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Sweet potatos are KING! As for the pinning if I remember my research right spread your hand out. Place your pinky above your kneecap your thumb should be halfway up your quads. Now move your thumb to the outside of your leg and the middle of that quad muscle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
 
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That sounds about right. I personally go up even further on ny leg than that - about another 1-2" higher up than where my thumb rests....
 
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That sounds about right. I personally go up even further on ny leg than that - about another 1-2" higher up than where my thumb rests....
That sounds right I guess it could depend on your development/mass of your quads too so take that into consideration....
 
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That sounds right I guess it could depend on your development/mass of your quads too so take that into consideration....
What size needle? I'd assume 1" right? Is there any chance I can get away with using a 1/2" needle? Thanks
 
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I would personally go with 1 inch but I'm sure you could do 1/2. My logic would be to get the test deeper in the muscle tissue. Anyone else have thoughts?
 
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Day 15

Weight- 189.2

Workout- Leg Shaping / Lower back

Straight Leg Deadlift - 225 x 8 (3 sets)
Standard Deadlift 225 x 10 (3 sets)
Leg Extensions - 80lbs each leg x 12 (4 sets)
Leg Curls - 80lbs x 12 each leg (4 sets)
Calves on smith machine - 60lbs x 30 (6 sets)
Hip Abductors/Adductors - 190lbs x 20 (4 sets)
Obliques


I was reading up on quad injections and it seems like a lot of people compain about hitting nerves. Any of you guys ever have problems injecting there?
 
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Day 15

Weight- 189.2

Workout- Leg Shaping / Lower back

Straight Leg Deadlift - 225 x 8 (3 sets)
Standard Deadlift 225 x 10 (3 sets)
Leg Extensions - 80lbs each leg x 12 (4 sets)
Leg Curls - 80lbs x 12 each leg (4 sets)
Calves on smith machine - 60lbs x 30 (6 sets)
Hip Abductors/Adductors - 190lbs x 20 (4 sets)
Obliques


I was reading up on quad injections and it seems like a lot of people compain about hitting nerves. Any of you guys ever have problems injecting there?
I haven't hit a nerve myself...
 
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Day 16

Weight- 188.8

Workout - Delts, Lats, Traps

Lat pull downs: standard grip 80lbs x 12 (3 sets) , wide handles 70lbs x 10 (3 sets), close grip handles 80lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Standing BB military press 95lbs x 10 (5 sets)
Inner grip BB shrugs 225lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Standard grip BB shrugs 225lbs x 12 (1 set), 315lbs x 10 (2 sets)
Seated DB lat raises 25lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Seated DB front raises 35lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Stiff arm lat pull downs 35lbs x 12 (4 sets)
 
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Good workout man. Keep killing it!! I'm sure you are but get lots of rest. Wouldn't want you to overtrain.... not saying you are.. just looking out. Keep smashing iron!!!!
 
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Day 19

Weight 194.8


Workout- Chest/Upper back
BB Bench- 225 x 7 , 225 x 5 , 155 x 20
Single Arm DB rows - 90lbs x 6 (3 sets)
Incline DB Press - 55lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Bent BB rows - 95lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Decline Pushups x 15 (3 sets)
Pec Deck - 185 x 8 (3 sets)
HS High Rows- 90lbs x 12 (3 sets)
Cable Flys- 35lbs each arm x 6 (3 sets)

I'm definitely turning heads at the gym
:laugh:. I pinned again today in my right delt. I've decided that I'm going to start pinning in my quads Monday so my delts can heal.
 
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Day 20


Weight- 191

My weight is so random. I weigh myself first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I think it's just gotta be the effect that test has on me. Whenever I'm on test sometimes it makes me feel like my body is on fire.
 
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Day 22

Weight- 194

Workout - Arms/Abs/Leg Shaping

BB curls
Close Grip Bench
Skull Crushers
Incline Db Curls
V Handle Press Downs
HS tricep extensions
Reverse grip Ez Bar curls
Dips
Abs

Leg Extensions
Leg Curls
Abduction/Adduction Machine
Smith Machine Calf raises

This week is pyramid week. Basically what the means is I start with easy weight and work my way up until I can't do 10 reps. Then I go all the way back down and that's a full set. I only do 1 set for each lift because I do all the reps back to back with no rest. I love it because it gives me a great pump and solid workout. Next week I'm back to heavy weight low reps.

Also this is week 4 of beast and I was debating on just extending it to 6 weeks (20mg a day).
 
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Yeah I'd say so. I'm getting a lot of compliments from friends too.
I've stopped getting compliments. I just get drawn out stares now, lol. I've moved over from the "man he's in good shape" to the "it's obvious" club.
 
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I've stopped getting compliments. I just get drawn out stares now, lol. I've moved over from the "man he's in good shape" to the "it's obvious" club.
They're just haters bro, they can't get f*cking swole like u!
 
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I've stopped getting compliments. I just get drawn out stares now, lol. I've moved over from the "man he's in good shape" to the "it's obvious" club.
Yeah I'm pretty sure people know I'm on gear too. I've had multiple people come up to me saying I've definitely gotten bigger. I honestly can't tell though lol.

Also I'm not home right now so I'll make sure to update today's workout/weight later before bed.
 
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Keep going at this rate you might be 205-210. Keep it up bro!
 
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Day 23

Weight - 193

Workout- Delts/Lats/Traps
Standing Military BB press
Inner Grip Shrugs
Wide Grip Shrugs
Seated DB Lat Raises
Lat pull downs (1 set wide, 1 set close grip)
DB Shrugs
BB Front Raises



Day 24

Weight 193

Workout- None


My libido has definitely hit the roof lol. Big girls looking better every day haha. I appreciate all the support guys. To be honest I'm struggling a bit with my diet but with all the support it makes me want to just keep pushing. Thanks!
 
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Whats up with diet bro? Keep it up just think how rewarding shredded 200-205 will be! Keep that protein high and smash some calories!
 
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Whats up with diet bro? Keep it up just think how rewarding shredded 200-205 will be! Keep that protein high and smash some calories!

My diet is solid but it's getting kinda old. I find myself cheating 1-2 times a week. Once I'm off beast though I need to buckle down so i can starting trimming fat off.
 
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Just make sure when you start winny you've got all the cheating out of your system. That's when you'll rip up and get that hard look.
 
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I have found it really depends on what you cheat with. There is a huge difference in a fast food chicken sandwich and 3 slices of cake. I cheat 1 time a week and maybe 2 but rarely. Just make sure its a good cheat and I'm not smashing a bunch of sweets or tons of fat.

You can always check out new recipes and substitute some new snacks/meals in for the ones that are old. Like fish with chicken for example or salmon to tilapia... you get the point.

Keel it up man. It gets easier over time just remember that end goal.
 
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I have found it really depends on what you cheat with. There is a huge difference in a fast food chicken sandwich and 3 slices of cake. I cheat 1 time a week and maybe 2 but rarely. Just make sure its a good cheat and I'm not smashing a bunch of sweets or tons of fat.

You can always check out new recipes and substitute some new snacks/meals in for the ones that are old. Like fish with chicken for example or salmon to tilapia... you get the point.

Keel it up man. It gets easier over time just remember that end goal.
Yeah your right bro. The cheating isn't bad as long as its not something crazy and still has high quality protein like a few steakburgers. I cheat twice a week when I'm cutting even for competitions, it doesn't harm me at all. Just don't go crazy with empty calories, and do what DangerDave said, start looking up new recipes.
 
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Day 25

Weight- 195

Workout- Chest/Upperback and Legs

Incline BB Press
HS high Row
Flat BB bench press
Bent BB rows
Reverse Grip Bench press
Pendalay rows
Flyes
Seated Cable rows - 1 wide , 1 close grip

Back Squats
Close Stance Leg Press
Leg press calf raises
Seated Calf Raises
Back Extensions
Abs



Day 26

Weight - 194

Workout- None


Day 27

Weight- 195

Workout- None


 
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Dam bro, you are almost up 10 pounds already in a month, doing great work! Keep it up, makes me want to do this cycle right now. I might just go get a job just so I can afford to get a cycle. Definitely interested in injectables, I love needles!
 
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Dam bro, you are almost up 10 pounds already in a month, doing great work! Keep it up, makes me want to do this cycle right now. I might just go get a job just so I can afford to get a cycle. Definitely interested in injectables, I love needles!

Thanks man. I actually started at 178 though so I've almost gained 20 pounds. I'm hoping to weigh up at 205-210ish before I'm down with Beast. After that it's just straight cutting. I had a fear of needles before starting but now it's completely gone. Definately gonna start using "Real gear" more often lol.
 
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Oh snap, I should of paid attention, I read every page at once and just went off of your weight under the avatar. Ha should of known that's not right, mine isn't :p
 
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Day 28

Weight 194

Workout - Arms and Abs

DB curls 45lbs x 6 (each arm) 4 sets
V Handle pushdowns 152 x 15 4 sets
BB Curls 85lbs x 6 (4 sets)
Weighted dips 45lbs x 20 (1 set) x 15 (1 set) x 12 (2 sets)
DB Hammer curls 50lbs x 6 each arm (4 sets)
Pushdowns with rope 35lbs x 15 (4 sets)


Day 29

Weight 195

Workout - Heavy Lower back, leg shaping and obliques

Standard Dead Lift 295lbs x 6 (2 sets) 275lbs x 6 (2 sets) 225lbs x 10 (1 set)
Leg Extensions 150lbs x 6 each leg (5 sets)
Leg Curls 120lbs x 6 each leg (5 sets)
Smith Machine calf raises 155lbs x 20 (5 sets)
Wood chops 35lbs x 15 (6 sets)
Oblique crunches on hyper extension 25lbs x 20 each side (4 sets)

I've noticed my weight keeps going back and forth. I think I'm not eating enough so I'm gonna step it up so i can hopefully make it to 200-205 before beast is over. Problem is sometimes I'm not very hungry so i guess I'll have to force myself to eat lol. Also I've been very busy lately so I'll probably start logging 2 days at a time.

 
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Great read so far! Gets me real excited for the coming years!
 
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Well your SD is almost over but what I found to help me out a lot was eating gobs of cereal. Ha, it was unnatural, I'd eat an entire box for breakfast
 
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Well your SD is almost over but what I found to help me out a lot was eating gobs of cereal. Ha, it was unnatural, I'd eat an entire box for breakfast
Haha yeah I might try that. When I was a lot smaller i used to eat a loaf of bread a day lol. It definitely put weight on me!
 
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Try Kashi cereal if you can handle the terrible gas, lol. It has 9g protein in one serving if you get the GoLean Kashi cereal. Loads of fiber, too but I warned you fairly that the gas from this stuff is outta control.
 
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Combat the gas with some GasX or Beano and win win lol. I also had this other cereal it was like oats/granola/fruit but didn't come in large enough bags. One bag was like an extra....extra large bowl, but still just one bowl. Sorry, i'm in a mood right now, ****er at the gym closed an hour early cause he wanted to go
 
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Combat the gas with some GasX or Beano and win win lol. I also had this other cereal it was like oats/granola/fruit but didn't come in large enough bags. One bag was like an extra....extra large bowl, but still just one bowl. Sorry, i'm in a mood right now, ****er at the gym closed an hour early cause he wanted to go
Gas-X didn't even begin to combat the problem for me lol. Mylanta was a little better but still not satisfactory. I just had to stop eating the stuff it was so bad. Granted, not many people eat 2 full cups of cereal with at least 12oz of milk...it was a 600 calorie meal actually.
 
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Sorry for the lack of updates I've been really busy lately. I'll post a huge update after I get back from the classic.
 
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Day 34

Weight- 201lbs!!!!! FINALLY broke 200!

Workout- Chest
Bench press 225x 13 , 225 x 10 , 225 x 10 , 135 x 20
Incline Bench 225 x 8 , 225 x 6 , 155 x 12 , 135 x 15
DB Flat bench - 90lbs x 6 (3 sets)
Pec Deck - 200lbs x 6 , 175 x 8, 125 x 15 (2 sets)
Decline push ups on half sided circle x 12 (3 sets)
DB Flys 50lbs x 6 (3 sets)
Decline bench press on machine 80lbs each side x 8 (3 sets)


This is my last week of Beast. I absolutely LOVE the strength and size from beast. Will definitely be using it again. Only downfall of beast I'd say is it irritates my stomach a bit and the calve pumps are insane. Also up until this point so far I've only injected in delts. I know it's bad but delts are so easy and I don't know much about injecting in my quads. I looked it up and I kinda know where to inject but I'm just really nervous about trying something new.


 
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Nice work bro. I'm going into week 3 on beast and its amazing. Getting stoopid pumps in the gym and my strength is getting freaky. Keep it up man. The test should be glorious!
 
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Day 36

Weight- 201.4

The questions keep coming at the gym lol. People been asking me what I'm on and why my face is so bloated. I give them the simple "Oh it's the creatine bruh! " answer haha. My winstrol should be here in the next few days. I'm excited to start cutting!

 
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Starting my 2nd week on Con-Cret. Starting to feel full and good hard pumps at gym. May try the Beast next to see which one I get more out of. Heard good stuff on both.
 
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Starting my 2nd week on Con-Cret. Starting to feel full and good hard pumps at gym. May try the Beast next to see which one I get more out of. Heard good stuff on both.
Uhh Con-Cret is creatine and Beast is Superdrol, no comparison at all bro. Have u ever ran a cycle?
 
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Starting my 2nd week on Con-Cret. Starting to feel full and good hard pumps at gym. May try the Beast next to see which one I get more out of. Heard good stuff on both.
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*continue infinitely cause my fingers are too tired to keep going*

I so hope you are trolling
 
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Cycle of what Dr. Stri8ed? Haven't tried creatine since the 90's and thought I'd give the new stuff a shot. Have heard good things about beast and didn't really know the compounds where totally dif. So thanks for that info cause I hadn't really researched it at all yet.
 
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Lol you crack me up superfly. Let me spell it out for you. Creatine is creatine *it's found in steaks*, and Beastdrol is a Superdrol clone - superdrol one of the harshest strongest pro hormones *steroid* out right now.

I hope that lets you know why we are all ****ting our pants laughing at the moment
 
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AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*continue infinitely cause my fingers are too tired to keep going*

I so hope you are trolling
Glad I could amuse you! Lol Really hadn't researched Beast yet. Any constructive criticism would be helpful tho. Just trying to gain knowledge and reach my goals. If I say something wrong on here you're more than welcome to advise or correct. Thanks
 
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Unreal's Guide to Superdrol

Superdrol (SD) is also known as methasteron, because it's the 17aa methylated form of the injectable steroid masteron (aka drostanolone). Methylation drastically alters the characteristics of a steroid so SD doesn't have much in common with masteron outside of the fact that it doesn't aromatize. This stuff was originally produced by Designer Supplements, later by Anabolic Xtreme before it got banned. Since being banned, it's surfaced in a few dozen clones (most of them containing either an "S" or a "drol" somewhere in the name). Superdrol is remarkable in that it is one of the cheapest and most potent of the so-called "prohormones" and definitely the most replicated. I should make it clear right now that Superdrol is not a prohormone, there is no conversion, it is a fully active methylated oral steroid.
Wiki article: Methasterone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Effects of Superdrol

Superdrol is a good "bulking" oral, it creates rapid gains in weight and strength starting in the first week. I'm commonly up 10 pounds in 10 days with SD and the same results are pretty common during the first week and a half or so. This is a result of rapid uptake of water and glycogen into your muscles. Recall that glycogen is the "fuel" for your muscles during a workout, so obviously one benefit of this is much greater strength and endurance during your workouts. The added water and glycogen will literally swell the muscles up, producing a fuller look and a much harder feel. The full muscles help to push out veins and increase vascularity as well.

Strength gains generally start in the second week. The way I have come to see it is that your first workout on Superdrol has baseline strength, and then in the next week your muscular "healing" is greatly enhanced, so the next time it gets hit, strength is up. For many users it's common to add around 10 pounds to your bench every week. It is also important to note that the recovery period while on SD is generally much reduced; in the heart of an SD cycle I hardly notice DOMS and I can increase training frequency and continue to make outstanding gains.

The anabolic environment created by Superdrol is excellent, so not only can incredible gains in size and strength be facilitated, but also it can work as an anti-catabolic agent during a cut or recomp. As Superdrol doesn't aromatize into estrogen, "bloat" shouldn't be an observed side effect; it is supposed to be "dry" and promote a hard look, certainly desirable when cutting. I have found in my own experience that SD can cause bloat if carb intake is high enough, but I think that is due to my own response to carbohydrates (I can't tolerate much without gaining fat). Many users report that SD requires a high carbohydrate intake because its actions to produce greater glycogen stores in the muscles mean lower blood sugar levels. Obviously for these people, SD may not be the best choice during a cut. Nonetheless, for some users the nutrient partitioning effects are so great that carbohydrate intake can be greatly elevated without fat gain becoming a problem.

Side Effects of Superdrol

Backpumps: this is common with many users and is generally more pronounced with SD than other oral steroids. Back pumps can be avoided by staying well hydrated, and supplementing your diet with potassium and by taking Taurine (approx. 3-5g) pre-workout (or everyday if you want to be safe).

Cholesterol: bloodwork frequently demonstrates that SD has a severe negative impact on lipids. HDL (good cholesterol) usually plummets and LDL (bad cholesterol) usually skyrockets. Be sure to get plenty of Omega 3 fatty acids. The popular cholesterol aids used in cycle support supplements are RYR (red yeast rice) and CoQ10.

Lethargy: as mentioned above, SD may have the effect of lower blood sugar levels on some users. This should first be tackled by increasing carb intake, if this doesn't work then supplementation with DHEA or plain old stimulants may be necessary. This is a side effect that generally limits the duration of SD to 3 weeks in more sensitive users.

Blood pressure: very common side effect for steroids! Hawthorne berries baby... Note that if you have headaches, this is probably attributable to a BP increase. If you are prone to BP increases, it is recommended to preload hawthorn berries for at least 2 weeks pre-cycle.

Libido: some people get an increased libido from SD, others get their libido destroyed by it. For myself, it seems largely unaffected. Often, I read of users noticing a boost at first, followed by a plummet towards the end of the cycle.

Dehydration: drink a lot of water on SD. It usually makes me extremely thirsty, especially during the first week when as the concentration of active SD rises and water loading occurs. Never allow yourself to be thirsty, always drink a lot of water. Remember, hydration will help with backpumps!

Gyno: Superdrol should not cause gyno on cycle. It cannot aromatize to estrogen so that is out. And contrary to popular believe, Superdrol is NOT a progestin-based compound and it has no interaction with progesterone or prolactin to the best of my knowledge. I am personally susceptible to estrogen-induced gyno and the so-called "progestin"-gyno and SD alone does not cause the least bit of any type of gyno for me. I think that clones of SD that produce gyno during a solo cycle are improperly formualted clones that can't be trusted.

Delayed-gyno: Delayed gyno is caused by an estrogen rebound and this is pretty common on compounds that cannot convert to estrogen themselves. On a SD cycle, the presence of SD will cause suppression of endogenous testosterone production, meaning low test on cycle; in turn, less test can aromatize into estrogen, and estrogen levels are low as well.

During post-cycle, as test levels return, estrogen can return in a "rebounding" spike that can cause gyno. This seems more common when an AI is used for PCT as this keeps estrogen levels suppressed even longer; when the AI is removed, estrogen levels spike up dramatically and cause gyno.

Reduced Appetite: Some users mention this and I am not sure if this falls into the same category of on-cycle gyno (i.e. a result of improperly formulated Superdrol). This is also a symptom of a taxed liver. See liver toxicity.

Liver toxicity: as with other methylated oral steroids, SD hits your liver. Basically you deal with this by not running Superdrol for more than about a month! Do not run longer unless you are getting bloodwork done on cycle and know what you are doing!
Be aware of the symptoms of your liver being overworked: reduced appetite or premature feeling of fullness, dull pain in abdominal region, pale stool, bruising easily, yellowing of skin/eyes.


How To Run Superdrol

Straight Cycle
First time SD users should generally start at 10mg. This is done for several reasons A) to assess sides and response to the compound B) to go through your bottle sparingly and C) because the water/glycogen loading phase doesn't need a huge dose of SD. Even on 10mg you should feel better muscle hardness and pump within the first week (and you should have gained some water/glycogen pounds). When you are comfortable with what you are feeling you can bump up the dose to 20mg.

20mg is generally the sweet spot with the compound. For the most sensitive users it is too much and produces bad backpumps and lethargy... For you lightweights, stick to 10. For users like myself, I could run 20mg forever. During the 2nd and 3rd week you should make excellent gains in size and strength.

Taking the dose to 30mg is generally not necessary. For the majority of users, this causes side effects to increase moreso than gains. Personally, I felt like it was difficult to perceive the change in gains, but the suppression at 30mg became more apparent. If you are not making good gains on 20mg, then you need to seriously consider how good your diet and training is before moving to 30mg. Also consider that I DO think some SD clones out there are improperly formulated and may be weak; if your gains on 20mg suck, this may be the case. If side effects aren't a problem then go ahead with 30mg, but I generally feel that the 30+ range is only for users that A) have a higher tolerance for steroids and/or B) are wellll over 200 pounds.

However you decide to run the cycle, restrict the duration to no more than 30 days. If you are doing 30mg most of the time, I wouldn't even recommend this; if you are one of those smart, patient users who is riding out 10mg, I would say the ceiling can be stretched a little, but don't try to push your luck too hard.

Pulsed Cycle (Read Dr. D's guide, "How to Pulse Orals")

Superdrol is an ideal compound for pulsing because it's strong and has a short half life (~6 hours). Recall that pulsing is meant to extend cycle duration by dosing only 3-4x a week, in doing so, shutdown and sides are greatly mitigated. I feel that pulsing with SD 3x a week with DC training is probably one of the best ways to use it.

With a pulsed cycle, the dose should be 20-30mg, as a pulse should use a slightly higher than normal dose. 10mg pre-workout and 10 post-workout or 20 pre-workout and 10 post-workout. You should start at 10, see if you feel it, move to 20, gauge the strength, and run most of the cycle at 20-30. I would personally lean towards 30mg 3x a week or 20mg 4x a week. This should depend on YOUR response though!

Pulsing allows the duration to be extended. This is very nice with Superdrol because the faster gains come, the more difficult they are to keep, because your body takes time to adjust to maintaining more mass. Therefore I feel pulsed cycles result in a better retention of gains. 6 weeks should work very well here.

Bridging & Alternatives
Because SD elicits such rapid gains, a major problem is that they are difficult to keep. One workaround for this problem is to use Superdrol at the start of a longer cycle. For instance, using it to kickstart an injectable cycle. An example of that would look like:

Test Enanthate 500mg for 12 weeks, Superdrol ~20-30mg for the first 4 weeks. As soon as the SD ends, the test kicks in, and allows you to take a few months to capitalize on the already-impressive gains you have made.
Similarly, SD can be used to kickstart other oral cycles. I feel the best way to do this is to bridge into a less harsh oral steroid (Epi, "tren" or Pheraplex). An example of this would look like:

SD 10/20/20
Epi 00/00/30/40/40/40
This is a 6 week cycle that has SD for the first 3 weeks, where Epi begins on week 3 and continues for weeks 4/5/6. This allows big gains to be made initially and then a 3 week period for the gains to be hardened up and strength increased even further (even if bodyweight doesn't increase much more, that is not the point, the point is to retain more gains in the end by giving your body sufficient time to become "used" to them.

Since SD is so potent, it is always employed FIRST in any such bridge, as you want the majority of the gains to be made as early as possible so your body has more time to adapt to them. If rapid gains are made at the very end of a cycle, they will disappear easier.

Obviously these are about as harsh as you would ever want to go with oral cycling but I feel these are some of the best methods to extract keepable gains from oral cycles.

However you decide to run your Superdrol, it is important to keep in mind that your calories should scale with your weight. For instance, if you start a SD cycle at 200 pounds and 3800 cals, and by the 4th week you are at 215 pounds, then your calories during the 4th week should be (215/200)*3800 = 4085. Most users do not do this and so they say the gains from Superdrol stop during the 4th week. I feel this is probably a major reason why 3 week cycles with SD became so popular. But I feel 3 weekers are stupid, it's not enough time to make much REAL gains.


PCT after Superdrol

SERMs: always use a SERM starting the day after you stop dosing SD (or whichever oral steroid you're ending with in a bridge). Nolva, clomid and toremifene are the popular choices. Having tried all 3 I personally prefer clomid and I feel it is the fastest for restoring natural testosterone production and that is the most important aspect for retaining gains in PCT. I feel nolva is better employed for estrogen control. However they work differently for everyone and nolva protocols (usually 40/40/20/20 or 20/20/20/20) are very common and successful.
Dosing on clomid varies depending on who you ask, I am a fan of dosing 100+mg for the first couple days and then tapering down to 50mg for the rest of the 28 day PCT period; some people are susceptible to the emotional sides of clomid and do not bother with doses that high, but run 50mg for 4 weeks. Both methods work! I always dose SERMs before going to sleep, as estrogenic activity is reported to be highest while you sleep.

AIs: I have never incorporated an AI into my PCT but they can be used in conjunction with a SERM, they just need to be used strategically. For instance I think it is important that an AI be tapered down so as to reduce any estrogen rebound effect.

Extras: I think the gains made from SD are usually hard to keep and the more extras you can throw into PCT, the better. Some people love running cortisol blockers, some people run their cycle support supplements through PCT, some people like to throw in creatine as soon as their PCT starts, some people use Resveratrol or 6-bromo based testosterone boosters during or after their PCT. I think "more is better" is appropriate to a certain extent, in the end it becomes personal choice.
To be honest, my PCT's are usually very light. A SERM + something random and extra. Most supplements don't work great for me... That's why I'm in the steroid section here...

Keeping Gains: the most important thing for keeping gains in PCT is to keep on the diet and training and try not to get demotivated when you see strength dry up. You WILL lose strength when you come off of SD and you WILL lose weight. If you don't lose any weight at all, you can be sure that you're holding a lot of water or adding fat. Keep the training up, and NEVER lower your calories during PCT, that is the surest way to lose everything you just worked for. Currently, my approach is to use solid doses of clomid to raise natural test as quickly as possible, keep cals the same as on cycle, and keep plugging away at the same routine/same exercises as on cycle. This may not work for everyone but I seem to do better at keeping strength if i keep doing the same exercises. If i see a lift decreasing in PCT and decide to switch it out, I will tend to find that the lift has suffered greatly when I come back to it.



Personal Endnote:
Stay safe and have fun! But, do not use steroids if you are new to working out, if you aren't fully physically mature (usually this means being over 21, especially if you want to post here!) and most importantly, if your diet and training suck. It takes a long time not just lifting weights but "bodybuilding" and by that I mean livin' the life of a bodybuilder (6 meals a day, counting calories, writing down your workouts, having specific goals, running bulks and cuts and breaking through PRs) before you are ready.
Lastly if your stats are something like 6'1 170 lbs or comparable, WORK ON YOUR DIET before you use Superdrol! I've seen a million of you guys crying about being hardgainers but everybody gains when they get enough calories, REALIZE IT, and make it happen. You're a champion if you can just believe in yourself.
Delayed gyno is caused by an estrogen rebound and this is pretty common on compounds that cannot convert to estrogen themselves. On a SD cycle, the presence of SD will cause suppression of endogenous testosterone production, meaning low test on cycle; in turn, less test can aromatize into estrogen, and estrogen levels are low as well.
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