Test, Primo, Mast + TBOL & hgh

[JoeJohn]

Running a cycle after years of just TRT. I’m 41, 17% BF, 215 at 5’10”.

I’m running 200mg Test C (sides get me higher than that), 300mg primo, 300mg mast E & 2iu hgh. I also take 1mg Adex a week with a boatload of support supps. will include an oral for the last 6 weeks (anavar, epistane, or may pheraplex/superdrol to chase some PRs). I tried the 1st six weeks but got bunk TBOL that was obviously low dose dbol. I bloated up big time. I also learned a valuable lesson in that you always need an AI even when using primo and mast and in the event that you get Dbol instead of something dry.

Anyways, I plan to run this for 16 weeks. I typically do HIT training much like Yates. However, I’m ready to up the volume and increase the metabolism. I’ve gained well in the past using this style.

I’ve had a funny couple of weeks to start, and will post my first two weeks workouts. Note: I’ve hit legs but had a fluid issue that prevented good workout and will post the next one. Will update my progress as things worthwhile come up to post. I’ll post some pics in a couple of weeks

 

[JoeJohn]

Chest and Back

Super 1
Incline bench 2x10- 4 dots showing (4th at 1/2) and pinkies on groove.

1. 225-10-235-10-
2. 225-4-235-6-

Wide grip pull ups 2x10- progressive warmup with 2 sets of ball slams

1. BW-10-25-10
2. BW-5-25-6

Super 2
Bench press 2x10 (decline)

1. 225-5- (225-8)
2. 225-4-(225-6)

Barbell row 2x10 (t bar)

1. 225-5-(120-12)
2. 225-2-(170-10)

Super 3
Machine flys 2x12

1. X-100-15
2. X-130-15

Straight arm pull downs 2x12

1. X-80-15
2. X-100-13

Super 4
Dips to fail

1. X-50-8
2. X-50-6

Palms facing closish to fail
1. X-BW-6
2. X-BW-6
Push-ups AMRAP in 3 mins

1. 50-60

Normal 5

Straight Arm pullovers 2x15

1. X-35-20
2. X-35-20

Abs
Cable crunch 25 reps

1. X-X
2. X-X

Hanging leg raises to fail

1. x-10
2. X-8

Cable side raises
X-x-

1. X-x-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm
X-3.0@6% incline

 

[JoeJohn]

Arm Day

Smith and Dumb Super
Behind Neck Smith

1. 50-10-90-15
2. 70-15-90-15
3. 90-15-90-15

Lateral Raises

1. 20-10-15
2. 20-15-13-
3. 20-15-10

Bent Lateral Raises

1. 10-15-15-
2. 10-15-15-
3. 10-15-15-

Cable super 3 exercises

Face pulls- 3x15

1. X-30-15-
2. X-30-20-
3. X-30-

Side lateral machine

1. X-60-15-
2. X-60-15-
3. X-60-15-

Rev Lateral straight arm- 2x15

1. X-70-20
2. X-100-15-

Super
Dawson Smith

1. 90-10-90-10
2. 110-10-120-10
3. 150-10-160-11

Hammer

1. 35-10-10
2. 40-10-50-10
3. 50-8-55-8

Dumb super
Cheerleader Tricels
1. 35-10
2. 40-10
Zottman incline curls

1. 35-10
2. 40-8

Cable circuit of 6 exercises x3 rounds

Tri extensions

1. 135-13
2. 135-13
3. 135-13

Rev Tri

1. 40-13
2. 40-13
3. 40-13

Overhead

1. 70-10
2. 50-13
3. 40-13

Cable curl

1. 110-13
2. 110-13
3. 110-13

Rev cable

1. 60-10
2. 40-13
3. 40-7

Overhead curl

1. 60-7
2. 40-13
3. 40-6

Roman chair circuit

Crunch

1. 15
2. 15
3. 12

Side crunch each side

1. 12/12
2. 12/12
3. 12/12

Ball rev crunch

1. 10-
2. 10-
3. 10-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm-140

1. X-2.5@6% incline

 

[JoeJohn]

1 hour of BJJ. Knee is back and that water is gone thankfully. Had to take some time off and that had me sucking wind but I felt really good with my movements. Legs and open gym tomorrow.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Why primo and mast?

 

[JoeJohn]

Why primo and mast?

I need easy slow acting compounds that won’t disrupt my cardio or athleticism. Also to keep me in a good state of mind professionally/personally. Just a lot to consider and these two fit the bill.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I need easy slow acting compounds that won’t disrupt my cardio or athleticism. Also to keep me in a good state of mind professionally/personally. Just a lot to consider and these two fit the bill.

so you got mast enanthate then? Brvayse they do have mast prop. The reason I ask is because they're both dht derivatives that pretty much do the same thing

 

[JoeJohn]

so you got mast enanthate then? Brvayse they do have mast prop. The reason I ask is because they're both dht derivatives that pretty much do the same thing

Yes enanthate. Good call, I’ll update that. You’re right, they are both dht but I’ve found that they complement each other really well for some reason with me when taken together. Taken separately I don’t get the same feeling and results.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Yes enanthate. Good call, I’ll update that. You’re right, they are both dht but I’ve found that they complement each other really well for some reason with me when taken together. Taken separately I don’t get the same feeling and results.

Gotcha

 

[JoeJohn]

Legs workout today

everything is super set

Triple extension ball toss

1. 40x3-
2. 40x3

Box jumps from one platform to the next 24” to 30”

1. 3x5
2. 3x5

Samuari plyos to box

1. 30”-3-
2. 36”-3-
3. 42”-2-

Single Arm Snatch (x3 each arm)

1. 22-5
2. 32-3
3. 40-3

Smith Hip Extensions 2 sec hold

1. 180-10
2. 270-10
3. 320-10

KOT Sissy Squats

1. 1 red-plat-blue-10
2. Plat-blue-10
3. Blue-10

Zercher squats

1. 135-5
2. 185-5
3. 225-5

RDL

1. 135-10
2. 135-10
3. 135-10

KOT deep squats with hold each rep

1. 55-5+5 sec hold
2. 55-10+10 sec hold
3. 55-30 sec hold+30 sec BW hold

Cable pull throughs

1. 50-10-
2. 50-10-
3. 50-10

Standing machine calve raises with hold on bottom on each rep

1. 150-10+10 sec hold

Rev sprints 30 count

1. 20 count- level 6-7-8-9

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm-140

1. X-3@6% incline

 

[Smont]

so you got mast enanthate then? Brvayse they do have mast prop. The reason I ask is because they're both dht derivatives that pretty much do the same thing

Not op's situation but I know a lot of guys who use both together simply because they perfer primo but can't afford to run a gram so they use mast to fill up the remaining mg

 

[Mikereyn513]

Not op's situation but I know a lot of guys who use both together simply because they perfer primo but can't afford to run a gram so they use mast to fill up the remaining mg

That's actually a good idea kinda like doing half pharma gh and half generic if you want to push ius that high

 

[JoeJohn]

Sunday active recovery
Dynamic warmups
Isometric holds 15 secs each 90% max effort x 1 each little rest in between
Bench 3” above chest
Bench 6” above chest
Bench near lockout
Deadlift at shins
Deadlift at knees
Shoulder press 1” above bottom
25minute walk 6% incline and 3% walk
40 minute LED sauna

 

[JoeJohn]

Chest and back

no half Rep bullshit with everything under control

Super 1
Incline bench 2x10- 4 dots showing (4th at 1/2) and pinkies on groove.

1. 250-8-
2. 250-6-

Wide grip pull ups 2x10- progressive warmup with 2 sets of ball slams

1. 35-10
2. 35-7-

Super 2
Bench press 2x10 (lhammer bench- at 4 showing)*

1. (230-9)*-
2. (230-5)*

Barbell row 2x10 (t bar)

1. (105-12)
2. (140-10)

Super 3
Machine flys 2x12

1. 20-15
2. 30–10

Straight arm pull downs 2x12

1. 40-15
2. 50-12

Super 4
Dips to fail- wide

1. BW-15-
2. BW-12-

Palms facing closish to fail

1. 7-
2. 7-

Calisthenics
Push-ups AMRAP in 3 mins

1. 69-

Normal 5
Straight Arm pullovers 2x15

1. 40-15-
2. 40-15-

Abs
Cable crunch 25 reps

1. X
2. X

Hanging leg raises to fail

1. 12-
2. 8-

Cable side raises

1. X-
2. X-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm

1. X-3.0@6% incline

 

[Mikereyn513]

Dude all these training sessions seem legit!! Right on bro

 

[JoeJohn]

Dude all these training sessions seem legit!! Right on bro

Thanks brother! I’m looking for big progress in the next couple of months

 

[manifesto]

Following along. Have fun bro

 

[JoeJohn]

Following along. Have fun bro

Excellent, thanks brother!

 

[JoeJohn]

1 hour BJJ this morning. I felt good and my movements were there. Cardio isn’t suffering and I’m stronger. All good stuff

 

[JoeJohn]

Arm day

Tri set
Pulldown Cable curls

1. 100-10
2. 100-10
3. 115-12

Tri extensions

1. 150-10
2. 180-10
3. 195-10

Cable side raises

1. 20-12
2. 20-12
3. 20-12

Tri set 2
Two arm Dumbbell hammer curl

1. 40-12
2. 45-12
3. 52.5-9

Dawson smith tri extensions -pointer on the smooth

1. 90-10
2. 140-10
3. 160-10

Rev lateral dumbbells

1. 15-12
2. 20-10
3. 20-10

Incline dumbbell curl with twist

1. 25-10
2. 32.5-10
3. 32.5-

Concentration dumbbell kickbacks

1. 10-15-
2. 15–12-
3. 15-12

TRX face pulls

1. 10-
2. 10-
3. 10

Roman chair circuit
Crunch

1. 15
2. 15
3. 12

Side crunch each side

1. 12/12
2. 12/12
3. 12/12

Ball rev crunch

1. 10-
2. 10-
3. 10-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm-140

1. X-3@6% incline

 

[Mikereyn513]

What brand of primo are you running. Just name I'd the lab not the source.

 

[khall1974]

I think the hardest part for me this cycle is dialing in my e2. Never had a problem with Mast but primo has me perplexed. Cycle is almost over and will reevaluate next cycle.

 

[khall1974]

I would check your bloodwork cause you are taking both with 1mg of adex.

 

[JoeJohn]

What brand of primo are you running. Just name I'd the lab not the source.

Deligas

 

[Mikereyn513]

Deligas

I'm assuming you meant beligas? Right on ivr done there eq and there anadrol. Loved them both

 

[JoeJohn]

I would check your bloodwork cause you are taking both with 1mg of adex.

I was taking the Adex to help combat the bloat from the bs Dbol that I unknowingly took. You’re probably right, I can dial it back now that my estrogen is in a better place. Thankfully no low e2 sides currently though (sore joints, lethargic, brain fog).

 

[JoeJohn]

I'm assuming you meant beligas? Right on ivr done there eq and there anadrol. Loved them both

Yes sir, my mistake, that’s what I meant. That’s great to read. It’s been a good ride so far.

 

[khall1974]

I was taking the Adex to help combat the bloat from the bs Dbol that I unknowingly took. You’re probably right, I can dial it back now that my estrogen is in a better place. Thankfully no low e2 sides currently though (sore joints, lethargic, brain fog).

I didnt have low e2 signs either and the primo tanked it for. Everything felt fine

 

[JoeJohn]

I didnt have low e2 signs either and the primo tanked it for. Everything felt fine

Got it. Thanks bro

 

[JoeJohn]

What was your trt dose / protocol?

How did the cycle above treat you? Could you tell you were taking the HgH?

160mg test c weekly split into to two equal doses + 1mg Adex weekly. I’m really in the infancy of my cycle. It’s been nice so far. Sides I am dealing with is a little bit of sleepiness around 2pm likely due to hgh (I get another coffee when it’s really on). Other than that, all positives. Stronger, bigger, leaner, controllable aggression, look better (skin, hair etc), good sense of well being and sharper mentally. Moving in the right direction brother.
Yep, I feel hgh- deep sleep, better skin/hair etc, more vascular and better pumps. I think that it’s helping mentally and with well being too. Sides from hgh- I’m running a low dose but I get a little carpel and I get a little tired around 2. Easy to manage

 

[Mikereyn513]

160mg test c weekly split into to two equal doses + 1mg Adex weekly. I’m really in the infancy of my cycle. It’s been nice so far. Sides I am dealing with is a little bit of sleepiness around 2pm likely due to hgh (I get another coffee when it’s really on). Other than that, all positives. Stronger, bigger, leaner, controllable aggression, look better (skin, hair etc), good sense of well being and sharper mentally. Moving in the right direction brother.
Yep, I feel hgh- deep sleep, better skin/hair etc, more vascular and better pumps. I think that it’s helping mentally and with well being too. Sides from hgh- I’m running a low dose but I get a little carpel and I get a little tired around 2. Easy to manage

How much growth are you running? Generic or pharma?

 

[JoeJohn]

How much growth are you running? Generic or pharma?

2 iu of generic HGH a day prior to bed on an empty stomach.

 

[JoeJohn]

How long before you could feel the hgh

The sleep was the first night and every night since. Crazy deep sleep and dreams. I could feel it within a couple of weeks. Where I really start to notice all of the benefits of hgh is after a couple of months.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Are you running pharma grade or Chinese generic

He just said 2ius Chinese generic

 

[Mikereyn513]

The sleep was the first night and every night since. Crazy deep sleep and dreams. I could feel it within a couple of weeks. Where I really start to notice all of the benefits of hgh is after a couple of months.

First thing I notice is fast my hair grows and how thick it is especially facial hair

 

[JoeJohn]

1 hour No Gi BJJ today. Felt really good. Movements were there, flexible and improvements.

 

[gphagan1]

Following your ride man….sounds like it’s the start of a good cycle. That was a solid arm workout too.

 

[gphagan1]

I think 2 - 3 iu of good HGH is good with any cycle. You get the fat burning benefits, better, sleep, skin, hair, healing and usually hardly none of the sides you start to see in the higher doses. And I love Test with Mast or Primo, but throw that HGH in there, and that’s a sweet little cycle.

 

[JoeJohn]

Following your ride man….sounds like it’s the start of a good cycle. That was a solid arm workout too.

Thanks brother

 

[gphagan1]

I am pretty sure I know the answer but I’ll ask - does GH impact other hormones? Could It cause trt to get thrown off? Could it affect prolactin.

I was steady on the trt and added low dose GH (Chinese generic) and got a knot soon after under one of my nips.

My E never spiked.

It can affect Prolactin, but normally not at that
2-3 iu dose, for me anyway, but you can add SNS inhibit P or P5P from Now on Amazon, before starting and run throughout and it really helps with Prolactin. Anytime I’ve taken Trest I add it in about 2 weeks before starting, and I never had a need for Caber or Prami.

This is from PubMed……
During embryogenesis, the growth hormone-secreting cells (somatotrophs) and the prolactin-secreting cells (lactotrophs) develop in
secreting cells (lactotrophs) develop from a common progenitor cell (somatomammotroph).

So basically Growth Hormone and Prolactin cells start, develop, and basically function from the same area in the Patuitary gland, not a Doctor, so don’t quote me, but basically they believe that’s the foundation of how Growth affects Prolactin. But we know from experience, that a lot of guys it doesn’t seem to cause issues, unless high doses….As far as I know I’ve never had issues, but I also have never checked Prolactin while on HGH…sorry rambling now.
I’m sure if you take P5P you shouldn’t have problems on the low doses, and still get the good benefits of Growth.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Was the bunk tbol from beligas as well?

 

[JoeJohn]

Was the bunk tbol from beligas as well?

It wasn’t, it was gym labs. A lesson learned. I’m looking at ultima TBOL right now to run it the last six weeks. Any experience with ultima?

 

[JoeJohn]

Legs

Super
Triple extension ball toss

1. 40x3-
2. 40x3-

Box jumps from one platform to the next 24” to 30”

1. 3x5
2. 3x5

Super
Samuari plyos to box

1. 24”-3-
2. 35”-3-
3. 42”-1

Single Arm Snatch (x3 each arm)

1. 32-3
2. 32-3
3. 40-3

Super
Smith Hip Extensions 2 sec hold

1. 180-10
2. 270-10
3. 320-10

KOT Sissy Squats

1. 1 red-plat-blue-10
2. Plat-blue-10
3. Blue-10

Super
Zercher squats -4 dot from bottom

1. 135-5
2. 225-5
3. 275-5

RDL

1. 135-10
2. 135-10
3. 135-10

Super
Cable KOT deep squats

1. 100-10
2. 150-10
3. 200-10

Cable pull throughs

1. 50-10-
2. 50-10-
3. 50-10

Normal
Leg press calve raises

1. 180-20
2. 360-20
3. 450-6 with 20 count hold on the bottom of each rep

Rev sprints 30 count

1. 20 count- level 6.5-7.5-8.5-9.5

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm-140

1. X-3@6% incline

 

[Mikereyn513]

It wasn’t, it was gym labs. A lesson learned. I’m looking at ultima TBOL right now to run it the last six weeks. Any experience with ultima?

Not personally but I've heard good things. I usually stick with geneza or dragon. Obviously beligas is good as well. If you stick with known ugl's that have been around a while you are usually good. They have a reputation to uphold so they're not going to blow it by saving a few $

 

[JoeJohn]

Not personally but I've heard good things. I usually stick with geneza or dragon. Obviously beligas is good as well. If you stick with known ugl's that have been around a while you are usually good. They have a reputation to uphold so they're not going to blow it by saving a few $

Good intel, thanks brother

 

[JoeJohn]

1 hour BJJ today. A little sluggish but moved pretty good overall.

 

[JoeJohn]

Chest & Back

Super 1
Incline bench 2x10- 4 dots showing (4th at 1/2) and pinkies on groove. Progressive warmup- 135-5-185-3-225-2- WO super set with 5 ball slams.

1. 265-6
2. 265-5

Wide grip pull ups 2x10

1. 45-10
2. 45-8

Super 2
Bench press 2x10 (decline)(hammer bench- at 4 showing)*

1. (230-10)*
2. (230-8)*

Barbell row 2x10 (t bar)

1. (140-10)
2. (140-10)

Super 3
Machine flys 2x12

1. 30-12
2. 30–12

Straight arm pull downs 2x12

1. 50-15
2. 50-15

Super 4
Dips to fail

1. BW-20
2. BW-15

Palms facing closish to fail

1. 10-
2. 7-

Normal 5
Straight Arm pullovers 2x15

1. 30-20
2. 30-20

Abs
Cable crunch 25 reps

1. X
2. X

Hanging leg raises to fail

1. 12-
2. 12

Cable side raises

1. X-
2. X-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm

1. X-3.0@6% incline

 

[Mikereyn513]

Chest & Back

Super 1
Incline bench 2x10- 4 dots showing (4th at 1/2) and pinkies on groove. Progressive warmup- 135-5-185-3-225-2- WO super set with 5 ball slams.

1. 265-6
2. 265-5

Wide grip pull ups 2x10

1. 45-10
2. 45-8

Super 2
Bench press 2x10 (decline)(hammer bench- at 4 showing)*

1. (230-10)*
2. (230-8)*

Barbell row 2x10 (t bar)

1. (140-10)
2. (140-10)

Super 3
Machine flys 2x12

1. 30-12
2. 30–12

Straight arm pull downs 2x12

1. 50-15
2. 50-15

Super 4
Dips to fail

1. BW-20
2. BW-15

Palms facing closish to fail

1. 10-
2. 7-

Normal 5
Straight Arm pullovers 2x15

1. 30-20
2. 30-20

Abs
Cable crunch 25 reps

1. X
2. X

Hanging leg raises to fail

1. 12-
2. 12

Cable side raises

1. X-
2. X-

Cardio 20 mins 130bpm

1. X-3.0@6% incline

Getting strong bro

 

[Mikereyn513]

How you liking the primo? It's one of the few I haven't ran

 

[JoeJohn]

Getting strong bro

Thanks brother! It’s tough to pin down just primo. However, the combo of everything at the doses assigned has got me feeling great, thinking clear, BF is going down, weight is going up, improving athleticism and getting stronger. Primo is certainly contributing to the fun with zero sides.