lolmy response is to your comments above in fuschia:
lolmy response is to your comments above in fuschia:
I think this might be a possibility with extended use. Nobody knows...no bloodwork to prove in anyone's favor.Ok, now this worries me. Are you saying that a natural plant extract can cause LH desensitization like HCG?
Once references are posted claims are still outlandish, you are difficult to please.PowerFull mildly enhances and should be left at that. I've used Pfull inbetween cycles and what do you know after 3 weeks of use...I didn't feel jack off of it. Bloodwork before and at least a month after use is going to have to be made available before I believe the outlandish claims on the USPlabs site.
I love the guy on the Anabolic Pump FAQ that went from about 25% bodyfat to a dry 6% while gaining a lot of lean mass all while "staying natural" on a Anabolic pump supplementation. Did I mention he did it in 7 weeks. Ha :think:
at what points in the cycle do you plan to get bloodwork?heeh
ok i am willing to do some bloodwork before and after.
im repeating almost the same cycle i did last year. superdrol and PP and i have full results for that including test and estrogen.
im repeating it with AP throughout and powerfull last week and during post cycle therapy this time.
im just working out some details with my MD so i can shove these tests on the insurance. dont feel like paying $150.
hopefully this will pass over them 2 years in a row
The foundation of your refrences are animal studies.Once references are posted claims are still outlandish, you are difficult to please.
The guy was a former Natural Bodybuilder who let his physique get out of hand. In his return, his diet was perfect and muscle memory played a huge role, but AP did significantly speed the process. He could of returned to that shape in 14 weeks without AP.
ITs hard to please steroid users with natural supplements.
Ive said this a few times.The foundation of your refrences are animal studies.
Why not put all rumors to rest and fund bloodwork for highly reputable board-members that are unbiased and are willing to run Pfull for a month without a plethora of other supplements in conjuction. Show the world that your claims aren't outlandish. I know you don't lack the funds, and I'm sure people would love to see this thing have hard scientific proof backing its supposed claims.
ok first was one day after the last day of cycle. second one was day 8 of PCT. last one was 24 hours after last day of pct.at what points in the cycle do you plan to get bloodwork?
and for the record, i think bloodwork of this type (measuring T and E2 during a cycle or even during post cycle therapy) is virtually worthless when it comes to testing any of the theories heretofore mentioned about Pfull's MOA and possible suppression.
ok first was one day after the last day of cycle. second one was day 8 of post cycle therapy. last one was 24 hours after last day of post cycle therapy.
i think these timings pretty much show what my body was going through during the cycle and post cycle therapy.
and why do u think itll be worthless?
lets say i repeat the above adding in powerfull last week of cycle and throughout post cycle therapy.
lets say it affects me the same.
i.e. i feel better, bette renergy and mood.
would u say thats worthless info pertaining to the product?
what if the test results are a bit better?
i know if i saw that ill always include powerfull and advise other to.
what exactly is worthless about the above? USPLabs claims may not be quantified exactly but im sure if the above happens they will be further substantiated.
oh wel..
take care :yawn:
Is there a reason you have 3 usernames?The foundation of your refrences are animal studies.
Why not put all rumors to rest and fund bloodwork for highly reputable board-members that are unbiased and are willing to run Pfull for a month without a plethora of other supplements in conjuction. Show the world that your claims aren't outlandish. I know you don't lack the funds, and I'm sure people would love to see this thing have hard scientific proof backing its supposed claims.
Yea!! :dance:Is there a reason you have 3 usernames?
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Going over your posts, even the deleted ones I've come to a conclusion. You whine about EVERYTHING and you certainly love Jacob.
Troll somewhere else please.
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Going over your posts, even the deleted ones I've come to a conclusion. You whine about EVERYTHING and you certainly love Jacob.
Troll somewhere else please.
Bobo. Another one from the old avant days, along with dsade and a few others I have seen. I rarely posted but have lurked a long time and have become a fan of sorts. :head:Is there a reason you have 3 usernames?
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Going over your posts, even the deleted ones I've come to a conclusion. You whine about EVERYTHING and you certainly love Jacob.
Troll somewhere else please.
This is Jacob's company, his work, and his life. It is as if someone were to question your child's ability in something. If you have children, you would respond vehemently, as you know your child can do what you have said. I respond this way because I have a level of detachment which allows me to. In keeping with the child analogy, I am merely the Uncle, or lost cousinBobo -
Look at how mulletsoldier interacts and responds, then look at how USPlabs does. I see a stark contrast.
I found USP labs by forum messengers, specifically Nandi (RIP) over at AL. I am just used to companies being challenged and responding like mulletsoldier, not putting the burden of proof on the consumer.
Anyway, I am out. I prefer lurking :thumbsup:
Mullet, you are abolsutely right in your assesment, but I think the point is that this comes off unprofessional.This is Jacob's company, his work, and his life. It is as if someone were to question your child's ability in something
I'm not sure if you have followed the complete "questioning" process.Mullet, you are abolsutely right in your assesment, but I think the point is that this comes off unprofessional.
If you own a supplement company and are passionate about it (protect it like your child), you still cannot allow yourself to get defensive/annoyed by your customers. Especially customers who openly support your business, but seek clarification (like the majority of this thread). This is the case in virtually any profession.
In my opinion, USP Labs gets way too defensive......QUICKLY!
Just my opinion (and Jacob will probably respond to this post with "then don't buy it" - haha).
I have followed the whole thing. I completely understand why people question you (you make really bold statements), and I do not understand why you get defensive.I'm not sure if you have followed the complete "questioning" process.
Jacob will probably respond to this post with "then don't buy it"
hahahahahaha.....fantastic.The simpliest smartest conclusion is do not purchase the supplement.
I'm a consumer oriented company please do not lose that fact. USPlabs has grown PRIMARILY because we treat each consumer with the utmost respect and innovating supplements that surpass expectations.I have followed the whole thing. I completely understand why people question you (you make really bold statements), and I do not understand why you get defensive.
I LIKE USP LABS PRODUCTS.....just do not agree with the marketing or your attitude with customers who question.
hahahahahaha.....fantastic.
Snicker laced powerFULL comming soon!Did someone mention Snickers?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/45582-whats-your-favorite.html?highlight=Poll+natural+anabolicI have followed the whole thing. I completely understand why people question you (you make really bold statements), and I do not understand why you get defensive.
I LIKE USP LABS PRODUCTS.....just do not agree with the marketing or your attitude with customers who question.
hahahahahaha.....fantastic.
Basically he is speaking of my Nun Chuck skillsI'm not an expert sales person or a versed marketing guru. I'm learning skills and beginning to recruit skills into my company. There is only 1 reason why I'm able to recruit (employ) skills and that's because I have a great products.
take care
Not to mention that diet has be be constant so that singles you out already...:duel:Poison: Thanks for the vote of confidence but unfortunately it really isn't that easy. For one, to be legit we would have to be off of anything else that may interfere with the results which would be hard this time of year when people are usually working for the spring/summer look(read: already on several supps). Another issue would be cost and goals. Bobo probably has to foot his own insurance and probably Crowler as well. I have mine through my job but even with that if it isn't doc specifically ordered it comes out of pocket.
Plus, while you may believe our results, there will be others that say Bobo is doing it for his business and i'm doing it for free product and Crowler is doing it for his love triangle fetishes with Jacob and Dsade.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/45582-whats-your-favorite.html?highlight=Poll+natural+anabolic
Is the above not credible? Before I developed supplements, I consumed supplements and believe it or not before the invention of internet forums. I am a firm believer that Consumer feedback sales much more supplements. This is the exact reason that I use logs and testimonials as a primary form of advertising, and the vivo research is just iceing on the cake.
He said credible, not proof.Sure, people sleep better, and feel 'something' while on. Many love it.
You call this proof that it raises test and HGH like 3iu?
OK.
Bobo probably has to foot his own insurance
Totally agree.On AM, PowerFULL has been reviewed by many respected members.
We will never see eye-to-eye on the marketing side of it (I prefer to underhype and over-deliver), but I will say, in ANY profession, do not get defensive with your customers. It does not come across like "pride for the company", it comes off as "insecure" (and you have no reason to be insecure).I'm not an expert sales person or a versed marketing guru. I'm learning skills and beginning to recruit skills into my company. There is only 1 reason why I'm able to recruit (employ) skills and that's because I have a great products.
I am not Poison, but I do know what 3iu's of GH feel like, and though I like Powerfull, it is not the same (not close).Poison do you know what 3iu's of GH feels like?
Bobo, I have seen you get into 3 page arguments over the GI of a particular carb (not an insult, I love your insight), but you mock people questioning a natural supp that states it is the equivalent of 3iu's of GH? I realize they are a sponsor of the board, but I am surprised you do not at least appreciate the reasons behind the skepticism.I assume given a couple years everyone will hate everyone because of the six degrees of seperation between Jacob and USP.
That's because GH tends to STAY in the system for MUCH longer. That doesnt mean certain supplements can raise GH, especially basal levels, to a higher level for a shorter period of time.I am not Poison, but I do know what 3iu's of GH feel like, and though I like Powerfull, it is not the same (not close).
Stating they are a sponsor of this board and insinuating that I am protecting them because they pay me is walking a fine line of saying my opinions are bought. I suggest you rethink that strategy considering I have gone against them MYSELF on this very board.Bobo, I have seen you get into 3 page arguments over the GI of a particular carb (not an insult, I love your insight), but you mock people questioning a natural supp that states it is the equivalent of 3iu's of GH? I realize they are a sponsor of the board, but I am surprised you do not at least appreciate the reasons behind the skepticism.
YOU aren't debating anything anymore. You are making statements about what you like about the company.In fact, even people that love USP Labs (I really like 2 of their products) should like this thread....it is debating the science and mechanisms of the product.
Did not mean to imply that, but I can see I wrote it poorly. My point was the main contributers in this post (not the couple of guys who are just haters) were questioning things like I have seen you do in the past. It was a great thread. I am not sure why you then seemed to mock them.Stating they are a sponsor of this board and insinuating that I am protecting them because they pay me is walking a fine line of saying my opinions are bought. I suggest you rethink that strategy considering I have gone against them MYSELF on this very board.
Again, my point was not calling out your ethics, but to point out that people are questioning science....something you do very well. I thought you would embrace that.And you are right I do get into arguements about carb sources, especially ones sold on this site. So who am I protecting now?
I never debated anything in this thread, but I did appreciate the debate others were having. I was just making a point. To me it is all connected. If USP simply eased up on the hype, they wouldn't be held to such scrutiny.YOU aren't debating anything anymore. You are making statements about what you like about the company.
I understand they cannot do a double blind study.....THEN DON'T MAKE OUTLANDISH CLAIMS. That was my point.And I'm not debating the science either because I already know the answers. USPLabs is doing what every supplement company out there does, extrapolate studies and base a conclusion off of scientific questions that CAN'T be answered because double blind placebo controlled studies aren't funded for bodybuilders.
Instead of "don't buy it", why not "try to learn about the company/product and try to make eductated decisions about what you are putting in your body".Don't buy it, but I hope you hold those same standards to every company out there or is it just selective because people don't like him getting defensive about accusations about his company.
out·land·ishI understand they cannot do a double blind study.....THEN DON'T MAKE OUTLANDISH CLAIMS. That was my point.
Once again, its not the science you are criticizing, its the public relations aspect. His forum is not for criticizing his character or how he runs his business.Instead of "don't buy it", why not "try to learn about the company/product and try to make educated decisions about what you are putting in your body".
To me, that is what this board is about.
What is more "freakishly strange"? Saying.....Whether you think it proof or not is subjective but saying they are outlandish and have no basis is quite "outlandish".
This thread talked about quite a bit things, and I am not the one who brought up the marketing tactics.Once again, its not the science you are criticizing, its the public relations aspect. His forum is not for criticizing his character or how he runs his business.
Fair enough. I guess I was mistaken.I never mocked anyone who questioned the scientific aspect.
the 221% increase in GH seen in the study was due to 500mg of pharmaceutical L-dopa, not PowerFull. there is certainly a difference (but i have no idea what the difference is, given that i dont know anything about Powerfull besides that it contains some amount of extracted MP)I'm a consumer oriented company please do not lose that fact. USPlabs has grown PRIMARILY because we treat each consumer with the utmost respect and innovating supplements that surpass expectations.
The 223% and 3iu claim is backed by VIVO research so call it bold or outlandish but its real. You may call it phantom but read the references and it comes to life or better yet try it for yourself, or just to muse, do not try it.:lol: