promising on cycle
i figure since he says its good enough for some cycles, he may have collected bloodwork like he did for his hcg-like theory. Was hoping he had a collection of bloodwork so I could get an idea of what the average increase was, not from single case. Also, I'm only interested in the results from the LV version, since I'm allergic to the TD and can't use it.
We sponsored a few individuals who reported results like this -well aware it doesn't compare to hcg and i think he posted that the bloodwork wasn't promising on cycle
i figure since he says its good enough for some cycles, he may have collected bloodwork like he did for his hcg-like theory. Was hoping he had a collection of bloodwork so I could get an idea of what the average increase was, not from single case. Also, I'm only interested in the results from the LV version, since I'm allergic to the TD and can't use it.
Send him a PM, he hooks it up wellI answered some of this in the other thread, but no AndroHard is supressive and is not for PCT. The TRS is actually the best OTC PCT out there, a SERM is certainly a must imo with more suppressive cycles, in fact I personally always use one.
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Even TCF-1 can be pretty good as a standalone.The Trs and Tcf-1 makes for a great natty cycle too. Im using it now and finding that out first hand.
I had some done, but I'll have to dig it up, not even sure if I still have it...thanks for posting that bloodwork. Was hoping there would be more bloodwork available since one case doesn't really accurately represent it's effect for a population.
you guys know of any bloodwork anyone did using just the TRS with LV sustain. I believe that case was with the TD sustain.
No issue, neither are suppressive, in fact that is a quite potent natural stack so I say go with it. And that's great to hear your PCT went so well, combo of Torem and the TRS is the best PCT there is imo.Ok pp boys, question for ya... I am 2 weeks removed from my pct from a 13 week test e cycle. 4 week Pct was Toremifene+TRS stack.
For the last 2 weeks I've continued sustain alpha and started DAA powder and was wondering if this is a bad idea. Will the continued use of sustain+DAA delay my own natural test levels from bouncing back...
I feel fantastic and only felt down 3 days in on pct, but that went away and no issues to date. Strength still same as on cycle, weight holding at 215(220 on cycle)........ what's the consensus?!?
Can't say for sure if this is topical or LV. I have a feeling it's topical.thanks for posting that bloodwork. Was hoping there would be more bloodwork available since one case doesn't really accurately represent it's effect for a population.
you guys know of any bloodwork anyone did using just the TRS with LV sustain. I believe that case was with the TD sustain.
Add in TCF-1, you should be good to go. Anything else would be redundant, afaik.im thinking of running my first ph cycle but i need some help with my pct. im truly trying to stay with OTC PCT and ive been reading up on trs, any advice?
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i think that's the one eric posted. if the bloods aren't available, no big deal. Thanks for checking though.Can't say for sure if this is topical or LV. I have a feeling it's topical.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/blood-test-results-sustain-alpha-toco-8-a-594158.html
There have been a lot of users that get bloods done. It's out there somewhere...i think that's the one eric posted. if the bloods aren't available, no big deal. Thanks for checking though.
You have to sign up to see the attachment. I don't want to sign up.Can't say for sure if this is topical or LV. I have a feeling it's topical.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/blood-test-results-sustain-alpha-toco-8-a-594158.html
I don't have access there (don't get me started), so hopefully one of the reps that does has access and can re-upload it here. You're better off not joining...You have to sign up to see the attachment. I don't want to sign up.
since im already taking a chance and doing a ph cycle i might as well go with a SERM. so im going with torem, ive seen people use lean and activate extreme...will this be good enough or should i remove or add something else?im thinking of running my first ph cycle but i need some help with my pct. im truly trying to stay with OTC PCT and ive been reading up on trs, any advice?
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I would add DAA personally, something like our TCF-1since im already taking a chance and doing a ph cycle i might as well go with a SERM. so im going with torem, ive seen people use lean and activate extreme...will this be good enough or should i remove or add something else?
DAA is a great addition to any PCT.I would add DAA personally, something like our TCF-1
Its caught on pretty fast and its only a matter of time imo for it to become part of standard pct.DAA is a great addition to any PCT.
TCF-1, EndoAmp Max, Phytotestosterone, any of those will work.since im already taking a chance and doing a ph cycle i might as well go with a SERM. so im going with torem, ive seen people use lean and activate extreme...will this be good enough or should i remove or add something else?
Start the TRS first day of PCT. Sustain Alpha apply after a shower, time doesn't matter as long as you stay consistent.Maybe someone can answer this...
So the TRS is to be started 1-2 weeks into PCT as suggested by many people ion this board. So I started my PCT today, 40mg nolva (doing 40/40/30/20/20/20/20 week 1, then 20/10/10 ED weeks 2-4). I'm starting TRS on day 8.
I see that Toco-8 has 60 servings, any reason not to start this right now? benefits/downsides?
I have been dosing EndoAmp ED for the past 2 weeks, and I have enough to last me for another 6-7 wks, so no worries there.
Lastly, the Sustain alpha, it says use for 5-days every week. Since I work out 5 days a week, should I use this immediately after working out? mornings? evening?
In addition to retaining gains, I really want my libido to kick in ASAP, since gf is moving in soon... ;-)
I dont know, maybe its the half-life of some compounds but for me id start pct as soon as my cycle was over. In fact I plan on using Tcf-1 a few days before my cycle ends. I noticed Tcf-1 takes a few days or longer to kick in.first day? I guess I'll start day 2... LOL
Why are people suggesting starting TRS on week 2? I'm confused now...