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Just trying to be discreet, but it is not your ass on the line its mine.

So its cool. When you do want to buy an inexpensive version of the beloved H then you know where to find us.

As for being adventurous haven't we all been?
 
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This isn't horseshoes or hand-grenades. Close doesn't cut it. There is no "to the best of our ability" when designing complex molecules which work because they are precisely designed to effect androgen receptors in specific ways.

They have synthesized a compound. They know what it is. They don't want to say, I don't want to buy. :run: It's a personal preference. I'm not out to make trouble for people who are a little more adventurous with their health.
Good God.

I agree close dosn't cut it. But...
He is most likely NOT the person to actually SYNTHESIZE the molecule.

That would be some dude in China.

To the best of his ability, would be to give the structure to the Chinese lab then let them get to that molecule.
Hopefully, they purify well enough and have the proper potency.

That's why we have CoA's. If it doesn't come out to the correct specs - then screw it.

IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT FOR ANY OTHER OF THIS TYPE OF SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!

You think Gaspari went and made it himself?

Ha.

Remember when there was no Lean Xtreme??
Designer said that they couldn't find a lab that could make the proper product.
DS didn't make the molecule to put in the capsules themselves.
Prometabolix isn't doing it either.

Got it?
 
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Good God.

I agree close dosn't cut it. But...
He is most likely NOT the person to actually SYNTHESIZE the molecule.

That would be some dude in China.

To the best of his ability, would be to give the structure to the Chinese lab then let them get to that molecule.
Hopefully, they purify well enough and have the proper potency.

That's why we have CoA's. If it doesn't come out to the correct specs - then screw it.

IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT FOR ANY OTHER OF THIS TYPE OF SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!

You think Gaspari went and made it himself?

Ha.

Remember when there was no Lean Xtreme??
Designer said that they couldn't find a lab that could make the proper product.
DS didn't make the molecule to put in the capsules themselves.
Prometabolix isn't doing it either.

Got it?
well said :clap2:
 
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Agreed. Should this be called PMax rather than HMax?
I was not referring to phera, I was referring to promag when i said "P".

People need to get off of yeahright's back. I had the same questions as he did. Why was the chem formula for promag on the site rather than Halo? He simply wanted to know which it was, and wasn't getting a clear answer.

It's going to be a H clone. Good...now we know. We also know that there will be a lab report COA which should have the chemical compound listed and its purity.

Everyone's happy.
 

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Nobody even knows what was in the first batch of halodrol. There was never a third party analysis done to my knowledge. I bought my 5 bottles of H-max. These guys sound legit but have alot to lose the more info they give out.
 

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Not to stir the pot, but I hope you guys know that COAs from China are hardly trustworthy. Third party testing is all you can trust, and even those have been faked...not saying holmes would do that at all, just pointing out some facts.
 

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Don't know if anybody cares, but BK originally listed the active of H-50 as the exact same formula as Hmaxx. Go to the Halodrol health warning on BB.com and look it up for yourselves.
 

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yes, we know that, but where do you think all this stuff was made...China.

We're not going to sell something that does not work period.

What would be the point, mess up my livelihood , lose business, lose customers etc...Doesn't sound good to me.

That is why we are getting another COA . We gots to know, besides we paid for it already better be done right, of course I will have to try it first.

I will be more hyooger than all you.J/K
 
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caveat empeator, or something like that right...carpe deim. no fear no pain no brain...
 
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Little off topic but carpe diem is sieze the day, roughly....
 
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I think Rhino was merely throwing out all the Lating phrases he knew - whether or not they made sense is behind the scope. :whip:

Prom - if you need an independent lab to test the stuff - I can give you a name.
 
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Whaaaa?

You mean all this pissing and moaning was for naught?

Say it ain't so!!
 

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Well in this post he is saying otherwise.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=8197902&postcount=27


Pro Magnon 25 by PPL is 25mg per cap of this -

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3,17b-diol


Halodrol-50 by GN is 50mg per tab of this -

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol


This is like comparing test to dbol. The PPL product is the 4-halogenated precursor to 4-chloro-methyltestosterone while the GN product is the 4-halogenated precursor to Oral Turinabol.

You are comparing apples and oranges here.

I know the owners of both PPL and GN personally. Both people are great guys and very honest but both are separate companies that have nothing to do with each other.

Both products are quite effective in their own way but they will cause substantially different types of effects. The PPL product is more androgenic than the GN product. The GN product is has a higher A:A ratio. Neither will aromatize to estrogen due to the 4-halogen. Both probably have intrinsic active properties before conversion to the "active hormone" being 3,17b-diols (despite not having the requisite 3-ketone to bind to the AR optimally).

Both are very good products but they are absolutely NOT the same compound and anyone telling you differently is lying to defraud you or just can't read and made an honest mistake.

I hope this clears things up.


BK
 

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Does any one have a lab analysis of the first two batches of halodrol? A real one. Not one done by a gaspari competitor.
 
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Death - doubfull.
Unless we can get someone like Klaus to test it or if someone wants to send a tab to SRCS or another lab that does tests for hormone molecules.

Kellner was supposed to have it tested. Then, he got busted.

Edit - paging our good chemist Klaus!!!!
 

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Death - doubfull.
Unless we can get someone like Klaus to test it or if someone wants to send a tab to SRCS or another lab that does tests for hormone molecules.

Kellner was supposed to have it tested. Then, he got busted.

Edit - paging our good chemist Klaus!!!!
I find it hard to belive no one had halodrol tested. Maybe they just dont want us to know the results.
 
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I don't.
It's like $100 for the test (for a single hormone molecule) plus shipping.

I doubt there is some sort of conspiracy, but who knows.

We could consider raising money to send a few tabs of H-50 over to have tested.
 

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I don't.
It's like $100 for the test (for a single hormone molecule) plus shipping.

I doubt there is some sort of conspiracy, but who knows.

We could consider raising money to send a few tabs of H-50 over to have tested.
You are telling me these big supplement companies dont have 100 bucks. Come on. Well if you want to get a pool together i am in.
 
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All we need is 10 people to drop $10.

I'd definitely do it.
 
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The place most people seem to use is SRCS.
Here is some info from OSBB:

To Whom It May Concern:

Assay of steroidal components usually falls into the regular HPLC analysis
billing, which is $100.00 USD per sample. We must know the SPECIFIC
compound the sample is to analyzed for to achieve accurate test results.

However, any steroidal or pro-hormone substance that has no available
standard, such as one of the new THP ether's, the price is a minimum of
$150.00 USD for identification by LC/MS per component.

Also, if the standard for your sample is very expensive, such as
4-hydroxytestosterone, you will also be charged for all costs involved in
obtaining the standard.

As for protein-based hormones, such as somatotropin or HGH, we are unable to
analyze these at this time.

Single component steroidal compounds (oxymetholone, testosterone and its
various esters, boldenone undecylenate, etc.) are regular analyses, and
assay is $100.00 USD per sample. Blended compounds with two components are
$170.00 USD and those with four components, such as Sustanon or Omnadren are
$250.00 USD per sample.

In addition, you are required to submit guaranteed payment (i.e.
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I'm gonna email the guy about testing Halodrol.

BUT, I think this may not have a standard. I remember Kellner saying originally that it didn't, but that he was working on it.
We all know BK got busted, so there may not be.

I'll let you know what SRCS has to say.
 

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Which batch of Halodrol will we be testing?
 

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I'll pay for another test why not.

All we have is the original chem name he gave and what he did to it to go by.

there really is no standard for such a newly created product that didn't test right according to the post a while back anyways.

So yeah why not . Another test on the second batch and the first also would be invaluable.

I know when we had a test done on it , it didnt resemble the chem structure in the forum posts nor on the box but it seemed to get the job done (as far as it working)
 
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I sent an email - haven't heard anything back.

I'm not sure I'm up for organizing this. What with my TST/TRN log and all the other annoying sh*t.
 
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Haven't started, yet.

You gonna do TMaxx???? ;)
 

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nah. this may be it for me.
maybe a PCT type product or just some cheap ATD.

that may be the extent of it
 
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:rofl:

It's a Methoxy TST knock-off. I've heard that MuscleTech is gonna make it.
So that they actually have a product that works.
 
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Prom - you've got a PM about ordering stuff.
 

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I sent an email - haven't heard anything back.

I'm not sure I'm up for organizing this. What with my TST/TRN log and all the other annoying sh*t.

So what is the vertict. Do we have enough people for this test.
 

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Tmax would probably sell pretty well considering that it's being discontinued.. And I'm pretty sure there wouldn't really be much of an issue with Bioscience since they aren't making it anymore (hint hint nudge nudge!).
 

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you want me to get locked up don't you.

it may happen. why not?
be like 1fast's generic superdrol. Just list the chem and thats it.

no label, nada.

that would be nuts.
 
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Prom, just put in my order for some H-Max... thanks for carrying this stuff .. and the prices are incredible also..:twisted:
 
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Prom - I get some free stuff if you end up making a killing on TMaxx (and I'm pretty sure you would).

I mean, I did suggest that you make it and even give it a name.

:woohoo:
 

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