Nice Box Squat PR, Lou.
Thanks man, its 50lbs from my raw squat PR, about right.Nice Box Squat PR, Lou.
What do you mean? Is your box squat supposed to be about that much lower from your raw squat? If so, I don't think I have a 455lb raw squat yet by any means. It might be only +5-10lbs higher than my box squat. Where do you think the discrepancy comes from?Thanks man, its 50lbs from my raw squat PR, about right.
Well westside says that ones max box squat is about 70% of their meet squat, but they train in gear and I do not. But both me and my gym partners box squat is about 50lbs less then out raw squat. Your raw squat should not be that close to ur box squat. That means you train your box squat to much and your not getting carry over. Id have a good 50/50 mix of raw and box squats since the form is also slightly different. You may be groove squating too.What do you mean? Is your box squat supposed to be about that much lower from your raw squat? If so, I don't think I have a 455lb raw squat yet by any means. It might be only +5-10lbs higher than my box squat. Where do you think the discrepancy comes from?
EDIT: to clarify, I've always known and understand why box squats are harder than regular squats ... it's the same reason pause pressing/floor pressing is harder than bench pressing. The dead stop releases tension built up in the muscle, and you don't get the extra power from the stretch reflex (is that what it's called? it's been a while) to help you push more weight.
I think I do train box squat too much. I've pretty much done that movement almost exclusively since I had so many problems drilling the motor pattern into my muscles. Now I can actually do a full squat with pretty good form for most of the set (and achieving full depth is no problem anymore by any means), but I guess as you said without having trained it for all this time I dont get much carryover. Thanks for bringing that up.Well westside says that ones max box squat is about 70% of their meet squat, but they train in gear and I do not. But both me and my gym partners box squat is about 50lbs less then out raw squat. Your raw squat should not be that close to ur box squat. That means you train your box squat to much and your not getting carry over. Id have a good 50/50 mix of raw and box squats since the form is also slightly different. You may be groove squating too.
Of course man, unless you squat in gear the box squat should not make up all your squating.I think I do train box squat too much. I've pretty much done that movement almost exclusively since I had so many problems drilling the motor pattern into my muscles. Now I can actually do a full squat with pretty good form for most of the set (and achieving full depth is no problem anymore by any means), but I guess as you said without having trained it for all this time I dont get much carryover. Thanks for bringing that up.
Thanks man, Ive really been setting my mind right and listening to my body. I coulda swore you pulled a 495 not long ago on deads no? Also my GPP and conditioning load has dropped quite a bit prob allowing for the PRs to set in. Ive also been training with a conjugate method but insted of switching the lift every week im doing it every 3 weeks as dave tate says beginners should do. When I stop hitting PRs every week for 3 weeks I will move to a 2 week rotation then 1 week.You're setting PR's at a damn good clip. I've only set 3 the past 6 weeks: 415x1 on squat, 250x5 on bench, and 455 traditional deads.
495 is my PR on sumo, but they take a major toll on my hips and can't do them often.Thanks man, Ive really been setting my mind right and listening to my body. I coulda swore you pulled a 495 not long ago on deads no? Also my GPP and conditioning load has dropped quite a bit prob allowing for the PRs to set in. Ive also been training with a conjugate method but insted of switching the lift every week im doing it every 3 weeks as dave tate says beginners should do. When I stop hitting PRs every week for 3 weeks I will move to a 2 week rotation then 1 week.
going to attempt 600 if they have a deadlift bar im told they bend more...
Oh see my PR with sumo is 365 but I dont have good form yet. And my PR conventional is 501. Im working with my sumo deadlift right now. I got very good at exploading with conventional and getting everything behind the bar that I cant pull properly until about 275-315 bc the bar comes off the ground before I pull.495 is my PR on sumo, but they take a major toll on my hips and can't do them often.
they will, they are called comp bars afterall. So it a standard between meets. If you pull 600 I wanna see it for sure since you weight close to me.sup sweetlou.. thats a growing squat # you got there..
im following, silently....
btw im going to start posting in my log again.. lol im so inconsistant... im going to a USAPL meet in may in PA... bench/dead comp...
going to attempt 600 if they have a deadlift bar im told they bend more...
Thanks man, im only 21 and im just starting to hit my groove lately. My technique keeps getting better and better. Not to mention Im eating like a pig. Im about 210 right now.Glad you're having a really good training season, Lou. Keep up the PRs!
They do. It's because they're longer, so the further the weight is the more stress is felt by the bar in the middle.
Ever considered gear or pulling in briefs?495 is my PR on sumo, but they take a major toll on my hips and can't do them often.
I've considered briefs, but haven't looked into them too extensively.Ever considered gear or pulling in briefs?
Well I will be trying sumo in my next deadlift cycle, and depending on how my hips feel I will be trying it in my single ply titan superior with straps down. I plan on moving over to gear sooner or later and love to squat in it, very nice twist.I've considered briefs, but haven't looked into them too extensively.
Once I learn how to use youtube I got a vid of me pulling sumo Id like you to comment on. I have no idea how to pull so Id appriciate it.I've considered briefs, but haven't looked into them too extensively.
It's hard to give too much based off of the angle, but lower the bar on squats. When you unrack it, you lose all of your arch.Squat
Sumo pull
Idk how to embed so if anyone knows please explain. Also how do you set up for a sumo pull? How far away from the bar ect?
Will do, what angles would you like next time? Ill be taking vids from now on so whatever angles are best ill move my phone or get my partner to take em when hes there. Also how do you get your hip when pulling sumo? Ill just get more vids hahaIt's hard to give too much based off of the angle, but lower the bar on squats. When you unrack it, you lose all of your arch.
Either directly from the side or in front.Will do, what angles would you like next time? Ill be taking vids from now on so whatever angles are best ill move my phone or get my partner to take em when hes there. Also how do you get your hip when pulling sumo? Ill just get more vids haha
Acutally just saw that video last night, so I now understand how to do it better. Do you set your legs up so they are 90 degress at the knees or wider? Brian schwab that many guys set up to wide and lose their natural mechanical advantages.Either directly from the side or in front.
My setup on sumos is:
Position feet/shins about 1/2" away from the bar
Descend into postion like a squat (e.g. flare knees, arch lumbar)
Take big air
Reach down for bar to lower myself the last 2-3"
One thing to remember is that you should not be able to see the bar when you're about to pull. As Tate says, imagine you're trying to drop your nutsack on the bar as you're getting into position.
My knees are at 90 doing a sumo pull. My shins are in line with the ring on the knurling.Acutally just saw that video last night, so I now understand how to do it better. Do you set your legs up so they are 90 degress at the knees or wider? Brian schwab that many guys set up to wide and lose their natural mechanical advantages.
Also what do you mean I lost my arch when I unrack to squat? Care to share a vid of how it should look unracking. I had read that to unrack you should fire the glutes and that causes me to stand all the way up. Ive been doing this for awhile so id like to see what I should be doing. Thanks again. Ill get some side/front shots next week.
Got it, my partner went over that exact set up with me today. I now understand.My knees are at 90 doing a sumo pull. My shins are in line with the ring on the knurling.
Regarding the unrack, ideally you are able to unrack it without losing the arch. I set the bar at about chest height and then really dig my traps into the bar and my knees are still bent. When I straighten my legs, the bar is clear, but my arch is still tight and I start to walk back.
What are you doing? Rack pulls or pulling off blocks/implements? At any rate, it's awesome if you're doing either of those and not being able to do it with teh same weight you deadlift with. That would mean you found a real weak spot to work on.Notes: Couldnt get my form right for high pulls, I must do something when I pull off the floor that allows me to carry the weight to lockout that I cant mimic on a high pull.
It was off blocks. I dont see this as a weak point since its main function is to overload the top. Yet I can pull well over 50lbs more off the floor. I just couldnt get set up right.What are you doing? Rack pulls or pulling off blocks/implements? At any rate, it's awesome if you're doing either of those and not being able to do it with teh same weight you deadlift with. That would mean you found a real weak spot to work on.
No drama, thank you.So this is sweetlou aye? mmkay. Well....... crush it
Oh I see, understood. A lot of people have different opinions on how to set up for those. I personally like to set up using the same form I would have if I had deadlifted from the floor and am at the height the bar is at. This is in contrast with setting up by approaching the bar, sitting back, and leveraging it from a "fully" seated position, which is a position you'd never be in if you had deadlifted off of the floor. Does that make sense?It was off blocks. I dont see this as a weak point since its main function is to overload the top. Yet I can pull well over 50lbs more off the floor. I just couldnt get set up right.
No drama? I said crush it.No drama, thank you.
Yes that makes sense, but Idk how that would carry over to my pull if ill be in a position id never be in if pulling off the floor. Maybe thats the point tho?Oh I see, understood. A lot of people have different opinions on how to set up for those. I personally like to set up using the same form I would have if I had deadlifted from the floor and am at the height the bar is at. This is in contrast with setting up by approaching the bar, sitting back, and leveraging it from a "fully" seated position, which is a position you'd never be in if you had deadlifted off of the floor. Does that make sense?
Just making sure, and thanks manNo drama? I said crush it.
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